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cowboy1964
02-04-2013, 11:47
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/04/ron-paul-account-tweets-shock-message-about-former-seal-snipers-death/

Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword."

Classy, Ron, classy. Neville Chamberlain had nothing on you when it comes to being a pacifist.

ancient_serpent
02-04-2013, 11:56
If legitimate, then Mr. Paul is a very crass person and I look forward to the day he no longer represents any Americans in politics.

Black&TAN
02-04-2013, 12:05
There are a few folks roaming around this forum with extra buttholes due to similar comments...

At a minimum it's extremely disrespectful, and Mr. Paul would be worthy of no less criticism for such inconsiderate words regarding most recent tragic events.

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JBnTX
02-04-2013, 12:09
What do you expect from a man who thinks that America is the cause of most of the world's problems.

Shame on Ron Paul for his comment about Chris Kyle....:steamed:

I'm convinced that Ron Paul's supporters are an even split between potheads just wanting drugs legalized, and government hating anarchists who want no restrictions on their perverted behavior.

Thank God the American people didn't fall for Ron Paul's BS.

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poikilotrm
02-04-2013, 12:11
Until it is proven a truth, I call it a hoax.

Sharkey
02-04-2013, 12:14
No surprise really. He isn't for any of our troops to be anywhere but here in the US. Yeah, that IS disrespectful.
Some serve with honor and others have no clue what that word means.

CAcop
02-04-2013, 12:46
He is an old crank.

TrybalRage
02-04-2013, 12:46
This doesn't sound like something Paul would say.

It's sad that someone who truly believes in small government, letting you keep your own money, is a vocal supporter of the 2nd amendment, would get so much hate on a pro-gun forum.

I doubt Dr. Paul runs his own twitter, I'll reserve judgement to see if anything else is said.

ancient_serpent
02-04-2013, 12:57
Just went on Twitter and saw it, looked like his official account. I'm no twitter expert though.

Bren
02-04-2013, 13:04
The one reason I can never be a member if the libertarian party is their cowardly and pacifistic (and simple-minded) attitude toward national defense and the military.

JBnTX
02-04-2013, 13:13
The one reason I can never be a member if the libertarian party is their cowardly and pacifistic (and simple-minded) attitude toward national defense and the military.

That was a deal breaker for me too.
Isolationism is the wrong thing to do in a world full of evil.

barbedwiresmile
02-04-2013, 13:24
I find it amusing that so many statists are butt-hurt by this. As if a saint were insulted, an altar desecrated. I know you guys workship these types, but c'mon.

JBnTX
02-04-2013, 13:29
I find it amusing that so many statists are butt-hurt by this. As if a saint were insulted, an altar desecrated. I know you guys workship these types, but c'mon.

Ron Paul's statement just confirms what I've been saying about him for the last year.

It comes as no surprise.

Seriously?
02-04-2013, 13:31
Good for Ron Paul. The glorification of war and the military of late is more than a little sickening.

Sharkey
02-04-2013, 13:45
Good for Ron Paul. The glorification of war and the military of late is more than a little sickening.

John Kerry?

Yeah a decorated veteran being murdered while helping another vet with PTSD is glorifying war?

Sharkey
02-04-2013, 13:47
I find it amusing that so many statists are butt-hurt by this. As if a saint were insulted, an altar desecrated. I know you guys workship these types, but c'mon.

Are you sure of the definition of statists? You probably weren't too upset with Ft Hood too right? Good to know you find it amusing.

JBnTX
02-04-2013, 13:52
Good for Ron Paul. The glorification of war and the military of late is more than a little sickening.

Nobody is glorifying war!...:steamed:

Standing up against evil and fighting to preserve freedom and democracy is NOT glorifying war.

What do you have against the military?

JohnnyReb
02-04-2013, 13:56
Does anyone think the old man runs his own twitter account?

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Seriously?
02-04-2013, 14:13
Is the massive bragging about the "160 kills" not glorifying war?

JBnTX
02-04-2013, 14:33
Is the massive bragging about the "160 kills" not glorifying war?

There is no "massive bragging", just a statement of fact concerning Chris Kyle's military record.

He killed the enemies of this country who, if still alive, would be a direct threat to the lives of American military personnel, and they just might have participated in a future 911 attack on American citizens.

It's not so much how many people he killed, but more importantly how many lives he saved by killing those Taliban/al-Qaeda demons.

You should quit this while you're ahead, because you're wading in hot water.

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barbedwiresmile
02-04-2013, 14:51
Nobody is glorifying war!...:steamed:

Standing up against evil and fighting to preserve freedom and democracy is NOT glorifying war.

What do you have against the military?


"democracy".... that's a good one. LMAO :rofl:

Forward, Amerikans!

Black&TAN
02-04-2013, 14:54
You should quit this while you're ahead, because you're wading in hot water.
That's what I was thinking...

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Kablam
02-04-2013, 15:05
Does anyone think the old man runs his own twitter account?

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Probably not...like his newsletter. :whistling:

The Fed
02-04-2013, 15:06
good for ron paul. The glorification of war and the military of late is more than a little sickening.

Troll! The people who called me a troll - THIS is what a real troll looks like. I accept your apology.

JBnTX
02-04-2013, 15:07
"democracy".... that's a good one. LMAO :rofl:

Forward, Amerikans!

That's a terrible thing to say about a country that's the number one leader in the fight against Islamic aggression.

The United States is the biggest obstacle in the path of the Muslims ruling the world. That is their stated goal, and that's why they hate us so much.

Chris Kyle was a front line warrior in that battle, and he deserves respect.

Sharkey
02-04-2013, 15:19
Is the massive bragging about the "160 kills" not glorifying war?

Well, let us just go with your line of thinking even though it isn't correct because: He didn't do the bragging, most heroes don't. The proceeds of his book went to charity and as someone explained, his actions actually saved many of our soldiers.

All that to say what does the # of his kills have to do with what happened on a range in Erath Co.? Show me how helping a fellow brother in arms over PTSD is anything but selfless.

Also, how are most of us here even statists? As I said, I think you have a very poor definition of that word. All this kinda tells me that you are talking out you ** and you are about as moronic as the progressives who try to push their own agenda after a tragedy.

LASTRESORT20
02-04-2013, 15:33
~ "Ron, this is why you will never be President."
"He who puts down his sword ... gets his head cut off" ~

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080124012025/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/1/1b/CrazyRonPaul.jpg/250px-CrazyRonPaul.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5RVwTqpooVM/TxjUbqAV7TI/AAAAAAAADug/XBSg6_boH24/s1600/Ron-Paul.jpg

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002345667/5136607667_RageboyforRonPaul_xlarge.jpeg

snerd
02-04-2013, 15:33
That's a terrible thing to say about a country that's the number one leader in the fight against Islamic aggression.

The United States is the biggest obstacle in the path of the Muslims ruling the world. That is their stated goal, and that's why they hate us so much.........
Good lord, man. You're laying it on a little thick, aren't you? Mom, apple pie and baseball too?

Seriously?
02-04-2013, 15:36
"Islamic aggression."

LOL!

countrygun
02-04-2013, 15:38
Is the massive bragging about the "160 kills" not glorifying war?

OMG, he volunteered to serve his Country, he did an outstanding job and then he had the nerve to come home and abuse the First Amendment by talking about it. How horrible. How dare he use the First Amendment to say something that some people don't like.

We should have no hero's in this Country unless they always carry cute little kittens in their arms at all times.

jakebrake
02-04-2013, 15:40
wonder which one this retread used to be.

EOS
02-04-2013, 15:54
I not judging Dr. Paul because I seriously doubt he is the one sending out these tweets, as I think their are very few people in their 70's using twitter.


What's funny, is seeing all the Neoconservatives come out and say that America is the only thing standing in the way of worldwide Muslim domination. When we have over 200 foriegn military installations around the globe. We spend more money on the military than Obama does on his welfare state, you guys are as fanatical about middle eastern domination as the welfare leeches are about getting their checks, and those attitudes are sure to lead this country to a crisis.

You label all those fighting against U.S occupation as terrorist fanatics and insurgents. But I ask you, what would you do if China invaded the U.S tommorow, acted outside of U.S law, set up roadway checkpoints and even killed innocent civilians including children?
Would you take up arms? If your as brave and red blooded as you say you are, then yes, you would fight back.

Most of these "insurgents" are simply resisting the occupation of their land, just as we would do. Why do think we hold the moral high ground? When you folks actually wake up and see the world from another prespective instead of watching the wars on T.V and yelling "Merica"!, maybe then you'll stop feeling the need to bankrupt us on dominating the middle east.

Please do not downgrade this conversation with the "spreading democracy" bull****. What kind of democracy are we trying to spread? Our own Constituion is nothing more than toilet paper now, but we feel the need to tell others how to run their country? This is madness, while your worried about spreading "freedom" through force, our freedom is being taken away!

Ignorance is an evil disease.

GAFinch
02-04-2013, 15:55
This from the same guy who called the 9/11 attacks acts of air piracy. It's not like Kyle was killed in combat. :shakehead:

itstime
02-04-2013, 15:57
I'm wondering if Ron himself said that. If he did his ranking of
Me dropped several points.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 16:02
I guess the tweet wasn't touchy feely and PC enough. The tweet is accurate on it's face, however. Warriors often die violently. And gun ranges aren't a good place to take vets suffering from PTSD. Now that those suffering from Paul Derangement Syndrome have gotten their required venom out of the way, does anyone want to talk about the substance of the tweet and whether it's accurate?

Btw, Ron himself doesn't manage his online presence. Believe me, there's been plenty of instances of Paul supporters lashing out at those that manage his Facebook, Twitter, etc over the years for various reasons (stupid tweets, gross misspellings in Facebook posts, etc).

eta: I just noticed the blurb in the blaze article that Ron is now doing his own tweets. That's recent. I dont have a problem with what he said. I guess it just offends the delicate sensibilities of the warhawks in the party.

Glock_Convert
02-04-2013, 16:09
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/04/ron-paul-account-tweets-shock-message-about-former-seal-snipers-death/



Classy, Ron, classy. Neville Chamberlain had nothing on you when it comes to being a pacifist.

Ron just says what many think but don't have the balls to say. My first thought when I heard he took a guy with PTSD out shooting was "wtf was he thinking?". I read Kyle's book and think he was a true American hero, but I do question the wisdom of using shooting as a PTSD treatment. I have actually thought about volunteering to help at Wounded Warriors. I have three main hobbies I could share: sailing, astronomy, and shooting. Guess which one of the three I didn't even consider offering up to WW?

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syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 16:10
That was a deal breaker for me too.
Isolationism is the wrong thing to do in a world full of evil.

Here I thought it was that mean progressive streak you maintain.

Clearly you have confused non-intervention with isolationism despite the fact that you have been corrected on such points numerous times in the past.

countrygun
02-04-2013, 16:23
"Islamic aggression."

LOL!

The only people who laugh t that phrase re idiot liberals and Muzzies

Seriously?
02-04-2013, 16:42
America: Invaded two countries.

Islam: Had two countries invaded and occupied by America and several others being regularly attacked by Predator Drones. One country still occupied by Israel as Israel practices ethnic cleansing on the original citizens.

Islamic Aggression?

LOL!

txleapd
02-04-2013, 16:56
Chris Kyle was a hero in every sense of the word. He tirelessly served this nation by taking the fight to our enemies on their own soil. He continued to serve by passing his knowledge and experience on to law enforcement and military personnel, so they could continue the fight and protect our citizens. Chris selflessly volunteered to help other warriors, who were broken on our behalf.

Anyone who would mock his service and sacrifice, or glorify his murder is a scumbag and a coward. Anyone who would defend someone who did so is just as bad....


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syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 16:59
Chris Kyle was a hero in every sense of the word. He tirelessly served this nation by taking the fight to our enemies on their own soil. He continued to serve by passing his knowledge and experience on to law enforcement and military personnel, so they could continue the fight and protect our citizens. Chris selflessly volunteered to help other warriors, who were broken on our behalf.

Anyone who would mock his service and sacrifice, or glorify his murder is a scumbag and a coward. Anyone who would defend someone who did so is just as bad....


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I don't believe RP was mocking anyone at all. The statement at face value makes perfect sense. Don't get all emotionally bent out of shape over the fact that not everyone thought it a great idea to treat PTSD at a gun range.

humanguerrilla
02-04-2013, 17:02
This would be the first thing I've heard from Paul I am entirely disgusted by. I hope someone else is working his twitter and he had no input on this BS. Paul seems to be electronically backward and I've heard that most everything online is done for him.

countrygun
02-04-2013, 17:06
America: Invaded two countries.

Islam: Had two countries invaded and occupied by America and several others being regularly attacked by Predator Drones. One country still occupied by Israel as Israel practices ethnic cleansing on the original citizens.

Islamic Aggression?

LOL!

"Ethnic cleansing"? Hahahahh

That is a muzzie fable right there.

vettely
02-04-2013, 17:06
America: Invaded two countries.

Islam: Had two countries invaded and occupied by America and several others being regularly attacked by Predator Drones. One country still occupied by Israel as Israel practices ethnic cleansing on the original citizens.

Islamic Aggression?

LOL!
You, are an idiot.

txleapd
02-04-2013, 17:22
I don't believe RP was mocking anyone at all. The statement at face value makes perfect sense. Don't get all emotionally bent out of shape over the fact that not everyone thought it a great idea to treat PTSD at a gun range.

Do you have any information that Chris Kyle was NOT working with a mental health professional in his dealing with guys suffering from PTSD?

I think one would be remiss to assume he wasn't....


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txleapd
02-04-2013, 17:30
FORMER SEAL AND FRIEND OF CHRIS KYLE EXPLAINS WHY A PTSD SUFFERER WOULD BE AT A RANGE AND CAUTIONS ANTI-GUN ADVOCATES


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/04/former-seal-and-friend-of-chris-kyle-explains-why-a-ptsd-sufferer-would-be-at-a-range-and-cautions-anti-gun-advocates/


..For many, a shooting range might seem like an unusual place to bring a person suffering with PTSD, but Webb said it is quite the opposite.

“It’s like guys going out and playing catch and talking about issues,” Webb said. “Every Marine is a rifleman. It’s a familiar environment. There’s a level of trust and the walls come down.”


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syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 17:31
Do you have any information that Chris Kyle was NOT working with a mental health professional in his dealing with guys suffering from PTSD?

I think one would be remiss to assume he wasn't....


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No I do not. I only have what has been released in the articles. Nowhere does it state that he was working with behavioral specialist. That sort of therapy is typically reserved for when all else fails. Despite our collective lack of information giving someone a firearm that is prone to anxiety issues simply does not pass the common sense test and two people are dead for it. If there was a professional involved he failed those two dead people and should reconsider his career path.

txleapd
02-04-2013, 17:31
Don't assume that you know better, just because you don't understand.


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syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 17:33
FORMER SEAL AND FRIEND OF CHRIS KYLE EXPLAINS WHY A PTSD SUFFERER WOULD BE AT A RANGE AND CAUTIONS ANTI-GUN ADVOCATES


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/04/former-seal-and-friend-of-chris-kyle-explains-why-a-ptsd-sufferer-would-be-at-a-range-and-cautions-anti-gun-advocates/


..For many, a shooting range might seem like an unusual place to bring a person suffering with PTSD, but Webb said it is quite the opposite.

“It’s like guys going out and playing catch and talking about issues,” Webb said. “Every Marine is a rifleman. It’s a familiar environment. There’s a level of trust and the walls come down.”


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The only thing that proves is that SEALs and former SEALs are clearly not mental health professionals.

syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 17:33
Don't assume that you know better, just because you don't understand.


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Please.... don't act like you understand.

JFrame
02-04-2013, 17:34
I find the words of Ron Paul -- if, in fact, it is not a hoax -- disrespectful, insensitive, and almost astonishingly thoughtless.

The only word I can come up with now to characterize Paul is "@$$h0le."


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txleapd
02-04-2013, 17:36
I worked in the mental health field for 8 years. I understand that sometimes there are treatments that sometimes appear radical. It's an ever evolving field.

What are your qualifications?


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syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 17:41
I worked in the mental health field for 8 years. I understand that sometimes there are treatments that sometimes appear radical. It's an ever evolving field.

What are your qualifications?


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I'm qualified to determine good ideas from bad ones.

I specialize in risk assessment, management and reduction and two people are dead for their choices.

txleapd
02-04-2013, 17:47
That's a bit like blaming a woman for being raped, because of the way she dresses, don't you think?

Neither of us are privy to his killer's medical history, or treatment plan.


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syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 17:51
That's a bit like blaming a woman for being raped, because of the she dresses, don't you think?

Neither of us are privy to his killer's medical history, or treatment plan.


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No, that's possibly the worst analogy you could have come up with. Not even close.


We know that the "patient" was being "treated" by two people with good intentions but insufficient behavioral therapy skills and they both died.

syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 17:53
You are correct in stating we don't know about the patients treatment plan or even if there was one. I somehow doubt that taking him to the range without an attending was part of the plan (if there was one). We can only hope for more information.

chickenwing
02-04-2013, 18:14
Double tap

chickenwing
02-04-2013, 18:15
That's a bit like blaming a woman for being raped, because of the way she dresses, don't you think?

Neither of us are privy to his killer's medical history, or treatment plan.


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Horrible analogy.


Regards to what Paul said, I don't find it that inflammatory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_sword,_die_by_the_sword

The phrase is found in the Christian Book of Revelation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation), 13:10: "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints." (Rev.13:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Revelation%2013%3A9-10;&version=9;) KJV)
Commonly, the expression is understood to mean, "You can expect to become a victim of whatever means you use to get what you want."[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_sword,_die_by_the_sword#cite_note-1)
Well, the government used force to get what it wanted out of Iraq, with guys like Kyle and the solider that killed him.

He volunteered to serve America, and to do it with the use of violence. Well, he was killed by another who was subject to that same violence. I don't see it as "Kyle got what he deserved" statement that the resident flag waving "'merica can do no wrong" crowd are trying to make it out to be. Don't care whether Ron actually tweeted it or not.

Not a knock, some people need killing, and guys like Kyle to do the killing. But spare me this spreading freedom and democracy BS.

ChuteTheMall
02-04-2013, 18:19
This crazy 77 year old lunatic is still trying to get attention by displaying his utter contempt for Chris Kyle and all the other heroes who bravely serve in America's military.

Discusting:tinfoil:

JBnTX
02-04-2013, 18:23
This thread is bringing the "Blame America First" crowd out of the woodwork.

syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 18:23
This crazy 77 year old lunatic is still trying to get attention by displaying his utter contempt for Chris Kyle and all the other heroes who bravely serve in America's military.

Discusting:tinfoil:

:yawn:

ChuteTheMall
02-04-2013, 18:24
If legitimate, then Mr. Paul is a very crass person and I look forward to the day he no longer represents any Americans in politics.

That day was January 3, 2013.

:elephant:

He is no longer a representative.

syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 18:24
This thread is bringing the "Blame America First" crowd out of the woodwork.


There must be a heavy sprinkling of progressives in conservative clothing attractant as well. You can't wash that stink off.

frank4570
02-04-2013, 18:28
I find the words of Ron Paul -- if, in fact, it is not a hoax -- disrespectful, insensitive, and almost astonishingly thoughtless.

The only word I can come up with now to characterize Paul is "@$$h0le."


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I'm a ron paul fan. But I absolutely agree with you on this.

ChuteTheMall
02-04-2013, 18:30
I doubt Dr. Paul runs his own twitter, I'll reserve judgement to see if anything else is said.

That incompetent puppet excuse didn't work for his racist newsletters in the '90's and it won't work today.

If he can't manage his own words, from newsletters to twitter, thank God he never became President.

Ron Paul@RonPaulFollow

Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 18:34
I can't believe so many people think treating a combat vet with PTSD at a gun range is a good idea.

I can believe that the same old noise makers that disagree with RP and liberty in general have no qualms shooting there mouths off despite the complete disregard for common sense.

ChuteTheMall
02-04-2013, 18:36
I not judging Dr. Paul because I seriously doubt he is the one sending out these tweets, as I think their are very few people in their 70's using twitter.


So, is he too senile to issue any form of retraction or denial?
Did the Illuminati take over his damaged brain?

He said what he said, now what kind of whacked out stoned conspiracy nuts still pretend that he didn't?

:tinfoil:

GAFinch
02-04-2013, 18:40
There must be a heavy sprinkling of progressives in conservative clothing attractant as well. You can't wash that stink off.

Having an ounce of patriotism and respect for soldiers makes someone a fake conservative? He wasn't even killed in combat. What the hell is wrong with you people? No big surprise, of course, since Paulbots let the Code Pink protesters into the RNC convention, Code Pink and Soros-funded Iraq Veterans Against the Iraq War endorsed RP, and RP endorsed Adam Kokesh's Congressional run.

chickenwing
02-04-2013, 18:43
This thread is bringing the "Blame America First" crowd out of the woodwork.

So, America can do no wrong?

This is not a statement about Kyle as a person. He did what was asked. And the guys he killed saved military lives.

But...

Are you going to sit here and tell me that America's politicians and populace which have fought tooth and nail to screw each other over domestically for decades. Are some how right in some twilight zone when they embrace the policy of constant intervention, sending guys like Kyle and his murderer into constant warfare?

The same a holes that screw us over here, are the same a holes that have no problem sending people into **** holes to get killed, maimed, and mentally screwed up for an agenda that has nothing to do with spreading democracy and freedom. Scrub the fantasy.

ChuteTheMall
02-04-2013, 18:44
This would be the first thing I've heard from Paul I am entirely disgusted by. I hope someone else is working his twitter and he had no input on this BS. Paul seems to be electronically backward and I've heard that most everything online is done for him.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Ron Paul can't control what Ron Paul says; he's merely an incompetent puppet, right?.


http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp260/TurtleIslandProject/Wizard%20of%20Oz%20Controversy/wizard-behind-curtain22.jpg

syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 18:45
Having an ounce of patriotism and respect for soldiers makes someone a fake conservative? He wasn't even killed in combat. What the hell is wrong with you people? No big surprise, of course, since Paulbots let the Code Pink protesters into the RNC convention, Code Pink and Soros-funded Iraq Veterans Against the Iraq War endorsed RP, and RP endorsed Adam Kokesh's Congressional run.

I was referring to JBinTX. He's a closet progressive.

Awful emotional group here tonight. What Paul said makes perfect sense. Read into what you like.

syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 18:46
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Ron Paul can't control what Ron Paul says; he's merely an incompetent puppet, right?.


http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp260/TurtleIslandProject/Wizard%20of%20Oz%20Controversy/wizard-behind-curtain22.jpg

You really are a child.

Sharkey
02-04-2013, 18:49
I find the words of Ron Paul -- if, in fact, it is not a hoax -- disrespectful, insensitive, and almost astonishingly thoughtless.

The only word I can come up with now to characterize Paul is "@$$h0le."


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Exactly. I find the fact that RP supporters come here to defend him disrespectful as well. I mean this isn't even the thread to talk about his foreign policy. Hell he will never be PoTUS and even if he was correct in what he said, his timing is atrocious. All you RP supporters remind me of the gun control nuts after Newtown. A...holes come in all political flavors.

To all the - I don't blame him cuz he didn't write his own twat, well you'll said the same thing when he ran and he didn't write his own newsletter. Pathetic, I guess he can do now wrong. Here I thought O was the savior.

syntaxerrorsix
02-04-2013, 18:50
Exactly. I find the fact that RP supporters come here to defend him disrespectful as well. I mean this isn't even the thread to talk about his foreign policy. Hell he will never be PoTUS and even if he was correct in what he said, his timing is atrocious. All you RP supporters remind me of the gun control nuts after Newtown. A...holes come in all political flavors.

Another amazingly disconnected analogy.

Palmguy
02-04-2013, 18:53
I not judging Dr. Paul because I seriously doubt he is the one sending out these tweets, as I think their are very few people in their 70's using twitter.

Well I guess he is one of the few.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/why-ron-pauls-twitter-is-getting-a-little-more-in

vettely
02-04-2013, 18:54
Do not try to reason with a RonUlan.

TrybalRage
02-04-2013, 19:16
His Facebook account posted somewhat of a longer statement - basically that these wars have resulted in individuals suffering from PTSD that, had we never went to Iraq, may never have suffered from it. He also gives his condolences to the families of all involved.

I really don't understand the 'merica chest thumping that goes on in any RP thread. His views are consistent, and often well thought out, if you simply read into the background of why he is saying it.

Read one of his books, he goes well into the background of our involvement in the Middle East and how (in his opinion) we have just aggravated the problem. The whole 'spreading democracy' and 'freedom' BS is tired.

All that being said, for whatever reason we are there, we lost an American Hero - one of our best, and most formidable warriors, and we are less because of it.



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QNman
02-04-2013, 19:40
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QNman
02-04-2013, 19:42
America: Invaded two countries.

Islam: Had two countries invaded and occupied by America and several others being regularly attacked by Predator Drones. One country still occupied by Israel as Israel practices ethnic cleansing on the original citizens.

Islamic Aggression?

LOL!

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqicXalSDLgN-y9EEqlbJgZ1aDNDE_uYNAibAHvoARHD7E0-rQMg

PawDog
02-04-2013, 19:42
...And as expected and anticipated, the regular Ron Paul admirers show up to defend their chosen messiah. The Paulatarians would defend the old fool even if he was the one who pulled the trigger on Kyle. Sad.

ancient_serpent
02-04-2013, 19:46
That day was January 3, 2013.

:elephant:

He is no longer a representative.

Awesome.
Seriously, I really don't care about Ron Paul, didn't even bother looking up his info.
Just seems like a crass thing for anyone to say, let alone someone that is supposed to represent other Americans.

QNman
02-04-2013, 19:47
For those who think the statement isn't repugnant... couldn't the peaceniks say the same about a soldier killed on a battlefield?

ancient_serpent
02-04-2013, 19:48
America: Invaded two countries.

Islam: Had two countries invaded and occupied by America and several others being regularly attacked by Predator Drones. One country still occupied by Israel as Israel practices ethnic cleansing on the original citizens.

Islamic Aggression?

LOL!

Yup, Islamic aggression merited that response, and if they keep up the BS we'll go liberate the hell out of some more countries.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 19:52
Ron paul proves himself an inconsiderate prick unless he walks this back with an apology to the mans wife and children.

It's still speculation only if the guy was there for treatment. His initial statement seems to say the guy got what he deserved.


What a jerk.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 19:55
America: Invaded two countries.

Islam: Had two countries invaded and occupied by America and several others being regularly attacked by Predator Drones. One country still occupied by Israel as Israel practices ethnic cleansing on the original citizens.

Islamic Aggression?

LOL!

Both were well justified s/p 9/11. One directly, the other indirectly, but well justified just the same.



Fork 'em. Pick a fight with us, and you get a fight back this time. Better luck next time. Next time, we should just break them completely, WWII style, drop every bridge, destroy every power plant and water purification plant, every building above 4 stories, every dam, every port......... and leave them for their neighbors to pick the carcass clean.


We should not pick a fight, but we should finish the next one with extreme prejudice.

OBL used his opinion that we were a paper tiger to motivate his troops. Can't have that, can we?

Dukeboy01
02-04-2013, 19:57
Demented little goblin. :steamed:

QNman
02-04-2013, 19:58
You are correct in stating we don't know about the patients treatment plan or even if there was one. I somehow doubt that taking him to the range without an attending was part of the plan (if there was one). We can only hope for more information.

Worse case, it was poor judgement in an attempt to help a brother in arms to cope with his issues.

That doesn't excuse dismissing the loss of someone who would appear to be a true American hero.

QNman
02-04-2013, 19:59
Both were well justified s/p 9/11. One directly, the other indirectly, but well justified just the same.



Fork 'em. Pick a fight with us, and you get a fight back this time. Better luck next time. Next time, we should just break them completely, WWII style, drop every bridge, destroy every power plant and water purification plant, every building above 4 stories, every dam, every port......... and leave them for their neighbors to pick the carcass clean. <snip>

... or loan them the money to rebuild, with certain conditions applied.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 20:00
Worse case, it was poor judgement in an attempt to help a brother in arms to cope with his issues.

That doesn't excuse dismissing the loss of someone who would appear to be a true American hero.

It's still speculation on if the murderer was a PTSD patient. Give it time, it will come out.

Which makes Paul's lame arsed tweet all that more reprehensible.

QNman
02-04-2013, 20:02
It's still speculation on if the murderer was a PTSD patient. Give it time, it will come out.

Which makes Paul's lame arsed tweet all that more reprehensible.

Agreed.

But my point is simply that even if true, this comment is reprehensible. It's not like he took the guy out to kill him - assuming he was suffering from PTSD, it would certainly appear to any sane person that his intentions were pure.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 20:09
Agreed.

But my point is simply that even if true, this comment is reprehensible. It's not like he took the guy out to kill him - assuming he was suffering from PTSD, it would certainly appear to any sane person that his intentions were pure.

Ron Paul has thrown his lot in with with the Code Pink crazies on this one, the live by the sword commend implies that this guy and his family deserved what he got.

I'd probably ask Dr. Paul to apologize and walk this statement back if I ran into him, well, I'd ask nicely the first time.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 20:12
Im still waiting for anyone to state that the contents of the tweet were inaccurate. All Im seeing is a bunch of "hurt feelings" that the tweet didn't sufficiently smooch Kyle's uniformed ass enough. Since when are conservatives so PC and emotionally driven??

I know, I know, cold hard truth of the ramifications of our never-ending war economy is repugnant to those that worship the state and it's military wing but Paul has never been known to sugarcoat his stances. The same "outraged" voices on this thread are the same ones that have always disagreed with Paul's non-interventionist platform. But hey, let's keep up the military and war worship and see if that serves the GOP better in the next election :eyeroll It's been working oh so well lately with all the elections we're winning.....

countrygun
02-04-2013, 20:14
Im still waiting for anyone to state that the contents of the tweet were inaccurate. All Im seeing is a bunch of "hurt feelings" that the tweet didn't sufficiently smooch Kyle's uniformed ass enough. Since when are conservatives so PC and emotionally driven??

I know, I know, cold hard truth of the ramifications of our never-ending war economy is repugnant to those that worship the state and it's military wing but Paul has never been known to sugarcoat his stances. The same "outraged" voices on this thread are the same ones that have always disagreed with Paul's non-interventionist platform. But hey, let's keep up the military and war worship and see if that serves the GOP better in the next election :eyeroll It's been working oh so well lately with all the elections we're winning.....

Smooch my un-uniformed ***

G19G20
02-04-2013, 20:15
Smooch my un-uniformed ***

There goes that emotional response stuff I mentioned again.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 20:18
I'd probably ask Dr. Paul to apologize and walk this statement back if I ran into him, well, I'd ask nicely the first time.

Or you could just look at his Twitter feed and see that a clarification and (somewhat of an) apology has already been posted. Naaa that's too difficult. It's easier to just threaten a 77 year old with violence, right? Thanks for proving his point. I see a sword in your future.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 20:20
Im still waiting for anyone to state that the contents of the tweet were inaccurate. All Im seeing is a bunch of "hurt feelings" that the tweet didn't sufficiently smooch Kyle's uniformed ass enough. Since when are conservatives so PC and emotionally driven??

I know, I know, cold hard truth of the ramifications of our never-ending war economy is repugnant to those that worship the state and it's military wing but Paul has never been known to sugarcoat his stances. The same "outraged" voices on this thread are the same ones that have always disagreed with Paul's non-interventionist platform. But hey, let's keep up the military and war worship and see if that serves the GOP better in the next election :eyeroll It's been working oh so well lately with all the elections we're winning.....

must....defend.....messiah,....... logic be damned.

G19G20, when the senile old bastage sticks his foot into his mouth up to his knee, it's OK to let him try to apologize on his own.

His remarks were ill informed, as they were made on speculation only, and highly insensitive considering the man involved left two young children and a wife behind, and Dorker Paul implied that he deserved what he got.

What a tool he is, and what a bent tool you are to defend that.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 20:21
Who cares about what's "insensitive"? What are you, Oprah? More truth, less sensitive please.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 20:23
Since I guarantee next to no one posting on this thread bothered to follow up on Paul's twitter feed, here's a Twitter linked to his Facebook made a few hours ago.


As a veteran, I certainly recognize that this weekend's violence and killing of Chris Kyle were a tragic and sad event. My condolences and prayers go out to Mr. Kyle’s family. Unconstitutional and unnecessary wars have endless unintended consequences. A policy of non-violence, as Christ preached, would have prevented this and similar tragedies. -REP

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 20:23
Who cares about what's "insensitive"? What are you, Oprah? More truth, less sensitive please.

I'm pretty sure his wife does.

His kids might. You know what, I hope your loved ones get to feel like they feel right now some day.

Karma dude.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 20:27
Since I guarantee next to no one posting on this thread bothered to follow up on Paul's twitter feed, here's a Twitter linked to his Facebook made a few hours ago.

I didn't see an apology or acknowledgement that he was an insensitive tool anywhere in that.

It does nothing for me. You can be one of his disciples until the senile bastage croaks. What he has said on twitter recently has really illustrated just how stupid and politically inept the old fart really is. Rand better hope his dad is gone before he tries to run for president, as this stuff is coming back up.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 20:29
I'm pretty sure his wife does.

His kids might. You know what, I hope your loved ones get to feel like they feel right now some day.

Karma dude.

I can only pray his wife and kids understand that his death was ultimately caused by the foreign policy that put him in that position in the first place. Then maybe they can become advocates for a sane and affordable foreign policy.

Somebody's gotta put the truth out there even when people don't want to hear it.

Btw, I find your karma comment to be hilarious since that's pretty much exactly what "live by the sword, die by the sword" is about!

I didn't see an apology or acknowledgement that he was an insensitive tool anywhere in that.

Ok Oprah. When does your sensitivity training course start?


It does nothing for me. You can be one of his disciples until the senile bastage croaks. What he has said on twitter recently has really illustrated just how stupid and politically inept the old fart really is. Rand better hope his dad is gone before he tries to run for president, as this stuff is coming back up.

It'll come up again only for those that worship the uniform and support the same insane foreign policy that's cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives.

countrygun
02-04-2013, 20:31
Since I guarantee next to no one posting on this thread bothered to follow up on Paul's twitter feed, here's a Twitter linked to his Facebook made a few hours ago.

But weren't you the one , before the election, that was saying Romney and the right were bad because they made decisions based on religion? Romney was a Mormon and that was bad because decisions shouldn't be made based on religion (unless of course it is the Messiah RP doing it)

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 20:33
I can only pray his wife and kids understand that his death was ultimately caused by the foreign policy that put him in that position in the first place. Then maybe they can become advocates for a sane and affordable foreign policy.

Somebody's gotta put the truth out there even when people don't want to hear it.

Btw, I find your karma comment to be hilarious since that's pretty much exactly what "live by the sword, die by the sword" is about!

Yep, bent tool. You are stuck on Paul, and unable to see.

Glad you have some humor at his and his families expense. Don't expect that raises your stock around here though.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 20:39
Yep, bent tool. You are stuck on Paul, and unable to see.

That doesn't even mean anything. Unable to see what? All I see is people that like to call themselves "thinkers" reacting with pure emotion to a tweet, like a bunch of Democrats. Still no one saying the tweet is inaccurate in any way......:whistling:


Glad you have some humor at his and his families expense. Don't expect that raises your stock around here though.Im pretty well over trying to "make friends" here. I left the popularity contests behind in high school.

But weren't you the one , before the election, that was saying Romney and the right were bad because they made decisions based on religion? Romney was a Mormon and that was bad because decisions shouldn't be made based on religion (unless of course it is the Messiah RP doing it)

As I also said many times, I don't care what the guy believes in his personal life, just don't try to legislate it. And he doesn't. Can't say the same for the Romneys and Santorums of the party.

Zombie Surgeon
02-04-2013, 20:41
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/04/ron-paul-account-tweets-shock-message-about-former-seal-snipers-death/
Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword."

Classy, Ron, classy. Neville Chamberlain had nothing on you when it comes to being a pacifist.

Ron Paul is clearly a senile idiot.
And those who continue to support him after this are idiots too.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 20:42
That doesn't even mean anything. Unable to see what? All I see is people that like to call themselves "thinkers" reacting with pure emotion to a tweet, like a bunch of Democrats. Still no one saying the tweet is inaccurate in any way......:whistling:



Im pretty well over trying to "make friends" here. I left the popularity contests behind in high school.

You have sunk to a new low for me today. You are just about as pathetic a creature as I have ever met online.

A man is gunned down in cold blood, and the motives are still unknown, and you think it's OK because he didn't share your politics. This is a guy that gave a lot for his country. More than you will ever really understand.

You'd need a shovel to dig beneath the whale scat at the bottom of the ocean to find your reputation.

Oh, and I mean that in the nicest way possible, and with all due respect.

michael_b
02-04-2013, 20:47
Wow, well, people should read the whole tweet-

@RonPaul: Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

I believe Dr. Paul is making a reference to how we treat our returning troops and what 10+ years of war have done to the mental health of our troops.

VERY poorly written - hence why I believe everyone is taking his statement out of context, IMO.




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G19G20
02-04-2013, 20:47
Ron Paul is clearly a senile idiot.
And those who continue to support him after this are idiots too.

All hail the military.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/the-founding-fathers-warned-against-standing-armies.html


For example, James Madison said:
In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.
Madison also noted that never-ending war tends to destroy both liberty and prosperity:
Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied: and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals, engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

ChuteTheMall
02-04-2013, 20:49
Im pretty well over trying to "make friends" here. I left the popularity contests behind in high school.


It's more likely that they left you behind.:nutcheck:

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 20:50
Madison would never have had a chance to help write a constitution without this fellow.

"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their nation." George Washington

G19G20
02-04-2013, 20:51
You have sunk to a new low for me today. You are just about as pathetic a creature as I have ever met online.

A man is gunned down in cold blood, and the motives are still unknown, and you think it's OK because he didn't share your politics. This is a guy that gave a lot for his country. More than you will ever really understand.

You'd need a shovel to dig beneath the whale scat at the bottom of the ocean to find your reputation.

Oh, and I mean that in the nicest way possible, and with all due respect.

Your entire post is a giant strawman having sex with an ad hominem.

I never said his death was "OK".

ancient_serpent
02-04-2013, 20:51
All hail the military.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/the-founding-fathers-warned-against-standing-armies.html


[/INDENT]

Oh please. America hasn't been at war, the military has been at war.
America has been at the mall.

Sharkey
02-04-2013, 20:52
Ron Paul is clearly a senile idiot.
And those who continue to support him after this are idiots too.

Yep. Let us just say he is right about foreign policy (he isn't), why does he post it in regards to someone's murder? A victim while he tried to help another. At the very least it is disrespectful.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 20:52
Wow, well, people should read the whole tweet-

@RonPaul: Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

I believe Dr. Paul is making a reference to how we treat our returning troops and what 10+ years of war have done to the mental health of our troops.

VERY poorly written - hence why I believe everyone is taking his statement out of context, IMO.




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I'd love to see Dorker paul explain that to Mr. Kyle's widow.

Senile old koot.


Whether or not he was there to help a PTSD former marine is still a matter of speculation.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 20:56
Your entire post is a giant strawman having sex with an ad hominem.

I never said his death was "OK".

Dr. Paul dismissed his death and virtually blamed him for his own death. with little or no real information. Insensitive prick.

You just supported your messiah. Not a straw man. not really a man at all in my book.

ancient_serpent
02-04-2013, 20:57
I'd love to see Dorker paul explain that to Mr. Kyle's widow.

Senile old koot.

Of course he wouldn't Its much easier to dehumanize other people by classifying them as such.

To wit- Kyle wasn't a person killed while trying to help a fellow veteran, see, he was a war guy doing war things and he got what he deserved.

Paul was "taken out of context" or "misunderstood" or "it was the fault of the military industrial complex, oh noes!"

countrygun
02-04-2013, 20:57
As I also said many times, I don't care what the guy believes in his personal life, just don't try to legislate it. And he doesn't. Can't say the same for the Romneys and Santorums of the party.

He sure just made it public. But of course you think his holiness wouldn't let that influence him if he was elected. Could that be because you felt he was schizophrenic and you were only voting for one of his personalities?

Zombie Surgeon
02-04-2013, 20:58
All hail the military.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/the-founding-fathers-warned-against-standing-armies.html


[/INDENT]

If I would call you a maggot it would be offensive to maggots.
I believe dog excrement would be more appropriate and closer to your intellect and character.

Oh, and I forgot to mention: I am a veteran too. In your opinion would it be OK if I would die by the sword too? Or any other veteran for that matter?

Sharkey
02-04-2013, 20:59
I know, I know, cold hard truth of the ramifications of our never-ending war economy is repugnant to those that worship the state and it's military wing but Paul has never been known to sugarcoat his stances.

Ok, so you and Paul believe that shi*. Why would you bring it up in a thread about a murder victim? Why would he twat something about foreign policy in regards to someone murdered here in the US and do it at a time when the victim hasn't even been buried yet.

You cite this BS and then wonder why people get ticked off?
Yeah, I can see why you follow RP. The Westboro folks come to mind.

It is about honoring a hero's death and you come here to piss on it. That is what I call an a..hole. Hopefully I used enough logic for you and wasn't too emotional.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 20:59
Madison would never have had a chance to help write a constitution without this fellow.

If GW's quote is true then military recruitment should go through the floor. Kyle's death is a perfect example why.

GW did support a standing army but only because he thought it was a better option than "militias".

countrygun
02-04-2013, 21:01
That doesn't even mean anything. Unable to see what? All I see is people that like to call themselves "thinkers" reacting with pure emotion to a tweet, like a bunch of Democrats. Still no one saying the tweet is inaccurate in any way......:whistling:

.


Are you the plain old "Vinegar and Water" type or one of the modern "Scented" variety?

SPIN2010
02-04-2013, 21:02
Oh please. America hasn't been at war, the military has been at war.
America has been at the mall.

That sad fact truly hits the nail on the head.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 21:08
Ok, so you and Paul believe that shi*. Why would you bring it up in a thread about a murder victim? Why would he twat something about foreign policy in regards to someone murdered here in the US and do it at a time when the victim hasn't even been buried yet.

Oh sorry. Guess you didn't get enough time to mourn someone you didn't know. My bad.


You cite this BS and then wonder why people get ticked off?
Yeah, I can see why you follow RP. The Westboro folks come to mind.

Then you tell me what your sensitivity training taught you about appropriate amount of time to wait before addressing the root causes of what happened.


It is about honoring a hero's death and you come here to piss on it.

I imagine that depends on which end of his gun you were on whether he was a hero. I don't worship military so Im able to look at the root of the problem without emotional attachment.


That is what I call an a..hole. Hopefully I used enough logic for you and wasn't too emotional.

Naaa....when the personal insults and profanity come out it's usually a sign of an emotional response.

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:09
Im still waiting for anyone to state that the contents of the tweet were inaccurate. All Im seeing is a bunch of "hurt feelings" that the tweet didn't sufficiently smooch Kyle's uniformed ass enough. Since when are conservatives so PC and emotionally driven??

I know, I know, cold hard truth of the ramifications of our never-ending war economy is repugnant to those that worship the state and it's military wing but Paul has never been known to sugarcoat his stances. The same "outraged" voices on this thread are the same ones that have always disagreed with Paul's non-interventionist platform. But hey, let's keep up the military and war worship and see if that serves the GOP better in the next election :eyeroll It's been working oh so well lately with all the elections we're winning.....

If you can't see the difference between "feelings" and respect, it is unlikely I could explain the difference to you.

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:12
I can only pray his wife and kids understand that his death was ultimately caused by the foreign policy that put him in that position in the first place. Then maybe they can become advocates for a sane and affordable foreign policy...<snip>

Turning Ryan's death into a foreign policy issue is a greater leap than Evil Keneval's leap over the Grand Canyon. Nice try, though.

Zombie Surgeon
02-04-2013, 21:14
Dr. Paul dismissed his death and virtually blamed him for his own death. with little or no real information. Insensitive prick.

You just supported your messiah. Not a straw man. not really a man at all in my book.

The KGB and the SS recruited their torturers and executioners from people who were true believers in the infallibility of their leaders - Stalin and Hitler.
They were individuals who kissed their wives and kids every morning then went to work, put rubber gloves and rubber aprons over their uniforms then started to pull finger nails, insert needles into eyeballs and shoot people in the back of their heads.
They were doing all that with a clear conscience and no regrets because they all believed the Dear Leader or Der Fuhrer was infallible and his cause righteous.
This guy is cut from the same cloth, a true believer. I have no doubt in my mind that if Ron Paul would ask this guy to murder somebody he wouldn't hesitate a single second.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 21:14
Turning Ryan's death into a foreign policy issue is a greater leap than Evil Keneval's leap over the Grand Canyon. Nice try, though.

Are you serious? He was killed by a guy suffering from PTSD from serving under this foreign policy! There's no leap there. He would be alive today otherwise. Unless you're suggesting he killed Kyle over a welched bet or banging his wife or something. Im gonna go with a PTSD induced flashback though.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 21:16
The KGB and the SS recruited their torturers and executioners from people who were true believers in the infallibility of their leaders - Stalin and Hitler.
They were individuals who kissed their wives and kids every morning then went to work, put rubber gloves and rubber aprons over their uniforms then started to pull finger nails, insert needles into eyeballs and shoot people in the back of their heads.
They were doing all that with a clear conscience and no regrets because they all believed the Dear Leader or Der Fuhrer was infallible and his cause righteous.
This guy is cut from the same cloth. I have no doubt in my mind that if Ron Paul would ask this guy to murder somebody he wouldn't hesitate a single second.

Amazingly ironic post coming from a military worshipper. Simply amazing.

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:16
Are you serious? He was killed by a guy suffering from PTSD from serving under this foreign policy! There's no leap there. He would be alive today otherwise. Unless you're suggesting he killed Kyle over a welched bet or banging his wife or something. Im gonna go with a PTSD induced flashback though.

... And yet you don't see the chasm.... Expected and understood.

ChuteTheMall
02-04-2013, 21:17
I can only pray his wife and kids understand that his death was ultimately caused by the foreign policy that put him in that position in the first place.

That's obviously the unheard prayer of a bitter hateful athiest with no compassion for those who grieve.

I dare you to ever show your cowardly face in Arlington National Cemetary.:steamed::patriot:

Are you in the Westboro Baptist Church/Cult of Lawyers?

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 21:20
The KGB and the SS recruited their torturers and executioners from people who were true believers in the infallibility of their leaders - Stalin and Hitler.
They were individuals who kissed their wives and kids every morning then went to work, put rubber gloves and rubber aprons over their uniforms then started to pull finger nails, insert needles into eyeballs and shoot people in the back of their heads.
They were doing all that with a clear conscience and no regrets because they all believed the Dear Leader or Der Fuhrer was infallible and his cause righteous.
This guy is cut from the same cloth, a true believer. I have no doubt in my mind that if Ron Paul would ask this guy to murder somebody he wouldn't hesitate a single second.

You really are just like him, a pansy that has no concept of human nature and the need to occasionally fight back. Neither of you know the guy you are speaking about or his family. Neither of you know the shots he passed on.

You have a very strong and yet somehow offensive opinion on a subject you know very little about.

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:21
Amazingly ironic post coming from a military worshipper. Simply amazing.

"Military worshipper"? Some people just understand that a strong military is necessary to enjoy the freedoms your kind take for granted, even on this forum.

And, yes, sometimes the military has to bring pain to our enemies. I don't agree with everything that the US has allowed themselves to be mired in. I didn't support the Iraq invasion. But disrespect of our soldiers due to my disagreement was never an option. And deluding myself that somehow we "brought this on ourselves" hasn't either.

Zombie Surgeon
02-04-2013, 21:22
Amazingly ironic post coming from a military worshipper. Simply amazing.

Chris Kyle as well as others like him defended you First Amendment right to run your stupid mouth. You don't even have the common sense to shut up and crawl back in the cesspool full of shiite and maggots you came from.

Zombie Surgeon
02-04-2013, 21:23
You really are just like him, a pansy that has no concept of human nature and the need to occasionally fight back. Neither of you know the guy you are speaking about or his family. Neither of you know the shots he passed on.

You have a very strong and yet somehow offensive opinion on a subject you know very little about.

Excuse me? I believe you are a little confused bout who my posting was addressed to. I wasn't talking about Chris Kyle, I was talking about the little piece of dog feces who is posting under the G19G20 handle

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 21:23
I can see where this is going. Ron Paul is a moronic loser and an insensitive prick, and G19G20 will defend his messiah to the end, as he has no shame either.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 21:24
That's obviously the unheard prayer of a bitter hateful athiest with no compassion for those who grieve.

Got me there, I don't actually pray. I do find the "selective compassion" here pretty odd.


I dare you to ever show your cowardly face in Arlington National Cemetary.:steamed::patriot:

I used to work there. You forgot your Israeli flag btw.


Are you in the Westboro Baptist Church/Cult of Lawyers?

No but I support their first amendment right to assemble, speak and protest.

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:24
You really are just like him, a pansy that has no concept of human nature and the need to occasionally fight back. Neither of you know the guy you are speaking about or his family. Neither of you know the shots he passed on.

You have a very strong and yet somehow offensive opinion on a subject you know very little about.

Doc, I don't think he was making the point you think he was making... Read his other posts for context.

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:26
<snip>No but I support their first amendment right to assemble, speak and protest.

You want to take a wild guess who protects that freedom for you?

G19G20
02-04-2013, 21:26
Excuse me? I believe you are a little confused bout who my posting was addressed to.

lol

Yall are so ready to attack SOMETHING that you don't even realize when you're attacking each other. Don't yall get tired of being so angry at everything all the time?

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 21:26
Excuse me? I believe you are a little confused bout who my posting was addressed to.

Yikes. You are correct. My sincere apologies. I'll pay closer attention and do my best to avoid that in the future.

ChuteTheMall
02-04-2013, 21:28
Got me there, I don't actually pray.

Thanks for admitting that you are a liar, something we already knew.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 21:28
You want to take a wild guess who protects that freedom for you?

I do? By owning firearms, being politically active and being a vocal thorn in the side of those that would like to take away that freedom? And no, Im not talking about shooting poppy farmers and goat herders 7000 miles away. Im talking about the same gov't that controls the military we're talking about. The same gov't that yall hate one day and love the next.

Thanks for admitting that you are a liar, something we already knew.

It's an expression. Stop trolling. It must be tiresome being so angry all the time.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 21:29
lol

Yall are so ready to attack SOMETHING that you don't even realize when you're attacking each other. Don't yall get tired of being so angry at everything all the time?

Don't let that lull you into a false sense of righteousness here. Yet as wrong as two brothers kissing with tongue and only half as attractive on this subject.

Cavalry Doc
02-04-2013, 21:29
Thanks for admitting that you are a liar, something we already knew.

Well, he's got a history.

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:32
I do? By owning firearms, being politically active and being a vocal thorn in the side of those that would like to take away that freedom? And no, Im not talking about shooting poppy farmers and goat herders 7000 miles away. Im talking about the same gov't that controls the military we're talking about. The same gov't that yall hate one day and love the next..

Wow. Just wow...

You are either incredibly naive or incredibly dishonest. Or possibly both.

Zombie Surgeon
02-04-2013, 21:32
Yikes. You are correct. My sincere apologies. I'll pay closer attention and do my best to avoid that in the future.

That's OK my friend.
As for the little piece of dog feces who is smearing this thread, I would pay an entire month of my wages to see him saying what he is saying here to the face of one of Chris Kyle SEAL's buddies.
I bet he would shiite his underwear, pants and even socks and sandals even before opening his stupid mouth.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 21:35
Wow. Just wow...

You are either incredibly naive or incredibly dishonest. Or possibly both.

That's not an argument.

That's OK my friend.
As for the little piece of dog feces who is smearing this thread, I would pay an entire month of my wages to see him saying what he is saying here to the face of one of Chris Kyle SEAL's buddies.
I bet he would shiite his underwear, pants and even socks and sandals even before opening his stupid mouth.

Keep reinforcing my opinion that I have more to fear from the "military that protects my rights" (apparently except my right to speak my mind, lest I receive violence in return) than goat herders on the other side of the world.

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:36
I do? By owning firearms, being politically active and being a vocal thorn in the side of those that would like to take away that freedom? And no, Im not talking about shooting poppy farmers and goat herders 7000 miles away. Im talking about the same gov't that controls the military we're talking about. The same gov't that yall hate one day and love the next..

Just so I'm clear... You think you VOTE your way into protecting your rights... Or do you think you protect your right to free speech by exercising your right to free speech?

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:37
That's not an argument.

How does one argue with pure idiocy?

Glotin
02-04-2013, 21:40
Oh please. America hasn't been at war, the military has been at war.
America has been at the mall.

Amen. And cowards like G19G20 wouldn't do the first thing to protect this country if need be. They sure as hell will hide behind a keyboard and bash away at men far greater than themselves though.

If GW's quote is true then military recruitment should go through the floor. Kyle's death is a perfect example why.

GW did support a standing army but only because he thought it was a better option than "militias".

What does this have to do with anything?

Do you honestly think that in modern times operating without a standing Army (or Navy) is at all possible?

Please tell me what your military foreign policy looks like. Do you have carrier battle groups stationed in the Gulf? Do CVN battle groups even exist? Or are militias going to solve all our problems, like James Madison said?

I imagine that depends on which end of his gun you were on whether he was a hero. I don't worship military so Im able to look at the root of the problem without emotional attachment.

No, actually it doesn't. Morality isn't subjective. There are such things as right and wrong, and natural law.

I'm not sure if you're the idiot who equated the American presence in the middle east with a Chinese invasion of the US but here are a few facts:

1. We have not been systematically attacking Chinese civilian, military, and government targets for the past few decades.
2. We do not target civilians, nor do we use women, children, and religious buildings as shields.
3. We are not trying to impose our religion on the rest of humanity.
4. We didn't kill thousands of Chinese civilians in a coordinated attack.

If we were invaded by China, I certainly wouldn't expect you to do anything about it.

Chris Kyle was one hell of a human being. He made sacrifices for his family, his country, for people like you, that you can't possibly ever understand. He has a family. He kept you safe and gave you the lifestyle you enjoy whether you acknowledge that fact or not; just like every other person who has ever raised their right hand and made an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. To trivialize and mock his murder for the advancement of your political beliefs is base and reveals you for exactly the type of person you are.

wprebeck
02-04-2013, 21:41
It's fairly obvious that some in this thread have no idea about PTSD and the various forms it can take.


For the record, I'm not an expert, either. But, having worked side by side with a guy who was diagnosed with said disease (after his Hummer was blown up by an IED, and he got some nice head wounds), I can say I would trust him completely on the firing line.

Matter of fact, I did. We've been on the line together more than once. We've also fought people side by side, and he even backed me on a stop I had while working off duty. Yet, some of you believe he shouldn't even have a gun, much less shoot it.

When you get some experience working with vets and PTSD, come back and speak with some authority. Until then, shut up.


Oh, and RP is a ******.

Zombie Surgeon
02-04-2013, 21:43
I believe I found the person who hides behind the G19G20 handle:

http://www.newsrealblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ron-paul-hippie.jpg

G19G20
02-04-2013, 21:44
Just so I'm clear... You think you VOTE your way into protecting your rights... Or do you think you protect your right to free speech by exercising your right to free speech?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty

"There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapbox), ballot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_box), jury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury) and ammo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammo). Please use in that order."

Heard of it?

certifiedfunds
02-04-2013, 21:44
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/04/ron-paul-account-tweets-shock-message-about-former-seal-snipers-death/



Classy, Ron, classy. Neville Chamberlain had nothing on you when it comes to being a pacifist.

Dr. Paul isn't infallible and this comment was not only in poor taste but also poor judgment. It was flat out disrespectful. I'm very disappointed.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 21:45
misfire

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:45
...Keep reinforcing my opinion that I have more to fear from the "military that protects my rights" (apparently except my right to speak my mind, lest I receive violence in return) than goat herders on the other side of the world.

You have a RIGHT to say whatever you please. But words sometimes have consequences. The government won't prosecute you for saying them. But being disrespectful of a decorated servicemen in the presence of their comrade in arms shortly after their demise will likely lead to an unscheduled emergency room visit.

You still have the RIGHT to speak your mind.

Glotin
02-04-2013, 21:46
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty

"There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapbox), ballot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_box), jury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury) and ammo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammo). Please use in that order."

Heard of it?

So you're prepared to fight a foreign military?

Do you think that idiots like you with their "last resort ammo boxes" could have stopped the Japanese in 1941 if we didn't have a forward deployed, standing army? What would the world look like today if the militias you're so fond of had failed to overcome a Japanese invasion (and they most certainly would have failed)?

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:48
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty

"There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapbox), ballot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_box), jury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury) and ammo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammo). Please use in that order."

Heard of it?

That will protect you from within... As long as nothing changes. But there's a big old world out there, and I'll wager more than one place out there that wouldn't mind coming over and taking up residence. Which of the four boxes will slow them?

Think bigger than yourself. Think even bigger than our borders.

wprebeck
02-04-2013, 21:50
That's what I get for not reading the entire thread.


Screw you and the horse you....well, I'm sure that the horse is already doing something nasty, so never mind.


I never served (one of the ONLY regrets I have know my past..I even did MEPS), but have a history of military service in my family. My grandfather retired from the USN as an E-7. My uncle did, as well, and served as a corpsman in Beruit, which caused him some issues. My mother did 23 years in the USAR as a nurse, and left as an O-4.

Many, many of my coworkers and friends within a multitude of agencies are current or prior service. Many have shed blood in the service of this country. I dare the little pansy waist to talk smack in front of one of them, instead of hiding behinds his keyboard. Better yet, head back to Arlington and go tell that nice Marine fellow guarding the Tomb about your opinions. Be sure and give us a YouTube link.

ChuteTheMall
02-04-2013, 21:50
Dr. Paul isn't infallible and this comment was not only in poor taste but also poor judgment. It was flat out disrespectful. I'm very disappointed.

Thanks for posting that.

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:50
So you're prepared to fight a foreign military?

Apparently, if we weren't such "bullies", no one would ever consider coming here to take what belongs to us out of sheer decency.

Or, G19G20 could talk them out of it... apparently.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 21:50
So you're prepared to fight a foreign military?

If need be, but the way things are going these days I don't think it's a foreign military I have to worry about.

You guys are aware the gov't is trying to disarm you, right? There's only one reason governments do that to their people.

That will protect you from within... As long as nothing changes. But there's a big old world out there, and I'll wager more than one place out there that wouldn't mind coming over and taking up residence. Which of the four boxes will slow them?

Think bigger than yourself. Think even bigger than our borders.

See above comment to glotin. No one is going to invade this country militarily for a multitude of reasons. The commies are working on doing that without a hint of violence...so far. This would be a topic for it's own thread though.

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:51
So you're prepared to fight a foreign military?

Wait... Other countries have a military?

wprebeck
02-04-2013, 21:53
If need be, but the way things are going these days I don't think it's a foreign military I have to worry about.

You guys are aware the gov't is trying to disarm you, right? There's only one reason governments do that to their people.

Because they're liberals? Liberals ALWAYS try to ban guns - it's in their nature. Or, were you even alive in 1994 to see that ban?

QNman
02-04-2013, 21:56
See above comment to glotin. No one is going to invade this country militarily for a multitude of reasons. The commies are working on doing that without a hint of violence...so far. This would be a topic for it's own thread though.

No, not a multitude of reasons... Only one reason. Because we would kick their ass. The military does that; not you.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 21:56
Because they're liberals? Liberals ALWAYS try to ban guns - it's in their nature. Or, were you even alive in 1994 to see that ban?

Your point? It's still happening regardless of the who. The WHY is what is important.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 21:58
No, not a multitude of reasons... Only one reason. Because we would kick their ass. The military does that; not you.

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy

He wasn't talking about the military. He was talking about you and me QN.

QNman
02-04-2013, 22:01
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy

He wasn't talking about the military. He was talking about you and me QN.

Yamamoto was a wise man. Not all dictators are.

Me, I'd fight to repel all invaders to my dying breath. But I'm not delusional enough to think that with modern weaponry as it is, you and I would hold up very long.

G19G20
02-04-2013, 22:11
Thread got way off track here so Ill just say that the tweet could have been worded better and less "direct", but it still contains truth. I will always come down on the side of the truth before I worry about someone's feelings.

Till next time....

GAFinch
02-04-2013, 22:14
In the aftermath of Ron Paul’s despicable tweet today slamming US Navy SEAL sniper Chris Kyle, murdered on Saturday while helping a fellow soldier learn to cope with post traumatic stress syndrome, Paul’s son, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) has told Breitbart News exclusively, “Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country. Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/04/Rand-Paul-responds-Ron-Paul

Zombie Surgeon
02-04-2013, 22:15
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy

He wasn't talking about the military. He was talking about you and me QN.

The last person I would like to watch my six would be a spineless despicable cowardly piece of dog excrement like you.

ChuteTheMall
02-04-2013, 22:17
In the aftermath of Ron Paul’s despicable tweet today slamming US Navy SEAL sniper Chris Kyle, murdered on Saturday while helping a fellow soldier learn to cope with post traumatic stress syndrome, Paul’s son, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) has told Breitbart News exclusively, “Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country. Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/04/Rand-Paul-responds-Ron-Paul

Prayers?

Does he mean prayers to God, or is it just an expression?

What would our Ronulan atheist troll say to that?

Snowman92D
02-04-2013, 22:30
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy

He wasn't talking about the military. He was talking about you and me QN.

Yamamoto never said that, of course.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

Another instance of you not checking your facts before trying to spin your BS. That might work when you're hustling bimbos when your wife ain't around, but it doesn't fly here. :supergrin:

chickenwing
02-04-2013, 22:41
The KGB and the SS recruited their torturers and executioners from people who were true believers in the infallibility of their leaders - Stalin and Hitler.
They were individuals who kissed their wives and kids every morning then went to work, put rubber gloves and rubber aprons over their uniforms then started to pull finger nails, insert needles into eyeballs and shoot people in the back of their heads.
They were doing all that with a clear conscience and no regrets because they all believed the Dear Leader or Der Fuhrer was infallible and his cause righteous.
This guy is cut from the same cloth, a true believer. I have no doubt in my mind that if Ron Paul would ask this guy to murder somebody he wouldn't hesitate a single second.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. Ron is the offspring of Hitler and Stalin. Because of a tweet declaring a warrior for the government died by the hands of another government employee, who was f'ed up because the government sent him to the sandbox. He is now comparable to Hitler and Stalin?

So, by your logic(if it exists) questioning the authority of the State to commit constant warfare, is going to turn this country into a Russian gulag or Nazi death camp? And give Ron Paul the super hybrid Nazi/Russian army he needs to enact limited government?
And wow, posters agree with you. :faint:



I'm not necessarily on G19G20's side. But what you said is nonsense. You are saying Ron Paul would ask him to kill somebody?

That is a serious accusation. Any proof or evidence?

Zombie Surgeon
02-04-2013, 23:20
Ah, thanks for clearing that up. Ron is the offspring of Hitler and Stalin. Because of a tweet declaring a warrior for the government died by the hands of another government employee, who was f'ed up because the government sent him to the sandbox. He is now comparable to Hitler and Stalin?

So, by your logic(if it exists) questioning the authority of the State to commit constant warfare, is going to turn this country into a Russian gulag or Nazi death camp? And give Ron Paul the super hybrid Nazi/Russian army he needs to enact limited government?
And wow, posters agree with you. :faint:



I'm not necessarily on G19G20's side. But what you said is nonsense. You are saying Ron Paul would ask him to kill somebody?

That is a serious accusation. Any proof or evidence?


You missed the point by approximately 3.5 miles.
Read my post again tomorrow morning after you wake up and before you hit the bottle again.

wprebeck
02-05-2013, 01:38
Yamamoto never said that, of course.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

Another instance of you not checking your facts before trying to spin your BS. That might work when you're hustling bimbos when your wife ain't around, but it doesn't fly here. :supergrin:

You remember that, too...funny.

G19G20
02-05-2013, 01:48
Yamamoto never said that, of course.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

Another instance of you not checking your facts before trying to spin your BS. That might work when you're hustling bimbos when your wife ain't around, but it doesn't fly here. :supergrin:

It's good propaganda, isn't it? I don't know, nor care, if the quote is verified. It's still true, is it not? Wouldn't you and I shoot at invaders side by side if there really was an invasion to this country? Serious here. There would be rifles behind every blade of grass. Ignoring the bs we do on this forum, wouldn't we share mags if the Chinese army was landing in San Diego? I think so.

Namaste

kirgi08
02-05-2013, 02:35
I'd love ta see this diatribe spouted ftf with a vet,it would be a painful lesson learned.As ta the above,this nation is not that way anymore.The greatest generation is just about gone and this one is just pathetic.'08.

Cavalry Doc
02-05-2013, 04:57
Thread got way off track here so Ill just say that the tweet could have been worded better and less "direct", but it still contains truth. I will always come down on the side of the truth before I worry about someone's feelings.

Till next time....

The tweet was premature, judgmental, insulting, and based on speculation. It is proof that a peacenik military hating hippie like Pauldid not deserve to be CINC. Consider that with his campaign trail lies about Military support, and I take back most if the nice things I said about him

Rand better shut the demented old fool up before he ruins his chances too.

Cavalry Doc
02-05-2013, 05:03
It's good propaganda, isn't it? I don't know, nor care, if the quote is verified. It's still true, is it not? Wouldn't you and I shoot at invaders side by side if there really was an invasion to this country? Serious here. There would be rifles behind every blade of grass. Ignoring the bs we do on this forum, wouldn't we share mags if the Chinese army was landing in San Diego? I think so.

Namaste

No. It's not true. Do you know how many blades of grass there are in an acre. How about a single state. Your claim to be there fighting a foreign invader is conveniently worthless. Past performance is go guarantee of future performance, but it is an indicator.

TrybalRage
02-05-2013, 05:13
Not that it will make a difference to anyone on either side, but here is the full text of the Facebook post.

"As a veteran, I certainly recognize that this weekend's violence and killing of Chris Kyle were a tragic and sad event. My condolences and prayers go out to Mr. Kyle’s family. Unconstitutional and unnecessary wars have endless unintended consequences. A policy of non-violence, as Christ preached, would have prevented this and similar tragedies." -REP



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Cavalry Doc
02-05-2013, 05:33
Not that it will make a difference to anyone on either side, but here is the full text of the Facebook post.

"As a veteran, I certainly recognize that this weekend's violence and killing of Chris Kyle were a tragic and sad event. My condolences and prayers go out to Mr. Kyle’s family. Unconstitutional and unnecessary wars have endless unintended consequences. A policy of non-violence, as Christ preached, would have prevented this and similar tragedies." -REP



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Hmmm not one word of regret in their about his previous tweet.

Paul has an odd view of what is unconstitutional too. Ask the shrimpers in his district how much unconstitutional money he funneled to them.

barbedwiresmile
02-05-2013, 06:23
Wow, well, people should read the whole tweet-

@RonPaul: Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

I believe Dr. Paul is making a reference to how we treat our returning troops and what 10+ years of war have done to the mental health of our troops.

VERY poorly written - hence why I believe everyone is taking his statement out of context, IMO.




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They're taking it this way due to the two main camps on GT:

1. They hate Paul because he threatens their defined benefit pension plans and future career aspirations. And they know it.

2. They hate Paul because he threatens their world views and hero worship.


As for JB's "Islamic Aggression", I have yet to be aggressed. I am, however, under aggress on a daily basis from a central state that wants to confiscate over half of my income (either directly, or through one of its fifty administrative zones), listen to my phone calls, read my email, ban my guns and magazines, regulate my property ownership and commerce, debase my currency, create barriers to entry in favor of politically donors, degrade my healthcare (and inflate both its cost and regulatory burden), enforce capital controls upon me, subsidize a vast and growing underclass, and send forth armed agents from a stew of alphabet soup agencies to enforce the above-mentioned.

But hey, wave their flag and worship their agents if it helps you feel better.

Skyhook
02-05-2013, 06:32
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/04/ron-paul-account-tweets-shock-message-about-former-seal-snipers-death/



Classy, Ron, classy. Neville Chamberlain had nothing on you when it comes to being a pacifist.


My $.02-- It's RAND we need to be concentrating on..RON has assumed the cloak of irrelevancy IMHO.

Not only that, folks, but what Ron is credited with uttering is so darned typical a statement from our Bubble People (Republicans had two classics last fall, remember?) that we should half expect half-brained comments from time to time.

Cripes-A-Mitey, mateys hasn't the Obama Unicorn herd given us plenty of that sort of nonsense to keep us occupied?:faint:

Just sayin'.

JFrame
02-05-2013, 09:23
FWIW -- I have no particular dog in the fight regarding Ron Paul's world view. I just found his ill-considered and untimely comment to be reprehensible. And I find some of the people who are rabidly endorsing Paul's statement, simply on the basis of some affinity to his world view, to be not too philosophically different from those Westboro "Baptists" who stage protests at the funerals of the KIA.

In the aftermath of Ron Paul’s despicable tweet today slamming US Navy SEAL sniper Chris Kyle, murdered on Saturday while helping a fellow soldier learn to cope with post traumatic stress syndrome, Paul’s son, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) has told Breitbart News exclusively, “Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country. Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/04/Rand-Paul-responds-Ron-Paul

I've liked Rand Paul on the number of occasions when I've heard him speak. His approach to this situation is also much more temperate and level-headed.


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JFrame
02-05-2013, 09:24
My $.02-- It's RAND we need to be concentrating on..

I agree -- check out my post just before yours.


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ancient_serpent
02-05-2013, 09:32
Let's ease off the melodramatic posturing here gentlemen.
I for one, certainly do not "hate" Ron Paul. I would say that it was a crappy thing for anyone to say; as a former representative, he should have kept his mouth shut.
"Truth" or whatever many of you seem to believe Paul embodies aside, can we not disregard that issue and simply be decent people about a tragic death?
Whether or not it was a "wise" thing to do, taking a possibly PTSD person to a firing range aside, Mr. Kyle was trying to do a good thing for a fellow veteran.
One of my closest friends, my brother has acute stress disorder and we go to the range quite often. It has helped him in several ways: another (former) military member to work with, to trust him and to run through drills much as he used to do in the infantry.
Be careful of using situations like this to stand on to get some message out, remember that the Westboro church does much the same.

Fred Hansen
02-05-2013, 09:44
If Ron Paul were 1/1,000,000,000th the man Chris Kyle was, he'd be president. Unfortunately he relegates himself to tossing peanuts from the gallery. Feh!

Even Rand had brains enough to distance himself from his father's twit.

Cavalry Doc
02-05-2013, 10:26
If Ron Paul were 1/1,000,000,000th the man Chris Kyle was, he'd be president. Unfortunately he relegates himself to tossing peanuts from the gallery. Feh!

Even Rand had brains enough to distance himself from his father's twit.

Sen. Rand Paul differs with dad: ‘Chris Kyle was a hero’ (http://twitchy.com/2013/02/04/sen-rand-paul-differs-with-dad-chris-kyle-was-a-hero/)

One of them has sense.


The other? Jeeez


Ghoulish Ron Paul doubles down on Chris Kyle, invokes Jesus (Ghoulish Ron Paul doubles down on Chris Kyle, invokes Jesus)

Glotin
02-05-2013, 12:56
If need be, but the way things are going these days I don't think it's a foreign military I have to worry about.

You guys are aware the gov't is trying to disarm you, right? There's only one reason governments do that to their people.


So, to be clear, you have no answer to any of my other questions?

Any of you Paulbots care to weigh in on the foreign policy questions below?
Do you honestly think that in modern times operating without a standing Army (or Navy) is at all possible?

Please tell me what your military foreign policy looks like. Do you have carrier battle groups stationed in the Gulf? Do CVN battle groups even exist? Or are militias going to solve all our problems, like James Madison said?

Do you think that you and your "last resort ammo boxes" could have stopped the Japanese in 1941 if we didn't have a forward deployed, standing army? What would the world look like today if the militias you're so fond of had failed to overcome a Japanese invasion (and they most certainly would have failed)?

countrygun
02-05-2013, 13:18
They're taking it this way due to the two main camps on GT:

1. They hate Paul because he threatens their defined benefit pension plans and future career aspirations. And they know it.

2. They hate Paul because he threatens their world views and hero worship.


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3. They would like to feel sorry for the doddering old fool, because he is obviously out of touch with reality, but his drooling followers are even MORE out of touch than he is and every time his name is mentioned they pop out of the woodwork because of their delusions of political relevance and become as annoying as Lady Gaga fans.

4. They are tired of waterheads who decide that his latest gaffe is some new plan of their idol and really think it is a bright thing for their savior to denigrate an American hero. Once again reinforcing the delusional self-flagellating orgy they spin into when his very name is mentioned. The idolatry is, again, annoying and ineffectual

Cavalry Doc
02-05-2013, 13:42
3. They would like to feel sorry for the doddering old fool, because he is obviously out of touch with reality, but his drooling followers are even MORE out of touch than he is and every time his name is mentioned they pop out of the woodwork because of their delusions of political relevance and become as annoying as Lady Gaga fans.

4. They are tired of waterheads who decide that his latest gaffe is some new plan of their idol and really think it is a bright thing for their savior to denigrate an American hero. Once again reinforcing the delusional self-flagellating orgy they spin into when his very name is mentioned. The idolatry is, again, annoying and ineffectual

:rofl: :thumbsup: :cool:

kirgi08
02-05-2013, 14:17
:laughing:

Snowman92D
02-05-2013, 15:14
3. They would like to feel sorry for the doddering old fool, because he is obviously out of touch with reality, but his drooling followers are even MORE out of touch than he is and every time his name is mentioned they pop out of the woodwork because of their delusions of political relevance and become as annoying as Lady Gaga fans.

4. They are tired of waterheads who decide that his latest gaffe is some new plan of their idol and really think it is a bright thing for their savior to denigrate an American hero. Once again reinforcing the delusional self-flagellating orgy they spin into when his very name is mentioned. The idolatry is, again, annoying and ineffectual

Oh, now that's funny...I don't care who you are. :rofl:

This thread is bringing the "Blame America First" crowd out of the woodwork.

Ron Paul's diverse base of dopers, racists, Jew-haters, anarchists, and 9-11 truthers, plus Muslims who are looking to buy influence in Congress.

Ruble Noon
02-05-2013, 15:16
Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

In retrospect, was it a good decision to treat PTSD at the range?

Cavalry Doc
02-05-2013, 15:23
In retrospect, was it a good decision to treat PTSD at the range?

In retrospect, are you even remotely sure that was what he was doing.

Some paulistinian disciples can't help themselves. That much is clear. Defend the messiah at all costs, even when he proves himself to be a hemp rope sandal wearin' hippie insensitive prick.

And I mean that in the nicest possible way. :steamed:

countrygun
02-05-2013, 15:26
In retrospect, was it a good decision to treat PTSD at the range?

According to the report this morning the two victims were at the range by themselves and the shooter invited himself in while they were shooting. Might not have been anyone "Being treated at the range" at all, but don't let that get in your way.

Ruble Noon
02-05-2013, 15:30
According to the report this morning the two victims were at the range by themselves and the shooter invited himself in while they were shooting. Might not have been anyone "Being treated at the range" at all, but don't let that get in your way.

I haven't seen the report. Got a link?

Ruble Noon
02-05-2013, 15:33
In retrospect, are you even remotely sure that was what he was doing.

Some paulistinian disciples can't help themselves. That much is clear. Defend the messiah at all costs, even when he proves himself to be a hemp rope sandal wearin' hippie insensitive prick.

And I mean that in the nicest possible way. :steamed:

Are you directing that at me?

Where have I defended anything?

syntaxerrorsix
02-05-2013, 15:56
According to the report this morning the two victims were at the range by themselves and the shooter invited himself in while they were shooting. Might not have been anyone "Being treated at the range" at all, but don't let that get in your way.

Clearly all the facts are welcome. I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.

countrygun
02-05-2013, 15:58
I haven't seen the report. Got a link?

The news source "walked it back" because their talking head misread the copy.

G19G20
02-05-2013, 15:58
So, to be clear, you have no answer to any of my other questions?

Any of you Paulbots care to weigh in on the foreign policy questions below?



Do you honestly think that in modern times operating without a standing Army (or Navy) is at all possible?I don't know if it's possible or not. We have never tried it as a nation. I do know that standing armies have routinely been used against the people of the country they're supposed to be defending. Madison knew this as well, as did other Founders and thinkers. Jefferson said banks were more dangerous than standing armies but when you consider how much he hated bankers, that isn't saying much for a standing army!


Please tell me what your military foreign policy looks like. Do you have carrier battle groups stationed in the Gulf? Do CVN battle groups even exist? Or are militias going to solve all our problems, like James Madison said?Presidential level foreign policy isn't about moving around carrier groups. Do you really think Obama sits down and decides where this boat or that boat goes? That's the job of those in the DoD that are to follow the broad foreign policy directives of the President. There's really no answer to your question since if I was President we wouldnt be involved in all these wars/conflicts/threats/sanctions that currently necessitate carrier groups standing by and a $1.5 trillion a year foreign policy. In my administration, no there wouldn't be carrier groups sitting off the coasts of other countries unless that country attacked us and there was a declaration of war against that country.


Do you think that you and your "last resort ammo boxes" could have stopped the Japanese in 1941 if we didn't have a forward deployed, standing army? What would the world look like today if the militias you're so fond of had failed to overcome a Japanese invasion (and they most certainly would have failed)?

Interesting that you're not a fan of armed civilian militias, seeing how you're on a 2nd amendment related website. Anyway. Im sure Americans would have fought to the death and won against a Japanese invasion, no uniforms needed. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree there.

countrygun
02-05-2013, 16:04
In retrospect, are you even remotely sure that was what he was doing.

Some paulistinian disciples can't help themselves. That much is clear. Defend the messiah at all costs, even when he proves himself to be a hemp rope sandal wearin' hippie insensitive prick.

And I mean that in the nicest possible way. :steamed:

The fact that people, in droves, chose to vote for someone else in the election doesn't phase them. In fact they treat it as if that was his being nailed to a cross and some demented Tweet from the little gremlin is a sign he has risen from the tomb.

JFrame
02-05-2013, 16:06
I don't know if this has already been posted -- but here's Glenn Beck's take on the situation:

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/02/05/watch-glenn-responds-to-ron-pauls-despicable-tweets-about-chris-kyles-murder/?utm_source=Daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2013-02-05_197712&utm_content=5233652&utm_term=_197712_197719

I agree with him.


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countrygun
02-05-2013, 16:19
I don't know if this has already been posted -- but here's Glenn Beck's take on the situation:

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/02/05/watch-glenn-responds-to-ron-pauls-despicable-tweets-about-chris-kyles-murder/?utm_source=Daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2013-02-05_197712&utm_content=5233652&utm_term=_197712_197719

I agree with him.


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The last two paragraphs nailed it.

Thankfully Ron Paul's political career has the life expectancy of the elastic in a year-old pair of Rosie O'Donnell's underwear.

Ruble Noon
02-05-2013, 16:36
Well Dr. Paul he wasn’t treating it. I’m sorry that you listened to the media. I thought you knew better than that

I hope that his isolationist views when it comes to the US military hasn’t blinded him that he can’t take a pause and reflect on life of the sacrifice, and the courage and honor of the men and women that put their lives every single day because Congress and President demand it.

Kind of disappointed in Glenn. In one instance he blames Paul for listening to the media then proves that he is guilty of the same thing. Paul is not an isolationist no matter how much the media and the war mongers on the right proclaim it.

Zombie Surgeon
02-05-2013, 18:06
The last two paragraphs nailed it.

Thankfully Ron Paul's political career has the life expectancy of the elastic in a year-old pair of Rosie O'Donnell's underwear.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

certifiedfunds
02-05-2013, 20:37
The fact that people, in droves, chose to vote for someone else in the election doesn't phase them. In fact they treat it as if that was his being nailed to a cross and some demented Tweet from the little gremlin is a sign he has risen from the tomb.

Opinions of the majority are seldom the correct ones.

fnfalman
02-05-2013, 20:41
Ron Paul is but one loser among many others when it came to running against Obama.


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Syclone538
02-05-2013, 20:44
Ron paul proves himself an inconsiderate prick unless he walks this back with an apology to the mans wife and children.

It's still speculation only if the guy was there for treatment. His initial statement seems to say the guy got what he deserved.


What a jerk.

Wow. I don't understand how you could interpret it that way. Insensitive? Yeah. Saying the guy deserved it? You can't be serious. do ngu (http://doxinh.com/danh-muc/do-ngu/) do ngu nam cao cap (http://doxinh.com.vn/danh-muc/do-ngu/do-ngu-nam/) do dung cho me sau sinh (http://doxinh.vn/danh-muc/do-dung-cho-me/do-dung-sau-sinh/) ban buon quan ao (http://trangbanbuon.com/) vest cong so nu (http://trangbanbuon.vn/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/vest-cong-so/) album anh dep (http://roses.vn/album/)

countrygun
02-05-2013, 21:01
Opinions of the majority are seldom the correct ones.

Disenfranchised, tiny minorities often make that claim. Correct or not they say it about democracy all the time because they always seem to be ineffectual. I suppose that old line helps them feel better about it.

TDC20
02-05-2013, 22:26
I've always considered myself a conservative libertarian in that I support limited government and "getting the government off the backs of the people," to quote one former President.

However, there were two things about the Libertarian party that I strongly disagreed with:
1. Drug policy "whatever a person puts into their body is their own business," which is an incredibly flawed concept on numerous counts.
2. Isolationist foreign policy

I could have actually supported a great Libertarian leader rising from the ranks of this platform. There is virtually no one who I agree with 100%, but for the right leader who could turn this country around, it might be worth the foreign policy damage 4 years of isolationism could cause. It's not like Obama and Hillary aren't doing maximum damage now. And after 4 years of liberal drug policy, the observed effects would have proven why that's a bad idea.

Today I learned that there is a third plank of the Libertarian party that I disagree with:
3. Contempt for the military, similar to liberal Democrats.

Sorry guys, you lost me there. I'm not voting for anyone who hates the military. It's one thing to have a political isolationist view, but hating on the men and women who are dedicated to serving and protecting this country with their blood and lives....you lost me there.

I guess I'll just have to keep promoting Tea Party Republicans and forget about my hopes for a true leader emerging from the Libertarian party.

Syclone538
02-05-2013, 22:34
Noninterventionist is not isolationist. Many statists can't figure out the difference. do boi tre em dep (http://doxinh.com/danh-muc/do-boi/do-boi-tre-em/) do ngu nam (http://doxinh.com.vn/danh-muc/do-ngu/do-ngu-nam/) may hut sua cho me truoc va sau sinh (http://doxinh.vn/danh-muc/do-dung-cho-me/may-hut-sua/) chan vay cong so nu (http://trangbanbuon.com/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/chan-vay-cong-so/) thoi trang cong so nu (http://trangbanbuon.vn/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/) album anh (http://roses.vn/album/)

countrygun
02-05-2013, 22:55
Noninterventionist is not isolationist. Many statists can't figure out the difference.



That's right, there re only two kinds of people "Statists" and Rongoloids.

Why don't you use "Poopy-head" instead?

I've got to hand it to him for his environmental contributions. He now has a political party that could hold its convention in a Chevy Volt.

RC-RAMIE
02-05-2013, 22:58
That's right, there re only two kinds of people "Statists" and Rongoloids.

Why don't you use "Poopy-head" instead?

I've got to hand it to him for his environmental contributions. He now has a political party that could hold its convention in a Chevy Volt.

Wtf are you talking about.


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countrygun
02-05-2013, 23:03
Wtf are you talking about.


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I'll type slowly to help you out.

Syclone implied that those who don't agree with Paul's policy are "statists"

Ron Paul didn't have enough supporters to make a blip on the radar in the election.

There, was that slow enough, or do you need stick figures?

RC-RAMIE
02-05-2013, 23:16
I'll type slowly to help you out.

Syclone implied that those who don't agree with Paul's policy are "statists"

Ron Paul didn't have enough supporters to make a blip on the radar in the election.

There, was that slow enough, or do you need stick figures?

What does that have to do with, "Noninterventionist is not isolationist."?

What does how many votes RP got have to do with nonintervention?

Does the term statists upset you?

Will they be statists stick figures?



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certifiedfunds
02-06-2013, 02:20
Disenfranchised, tiny minorities often make that claim. Correct or not they say it about democracy all the time because they always seem to be ineffectual. I suppose that old line helps them feel better about it.

All of which is a fancy way of saying, well, nothing.

There was a time when the majority thought the world was flat too.

certifiedfunds
02-06-2013, 02:22
I'll type slowly to help you out.

Syclone implied that those who don't agree with Paul's policy are "statists"

Ron Paul didn't have enough supporters to make a blip on the radar in the election.

There, was that slow enough, or do you need stick figures?

Generally speaking yes. They're statists. There are differing degrees of statists but the simple fact remains that however much they lie to themselves their positions grant more power to the state v

JFrame
02-06-2013, 06:35
Wow. I don't understand how you could interpret it that way. Insensitive? Yeah. Saying the guy deserved it? You can't be serious.

In common usage -- that is to say, pretty much ANY American who uses the phrase -- to say, "live by the sword, die by the sword" is to say that a person got back as he gave.

Yeah, it's only Wiki -- but as it says, "'Commonly, the expression is understood to mean, 'You can expect to become a victim of whatever means you use to get what you want.'[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_sword,_die_by_the_sword#cite_note-1)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_sword,_die_by_the_sword


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Sharkey
02-06-2013, 07:33
Wow, Libertarians view conservatives as statists? I guess they have gone off the deep end.

RP was an idiot for saying it and his followers are idiots for defending it. Which Libertarian folk hero will you endorse now that RP isn't even a blip on the radar now?

QNman
02-06-2013, 07:35
Noninterventionist is not isolationist. Many statists can't figure out the difference.

Many libertarians cannot either...

There is not a dark line between the two. It is more of a graduated scale, with isolationist being the extreme on one side, and non-intervention to the other.

For example, I consider myself somewhat non-interventionist. I supported going into Afghanistan, but opposed going into Iraq. I do not believe we need as many bases in foreign lands as we currently have, but also do not believe we should have none whatsoever. I believe there are battles outside our borders that affect us here at home; those battles ought not be ignored.

Some believe there are NO battles we ought concern ourselves outside our own borders. But this is narrow-minded and dangerous.

Syclone538
02-06-2013, 08:07
In common usage -- that is to say, pretty much ANY American who uses the phrase -- to say, "live by the sword, die by the sword" is to say that a person got back as he gave.

Yeah, it's only Wiki -- but as it says, "'Commonly, the expression is understood to mean, 'You can expect to become a victim of whatever means you use to get what you want.'[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_sword,_die_by_the_sword#cite_note-1)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_sword,_die_by_the_sword


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:dunno: I agree.
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Are you trying to refute something in my post?

Syclone538
02-06-2013, 08:33
Wow, Libertarians view conservatives as statists? I guess they have gone off the deep end.
...

To give a rough idea of what I consider statist, if it were up to you, would you cut fed gov by 1/4 in 1 year or less? If you answer no, to me you are a statist.

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RP was an idiot for saying it and his followers are idiots for defending it. Which Libertarian folk hero will you endorse now that RP isn't even a blip on the radar now?

I'm sure there are some out there, but I don't know of anyone that has had any success being elected at anything significant that is as good as Ron Paul. quan lot nam goi cam (http://doxinh.com/danh-muc/do-lot-nam/quan-lot-nam/) do ngu nu cao cap (http://doxinh.com.vn/danh-muc/do-ngu/do-ngu-nu/) may hut sua (http://doxinh.vn/danh-muc/do-dung-cho-me/may-hut-sua/) ao so mi nu (http://trangbanbuon.com/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/ao-so-mi-cong-so/) thoi trang cong so (http://trangbanbuon.vn/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/) cho thue trang phuc bieu dien (http://roses.vn/studio/cho-thue-trang-phuc/)

JFrame
02-06-2013, 08:46
:dunno: I agree.

Are you trying to refute something in my post?


Yup -- if you're saying that "live by the sword, die by the sword" is not the same as "he had what was coming to him," then you're dealing in shades of semantics that aren't honest.


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Syclone538
02-06-2013, 09:01
"to say that a person got back as he gave."

"You can expect to become a victim of whatever means you use to get what you want."

Adding "and deserve it" to someones statement is what's not honest.



I think that firemen put themselves at risk of being burned to death.
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If you could read statements like that without making any false assumptions, I wouldn't have to add that I do not think they deserve it.

certifiedfunds
02-06-2013, 09:03
Wow, Libertarians view conservatives as statists? I guess they have gone off the deep end.

RP was an idiot for saying it and his followers are idiots for defending it. Which Libertarian folk hero will you endorse now that RP isn't even a blip on the radar now?

Libertarians ARE the conservatives today. "Conservatives" typically refers to neocons in the current environment.


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JFrame
02-06-2013, 09:08
"to say that a person got back as he gave."

"You can expect to become a victim of whatever means you use to get what you want."

Adding "and deserve it" to someones statement is what's not honest.



I think that firemen put themselves at risk of being burned to death.

If you could read statements like that without making any false assumptions, I wouldn't have to add that I do not think they deserve it.


Amazing...

Go to the funeral of anyone who has died putting himself at any sort of risk, and tell a loved one of that person, "He lived by the sword, he died by the sword." You can expect a cold shoulder at best, if not a punch in the mouth.

Stand up for Dr. Paul's greater principles all you want -- but don't make an ill-considered statement by him a rallying point for his platform.


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Zombie Surgeon
02-06-2013, 09:23
"to say that a person got back as he gave."

"You can expect to become a victim of whatever means you use to get what you want."

Adding "and deserve it" to someones statement is what's not honest.



I think that firemen put themselves at risk of being burned to death.

If you could read statements like that without making any false assumptions, I wouldn't have to add that I do not think they deserve it.

Ron Paul has an excuse: he is a senile old fool.
What's your excuse? :whistling:

Chronos
02-06-2013, 09:44
Quoting Jesus in exactly the same context as Jesus is seriously taboo if you're talking to people whose lives have become about providing violence as a service to politicians and their state.

Cavalry Doc
02-06-2013, 09:55
A very thoughtful response.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/02/05/watch-glenn-responds-to-ron-pauls-despicable-tweets-about-chris-kyles-murder/?utm_source=Daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2013-02-05_197712&utm_content=5233652&utm_term=_197712_197719

countrygun
02-06-2013, 11:14
All of which is a fancy way of saying, well, nothing.

There was a time when the majority thought the world was flat too.

Yes, well this is one time the majority was right.

The majority thought Ron Paul was a loon and not worth voting for.

Stubudd
02-06-2013, 12:26
Quoting Jesus in exactly the same context as Jesus is seriously taboo if you're talking to people whose lives have become about providing violence as a service to politicians and their state.

enthusiasm and worship for violent servants of the politicians and their state trumps even the words of Jesus, who knew

JFrame
02-06-2013, 12:32
...And if someone told a woman who had just been raped, "Go, and sin no more" -- well, hey, it's just the words of Jesus... :whistling:


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marchboom
02-06-2013, 12:34
Is the massive bragging about the "160 kills" not glorifying war?

That's not bragging. If anything, it's informing the world what he (Kyle) has done to eliminate as many of the enemy of the CIVILIZED world as possible. And how many of our soldiers and Marines are still alive due to his actions?

This man is a true hero!

BTW, What have you done to make our country safer?

countrygun
02-06-2013, 12:37
enthusiasm and worship for violent servants of the politicians and their state trumps even the words of Jesus, who knew

People have the right to worship because others have laid their life on the line to protect that right. Now the worshippers are ungrateful, who knew?

series1811
02-06-2013, 13:23
That's always been the one thing about Ron Paul that kept me out of his support column.

He will say nineteen things that make pretty good sense. And, then, the twentieth thing will come out of his mouth, and you think, "Whoa. What did he just say?"

The statement about Chris Kyle was that twentieth thing.

barbedwiresmile
02-06-2013, 13:34
http://lewrockwell.com/mcmaken/mcmaken151.html




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Stubudd
02-06-2013, 14:10
...And if someone told a woman who had just been raped, "Go, and sin no more" -- well, hey, it's just the words of Jesus... :whistling:


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Do you think he would say that in that situation though? Me neither. Do you think he would say "live by the sword, die by the sword" to a sniper that gets shot and killed? I think he might. WWJD?

Stubudd
02-06-2013, 14:11
http://lewrockwell.com/mcmaken/mcmaken151.html




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Booooooooo, the Golden Rule, boooooooooooooooooooooooo


:rofl:

snerd
02-06-2013, 14:19
http://lewrockwell.com/mcmaken/mcmaken151.html
Who do you think you are?! Injecting reason and sanity into a debate!!

JFrame
02-06-2013, 14:22
Do you think he would say that in that situation though? Me neither. Do you think he would say "live by the sword, die by the sword" to a sniper that gets shot and killed? I think he might. WWJD?


You mean "murdered"? Not that the statement would have been appropriate in either context (it just wouldn't -- and again, I think those who are pushing the point are toeing a line precariously close to the Westboro "Baptists"), but at least Ron Paul's comment would have had a meager semblance of justification if the man had been killed on a battlefield.

Also, Christ's comment was an admonishment to a person who was still alive. He did not make it to score political points over the body of a slain individual.


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Stubudd
02-06-2013, 14:47
You mean "murdered"? Not that the statement would have been appropriate in either context (it just wouldn't -- and again, I think those who are pushing the point are toeing a line precariously close to the Westboro "Baptists"), but at least Ron Paul's comment would have had a meager semblance of justification if the man had been killed on a battlefield.

Also, Christ's comment was an admonishment to a person who was still alive. He did not make it to score political points over the body of a slain individual.


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Murdered? I guess so. I was thinking more like this was just yet another senseless death in a long line of senseless deaths from these wars- the killer was insane from PTSD. Killed seems more like it to me. No more nor less a shame than the other however many hundreds of thousands- his personal body count doesn't elevate this guy to exalted hero status with me. Nor with Jesus, i'm guessing.

JFrame
02-06-2013, 15:15
Murdered? I guess so. I was thinking more like this was just yet another senseless death in a long line of senseless deaths from these wars- the killer was insane from PTSD. Killed seems more like it to me. No more nor less a shame than the other however many hundreds of thousands- his personal body count doesn't elevate this guy to exalted hero status with me. Nor with Jesus, i'm guessing.


Well -- I guess we're just going to have to differ on the original issue of what Ron Paul said. He could have simply chosen to leave one "senselessly killed" man alone, instead of broadcasting a political point over him. And I suspect that would have been the "Christian" thing to do also.


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Kablam
02-06-2013, 16:08
http://lewrockwell.com/mcmaken/mcmaken151.html




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"...outraged Republicans who were dismayed that anyone would not endorse every action of every single taxpayer-funded soldier who ever drew a bead on some dirt-poor 12-year-old child-soldier 10,000 miles away." - McMaken

Yeah that is what is going on. Putz!

Cavalry Doc
02-06-2013, 16:10
Murdered? I guess so. I was thinking more like this was just yet another senseless death in a long line of senseless deaths from these wars- the killer was insane from PTSD. Killed seems more like it to me. No more nor less a shame than the other however many hundreds of thousands- his personal body count doesn't elevate this guy to exalted hero status with me. Nor with Jesus, i'm guessing.

I'm sure his wife and children will take Dr. Paul's rebuke of their husband and father into that context when they read it.


It was a very thoughtless thing for him to say, and if he thought about it, even worse.

Zombie Surgeon
02-06-2013, 17:02
Guess who is standing by Ron Paul's moronic tweet about Chris Kyle (besides the usual brain dead Ronulans)?
The Westboro Baptist Church.
Yep, that Church or loonies who's members are picketing dead soldiers funerals and chant "God kills our troops and hates America because of gays"

http://img.scoop.it/S5R_sZ1-1WOeLa8nwIwMUDl72eJkfbmt4t8yenImKBVaiQDB_Rd1H6kmuBWtceBJ

countrygun
02-06-2013, 17:12
Guess who is standing by Ron Paul's moronic tweet about Chris Kyle (besides the usual brain dead Ronulans)?
The Westboro Baptist Church.
Yep, that Church or loonies who's members are picketing dead soldiers funerals and chant "God kills our troops and hates America because of gays"


Yup, Paul was still appealing to his voter base.

Zombie Surgeon
02-06-2013, 18:04
Yup, Paul was still appealing to his voter base.

We have a saying in my old country: "cine se-aseamana, se-aduna"
Translated in English: "those who are alike will stick toghether"

JP22
02-06-2013, 19:14
Ignoring the bs we do on this forum, wouldn't we share mags if the Chinese army was landing in San Diego? I think so.

Namaste

I think as many people as you have pissed off here, someone would frag your ass.