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Teecher45
02-08-2013, 19:06
I want a 1911, but I want one of those that works. Every time, all of the time.
A little background. I've owned six 1911's. Two springfield's (1 loaded that was pretty bad as far as not liking hollow points, and an operator with rail that wouldn't eject), one kimber (that was the best shooting pistol I've ever owned but wouldn't work at all with HP's), and 3 Colts. Now, I must profess a liking for Colt. My father used to have an old Cold Govt. that was great as far as reliability goes but lost it in a robbery several years ago. I also have a 6920. So I bought a blued Govt. and it was pretty bad as far as accuracy goes. Since then I've had two Lightweight Commanders and one wouldn't eject a whole magazine to save its (or my) life, the other wouldn't keep 3 out of 5 rounds on a paper plate from 10 yards. I really, really wanted to love my blued commander (IMO the most beautiful gun I've ever owned) but just couldn't trust it. All above pistols were broken-in.
So now, I want try it again, except this time I will be more patient. I will even send them back to the factory if need be. Then I will want to have a little work done here and there by a qualified gunsmith.
This will be my everything pistol, CC, HD, range. Would like it to be lightweight, and commander length. Made in USA (just cause), and blued (just cause). Last, but not least, I want it to be as accurate and reliable as my G-21 (for those that have shot one).
So I guess what I'm asking is what would be the best base pistol that fits my description to be tweaked (bob tailed) later? And let's keep it around 1 grand for now.
Thanks guys.

ilgunguygt
02-08-2013, 19:20
I want a 1911, but I want one of those that works. Every time, all of the time.
A little background. I've owned six 1911's. Two springfield's (1 loaded that was pretty bad as far as not liking hollow points, and an operator with rail that wouldn't eject), one kimber (that was the best shooting pistol I've ever owned but wouldn't work at all with HP's), and 3 Colts. Now, I must profess a liking for Colt. My father used to have an old Cold Govt. that was great as far as reliability goes but lost it in a robbery several years ago. I also have a 6920. So I bought a blued Govt. and it was pretty bad as far as accuracy goes. Since then I've had two Lightweight Commanders and one wouldn't eject a whole magazine to save its (or my) life, the other wouldn't keep 3 out of 5 rounds on a paper plate from 10 yards. I really, really wanted to love my blued commander (IMO the most beautiful gun I've ever owned) but just couldn't trust it. All above pistols were broken-in.
So now, I want try it again, except this time I will be more patient. I will even send them back to the factory if need be. Then I will want to have a little work done here and there by a qualified gunsmith.
This will be my everything pistol, CC, HD, range. Would like it to be lightweight, and commander length. Made in USA (just cause), and blued (just cause). Last, but not least, I want it to be as accurate and reliable as my G-21 (for those that have shot one).
So I guess what I'm asking is what would be the best base pistol that fits my description to be tweaked (bob tailed) later? And let's keep it around 1 grand for now.
Thanks guys.

Colt or Kimber or Springfield + Chuck Rogers = Perfection. Do some searching on that name and see his work. Or wait for someone(you know who you guys are) to post pics of thiers.

Roydrage
02-08-2013, 19:27
TRP

Best Production 1911 without getting into ultra priced models.

I have one 5000rnds without one hickup, I have 3 friends I made get one... 12,000 rounds between them without ONE PROBLEM.

Your Best Friend. It will never let you down....

Put together in the U.S. and fitted by Gunsmiths not machines... expect to pay around $1,500 and worth every penny. Magwell, Ambi Saftey. Ready to go.

JUST GET IT!

Tony

glock2740
02-08-2013, 19:41
Colt or Kimber or Springfield + Chuck Rogers = Perfection. Do some searching on that name and see his work. Or wait for someone(you know who you guys are) to post pics of thiers.
Chuck Rogers does GREAT work. :thumbsup:

Teecher45
02-08-2013, 19:52
TRP

Best Production 1911 without getting into ultra priced models.

I have one 5000rnds without one hickup, I have 3 friends I made get one... 12,000 rounds between them without ONE PROBLEM.

Your Best Friend. It will never let you down....

Put together in the U.S. and fitted by Gunsmiths not machines... expect to pay around $1,500 and worth every penny. Magwell, Ambi Saftey. Ready to go.

JUST GET IT!

Tony
Yes, I have a friend that has one and it is cool. But, do you CC that thing? It seemed like it weighed more than my .44 mag!

Roydrage
02-08-2013, 20:05
Yes, I have a friend that has one and it is cool. But, do you CC that thing? It seemed like it weighed more than my .44 mag!

It might be slightly heavier... But it's got to be close... Maybe that's why it feels so, and IS so solid.

You can't have everything...

All I know is... I've got $4k plus guns, and the TRP is on my night stand.

Tony

glock2740
02-08-2013, 20:21
I'd say the TRP is a great production 1911 without a doubt. I have 3 of them and they're all great.

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/Guns028.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/Guns029.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/100_0375.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/100_0376.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/100_0379.jpg

They've all had a little tweeking. :)

fnfalman
02-08-2013, 20:29
Colt Government Model Series 80 in .38Super. I have two of these and they put the fancier Colts to shame. Two guns in two different years' production batches that are that good cant be a fluke.


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Teecher45
02-08-2013, 20:32
It might be slightly heavier... But it's got to be close... Maybe that's why it feels so, and IS so solid.

You can't have everything...

All I know is... I've got $4k plus guns, and the TRP is on my night stand.

Tony
Yes, I've got too much in guns too, mostly hunting guns.
But the question is, does anyone actually CC that big damn thing?
Keep in mind my EDC is a G27 in a Theis. Awfully hard to beat.

QNman
02-08-2013, 20:41
I'd say the TRP is a great production 1911 without a doubt. I have 3 of them and they're all great.

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/100_0375.jpg

They've all had a little tweeking. :)

I gotta know... grips?

glock2740
02-08-2013, 20:46
Yes, I've got too much in guns too, mostly hunting guns.
But the question is, does anyone actually CC that big damn thing?
Keep in mind my EDC is a G27 in a Theis. Awfully hard to beat.
With the right belt and holster, it's a breeze to CC a fullsize 1911. :cool:

glock2740
02-08-2013, 20:53
I gotta know... grips?
Here you go. :cool:

https://vzgrips.com/gun-grips/1911/aliens/alienr-tiger-stripe-g10

Fuerte
02-08-2013, 20:58
I had a STI Trojan for a while. It ran flawlessly.

okie
02-08-2013, 22:08
Let me say this please, the 1911 was designed to run hardball ammo and we shouldn't get upset if a 1911 doesn't run JHP's. Having said this my SARO runs JHP all day long, and FMJ all day long also. I have NO reason to send my RO off to a smith, it does what it should right out of the box. Teecher45 go have a look see at a Springfield Armory Range Officer:thumbsup:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/okie1911/001.jpg

QNman
02-08-2013, 22:20
Here you go. :cool:

https://vzgrips.com/gun-grips/1911/aliens/alienr-tiger-stripe-g10

Thank you!

okie
02-08-2013, 22:31
I gotta know... grips?

VZ grip panels for sure:thumbsup:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/okie1911/ODK_zpsb1bff439.jpghttp://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/okie1911/m1911_zps07082e50.jpg

Short Cut
02-08-2013, 22:34
It's kind of funny I think how a lightweight commander seems like such an excellent carry gun, yet they seem to be under represented at your local gunstore particularly ones that are higher end and good to go. For starters a few of the good makers out there don't make a 4.25" commander, they make them 4 inches even. Why does that bother me, dunno, just like the true 4 and a quarter inches a lot better. Brown doesn't make one, Baer stopped making their Concept X, S&W has a PC LW Commander out worth checking on, but the price will be higher than a grand for sure. S&W's regular line of LW Commander are just ok imo after owning 2.

The best I came up with was finding a discontinued Baer Concept X.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh67/JMB1911/Guns/BConceptXsm.jpg

QNman
02-08-2013, 22:41
It's kind of funny I think how a lightweight commander seems like such an excellent carry gun, yet they seem to be under represented at your local gunstore particularly ones that are higher end and good to go. For starters a few of the good makers out there don't make a 4.25" commander, they make them 4 inches even. Why does that bother me, dunno, just like the true 4 and a quarter inches a lot better. Brown doesn't make one, Baer stopped making their Concept X, S&W has a PC LW Commander out worth checking on, but the price will be higher than a grand for sure. S&W's regular line of LW Commander are just ok imo after owning 2.

The best I came up with was finding a discontinued Baer Concept X.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh67/JMB1911/Guns/BConceptXsm.jpg

Purdy. I need a commander in the collection. Baer is on the list for sure.

glock2740
02-08-2013, 22:44
It's kind of funny I think how a lightweight commander seems like such an excellent carry gun, yet they seem to be under represented at your local gunstore particularly ones that are higher end and good to go. For starters a few of the good makers out there don't make a 4.25" commander, they make them 4 inches even. Why does that bother me, dunno, just like the true 4 and a quarter inches a lot better. Brown doesn't make one, Baer stopped making their Concept X, S&W has a PC LW Commander out worth checking on, but the price will be higher than a grand for sure. S&W's regular line of LW Commander are just ok imo after owning 2.

The best I came up with was finding a discontinued Baer Concept X.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh67/JMB1911/Guns/BConceptXsm.jpg
I agree, I'm a huge fan of LW Commanders and CCO's. But, Brown has always made a true Commander in 4.25". And they've been making a LW KC for over a year. My KC isn't the LW frame, but it's bobtailed and I love it all the same. :cool:

Short Cut
02-08-2013, 22:59
I agree, I'm a huge fan of LW Commanders and CCO's. But, Brown has always made a true Commander in 4.25". And they've been making a LW KC for over a year. My KC isn't the LW frame, but it's bobtailed and I love it all the same. :cool:

Well color me behind the times, the Brown LW news hadn't hit me here in CA behind enemy lines. :supergrin: Is it bobtailed only? The bobtail is a heck of an inovation for carry, but personally I just can't get used to how it points especially if I'm also shooting non-bobtailed 1911s.

I'll check it out. Thanks 2740. :patriot:

Short Cut
02-08-2013, 23:19
That LW Kobra is a sweet piece of work. Seems all of their commanders are bobtailed now. Guess that makes sense as it is gotten to be signature of Brown's carry pistols.

What I think would be a perfect LW Commander is a GI No Name 4.25" if they only did a lightweight frame. Still even the steel version has my number and is calling me.

glock2740
02-08-2013, 23:22
Well color me behind the times, the Brown LW news hadn't hit me here in CA behind enemy lines. :supergrin: Is it bobtailed only? The bobtail is a heck of an inovation for carry, but personally I just can't get used to how it points especially if I'm also shooting non-bobtailed 1911s.

I'll check it out. Thanks 2740. :patriot:
Here you go. A little info on it. :cool:

http://www.edbrown.com/kobracarrylw.htm

glock2740
02-08-2013, 23:28
That LW Kobra is a sweet piece of work. Seems all of their commanders are bobtailed now. Guess that makes sense as it is gotten to be signature of Brown's carry pistols.

What I think would be a perfect LW Commander is a GI No Name 4.25" if they only did a lightweight frame. Still even the steel version has my number and is calling me.
I love my stainless No Name bobtailed Commander. It would be cool in a LW frame too. :cool:


http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/nn2.jpg

And here it is after swapping grips and trigger
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/hb2.jpg

matt_lowry123
02-08-2013, 23:34
Glock2740, that TRP is bad ass!!! Did it come with that trigger?

Steel Head
02-08-2013, 23:43
Let me say this please, the 1911 was designed to run hardball ammo and we shouldn't get upset if a 1911 doesn't run them. Having said this my SARO runs JHP all day long, and FMJ all day long also. I have NO reason to send my RO off to a smith, it does what it should right out of the box. Teecher45 go have a look see at a Springfield Armory Range Officer:thumbsup:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/okie1911/001.jpg
I agree withb OKIE and My RO has been 100% with HP's

Here you go. :cool:


https://vzgrips.com/gun-grips/1911/aliens/alienr-tiger-stripe-g10

Thank you!

Another big THANKS,Those are nice

faawrenchbndr
02-09-2013, 07:39
I would suggest looking into a Dan Wesson ECO

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-eco/

I have a great carry pistol that was built by Chuck Rogers. It may
be a wee bit too nice for EDC.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/Springer%20Compact%2045/64ef2c2fd92147183e5ab85306e75b57.jpg



I recently found a Les Baer Concept IX

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/20941b5a2f8686649381cc8995c803d7.jpg



it's a Commander size 1911 with a light weight frame. If you decide
to look into the light weight frame models, be DAMN sure it has a ramped barrel!

glock2740
02-09-2013, 07:57
Glock2740, that TRP is bad ass!!! Did it come with that trigger?
Thanks. The two black one's came with silver 3 hole triggers. But I've really began to like the Harrison Extreme short black solids in my black guns. They both were hardchromed last week, so I had new silver 3 holers put into them. Should be getting them back soon and will post some pics. :cool:

glock2740
02-09-2013, 07:58
I recently found a Les Baer Concept IX

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/20941b5a2f8686649381cc8995c803d7.jpg



it's a Commander size 1911 with a light weight frame. If you decide
to look into the light weight frame models, be DAMN sure it has a ramped barrel!
That's a GREAT looking gun Greg! Congrats! :cool:

faawrenchbndr
02-09-2013, 09:43
Oops,......this isn't the actual pic. Googled this one. Should have it
in hand mid to late this coming week.

Teecher45
02-09-2013, 12:12
Wow, those are some great looking 1911's, but it seems the longer this thread goes the farther away from a grand we are getting!
The SARO looks good to go except it will be an EDC and I've carried a full size before and it just didn't work for me. But yes, it is mandatory (again, for me) for it to cycle HP's reliably.
I may decide to save a little longer and look at the Dan Wesson CCO.
But don't stop giving suggestions...
Thanks guys.

faawrenchbndr
02-09-2013, 12:38
Not to sound like an ***, but,
Buy once, cry once

QNman
02-09-2013, 13:43
Not to sound like an ***, but,
Buy once, cry once

Yup.

Sounds like you've already been down the "budget" path. I'm not saying you can't find a budget 1911 that works - you can. But your odds improve dramatically when you spend a little more.

JM2C

glock2740
02-09-2013, 13:46
Yup.

Sounds like you've already been down the "budget" path. I'm not saying you can't find a budget 1911 that works - you can. But your odds improve dramatically when you spend a little more.

JM2C
You get what you pay for in the 1911 world. :cool:

fastbolt
02-09-2013, 15:00
I generally don't recommend specific makes/models of pistols to folks, and especially not 1911's (unless I get to know them and have a good idea of their skillset & experience).

That said ...

I've had ample opportunity over the years of being a LE firearms instructor & armorer of seeing a lot of folks own & use various 1911-style pistols, and handle & shoot a fair number of them. I've used budget 1911's, and those costing on the far side of $4K.

I own 4 Colts and a SW1911SC 5" model (lightweight Scandium aluminum frame). The first 3 Colts were all older models (70's production) and required some refinement in order to reliably feed a lot of JHP's, including the old CCI 200gr "Flying Ashtray".

The newer one is middle 2000's production, a stainless XSE Government Model, and it's feed, fired, extracted & ejected an assortment of JHP loads often used for on & off-duty. Boringly reliable, whether clean/lubed or dirty/lubed. Just runs and shoots VERY accurately.

My SW1911SC has been equally as reliable and accurate. (As have other SW1911's used by instructors of my acquaintance.)

I've been seriously considering ordering one of the SW1911 Enhanced Models (E-Series) after recently handling and using a 5" all-steel model.

Excellent out-of-the box trigger. The sights required a very slight drift adjustment (after being tried by 3 very experienced 1911 shooters/instructors to confirm the slight POA/POI difference). Tack driver with duty 230gr loads.

However, if I get one, I'm thinking of ordering the Commander 4.25" size round-butt. I like the bob-tailed profile and over-size PC type extractor.

So ... for a "working gun" in a 1911, I'd be completely comfortable getting another new production Colt XSE or a SW1911 (especially an E-Series) ... or if neither of those were available, one of the higher end Springfields.

You can spend $2K-$5K on a 1911, no problem, but that's not necessary for a reliable, "working" gun.

Maybe if you're into collecting and enjoying a certain amount of pride-of-ownership in high-end, custom guns, then sure, help yourself. It's your money. ;)

Just make sure that whatever you decide to buy, to use good quality magazines, as they're at the very heart of reliable functioning with 1911's. Then, confirm normal reliable feeding & operation with each and every magazine in your 1911, being used in your hands ... and maintain the mags as you do your pistol (cleaning, spring replacement, inspection for damage, etc).

ilgunguygt
02-09-2013, 16:40
You get what you pay for in the 1911 world. :cool:
I agree 100%, but I still have to disagree:supergrin:

I purchased a RIA 3.5"CS. That gun reliably feeds JHPs, SWCs, anything. In fact, many times it finds itself in the inside pocket of my carhart jacket in cold weather. I would trust it with my life. I paid 375 for it, brand new. I would say that sometimes you get more than you paid for.

Now, after saying that, was it as well fit and finished as the other examples? Nope. Not by any means. My sig blows it away in fit and finish, and it isnt what some of these others are. In the way of reliability and performance though, that RIA can keep up with the best of them, for a fraction of the price.

glfpunk
02-09-2013, 16:44
I've actually had good luck with 1911's. The only one I had issue with was a Springfield GI. I had a Kimber Compact that was one if the best guns I've owned and I hate that I got rid of it. The only one I have now is a Dan Wesson CCO and I can't recommend it enough. No issues at all, very accurate, and just a really well made gun. I carry it occasionally. It gets rotated with a G27 and a Ruger SP101.

MLittle
02-09-2013, 16:47
TRP

Best Production 1911 without getting into ultra priced models.

I have one 5000rnds without one hickup, I have 3 friends I made get one... 12,000 rounds between them without ONE PROBLEM.

Your Best Friend. It will never let you down....

Put together in the U.S. and fitted by Gunsmiths not machines... expect to pay around $1,500 and worth every penny. Magwell, Ambi Saftey. Ready to go.

JUST GET IT!

Tony

Hey Tony...... I've seen many posts here and on other gun sites where owners of the TRP speak to its reliability and accuracy. The problem I have with it is its size and weight... Like the OP I've owned unreliable 1911's, but love the platform for all the reasons people love 1911's. Problem is I've also not found one that's as reliable as a Glock or any of my Sigs. I don't mean to hijack this thread, but could you recommend a Commander sized 1911 that you feel that has the reliabilty of the TRP, but in a smaller package?

glock2740
02-09-2013, 16:51
I agree 100%, but I still have to disagree:supergrin:

I purchased a RIA 3.5"CS. That gun reliably feeds JHPs, SWCs, anything. In fact, many times it finds itself in the inside pocket of my carhart jacket in cold weather. I would trust it with my life. I paid 375 for it, brand new. I would say that sometimes you get more than you paid for.

Now, after saying that, was it as well fit and finished as the other examples? Nope. Not by any means. My sig blows it away in fit and finish, and it isnt what some of these others are. In the way of reliability and performance though, that RIA can keep up with the best of them, for a fraction of the price.
I've got the same RIA and it's never jammed one time. I also can hit beer cans at 50 yards 6-7 out of 10 times with it all day. Must be those tiny sights. :cool:

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/CSRIAgrips.jpg

That being said, I also have a fullsize RIA Match that shoots lights out and has been 100% with anything you feed it, but I had a fullsize Tactical that had to go back to Armscor twice and still won't reliably feed HP's. It's no longer around anymore.

MLittle
02-09-2013, 16:54
It's kind of funny I think how a lightweight commander seems like such an excellent carry gun, yet they seem to be under represented at your local gunstore particularly ones that are higher end and good to go. For starters a few of the good makers out there don't make a 4.25" commander, they make them 4 inches even. Why does that bother me, dunno, just like the true 4 and a quarter inches a lot better. Brown doesn't make one, Baer stopped making their Concept X, S&W has a PC LW Commander out worth checking on, but the price will be higher than a grand for sure. S&W's regular line of LW Commander are just ok imo after owning 2.

The best I came up with was finding a discontinued Baer Concept X.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh67/JMB1911/Guns/BConceptXsm.jpg

I actually was just at the Ed Brown website and they do make a Kobra Carry (4.25in) in stainless and one with a light weight, Aluminum frame.......

Roydrage
02-09-2013, 17:16
Hey Tony...... I've seen many posts here and on other gun sites where owners of the TRP speak to its reliability and accuracy. The problem I have with it is its size and weight... Like the OP I've owned unreliable 1911's, but love the platform for all the reasons people love 1911's. Problem is I've also not found one that's as reliable as a Glock or any of my Sigs. I don't mean to hijack this thread, but could you recommend a Commander sized 1911 that you feel that has the reliabilty of the TRP, but in a smaller package?

M. Sorry I have no expirience with the Commander size rendition... I Know it uses a much stiffer spring, and has a higher associated wear...

If I were going to get one and bet my life on it in a possible gunfight, It would be the Bill Wilson Carry Pistol...

This is the gun The man Carries himself... All my Wilsons have run flawlessly with any kind of ammo, and I doubt this would be any different.

http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-bill-wilson-carry.asp (http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-bill-wilson-carry.asp)

Tony

Short Cut
02-09-2013, 19:14
I actually was just at the Ed Brown website and they do make a Kobra Carry (4.25in) in stainless and one with a light weight, Aluminum frame.......
Yeah, I was wrong. Already took my lumps earlier in the thread.

Now if Brown could just offer it without the bobtail. Again I think the bobtail is cool, effective and innovative, but they just don't point right for me (too low). I'd get used to it if I had too, but then switching back to non-bobtails would be a problem pointing too high.

MLittle
02-10-2013, 13:01
Yeah, I was wrong. Already took my lumps earlier in the thread.

Now if Brown could just offer it without the bobtail. Again I think the bobtail is cool, effective and innovative, but they just don't point right for me (too low). I'd get used to it if I had too, but then switching back to non-bobtails would be a problem pointing too high.


Sorry about that...... I wasn't piling on, just didn't read the full string of messages before responding.

As to your second comment, I believe you can get any Brown 1911 custom made without a bobtail. It's one of their options on their order sheet. You might want to check it out.

fastbolt
02-10-2013, 17:19
I remember modifying one of my Commanders back in the middle 70's to give the MSH a "semi-bevel", which better aligned it in my hand to produce a "natural" balance and POA/POI.

Nice to see it's become more or less "mainstream" over the years.

mleroux21
02-10-2013, 19:33
Yeah, I was wrong. Already took my lumps earlier in the thread.

Now if Brown could just offer it without the bobtail. Again I think the bobtail is cool, effective and innovative, but they just don't point right for me (too low). I'd get used to it if I had too, but then switching back to non-bobtails would be a problem pointing too high.


I agree with you that bobtails do point different than a non bobbed version. But I recently purchased a Volkmann and the
the high cut trigger and the grip for some reason worked out to help me point on target. So I think the grip and the undercut trigger guard do help on pointing a bobtail.

Marc

MajorD
02-11-2013, 11:57
i have not seen a basic rattle trap 1911 that can't shoot at least as accurately as a stock glock, and any refined 1911 (either semi custom,gunsmithed or modern production) will shoot circles around a glock for accuracy. I routinely shoot to 50 yards and beyond with a pistol and at those extended ranges even my basic 1911's out shoot my glocks.
Reliability I will admit can be an issue when you try to get 1911 to feed jhp's. good magazines proper lubrication are both essential. it is not unheard of even for glocks but more so 1911's to find some brands of jhp that run all day and others that are jam city.
investing in 100 rounds of each type of commonly available hollow point ammo then running them to see what works in a particular gun is a very expensive proposition in today's market but is what will find you the best performing ammo for your gun. having a friend say his 1911 runs great with brand x ammo is not going to mean yours will.

G36_Me
02-12-2013, 21:03
M. Sorry I have no expirience with the Commander size rendition... I Know it uses a much stiffer spring, and has a higher associated wear...

If I were going to get one and bet my life on it in a possible gunfight, It would be the Bill Wilson Carry Pistol...

This is the gun The man Carries himself... All my Wilsons have run flawlessly with any kind of ammo, and I doubt this would be any different.

http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-bill-wilson-carry.asp (http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-bill-wilson-carry.asp)

Tony

I followed the link to the Wilson site. I'm going to report your post to the mod for posting nasty pictures. I want one.

Teecher45
02-12-2013, 21:05
MajorD, that could be the downfall for me. I don't love the idea of my pistol deciding which bullet I can use for SD.

biggun1911
02-13-2013, 18:53
I have Smith and Wesson 1911 Gunsite light weight commander model that I like. I have over 1,000 rounds without any problems. For some reason feels good in the hand. Recoil is similar to my Glock 21, but I am more accurate with it.

I would recommend it for anyone looking for a light weight commander.

SpringerTGO
02-13-2013, 19:29
You get what you pay for in the 1911 world. :cool:

Not always true.
I feel totally ripped off with my Nighthawk.
Springfield, on the other hand, offers great products.

samuse
02-13-2013, 20:34
If you're really serious about the Lightweight Commander sized 1911s, then I think you need to be looking at Wilson Combat or Springfield Custom.

I think you're really looking for a Glock 19 though...

Teecher45
02-13-2013, 22:31
If you're really serious about the Lightweight Commander sized 1911s, then I think you need to be looking at Wilson Combat or Springfield Custom.

I think you're really looking for a Glock 19 though...

You shouldn't pretend to think you know what I'm looking for.
I've got a G27, a G21 and a 92F, and a few revolvers. I'm NOT looking for a 9mm to CC.
I am really wanting an officers model, lightweight, with an accessory rail, as dependable as a G19.
Doesn't exist. I've looked.
And, if you would actually read the OP. I asked for a base model to build as money became available.
Thank you to those who have actually tried to help.


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fnfalman
02-13-2013, 23:49
MajorD, that could be the downfall for me. I don't love the idea of my pistol deciding which bullet I can use for SD.

Well, get used to that idea. Not every pistol would feed every type of ammunition, not even the vaunted Glocks.

However, it doesn't take much to chamfer the chamber and polish the feed ramp on an M1911 to take most bullet profiles.

ilgunguygt
02-14-2013, 01:40
Well, get used to that idea. Not every pistol would feed every type of ammunition, not even the vaunted Glocks.

However, it doesn't take much to chamfer the chamber and polish the feed ramp on an M1911 to take most bullet profiles.
It really all depends on the gun. My G21 will feed anything, as will all of the 1911s I own. My uncle has a colt1991 that will not feed any hollowpoints except gold dots and will not feed a SWC or a TC bullet profile at all. My XD45 will not work at all with SWC. The first round off the mag feeds and fires fine. Upon extraction it jams the empty in so tight to the top round in the magazine you have to practically beat the thing open.

Short Cut
02-14-2013, 08:32
And, if you would actually read the OP. I asked for a base model to build as money became available.
Thank you to those who have actually tried to help.



I'd venture a guess that you've received a lot of suggestions of guns that are over budget because it takes a certain level of time=$ to fit a 1911 together well. One can start with an inexpensive 1911 and add quality parts over time, but still won't get the slide to frame fit, front strap checkering, barrel, bushing mating etc. To take an inexpensive gun and have it fit correctly from a good gunsmith would go way over the dollars it would have taken to start with a more well build pistol.

That doesn't mean that 1911s like the S&W PD1911 lightweight commander aren't competent or can't get the job done, I trusted one enough to carry it for awhile, however it isn't nearly as nice the Baer I pictured earlier and I just don't see the path to get from the first to the second incrementally over time.

Anyway, just wanted to point out that just because a suggestion might not seem the best fit for what you're asking it doesn't mean that the folks making it aren't trying to be of assistance. :patriot:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh67/JMB1911/Guns/SW1911PDDempseyspine.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh67/JMB1911/Guns/BConceptXsm2.jpg

fnfalman
02-14-2013, 10:29
It really all depends on the gun. My G21 will feed anything, as will all of the 1911s I own. My uncle has a colt1991 that will not feed any hollowpoints except gold dots and will not feed a SWC or a TC bullet profile at all. My XD45 will not work at all with SWC. The first round off the mag feeds and fires fine. Upon extraction it jams the empty in so tight to the top round in the magazine you have to practically beat the thing open.

Exactly my point. It depends on the guns.

My Glock 17 did not like Black Talons back in the days.

MY P220 didn't like Hydra-Shok.

Teecher45
02-15-2013, 17:26
I'd venture a guess that you've received a lot of suggestions of guns that are over budget because it takes a certain level of time=$ to fit a 1911 together well. One can start with an inexpensive 1911 and add quality parts over time, but still won't get the slide to frame fit, front strap checkering, barrel, bushing mating etc. To take an inexpensive gun and have it fit correctly from a good gunsmith would go way over the dollars it would have taken to start with a more well build pistol.

That doesn't mean that 1911s like the S&W PD1911 lightweight commander aren't competent or can't get the job done, I trusted one enough to carry it for awhile, however it isn't nearly as nice the Baer I pictured earlier and I just don't see the path to get from the first to the second incrementally over time.

Anyway, just wanted to point out that just because a suggestion might not seem the best fit for what you're asking it doesn't mean that the folks making it aren't trying to be of assistance. :patriot:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh67/JMB1911/Guns/SW1911PDDempseyspine.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh67/JMB1911/Guns/BConceptXsm2.jpg
Well, those are good points that I hadn't considered.
But, it brings up more questions from someone that knows next to nothing about 1911's.
Does the frame to slide fit (and those other things you mentioned) hinder accuracy or reliability? Both?
If I bought a SA (or Colt, or such...) and then had a certified gunsmith fluff and buff it would that void the warranty from the manufacturers?
I was taking for granted I could add parts as money became available, but the way it sounds it just wouldn't be the same.

samuse
02-19-2013, 19:10
Well, those are good points that I hadn't considered.
But, it brings up more questions from someone that knows next to nothing about 1911's.
Does the frame to slide fit (and those other things you mentioned) hinder accuracy or reliability? Both?
If I bought a SA (or Colt, or such...) and then had a certified gunsmith fluff and buff it would that void the warranty from the manufacturers?
I was taking for granted I could add parts as money became available, but the way it sounds it just wouldn't be the same.

Frame to slide fit doesn't have much to do with accuracy... As long as it's not excessively loose which is a pretty rare occurence.

There's not too many 'certified gunsmiths' I'd trust to fluff 'n buff on my carry gun. If you want to rely on the manufacturer, Springfield Armory is tops in my experience. I've had many good experiences with their custom shop.

Adding parts as money becomes available can be problematic with a 1911 since so many of the parts have to be fit together to work properly, not to mention finished or refinished after they're fit.

That's why I always recommend a ground-up build by a good 'smith (which can take a year+ if they're even accepting work), or preferably a custom by Wilson or Springfield. They build working guns and can turn out a good running compact.

I'm a little jaded when it comes to 1911s. I have fairly high standards for my carry/training pistols. After having tried to use 'em as a primary for quite some time, with less than satisfactory results, I ultimately ended up selecting a different platform to rely on day-to-day.

Teecher45
02-20-2013, 05:58
Samuse, what did you end up going with?


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mykylg30
02-20-2013, 14:28
i have a para gi expert and it is great.shoots great (accurate, feeds good.) however doesnt like jhp's but i expect that from a 1911. so as far as i know from mine, a para warthog would be a sweet carry 1911.:dunno:

samuse
02-20-2013, 18:55
Samuse, what did you end up going with?


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Glock 19 / Sig P229.

Teecher45
02-22-2013, 20:02
Good choices samuse.
But I have to ask, why not a 1911 for everyday carry?

samuse
02-23-2013, 08:35
Good choices samuse.
But I have to ask, why not a 1911 for everyday carry?

Too big, too heavy, not consistently reliable enough for me to trust.

Honestly, given the price and performance of the popular handguns today, running the 1911s made me feel like a fool.

faawrenchbndr
02-23-2013, 08:46
Too big, too heavy, not consistently reliable enough for me to trust.

Honestly, given the price and performance of the popular handguns today, running the 1911s made me feel like a fool.


Wow,........respect your I opinions, but I can not agree with that.
The Sig 229 is a heck of a lot bulkier than a 1911, heavy, fat, poor trigger.

As long as those choices work for YOU, that is all that matters!

samuse
02-23-2013, 20:37
Wow,........respect your I opinions, but I can not agree with that.
The Sig 229 is a heck of a lot bulkier than a 1911, heavy, fat, poor trigger.

As long as those choices work for YOU, that is all that matters!

It's thicker in the slide and grip, and it's a bit heavier than a Glock 19, which is what I usually carry.

As far as the trigger....

I've never met one I couldn't use well. It's very nice being able to shoot any handgun well without having to have a 1911-ish trigger.

Teecher45
03-01-2013, 21:19
Well, I'm thinking I'm gonna wait a couple of months and get a DW CCO.
Now, for those questions. Remember, I'm a Glock guy.
Anyone have one and have tried numerous types of HP's? Overall did most of them feed well?
I know it is an officers frame, but will it work with a standard size mag?
What about a 10 round mag for the end table at night?
Anyone make a good reliable mag that fills the space under the mag well (kinda like a sleeve for the higher capacity mags used on a compact Glock) that doesn't look as bad? Not just metal hanging out the magwell.
As the new legislation is being bounced back and forth, the Glocks (and accessories) are getting way overpriced and very hard to find. Is the same true for 1911's?
Best 1911 mags?
I know nothing about 1911's except that as I am getting older I am wanting one more and more.
PS, I know better pistols are made, but honestly $1500 ish is probably the most I'll ever pay for a pistol. Thank you.

ferretray
03-02-2013, 20:48
I want a 1911, but I want one of those that works. Every time, all of the time.
A little background. I've owned six 1911's. Two springfield's (1 loaded that was pretty bad as far as not liking hollow points, and an operator with rail that wouldn't eject), one kimber (that was the best shooting pistol I've ever owned but wouldn't work at all with HP's), and 3 Colts. Now, I must profess a liking for Colt. My father used to have an old Cold Govt. that was great as far as reliability goes but lost it in a robbery several years ago. I also have a 6920. So I bought a blued Govt. and it was pretty bad as far as accuracy goes. Since then I've had two Lightweight Commanders and one wouldn't eject a whole magazine to save its (or my) life, the other wouldn't keep 3 out of 5 rounds on a paper plate from 10 yards. I really, really wanted to love my blued commander (IMO the most beautiful gun I've ever owned) but just couldn't trust it. All above pistols were broken-in.
So now, I want try it again, except this time I will be more patient. I will even send them back to the factory if need be. Then I will want to have a little work done here and there by a qualified gunsmith.
This will be my everything pistol, CC, HD, range. Would like it to be lightweight, and commander length. Made in USA (just cause), and blued (just cause). Last, but not least, I want it to be as accurate and reliable as my G-21 (for those that have shot one).
So I guess what I'm asking is what would be the best base pistol that fits my description to be tweaked (bob tailed) later? And let's keep it around 1 grand for now.
Thanks guys.

Sorry you're having such bad luck with your 1911 experiences.
Lost track of how many Colts I've had over the years. From the Government down to Defender size. Only problem I've ever had was BTFwith the little Defender and got that squared-away quick.
Wish you luck going forward.

Teecher45
03-07-2013, 20:40
Thanks ferretray. I too hope my luck changes.

Teecher45
03-07-2013, 20:41
Well, I'm thinking I'm gonna wait a couple of months and get a DW CCO.
Now, for those questions.
I know it is an officers frame, but will it work with a standard size mag?
What about a 10 round mag for the end table at night?
Anyone make a good reliable mag that fills the space under the mag well (kinda like a sleeve for the higher capacity mags used on a compact Glock) that doesn't look as bad? Not just metal hanging out the magwell.
As the new legislation is being bounced back and forth, the Glocks (and accessories) are getting way overpriced and very hard to find. Is the same true for 1911's?
Best 1911 mags?
I know nothing about 1911's except that as I am getting older I am wanting one more and more.
PS, I know better pistols are made, but honestly $1500 ish is probably the most I'll ever pay for a pistol. Thank you.
Well, a bump because I really want to know. Please see questions above...

samuse
03-08-2013, 15:40
Well, a bump because I really want to know. Please see questions above...

I think Wilson Combat might make a magazine like that.

I've had the best luck with Wilson 47s and CMC Powermags.

I had a 2010 Dan Wesson VBOB. It didn't run well at all.

Good luck.

Teecher45
03-16-2013, 14:46
Okay, so I brought home a SR 1911 Commander. Yeah, I was surprised too. Heading home to clean it.
Now who makes a good dependable 10 round mag for it.


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seanmac45
03-16-2013, 14:55
Congrats on your acquisition.

Wilson Combat makes 10 rounders and I believe they have a model with a fitted stop to prevent you from over inserting the mag.

QNman
03-16-2013, 15:58
Chip McCormick's seem good... but I would defer to the others here, as I haven't put too may mags down range yet.