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RGbiker
02-12-2013, 19:15
http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/article145521.htm

Let's hope more gun manufacturers stand up to state politicians.....:tongueout:

pgg00
02-12-2013, 19:21
Good. Would like to see all the companies do this

Annhl8rX
02-12-2013, 19:26
I can't imagine this will actually cost them any business. I've never heard of any agency using Olympics.

bigkrackers
02-12-2013, 19:32
Maybe when Oly's business triples because of patriotic purchases other companies will jump on the bandwagon. Maybe.

I'm sorry. I just read that again and started to laugh. As if Colt, Remington, Glock, S&W or any other gun manufacturer would give up lucrative contracts over any sort of conviction. That stands as good a chance as a mass boycott by the private sector over any gun manufacturer that sells to gov't agencies in NY. People don't have that kind of will. Even die hard 2A supporters wouldn't do that so why would a company - other than one who does no business in NY anyway.

jdeere_man
02-12-2013, 19:34
What will really put the pain in NY is if all major players follow suit

CMG
02-12-2013, 19:35
I can't imagine this will actually cost them any business. I've never heard of any agency using Olympics.

Really?

:faint:

WASRfan
02-12-2013, 19:37
Oly has taken a sheeet-beating over the years from the "Chart people" due to cast lowers of their distant past, the nebulous "mil-specs", and their absolute refusal to use chrome, preferring stainless instead.

But...

Back in the Politically Correct days when Pony guns were no longer being sold to us mere mortals - Oly soldiered on making ARs for us "civvies". They brought us the 7.62x39 AR, the pistol-AR, the first billeted recvr ARs, and several "wildcat" ARs. They are overdue their props.

Ruggles
02-12-2013, 19:46
I can't imagine this will actually cost them any business. I've never heard of any agency using Olympics.

Never fails on GT. A company does something good and somebody has to post some numbskull and negative comment about it. Just plain sad. :upeyes:

Ruggles
02-12-2013, 19:51
As much as I love Texas and I am a big fan of Larue they were just outdone IMO. Larue stopped selling to certain Govt groups based on "fear of selling illegally to the worng person by mistake" or some such thing which I assume is just a cover to stop selling to folks they disagree with politically. I can live with that :)

Olympic just comes out and says "up yours NY"!

Nicely done IMO.

LawScholar
02-12-2013, 19:52
Olympic hasn't ever really been on my purchasing radar, but regardless of my taste for their products, I admire them heartily for this decision. I might have to buy one as a range plinker.

Ruggles
02-12-2013, 19:54
Olympic hasn't ever really been on my purchasing radar, but regardless of my taste for their products, I admire them heartily for this decision. I might have to buy one as a range plinker.

I agree. They make a 9mm AR15, always wanted one of those anyways :)

itstime
02-12-2013, 19:54
I'm am even prouder owner of their weapons. Great job Olympic.

JDSTG58
02-12-2013, 20:11
As a NYer I give them credit. I will buy from them in the future.

HKLovingIT
02-12-2013, 20:16
Good on them! :wavey: They told it like it is.

RJ's Guns
02-12-2013, 20:23
Olympic hasn't ever really been on my purchasing radar, but regardless of my taste for their products, I admire them heartily for this decision. I might have to buy one as a range plinker.

I feel the same way. They deserve my support
RJ

GAFinch
02-12-2013, 20:36
As a NYer I give them credit. I will buy from them in the future.

Did they start making bolt actions?

Wyoming
02-12-2013, 21:02
I own several AR's but not an Olympic. Some day when all this panic buying ends I will add on to my collection just because.:patriot:

I hope other gun manufactures follow.

Beanie-Bean
02-12-2013, 21:15
Wow! I'll be supporting these stand-up guys, for sure. It was good to see the president and marketing directors both tell the creators and supporters of those ridiculous laws to stick it!

Awesome job, Olympic Arms!

:highfive:

mjkeat
02-12-2013, 21:33
Others have already done this. Although Oly is just following suite it's good to see. I would rather see Olys in the hands of bad guys than law abiding citizens. Olys have earned every once of their reputation.

The_Gun_Guru
02-12-2013, 21:35
This action has caused a division of the people into classes: Those the government deems valuable enough to protect with modern firearms, and those whose lives have been deemed as having less value, and whom the government has decided do not deserve the right to protect themselves with the same firearms.

Sincerely,

Brian Schuetz
President
Olympic Arms, Inc.

He hasn't seen anything yet! That's nothing compared to what's coming.

I support them 100% and hope you all will too. He is right about one thing....

If we don't stand united we will surely fall divided!


TGG:patriot:

aptrpl6
02-12-2013, 21:39
Regardless of their reputation, this is nice to see.

drraoulduke
02-12-2013, 21:54
Did they start making bolt actions?

:rofl::rofl:

drraoulduke
02-12-2013, 22:03
Maybe when Oly's business triples because of patriotic purchases other companies will jump on the bandwagon. Maybe.

I'm sorry. I just read that again and started to laugh. As if Colt, Remington, Glock, S&W or any other gun manufacturer would give up lucrative contracts over any sort of conviction. That stands as good a chance as a mass boycott by the private sector over any gun manufacturer that sells to gov't agencies in NY. People don't have that kind of will. Even die hard 2A supporters wouldn't do that so why would a company - other than one who does no business in NY anyway.

I honestly don't see how Colt, LWRC, S&W, etc will have any other choice but to make the same stand! What is their revenue gonna look like when the gun market in the US is limited to LE and Military ONLY. Gonna suck losing 100+ million potential customers when we finish sliding down the slippery slope. They can take a stand now for long term benefit.

High Altitude
02-13-2013, 00:13
The entire industry needs to follow in kind.

ShallNotBeInfringed
02-13-2013, 00:37
I own several AR's and one is an Olympic. Good for them!

How about some manufacturer telling the feds to pound sand, that is the next step.

ZombieJoe
02-13-2013, 01:26
Did they start making bolt actions?


Bingo! :rofl:

But really, good for them. When prices go down, and I finally get the AR I have been waiting for I will give them a look.

JohnnyReb
02-13-2013, 01:32
Decisions like this make me what to buy an Olympic. Good for them!

HAIL CAESAR
02-13-2013, 02:34
Son of a b/&@-"?:!!!

I am going to buy an Oly now just for this reason. I really am. Time to but my wallet where my mouth is like they did.

M2 Carbine
02-13-2013, 02:50
I'm proud of Olympic arms.

Having the guts to stand up for your convictions is rare now days.

countsk
02-13-2013, 02:51
I owned a pre-ban Oly and never had any issues with it. Unfortunately I sold it a couple of years back.

Louisville Glocker
02-13-2013, 02:52
Thumbs up for them. Well-stated letter the president of the company wrote.

NY residents are still pretty screwed. But we've got room in KY for a few of you. I'm looking forward to seeing the new law improvements in Illinois. (concealed carry coming soon)

The AWB laws are really a joke, and 99 percent politics.

omega48038
02-13-2013, 02:56
What most people don't know is that Olympic was a rather well respected barrel maker before they made ARs. Nothing wrong with a premium quality AR, but an Olympic will do fine for 99% of what most civilians will use it for.

ShallNotBeInfringed
02-13-2013, 03:10
My Olympic AR CAR. Dark Earth & Camo

LL6
02-13-2013, 06:22
Others have already done this. Although Oly is just following suite it's good to see. I would rather see Olys in the hands of bad guys than law abiding citizens. Olys have earned every once of their reputation.
Always have to take a dig if it isn't part of the hallowed four? :yawn:

faawrenchbndr
02-13-2013, 06:30
Others have already done this. Although Oly is just following suite it's good to see. I would rather see Olys in the hands of bad guys than law abiding citizens. Olys have earned every once of their reputation.

Seriously? :dunno:


That was a rather piss poor comment Mike. :shame:

SGT HATRED
02-13-2013, 06:31
Bravo oly. I hope others follow in this fight for our 2nd amendment rights. And lets add Comifornia to that list as well...

Illini_Glock
02-13-2013, 06:37
Good for them.

CMG
02-13-2013, 07:04
I'm going to take some time today, and contact Olympic Arms and let them know they have me back as a customer.... Likewise, I am going to contact the others (RRA, Colt, BMI, S&W) and let them know that Olympic Arms' public stance has earned my future business while theirs have not.

misunderestimated
02-13-2013, 07:35
I am a New Yorker and I agree with there position

I just posted this on Glocks face book Page

Originally I had appealed to Glock asking them not to abandon us New Yorkers, I had asked that they make a 7 round magazine so that the new Law passed in New York making anything over a 7 round magazine illegal would not become whats its intended purpose was and actual Gun Ban as Glock only make one gun that New Yorkers could now purchase new.

Well I have changed my position and I feel Glock and the other manufacturers of Fire arms should make it clear to our over reaching government that if they shut down civilian sales then the manufacturers will shut down all sales and service to the state.

So now I am asking Glock to Please take the same stance as Olympic Arms and the others and send a clear message to Andrew Cuomo if you make unconstitutional laws it will effect the way the state can effect there business. Governor Andrew Cuomo already made it clear he did not have an interest in the brave Law Enforcement officials who work to keep us safe by not even excluding them from the bad legislation. So please Glock send the same message to the politicians of New York you will not sell to anybody in New York.

Thank You
Larry Savino .
GSSF member # 76283



Please take the time to let Glock know how you would feel if they took the same position with New York sales as the other manufacturers are taking. Originally every one thought this was only going to be a New York and California thing but its pretty clear the agenda is to make it national.



weather or not you realize it or not we are all in it together

g23rob
02-13-2013, 07:54
I own an older olympics arms rifle and have NEVER had an issue with it
I know it has close to 10,000 rounds thru it and it runs
also it is more accurate than my brothers cmmg gun

anybody who talks trash about oly arms is just talking or a fool

willieH
02-13-2013, 07:56
...The AWB laws are really a joke, and 99 percent politics.

It's no joke, these anti-gun people are for civilian disarmament. They know that repealing the 2nd Amendment is a failed strategy, so they seek a legislative incremental solution. Demonization, misinformation and exploitation are tools to influence support for their agenda. AWB is only one step of many designed to remove firearms from citizens.

Let's be clear that anti-gun people are attempting obliteration of the 2nd amendment through a 'death by a thousand cuts'.

misunderestimated
02-13-2013, 07:59
It's no joke, these anti-gun people are for civilian disarmament. They know that repealing the 2nd Amendment is a failed strategy, so they seek a legislative incremental solution. Demonization, misinformation and exploitation are tools to influence support for their agenda. AWB is only one step of many designed to remove firearms from citizens.

Let's be clear that anti-gun people are attempting obliteration of the 2nd amendment through a 'death by a thousand cuts'.


I could not of said it better

The Joke will be on us as they are moving ahead with disarmament

fnfalman
02-13-2013, 08:07
Once upon a time I had an Oly Arms XM-15 Commando. It was one rough looking mofo, but it worked. Even had a brass bead front sight. I gave it away to one of my old Army buddies and the dude still has it.

fnfalman
02-13-2013, 08:07
Always have to take a dig if it isn't part of the hallowed four? :yawn:

That's because Olympic Arms employees hadn't posted any "credentials" for him to review and approve.:rofl:

bigkrackers
02-13-2013, 10:33
Need to put some pressure on MAGPUL now. They are about to lose their hi cap magazine production as they are manufactured in CO. Time to tell them to put some skin in the game and take a stand. No sales to LE agencies in any state that supports anti-2A laws.

mjkeat
02-13-2013, 13:16
Always have to take a dig if it isn't part of the hallowed four? :yawn:

Seriously? :dunno:


That was a rather piss poor comment Mike. :shame:

Honesty isn't always nice.

I could care less what they do. Does it even matter? How many contracts do they hold w/ fed. state or local .gov? They can give all the lip service they want but if it isn't really affecting their bottom line it means nothing.

I can say I refuse to make sales to any .gov of any state w/ over restrictive gun laws. Does it mean anything? No. Why? Because I don't sell ARs to any .gov.

Now if Colt said no more .gov/.mil contracts filled until the .gov stops the BS that would mean something.

Maybe I'm wrong. Prove it to me. Show me any contracts that DPMS is refusing to fill to a .gov.

Ruggles
02-13-2013, 13:36
Honesty isn't always nice.

I could care less what they do. Does it even matter? How many contracts do they hold w/ fed. state or local .gov? They can give all the lip service they want but if it isn't really affecting their bottom line it means nothing.

I can say I refuse to make sales to any .gov of any state w/ over restrictive gun laws. Does it mean anything? No. Why? Because I don't sell ARs to any .gov.

Now if Colt said no more .gov/.mil contracts filled until the .gov stops the BS that would mean something.

Maybe I'm wrong. Prove it to me. Show me any contracts that DPMS is refusing to fill to a .gov.

Fact is that they have put their $ interest to the side for other beliefs. And instead of receiving praise for their actions they get their product criticized.

As momma said if you don't have anything nice to say...........


Anybody else that puts their companies future potential $ on the line for a moral stand please let us know. I would like to give them praise too. You nor I have no ideal what this may or may not cost Olympic in the future, to base your comments on that alone is silly IMO.

But the way of GT these days it seems is that no matter what is posted somebody has to be the one to find something negative to post about it. :dunno:

The_Gun_Guru
02-13-2013, 13:39
Honesty isn't always nice.

I could care less what they do. Does it even matter? How many contracts do they hold w/ fed. state or local .gov? They can give all the lip service they want but if it isn't really affecting their bottom line it means nothing.

I can say I refuses to make sales to any .gov of any state w/ over restrictive gun laws. Does it mean anything? No. Why? Because I don't sell ARs to any .gov.

Now if Colt said no more .gov/.mil contracts filled until the .gov stops the BS that would mean something.

Maybe I'm wrong. Prove it to me. Show me any contracts that DPMS is refusing to fill to a .gov.

prove it to you? Who are you? Are you a government agency looking for AR 15 rifles?

COLT needs to grow a pair and step up to the plate! Simple as that :-)

we don't need to prove anything to you!


TGG

Bren
02-13-2013, 13:51
I can't figure out what's supposed to be wrong with Olympic Arms - they only seem to be disliked among the mall ninja community, who apparently learned on the internet that they are supposed to dislike them. I have read they they are one of the only companies (maybe THE only) that produce every part of their rifles and they have some pretty cool innovations.

mjkeat
02-13-2013, 14:08
Fact is that they have put their $ interest to the side for other beliefs. And instead of receiving praise for their actions they get their product criticized.

As momma said if you don't have anything nice to say...........


Anybody else that puts their companies future potential $ on the line for a moral stand please let us know. I would like to give them praise too. You nor I have no ideal what this may or may not cost Olympic in the future, to base your comments on that alone is silly IMO.

But the way of GT these days it seems is that no matter what is posted somebody has to be the one to find something negative to post about it. :dunno:

They have? Where, when? Let's see where they've lost revenue from any .gov/.mil contracts.

prove it to you? Who are you? Are you a government agency looking for AR 15 rifles?

COLT needs to grow a pair and step up to the plate! Simple as that :-)

we don't need to prove anything to you!


TGG

I'm just an honest citizen concerned that people are unable to see past the smoke.

If DPMS isn't being affected what weight do their words carry? None.

I agree. I'd like to see Colt do it. Like I said earlier, if Colt did this it would actually mean something.

I can't figure out what's supposed to be wrong with Olympic Arms - they only seem to be disliked among the mall ninja community, who apparently learned on the internet that they are supposed to dislike them. I have read they they are one of the only companies (maybe THE only) that produce every part of their rifles and they have some pretty cool innovations.

Mall ninjas or men that have actually had to use/ still use this style of firearm to preserve/take life? Or even those that actually use their ARs on a regular basis. The use of the phrase mall ninja says a lot about a person.

And you may want to check your info/source. Unlike you I have researched this, I have talked w/ DPMS employees, and experienced their performance when demanded to perform as the platform was designed.

Innovations? Where?

JohnnyReb
02-13-2013, 14:12
I know several LEOs that use Olympic ARs. Wouldn't be my choice but thats what they bought.

whoops dude
02-13-2013, 14:12
I may just pick up one of their rifles when the craziness dies down. Good for them and I hope all other companies follow their lead.

JDSTG58
02-13-2013, 17:37
Did they start making bolt actions?

I won't live in the People's Socialist Democratic Republic of York forever. Just until I can retire.

Ruggles
02-13-2013, 17:52
They have? Where, when? Let's see where they've lost revenue from any .gov/.mil contracts.



I'm just an honest citizen concerned that people are unable to see past the smoke.

If DPMS isn't being affected what weight do their words carry? None.

I agree. I'd like to see Colt do it. Like I said earlier, if Colt did this it would actually mean something.



Mall ninjas or men that have actually had to use/ still use this style of firearm to preserve/take life? Or even those that actually use their ARs on a regular basis. The use of the phrase mall ninja says a lot about a person.

And you may want to check your info/source. Unlike you I have researched this, I have talked w/ DPMS employees, and experienced their performance when demanded to perform as the platform was designed.

Innovations? Where?

Might want to look up the word potential, which is the word I used when speaking of loss revenue. I don't think you can prove potential. Imagine you opened a taco joint, and said you would not sell to redheads. How would you measure that potential loss revenue. When they cut sells off to the government agencies in NY they did just that.

Do you have insight into the contracts for firearm purchase of all NY governmental agencies for the next decade? I sure don't. :dunno: I can say Olympic is a lower price AR, and I would imagine that might appeal to a governmental agency or two when bidding on new firearm contracts in NY.

I would guess this move by Olympic did a heck of a lot more to help the folks in NY push back on this new law than anything you have done, am I wrong? They certainly have me beat! I guess I would just not be critical of others doing more than me to resolve a bad situation. :wavey:

But look at it this way at least you won't have to wait behind us when we are in line looking to buy an Olympic is support of them :tongueout:

SpringerTGO
02-13-2013, 18:19
What exactly is Kimber doing?
If they moved their operations to a gun friendly state, it would make quite a statement.

glock2740
02-13-2013, 18:30
http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/article145521.htm

Let's hope more gun manufacturers stand up to state politicians.....:tongueout:
Good for them. I applaude that.
Good. Would like to see all the companies do this
I couldn't agree more.

Annhl8rX
02-13-2013, 19:31
Really?

:faint:

Yeah, really. There may be some out there. But I've never heard of a single agency issuing Olympics.

Annhl8rX
02-13-2013, 19:34
Never fails on GT. A company does something good and somebody has to post some numbskull and negative comment about it. Just plain sad. :upeyes:

I'm not being negative. I like what they're doing. I just think it's akin to my seventh grade boycott of Pepsi because they sponsored Jeff Gordon. I never drank Pepsi anyway, so it really wasn't much of a sacrifice. I doubt Olympic does much LE business in NY. It's nice gesture, but is probably more symbolic than anything.

joecoastie
02-13-2013, 19:55
Maybe a column for "Told NY To Screw Off" needs to be added to "THE CHART".

mjkeat
02-13-2013, 20:21
Might want to look up the word potential, which is the word I used when speaking of loss revenue. I don't think you can prove potential. Imagine you opened a taco joint, and said you would not sell to redheads. How would you measure that potential loss revenue. When they cut sells off to the government agencies in NY they did just that.

Do you have insight into the contracts for firearm purchase of all NY governmental agencies for the next decade? I sure don't. :dunno: I can say Olympic is a lower price AR, and I would imagine that might appeal to a governmental agency or two when bidding on new firearm contracts in NY.

I would guess this move by Olympic did a heck of a lot more to help the folks in NY push back on this new law than anything you have done, am I wrong? They certainly have me beat! I guess I would just not be critical of others doing more than me to resolve a bad situation. :wavey:

But look at it this way at least you won't have to wait behind us when we are in line looking to buy an Olympic is support of them :tongueout:

Like you said "potential" is not something we can prove. That said we can what if this all day long.

Now lets look into an contracts DPMS has ever had w/ any .gov/.mil in NY. Have they had any? Can project future sales based on past sales? Lots of companies do. Things like, based on sales from the previous 3 years our projected sales for this December are xyz.

So based on DPMS's sales to NY .gov what is their projected lost revenue?

I have never sold a rifle to anyone in NY. If I told NY to kick rocks it's simply lip service and holds no weight. Now if I had a million dollar a year, 10 year contract w/ NY and told them to take a leep it would mean something.

Like I said in my first post here, I tip my hat at their gesture in following what other companies had already done.

mjkeat
02-13-2013, 20:22
I'm not being negative. I like what they're doing. I just think it's akin to my seventh grade boycott of Pepsi because they sponsored Jeff Gordon. I never drank Pepsi anyway, so it really wasn't much of a sacrifice. I doubt Olympic does much LE business in NY. It's nice gesture, but is probably more symbolic than anything.

This^

Someone actually gets it.

Ruggles
02-13-2013, 20:43
Like you said "potential" is not something we can prove. That said we can what if this all day long.

Now lets look into an contracts DPMS has ever had w/ any .gov/.mil in NY. Have they had any? Can project future sales based on past sales? Lots of companies do. Things like, based on sales from the previous 3 years our projected sales for this December are xyz.

So based on DPMS's sales to NY .gov what is their projected lost revenue?

I have never sold a rifle to anyone in NY. If I told NY to kick rocks it's simply lip service and holds no weight. Now if I had a million dollar a year, 10 year contract w/ NY and told them to take a leep it would mean something.

Like I said in my first post here, I tip my hat at their gesture in following what other companies had already done.

Like you just said no one knows what this move will cost Olympic. In fact now that they have made this move no one ever will. Maybe it cost them nothing, maybe it cost them millions. None of us know, but it seems Olympic was willing to risk it :wavey:

All the more reason the give them kudos IMO.

Ruggles
02-13-2013, 20:44
This^

Someone actually gets it.

Carry on. We just are going to have to disagree on this one I guess.

bigkrackers
02-13-2013, 21:00
They just went a step further:

Now, Olympic Arms has drawn another line in the sand, calling out the Fraternal Order of Police when they were solicited to advertise in a FOP publication.
The following was posted to Olympic Arms Facebook page.


Olympic Arms was recently asked to advertise in the FOP Journal; the official magazine of the Fraternal Order of Police. It is well known that the FOP is a staunch supporter of Gun Control, had backed the AWB under Bill Clinton, and supports the current AWB under consideration that was introduced by Diane Feinstein. The FOP was actually accredited as being one of the sources that helped prepare the language of Gun Control suggestions that were forwarded by Vice President Biden. Below is a copy of our response to the FOP Journal:
Please forward this email to every major principal in your organization. Note, the post was reformatted to better fit this website.
AS:
1. The Fraternal Order of Police is on Congressional Record as having been a major supporter of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban.
2. As a matter of fact and record, the FOP is accredited with assisting VP Biden in formulating the language of the newly proposed ban
3. Additionally, as a matter of fact and public record, the FOP is in support of the newly recommended Assault Weapons Ban introduced by Senator Feinstein.
a. FOP representatives were actually standing on the Stage during the presentation as a sign of “support”.
THEREFORE:
Olympic Arms, Inc, manufacturers of AR15 type firearms, firearms that these legislators would call “Assault Weapons”, will not be supporting in any way, shape, form or fashion, The Fraternal Order of Police, any organization that represents, supports, takes advertising dollars from, spends advertising dollars with, is in anyway related to, any individual who is a card carrying member of, or any person or entity in any way associated with the Fraternal Order of Police. Period.
Henceforth;
- Be assured that Olympic Arms will not rest in its efforts to educate our customers, fans and followers the extent of the hypocrisy committed by the FOP and FOP Journal (fighting to outlaw the firearms produced by the very companies they now solicit for advertising dollars…). You can also be certain that we continue to make every effort to properly educate the firearms consumer in general, of the same.
- Additionally, we will make continued efforts at assure that ALL firearms manufacturers are aware of the FOP’s support to strip Constitutional Rights from Americans, and their support of further unconstitutional gun control legislation.
- We pledge to inform all of our customers the lengths that the FOP and associated FOP affiliates by proxy (which includes all your advertisers)are willing to go to in order to strip the American Citizen of their Constitutional Rights, while at the same time writing in exemptions to the same legislation to ensure that their members maintain those same rights they would have stripped from others.
- Your actions are the actions of a rogue organization supporting tyranny, not an organization sworn to uphold the laws of the land, to protect, serve and defend their constituencies.
Let it be know, that your actions are reprehensible and shameful.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/vp-biden-says-he-needs-cops-help-to-reinstate-assault-weapons-ban-and-much-more/
http://www.guncite.com/aswpolice.html

Sincerely,
Thomas A. Spithaler
Sales & Marketing Dir.
Olympic Arms, Inc.

Ruggles
02-13-2013, 21:19
I await the negative post about their latest actions in defense of the 2nd A. No doubt those posts will come.

Bravo Olympic Arms on your actions....again.

Bren
02-14-2013, 05:26
Mall ninjas or men that have actually had to use/ still use this style of firearm to preserve/take life? Or even those that actually use their ARs on a regular basis. The use of the phrase mall ninja says a lot about a person.


Yep, I meant mall ninjas. My rifles are issued by the Army, my brothers are from the state police. The people who hang out on the internet talking brand names of AR's are "mall ninjas."

My guess would be that you are not "those that use this style of firearm to preserve/take life."

:mallninja:

And you may want to check your info/source. Unlike you I have researched this, I have talked w/ DPMS employees, and experienced their performance when demanded to perform as the platform was designed.

Innovations? Where?

Do you really not understand how people can tell?:mallninja:
:rofl:

By the way, when did DPMS buy Olympic Arms - not sure what that's supposed to mean.

willieH
02-14-2013, 06:40
... I'm just an honest citizen concerned that people are unable to see past the smoke.

... If DPMS isn't being affected what weight do their words carry? None.

Before we get lost in the "smoke" and let petty bickering divide 2A supporters take a look at NY's SAFE Act. (http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms) It expands the definition of "assault weapons" and immediately bans semi-automatic pistols and rifles with detachable magazines and one military style feature; shotguns with similar features are included. Grandfathered firearms must be registered and recertified every five years. These firearm can only be sold out of state or through a federal firearm licensee.

Magazine limited to 7 rounds. This law also bans possession of pre-1994 high cap mags, giving owners one year to sell or forfeit to authorities. Oh, you can keep the grandfathered 10 round mags as long as you only load 7 rounds.

Ammunition purchases will be tracked by requiring state background checks and transmission of records to state police. High volume purchases will require the dealer to "alert" the police to your purchase. Online purchases will have to go through State Registered dealers who will also require a background check.

There is more to the law, but what is equally alarming are the measures that were left out (http://www.policymic.com/articles/23757/new-york-gun-control-law-exposed-15-more-measures-left-out-of-final-bill) of the final bill. These are the actions that gun control advocates really want and will seek to add to the law.

1. Confiscation of "assault weapons"
2. Confiscation of ten round clips
3. Statewide database for ALL Guns
4. Continue to allow pistol permit holder's information to be replaced to the public
5. Label semiautomatic shotguns with more than 5 rounds or pistol grips as "assault weapons”
6. Limit the number of rounds in a magazine to 5 and confiscation and forfeiture of banned magazines
7. Limit possession to no more than two (2) magazines
8. Limit purchase of guns to one gun per person per month
9. Require re-licensing of all pistol permit owners
10. Require renewal of all pistol permits every five years
11. State issued pistol permits
12. Micro-stamping of all guns in New York State
13. Require licensing of all gun ammo dealers
14. Mandatory locking of guns at home
15. Fee for licensing, registering weapons

NYC residents are so helplessly beat down that they passively acquiesce to the Mayor restricting how much soft drink they are "allowed" to buy. It doesn't take a genius to understand the implications of gun control legislation spreading between the coasts. Any business that can read political graffiti knows that their very existence is being challenged. Olympic Arms will go up in "smoke" if these gun confiscation advocates have their way. Empty gesture, I don't think so.

WASRfan
02-14-2013, 08:58
They have? Where, when? Let's see where they've lost revenue from any .gov/.mil contracts.

<snip>

Innovations? Where?

Someone close to Oly posted a list of sorts in a related thread as to the quiet deals they have/had with .GOV and .MIL and .IDF. Oly has always operated on the DL what with deals with other AR makers to provide lowers and parts, and with govts.

That plus not spending for advertising bux on ARFCOM and M4rgery.net will hurt ones rep - as you well know... Maybe if they bought banners at ARFCOM on a reg basis??

Innovations? AFAIK; first with a pistol AR, billet recvr AR, 7.62x39 AR, several wildcat cal ARs, railed AR.

Ancient history that clings like stink - their long-ended experiment with cast lowers offered to lure the home-builders and casual AR shooters - sounded like a good idea at the time. Hobbyist assembly issues - permanent bad rep.

I don't work for Oly, could give a schnitt. But - like the pointless WASR-hate on the 'net; the repitition of old/dead info/tales/hearsay gets reeeeeeal tireseome.

As for others;

Magpul has thrown down the glove to CO - let's see if Remmy, Kimber, ATI, Kahr, Numrich do the same with Cooumo-land;

http://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/428803833863947

Larue has also stated that they will only sell 2A-approved items to LEOs - nuthin special for LEOs that Joe Citizen can't readily get.

fnfalman
02-14-2013, 09:14
Yep, I meant mall ninjas. My rifles are issued by the Army, my brothers are from the state police. The people who hang out on the internet talking brand names of AR's are "mall ninjas."

According to him, he served in the Army and cleared a village or two. So one can surmise that the M4 or whatever Uncle Sam issued to him at such time was put to good use (i.e. taking lives/defending lives).

My guess would be that you are not "those that use this style of firearm to preserve/take life."

:mallninja:


I'd like to know how many hajis/terrorists/Hells Angels/thugs/armed robbers/gangstas he had smoked since he left the Army with his privately owned jazzed up Mattel Toy.

Do you really not understand how people can tell?:mallninja:
:rofl:

Usually people can tell when others began to spout about "serious use" and "not toys" and training for "combat" even though they aren't doing any of the above.

A GI who is on garrison duty isn't in "combat". A veteran who isn't a cop or a deployed National Guard/Reservist, isn't doing any "combat" either.

RYT 2BER
02-14-2013, 14:27
Only hope other companies join in.

Glockaround the Clock
02-14-2013, 14:57
Good for them , I will plan on getting one pf there guns in the near future.

CBennett
02-14-2013, 15:37
If their stuff is(ive heard no can anyone verify??) any good id get it just to support them. Nice to see people/businesses taking a stand. Now that said if they dont make good guns I would never be able to justify a purchase.

mrsurfboard
02-14-2013, 16:32
Unless Glock, Sig Sauer, S&W and H&K follow suit, this will mean nothing. And as 3 of these companies are European companies, I highly doubt they would.

RYT 2BER
02-14-2013, 17:04
Unless Glock, Sig Sauer, S&W and H&K follow suit, this will mean nothing. And as 3 of these companies are European companies, I highly doubt they would.

You're wrong.

It does mean something. It means that there still are some good people out there with some balls willing to take a stand. The fact that some folks on this board don't see that is telling and sad.

Again. Good for them :thumbsup:

Happypuppy
02-14-2013, 17:04
Good for them. As a resident of Washington State I am more than happy to support a fine company that supports our rights

mrsurfboard
02-14-2013, 17:17
You're wrong.

It does mean something. It means that there still are some good people out there with some balls willing to take a stand. The fact that some folks on this board don't see that is telling and sad.

Again. Good for them :thumbsup:

It won't mean anything to the NYS legislature and that's all that counts.

RYT 2BER
02-14-2013, 19:30
It won't mean anything to the NYS legislature and that's all that counts.

Again totally wrong.

I won't debate it with you. You won't get it.

mjkeat
02-15-2013, 21:49
Anyone have any links to any contracts Oly has had w/ any NY .gov or .mil? I'm more than willing to change my tune but I see no reason to. Anyone can say they won't sell to whoever they want but if they weren't selling to them in the first place what difference does it make? It means nothing.

Now what Magpul is doing actually has weight to it. They actually make a product used by shooters. They're not just giving lip service like Oly.

Pistol ARs are not an innovation, they are useless. Billet receivers, not as good as forged receivers. 7.62x39 and wildcat ARs, blah.

While you all get diverted by Olys lip service the people really making a difference go unnoticed.

Ruggles
02-15-2013, 21:58
Anyone have any links to any contracts Oly has had w/ any NY .gov or .mil? I'm more than willing to change my tune but I see no reason to. Anyone can say they won't sell to whoever they want but if they weren't selling to them in the first place what difference does it make? It means nothing.

Now what Magpul is doing actually has weight to it. They actually make a product used by shooters. They're not just giving lip service like Oly.

Pistol ARs are not an innovation, they are useless. Billet receivers, not as good as forged receivers. 7.62x39 and wildcat ARs, blah.

While you all get diverted by Olys lip service the people really making a difference go unnoticed.

Can we at least agree that what Olympic has done in regards to NY is a lot more constructive than all of their nay sayers on this thread combined have done in regard to NY?

Who gives a rats butt what contracts they have or had, they gave up any possible future ones. That is a cold hard fact rather you or any other self appointed expert on the buying patterns of NY law enforcement agencies understand that or not. You simply can not say that no agencies in NY were not going to buy any ARs from Olympic in the future. You can say it was very unlikely but to say that they gave up nothing as there was no chance is conjecture on your part pure and simple.

You want proof they lost contracts in NY? I don't have it. Why don't you post proof they had no chance to ever get one in NY?

HAIL CAESAR
02-15-2013, 21:58
I wish tactical college kids would actual do something.

WASRfan
02-16-2013, 00:01
Anyone have any links to any contracts Oly has had w/ any NY .gov or .mil? I'm more than willing to change my tune but I see no reason to. Anyone can say they won't sell to whoever they want but if they weren't selling to them in the first place what difference does it make? It means nothing.

Now what Magpul is doing actually has weight to it. They actually make a product used by shooters. They're not just giving lip service like Oly.

Pistol ARs are not an innovation, they are useless. Billet receivers, not as good as forged receivers. 7.62x39 and wildcat ARs, blah.

While you all get diverted by Olys lip service the people really making a difference go unnoticed.

You have time on your hands; google around for the thread where this was just discussed within the past week. I didn't see it on this board, but one of any of the other dozens that have an AR subforum and/or "RKBA" discussion subforums.

Just so you won't be disappointed - IIRC; they didn't specify quantities or contract numbers to the IDF or USA entities.

This kind of info is always contractually hidden; imagine the embarrassment if some chart-topper was revealed to have Oly DNA under the roll marks.

The point of some of the stuff Oly has brought to the party can not be lost on the fact that when the only other big, in-house AR player in the USA at the time besides SGW/Oly - Colt - went all PC on us gunowners and abandoned us, Oly did not.

That makes SGW/Oly the oldest, continuous producer/supplier of complete and kit ARs to us consumers.

So as much as you or anyone at ARFCOM want to hate on Oly; when DD and BCM were still twinkles in someone's eye; Oly had already been cranking out ARs for decades.

Back to our regular program - York Arms has also told NY to ES&die.

That makes Oly and York specific to NY, rhetorically - where's Remmy, Kimber, Numrich, Kahr, ATI, in the fight?

mjkeat
02-16-2013, 09:38
What they are doing is great. They have canceled so many contracts it's amazing. They really sacrificed revenue and put their money where their mouth is. And they have been doing it the longest which obviously makes them the best at it. Those newer companies like BCM and DD don't have a clue.



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JackMac
02-16-2013, 10:12
Wish ammo manufacturers would stop their sales to government agencies. Eventually, imagine that they would evolve into throwing rocks

LL6
02-16-2013, 10:15
What they are doing is great. They have canceled so many contracts it's amazing. They really sacrificed revenue and put their money where their mouth is. And they have been doing it the longest which obviously makes them the best at it. Those newer companies like BCM and DD don't have a clue.



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What does it matter who started the state boycott? I'm glad someone did. What's important is that it was started and it is spreading slowly but surely.

Also don't forget Magpul would be much more affected than Olympic for no other reason if the CO Bill passed as written CO would become toxic to their business.

dkf
02-16-2013, 10:26
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/15/group-of-second-amendment-supporting-gun-makers-now-refusing-to-sell-arms-to-law-enforcement-in-new-york-and-other-gun-restricting-states/

AZson
02-16-2013, 13:15
We would welcome them here to sunny AZ.

mjkeat
02-16-2013, 14:23
What does it matter who started the state boycott? I'm glad someone did. What's important is that it was started and it is spreading slowly but surely.

Also don't forget Magpul would be much more affected than Olympic for no other reason if the CO Bill passed as written CO would become toxic to their business.

The post you quoted was sarcasm.

It doesn't so much matter who started it as it does people prancing around claiming that Oly started it. And most importantly it matters that Oly is playing the lip service game. If it actually effected their bottom line it would be a different story.



Larue, Magpul, now Midway. Companies that will actually make an impact.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/robert-farago/midway-no-leo-mag-and-ammo-sales-where-civilian-bans-apply/

Beanie-Bean
02-16-2013, 14:47
Larue, Magpul, now Midway. Companies that will actually make an impact.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/robert-farago/midway-no-leo-mag-and-ammo-sales-where-civilian-bans-apply/

Thanks for the note regarding Midway USA! I love those guys for my reloading components, magazines, parts, tools, etc.

Good to see them supporting this direction! I've recently purchased a Ruger SR-556, and a Yankee Hill lower for a build project (thankfully, both before the madness started!) and am saving for a LaRue OBR when they can get caught up on their backorder. Of course, I'll also be supporting Magpul for their PMags and furniture, too!

You just made my day when you mentioned Midway, though!

Ruggles
02-16-2013, 15:56
The post you quoted was sarcasm.

It doesn't so much matter who started it as it does people prancing around claiming that Oly started it. And most importantly it matters that Oly is playing the lip service game. If it actually effected their bottom line it would be a different story.



Larue, Magpul, now Midway. Companies that will actually make an impact.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/robert-farago/midway-no-leo-mag-and-ammo-sales-where-civilian-bans-apply/

Let's stop talking about what the president of Olympic has or has not done or risked to counter the mess in NY. Let's move onto what you have done or risked to counter the mess in NY......fill me in on that please :wavey:

I mean you posted "It means nothing" in regards to what Olympic is doing. I can only assume that is coming from a guy who is doing something that means something. Otherwise that would make you a hypocritical internet keyboard commando belittling what others are doing to try and help as you do even less would it not?

fnfalman
02-16-2013, 16:00
Let's stop talking about what the president of Olympic has or has not done or risked to counter the mess in NY. Let's move onto what you have done or risked to counter the mess in NY......fill me in on that please :wavey:

Oooh...the gaunlet had been thrown.

Ruggles
02-16-2013, 16:13
Oooh...the gaunlet had been thrown.

More of a "if you are going to call a guy for not helping enough you better be helping more than him" kinda of thing. Least that is how I was raised. :dunno:

Aceman
02-16-2013, 20:37
I am a New Yorker and I agree with there position

I just posted this on Glocks face book Page

Originally I had appealed to Glock asking them not to abandon us New Yorkers, I had asked that they make a 7 round magazine so that the new Law passed in New York making anything over a 7 round magazine illegal would not become whats its intended purpose was and actual Gun Ban as Glock only make one gun that New Yorkers could now purchase new.

Well I have changed my position and I feel Glock and the other manufacturers of Fire arms should make it clear to our over reaching government that if they shut down civilian sales then the manufacturers will shut down all sales and service to the state.

So now I am asking Glock to Please take the same stance as Olympic Arms and the others and send a clear message to Andrew Cuomo if you make unconstitutional laws it will effect the way the state can effect there business. Governor Andrew Cuomo already made it clear he did not have an interest in the brave Law Enforcement officials who work to keep us safe by not even excluding them from the bad legislation. So please Glock send the same message to the politicians of New York you will not sell to anybody in New York.

Thank You
Larry Savino .
GSSF member # 76283



Please take the time to let Glock know how you would feel if they took the same position with New York sales as the other manufacturers are taking. Originally every one thought this was only going to be a New York and California thing but its pretty clear the agenda is to make it national.



weather or not you realize it or not we are all in it together

Nothing personal - but I really hope Glock doesn't do that.

Aceman
02-16-2013, 20:41
Cheaper than Dirt - evil gouger - Out
Olympic, will be at the top of the list should I be interested in getting something sell.

HAIL CAESAR
02-16-2013, 20:59
Nothing personal - but I really hope Glock doesn't do that.

It woul be ideal if all firearm companies would do the same. If they do get their hands on the firearms the. The companies will not honor any warranty or service.

12131
02-16-2013, 21:16
Never fails on GT. A company does something good and somebody has to post some numbskull and negative comment about it. Just plain sad. :upeyes:
Yep, and just quickly scanning through this thread only confirms what I already predicted before I even opened the thread. The same "tier 1" bad ass fanboys who couldn't wait to jump on and bash the so-called "bottom tier" makers. They're so predictable. They make me :puking:

:rofl:

HAIL CAESAR
02-16-2013, 21:30
Yep, and just quickly scanning through this thread only confirms what I already predicted before I even opened the thread. The same "tier 1" bad ass fanboys who couldn't wait to jump on and bash the so-called "bottom tier" makers. They're so predictable. They make me :puking:

:rofl:

I thought the exact same thing.

Ruggles
02-17-2013, 01:36
Yep, and just quickly scanning through this thread only confirms what I already predicted before I even opened the thread. The same "tier 1" bad ass fanboys who couldn't wait to jump on and bash the so-called "bottom tier" makers. They're so predictable. They make me :puking:

:rofl:

It is impressive that some of these guys have time to be bad mofo operators saving the world day in day out with their trusty AR15s and still find time to share their wisdom and experiences with us on a free and anonymous firearms forum. Truly generous of them IMO.

Of course what is equally impressive is that if you look at the vast majority of pictures some of them post of their ARs, well those rifles are mighty well preserved looking to me. Almost like they spend most of their time in a safe or something as opposed to undergoing the rough and ready combat that only certain brands of ARs can endure :dunno:

NEOH212
02-17-2013, 02:40
Good. Would like to see all the companies do this

:agree:

CMG
02-17-2013, 09:29
Perhaps if we made a CHART showing which companies have had the guts to stand up?

Yes, Colt, who caves at a stiff wind from a lib-tards blow hole, would be at the very bottom...

Ruggles
02-17-2013, 09:40
Perhaps if we made a CHART showing which companies have had the guts to stand up?

Yes, Colt, who caves at a stiff wind from a lib-tards blow hole, would be at the very bottom...

Ouch, now that should get you a response :rofl:

RYT 2BER
02-17-2013, 11:53
It is impressive that some of these guys have time to be bad mofo operators saving the world day in day out with their trusty AR15s and still find time to share their wisdom and experiences with us on a free and anonymous firearms forum. Truly generous of them IMO.

Of course what is equally impressive is that if you look at the vast majority of pictures some of them post of their ARs, well those rifles are mighty well preserved looking to me. Almost like they spend most of their time in a safe or something as opposed to undergoing the rough and ready combat that only certain brands of ARs can endure :dunno:

Not sure what your post even means.

Standing up for our rights has nothing to do with how much wear and tear a guy has on his gun.

Quite frankly in much more impressed with an ardent supporter of the 2a whose joining groups and sending money and making their voice heard than some miserable f-ing FUDD that has a beaten up shotgun and thinks ar's should be banned.

Maybe you should think about it.

Ruggles
02-17-2013, 12:50
iPhone error edit!

Ruggles
02-17-2013, 12:55
Not sure what your post even means.

Standing up for our rights has nothing to do with how much wear and tear a guy has on his gun.

Quite frankly in much more impressed with an ardent supporter of the 2a whose joining groups and sending money and making their voice heard than some miserable f-ing FUDD that has a beaten up shotgun and thinks ar's should be banned.

Maybe you should think about it.

Not sure what is unclear about my post. Some folks on here have hyper inflated beliefs in themselves. The same kinda of guys that tell bull crap stories in bars to look like the guy they wish there were. These are some of the same guys slamming Olympic for what they did. Makes no sense to me.

I never said wear and tear had anything to do with support of gun rights. Not sure how to make what I said any cleaner.

willieH
02-17-2013, 13:49
In front of our very eyes we’re watching the strangulation of our Second Amendment Rights. The desire of these “gun control” thugs is to confiscate your firearms and establish an unarmed citizenry. Their goal is masked with deceptive “anti gun violence” rhetoric. It’s a common tactic to mischaracterize the problem with a false premise; removing violent people from our communities actually accomplishes the goal.

The genius of 2nd Amendment is to ensure that an oppressive tyrannical government could be checked by an armed citizenry. Once again, the anti-gun supporters have used twisted logic and misdirection by including “hunting” traditions and completely ignore the intent of the constitutional framers and who specifically ended the amendment with, “… shall not be infringed.”

To reverse this latest disarmament effort we need each other’s support and encouragement for those who publicly speak out.
If we divide ourselves with idiotic bickering, then we dilute our collective efforts.

mjkeat
02-17-2013, 16:34
Let's stop talking about what the president of Olympic has or has not done or risked to counter the mess in NY. Let's move onto what you have done or risked to counter the mess in NY......fill me in on that please :wavey:

I mean you posted "It means nothing" in regards to what Olympic is doing. I can only assume that is coming from a guy who is doing something that means something. Otherwise that would make you a hypocritical internet keyboard commando belittling what others are doing to try and help as you do even less would it not?

Pointing out Olys empty words in no way makes me a hypocrite regardless of what I have done. I am not belittling their words. I pointed out the fact that Oly is just playing the lip service game.

Now if I am wrong and Oly stands to loose any revenue, then I'm wrong. I am quite confident my words stand true.

I do take note of companies like Magpul, Larue, and now Midway USA that are refusing to sell to these states. They actually make sales to these states.

HAIL CAESAR
02-17-2013, 16:43
MJKEAT, Shouldn't you be making battle plans and fantasizing about when the rebel hordes invade your college campus and you single handily fight them off with your trusty BCM.

Ruggles
02-17-2013, 16:45
Pointing out Olys empty words in no way makes me a hypocrite regardless of what I have done. I am not belittling their words. I pointed out the fact that Oly is just playing the lip service game.

Now if I am wrong and Oly stands to loose any revenue, then I'm wrong. I am quite confident my words stand true.

I do take note of companies like Magpul, Larue, and now Midway USA that are refusing to sell to these states. They actually make sales to these states.

Like I said Olympic has done more to push back on the NY mess than 99% of the folks criticizing them for it. That speaks for itself when placing value on the negative comments being made about Olympic by some. You call it lip service but again that is simply and purely conjecture on your part, nothing more.

Why don't you tell me about the next ten years of firearm purchases by NY state and local agencies regarding firearms? Break it down by model, quantity and brand if you will please.

If you can't then you can't exclude Olympic from losing possible sales can you? Not sure why that is so difficult for you to admit.

It is irrelevant at the end of the day, the vast majority of folks on here are giving Olympic the positive credit they are due IMO. I have been on here long enough to know that regardless of what the subject matter its there will be nay sayers. Nothing new about that. Not sure why that is as some things just do not have a downside. I have yet to see anyone post a single downside to this action by Olympic. Is there one? If not then why be critical of it at all? :dunno:

mjkeat
02-17-2013, 16:46
Yep, and just quickly scanning through this thread only confirms what I already predicted before I even opened the thread. The same "tier 1" bad ass fanboys who couldn't wait to jump on and bash the so-called "bottom tier" makers. They're so predictable. They make me :puking:

:rofl:

You're the only one using the word "tier." What does "tier" have to do w/ this thread? Nothing. The simple truth is Oly stands to loose nothing by this new policy of theirs. It is simply lip service.

Talking about predictability, it is quite predictable that this would happen here. It's predictable that posters would get so flustered over the truth. Maybe instead of stroking Oly for their lip service we take notice of the companies who are really putting their profit margins on the line.

mjkeat
02-17-2013, 16:56
Like I said Olympic has done more to push back on the NY mess than 99% of the folks criticizing them for it. That speaks for itself when placing value on the negative comments being made about Olympic by some.

It is irrelevant at the end of the day, the vast majority of folks on here are giving Olympic the positive credit they are due IMO. I have been on here long enough to know that regardless of what the subject matter its there will be nay sayers. Nothing new about that. Not sure why that is as some things just do not have a downside. I have yet to see anyone post a single downside to this action by Olympic. Is there one? If not then why be critical of it at all? :dunno:

If you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I gave Oly a pat on the back. The truth remains that their words are mostly hollow. I'm not a "naysayer" I'm a truth teller.

My example - If I made a statement that I would no longer make sales of ARs to NY state it would mean nothing. Why? Because I don't sale ARs to NY state to begin with. If I sold $100 million in ARs to NY then stated I would no longer sale NY ARs until they overturn dangerous legislation that would mean something. Do you see the difference?

What have they done? Nothing. All they have done it make a statement that they would continue to do what they have always done, not sell ARs to .gov .mil. in NY.

Like If said numerous times, show me where Oly has made substantial sales to NY government agencies and I'll stand corrected.

jdavionic
02-17-2013, 17:05
Good for them. Likewise, I don't know why companies deal with California.

mjkeat
02-17-2013, 17:10
Another company, Smith Enterprise, that has stated they will not make sales to NY agencies.
http://smithenterpriseinc.blogspot.com/2013/02/smith-enterprise-letter-to-governor.html

jdavionic
02-17-2013, 17:15
Another company, Smith Enterprise, that has stated they will not make sales to NY agencies.
http://smithenterpriseinc.blogspot.com/2013/02/smith-enterprise-letter-to-governor.html

The interesting part of Olympic's announcement is that no longer are they discontinuing sales, but they are stopping any customer support. I'd be curious to know whether that really means anything - i.e., does the NY gov't rely on them for customer support?

Ruggles
02-17-2013, 17:20
If you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I gave Oly a pat on the back. The truth remains that their words are mostly hollow. I'm not a "naysayer" I'm a truth teller.

My example - If I made a statement that I would no longer make sales of ARs to NY state it would mean nothing. Why? Because I don't sale ARs to NY state to begin with. If I sold $100 million in ARs to NY then stated I would no longer sale NY ARs until they overturn dangerous legislation that would mean something. Do you see the difference?

What have they done? Nothing. All they have done it make a statement that they would continue to do what they have always done, not sell ARs to .gov .mil. in NY.

Like If said numerous times, show me where Oly has made substantial sales to NY government agencies and I'll stand corrected.


Still waiting for my future breakdown of firearms sales to NY local and state agencies by brand, model and quantity. Unless you can provide that for the next 5-10 years then you point that they have risked and lost nothing is pointless and nothing but conjecture. You entire logic is based on past and current sales. What about future sales? Did Olympic risk anything there?

The entire act of any boycott is heavily geared towards negatively impacting future sales. This one is no different.

AtlantaR6
02-17-2013, 17:21
Regardless of their loss of revenue, it makes a point and others are following suit. Good for them for starting the snowball even though they had the smallest piece to give. (maybe)

Ruggles
02-17-2013, 17:23
If you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I gave Oly a pat on the back. The truth remains that their words are mostly hollow. I'm not a "naysayer" I'm a truth teller.

My example - If I made a statement that I would no longer make sales of ARs to NY state it would mean nothing. Why? Because I don't sale ARs to NY state to begin with. If I sold $100 million in ARs to NY then stated I would no longer sale NY ARs until they overturn dangerous legislation that would mean something. Do you see the difference?

What have they done? Nothing. All they have done it make a statement that they would continue to do what they have always done, not sell ARs to .gov .mil. in NY.

Like If said numerous times, show me where Oly has made substantial sales to NY government agencies and I'll stand corrected.

Clearly you are not merely a truth teller, you are a seer who has clear vision into the future and know without a doubt Olympic was not going to sell anything to NY anyways. Can you hook me up with some lotto number for next week? Superbowl winner in 2014, 2015, 2016?

LL6
02-17-2013, 17:48
If you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I gave Oly a pat on the back. ...
It was a backhanded compliment. Very different from a pat on the back. :wavey:

Ruggles
02-17-2013, 17:52
It was a backhanded compliment. Very different from a pat on the back. :wavey:

"Others have already done this. Although Oly is just following suite it's good to see. I would rather see Olys in the hands of bad guys than law abiding citizens. Olys have earned every once of their reputation."

What ever are you talking about? :whistling:


:rofl:

mjkeat
02-17-2013, 17:54
Clearly you are not merely a truth teller, you are a seer who has clear vision into the future and know without a doubt Olympic was not going to sell anything to NY anyways. Can you hook me up with some lotto number for next week? Superbowl winner in 2014, 2015, 2016?

Lol, now you're having to make false argument.

Can we not predict future trends by those of the past?

As far as the next winners of the Super Bowl, it will be the team w/ the criminal that got off w/o appropriate punishment playing for them.

Ruggles
02-17-2013, 18:01
Lol, now you're having to make false argument.

Can we not predict future trends by those of the past?

As far as the next winners of the Super Bowl, it will be the team w/ the criminal that got off w/o appropriate punishment playing for them.


I say potential lost sales, you say no loss sales in regards to the future and my argument is false? Sounds like conjecture on one of our parts......:dunno:

Regardless as I said I would not call out anybody trying to help in a situation if I were not doing more than them myself to help. But that's just me. :wavey:

jdavionic
02-17-2013, 18:05
Just curious...is there a way to find out contract awards for state and city gov't? I tried a few google searches, thought I found a pdf with the info, but just kept getting errors noting the link was no longer there. It seems like that ought to be public info.

mjkeat
02-17-2013, 18:08
I say potential lost sales, you say no loss sales in regards to the future and my argument is false? Sounds like conjecture on one of our parts......:dunno:

Regardless as I said I would not call out anybody trying to help in a situation if I were not doing more than them myself to help. But that's just me. :wavey:

I said we can predict the future by examining the past.

Anything is more in this case.

mjkeat
02-17-2013, 18:24
Magpul, "We're hearing some rumors that the Gov and the Dem caucus think we are bluffing. Just to clarify for them, then...we're not a political company. We dont play political games. We've made our position very clear, very publicly. We would not survive lying to our customer base, nor would we ever consider it. If you pass this, we will leave, and you will own it. We've already got plans in place to get PMAG manufacturing moved rapidly, and the rest of the company will follow. We will make sure to at least have a small remain-behind operation through the 2014 elections so that we can remind folks why we are gone."

https://www.facebook.com/#!/magpul

jdavionic
02-17-2013, 18:30
Magpul, "We're hearing some rumors that the Gov and the Dem caucus think we are bluffing. Just to clarify for them, then...we're not a political company. We dont play political games. We've made our position very clear, very publicly. We would not survive lying to our customer base, nor would we ever consider it. If you pass this, we will leave, and you will own it. We've already got plans in place to get PMAG manufacturing moved rapidly, and the rest of the company will follow. We will make sure to at least have a small remain-behind operation through the 2014 elections so that we can remind folks why we are gone."

https://www.facebook.com/#!/magpul

Okay...I would assume that ^ would impact NY.

mjkeat
02-17-2013, 18:42
Okay...I would assume that ^ would impact NY.

Never said it would. It is a good example of a company doing something.

LL6
02-18-2013, 07:39
Never said it would. It is a good example of a company doing something.

Magpul's situation is very different than Olympic's, but you know that. So why the difference in your level of compliments?

raven11
02-18-2013, 07:57
Magpul's situation is very different than Olympic's, but you know that. So why the difference in your level of compliments?


Because in mjkeat's world, Magpul is Tier 1 tacti-cool

mjkeat
02-18-2013, 09:54
Magpul's situation is very different than Olympic's, but you know that. So why the difference in your level of compliments?

Have I not already stated this many times in this thread. If you want to be part of the conversation, be part of the conversation. Poking your head in occasionally asking questions that have already received answers is counter productive.

Magpul is threatening to actually do something. Closing up shop and moving out of state is a lot different than saying you're not going to sell something you didn't sell in the first place.

CMG
02-18-2013, 12:08
Magpul's situation is very different than Olympic's, but you know that. So why the difference in your level of compliments?

Because they stepped in it with their first post slamming OA, and weren't mature enough to simply admit it.

Apparently they've never learned the first rule for when you find yourself in a hole... stop digging! :upeyes:

mjkeat
02-18-2013, 12:16
Because they stepped in it with their first post slamming OA, and now they aren't mature enough to simply admit it.

Apparently they've never learned the first rule for when you find yourself in a hole... stop digging! :upeyes:

Read/quote my first post. Apparently someone has been taking pointers from liberal/progressive politicians. Lie, lie, lie, avoid the facts, and vilify the truth until you feel your agenda is valid.

Ruggles
02-18-2013, 14:30
Read/quote my first post. Apparently someone has been taking pointers from liberal/progressive politicians. Lie, lie, lie, avoid the facts, and vilify the truth until you feel your agenda is valid.

It's your point so I would say prove it already. List every purchase by NY agencies regarding firearm purchases over the last five years. If Olympic is not listed I will have the first piece of crow. If they are listed you get a mouthful. If you can not provide the information then your point is invalid and you can't support it as a fact as you keep posting it to be. Fair enough?

I am not even breaching future sales just past ones to make it 100% factual with no conjecture mixed in.

You up for it?

Ruggles
02-18-2013, 14:45
Double post.

12131
02-18-2013, 14:51
You're the only one using the word "tier." What does "tier" have to do w/ this thread? Nothing. The simple truth is Oly stands to loose nothing by this new policy of theirs. It is simply lip service.

Talking about predictability, it is quite predictable that this would happen here. It's predictable that posters would get so flustered over the truth. Maybe instead of stroking Oly for their lip service we take notice of the companies who are really putting their profit margins on the line.
Case closed.
But, please have the last words, as that's the kind of a person you are. Folks who've been here long enough know it.:rofl:

LL6
02-18-2013, 15:03
Read/quote my first post. Apparently someone has been taking pointers from liberal/progressive politicians. Lie, lie, lie, avoid the facts, and vilify the truth until you feel your agenda is valid.
Read your gems below. You may want to edit this post.


Others have already done this. Although Oly is just following suite it's good to see. I[B] would rather see Olys in the hands of bad guys than law abiding citizens. Olys have earned every once of their reputation.

^ Yeah you started your paragraph with a compliment but turned right around and bad mouthed them for the rest of the paragraph. Where I come from that is called a backhanded compliment which means it isn't a compliment.

If you look at my first post in this thread you'll see that I gave Oly a pat on the back. The truth remains that their words are mostly hollow. I'm not a "naysayer" I'm a truth teller.

^Here's another post where you try to obfuscate what you said. Reminds me of your line "...Lie, lie, lie, avoid the facts, and vilify the truth until you feel your agenda is valid."

...
Magpul is threatening to actually do something. Closing up shop and moving out of state is a lot different than saying you're not going to sell something you didn't sell in the first place.
^Okay lemme explain the obvious. With Colorado passing HB 1224 hi-cap mags are illegal. Magpul can no longer produce them in CO. They have to move. Very different situation.

Edit * here's the passage in HB 1224 that muddles up stuff from the original version.

"A large-capacity magazine that is manufactured in Colorado on or after the effective date of the bill must include a serial number and the date upon which the large-capacity magazine was manufactured or assembled. The serial number and date must be legibly and conspicuously engraved or cast upon the outer surface of the large-capacity magazine. The Colorado bureau of investigation may promulgate rules that may require a large-capacity magazine that is manufactured on or after the
effective date of the bill to bear identifying information in addition to the serial number and date of assembly."

Don't know what it will change with the Magpul move, but I would guess it was written to keep them in state.

mjkeat
02-18-2013, 15:48
It's your point so I would say prove it already. List every purchase by NY agencies regarding firearm purchases over the last five years. If Olympic is not listed I will have the first piece of crow. If they are listed you get a mouthful. If you can not provide the information then your point is invalid and you can't support it as a fact as you keep posting it to be. Fair enough?

I am not even breaching future sales just past ones to make it 100% factual with no conjecture mixed in.

You up for it?

Have you not been following this thread? After those w/ ruffled feathers came rushing out of the woodworkd to defend Oly I asked for any documentation proving me wrong. All I received in responce was a, somewhere sometime there was some thread that said something about Oly's this or that. I even attempted to locate any documentation. It's not about right or wrong. It's about fact or fiction. And it's definitely not about eating "crow."

Oly seems to have their priorities straight as far as their statement goes. The only issue I see is what I stated in my original post here. This is one of those times I would like to be proven wrong. Like getting rid of wrestling in the Olympics. I keep hoping I heard wrong or received bad info.

Read your gems below. You may want to edit this post.

^Okay lemme explain the obvious. With Colorado passing HB 1224 hi-cap mags are illegal. Magpul can no longer produce them in CO. They have to move. Very different situation.

Edit * here's the passage in HB 1224 that muddles up stuff from the original version.

"A large-capacity magazine that is manufactured in Colorado on or after the effective date of the bill must include a serial number and the date upon which the large-capacity magazine was manufactured or assembled. The serial number and date must be legibly and conspicuously engraved or cast upon the outer surface of the large-capacity magazine. The Colorado bureau of investigation may promulgate rules that may require a large-capacity magazine that is manufactured on or after the
effective date of the bill to bear identifying information in addition to the serial number and date of assembly."

Don't know what it will change with the Magpul move, but I would guess it was written to keep them in state.

Again I'll ask that you follow the things you speak about. Magpul has stated they will move if HB1224 is passed. CO. then came back w/ the revision. Magpul reiterated their plans to relocate if the bill was passed. It changed nothing according to Magpul. This was released a couple days ago via Magpul.

EDIT:

Magpul Industries Corp. (https://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/561802137165473)
We're hearing some rumors that the Gov and the Dem caucus think we are bluffing. Just to clarify for them, then...we're not a political company. We dont play political games. We've made our position very clear, very publicly. We would not survive lying to our customer base, nor would we ever consider it. If you pass t...his, we will leave, and you will own it. We've already got plans in place to get PMAG manufacturing moved rapidly, and the rest of the company will follow. We will make sure to at least have a small remain-behind operation through the 2014 elections so that we can remind folks why we are gone.

SigFTW
02-18-2013, 16:31
Have you not been following this thread? After those w/ ruffled feathers came rushing out of the woodworkd to defend Oly I asked for any documentation proving me wrong. All I received in responce was a, somewhere sometime there was some thread that said something about Oly's this or that. I even attempted to locate any documentation. It's not about right or wrong. It's about fact or fiction. And it's definitely not about eating "crow."

Oly seems to have their priorities straight as far as their statement goes. The only issue I see is what I stated in my original post here. This is one of those times I would like to be proven wrong. Like getting rid of wrestling in the Olympics. I keep hoping I heard wrong or received bad info.



Again I'll ask that you follow the things you speak about. Magpul has stated they will move if HB1224 is passed. CO. then came back w/ the revision. Magpul reiterated their plans to relocate if the bill was passed. It changed nothing according to Magpul. This was released a couple days ago via Magpul.

EDIT:

Magpul Industries Corp. (https://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/561802137165473)
We're hearing some rumors that the Gov and the Dem caucus think we are bluffing. Just to clarify for them, then...we're not a political company. We dont play political games. We've made our position very clear, very publicly. We would not survive lying to our customer base, nor would we ever consider it. If you pass t...his, we will leave, and you will own it. We've already got plans in place to get PMAG manufacturing moved rapidly, and the rest of the company will follow. We will make sure to at least have a small remain-behind operation through the 2014 elections so that we can remind folks why we are gone.

I would love to come into a good thread like this one without all your BS. :faint:oh well, you do provide entertainment.:mallninja:

I'm glad that Oly is standing up!!

mjkeat
02-18-2013, 16:37
I would love to come into a good thread like this one without all your BS. :faint:oh well, you do provide entertainment.:mallninja:

I'm glad that Oly is standing up!!

If you prefer feel good over the truth I can understand. Truth seems to be frowned upon around here, sad.

On a good note, void of the ignorance is bliss crowd...

Add Barret to the list following Larue's lead. I have come across some smaller companies following Larue's lead as well.

willieH
02-18-2013, 16:45
Read/quote my first post. Apparently someone has been taking pointers from liberal/progressive politicians. Lie, lie, lie, avoid the facts, and vilify the truth until you feel your agenda is valid.

You should re-read the last sentence in your quote, it's what prompted this reply.

I have reviewed all your posts. It’s clear from post 19 that you never had factual information to base your Olympic Arms claim. Assuming you were in agreement with Annhl8rX (post 3) who said, “I can't imagine this will actually cost them any business. I've never heard of any agency using Olympics.” Just because he couldn’t “imagine” or “never heard” of the scope of Olympic Arms business dealings should have illuminated that light bulb in your head that your dealing with someones conjecture.

You agree with Annhl8rX's silly soft drink analogy (post 61) and utterance, “I doubt Olympic does much LE business in NY. It's nice gesture, but is probably more symbolic than anything.” Again, using his conjecture to add credence to your shaky stance on Olympic.

Using your best guess you continue down the path making erroneous comments and defending your position (post 78) by asking others to disprove your claim. Sorry to break it to you but an ‘argument from ignorance’ makes you look idiotic. Anything goes using this fallacious logic, as in: Emperor Penguins secretly teach their young to use AR15’s is a true statement until you can disprove it.

In post 127 you have taken your assertion and embellish it with, “Magpul is threatening to actually do something. Closing up shop and moving out of state is a lot different than [Olympic] saying you're not going to sell something you didn't sell in the first place.” Inferring Olympic made this statement is erroneous, but you continue to thrashing Olympic without any basis.

The Olympic Arms press release said, in part, “… Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York - henceforth…” My wild guess “no longer” imply prior activity existed, but I would entertain your thoughts on the meaning.

CMG summed up your contribution concisely. “Because they stepped in it with their first post slamming OA, and now they aren't mature enough to simply admit it.”

I wouldn't even care if they only did $2 worth of business in NY, this isn't only about one state. I congratulate Olympic Arms on taking a public stand. The fact they stood up and joined an increasing number of other business to protest this infringement our rights is commendable. And it's no secret that they are also protecting their own interests as well they should.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/wlhutch/22/penguin-and-ar_zps02fc1196.jpg

Ruggles
02-18-2013, 16:55
Have you not been following this thread? After those w/ ruffled feathers came rushing out of the woodworkd to defend Oly I asked for any documentation proving me wrong. All I received in responce was a, somewhere sometime there was some thread that said something about Oly's this or that. I even attempted to locate any documentation. It's not about right or wrong. It's about fact or fiction. And it's definitely not about eating "crow."

Oly seems to have their priorities straight as far as their statement goes. The only issue I see is what I stated in my original post here. This is one of those times I would like to be proven wrong. Like getting rid of wrestling in the Olympics. I keep hoping I heard wrong or received bad info.



Again I'll ask that you follow the things you speak about. Magpul has stated they will move if HB1224 is passed. CO. then came back w/ the revision. Magpul reiterated their plans to relocate if the bill was passed. It changed nothing according to Magpul. This was released a couple days ago via Magpul.

EDIT:

Magpul Industries Corp. (https://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/561802137165473)
We're hearing some rumors that the Gov and the Dem caucus think we are bluffing. Just to clarify for them, then...we're not a political company. We dont play political games. We've made our position very clear, very publicly. We would not survive lying to our customer base, nor would we ever consider it. If you pass t...his, we will leave, and you will own it. We've already got plans in place to get PMAG manufacturing moved rapidly, and the rest of the company will follow. We will make sure to at least have a small remain-behind operation through the 2014 elections so that we can remind folks why we are gone.

Why on Earth would anybody have to disprove a claim that you are using to try and make your point? If you are going to use the "fact" that Olympic is not really putting anything on the line by stopping sales to NY because they sell nothing there anyways then it is incumbent upon you to prove that point. Otherwise is is just your guess with nothing factual about it.

If a claim is made in a business related trial that claim has to be present with evidence supporting it by those making the claim. Not the other way around as you seem to think. Your claim, your burden of proof. But since you can't support it outside of your own logic it carries no weight at all. Why you continue to state it as fact is beyond reason.

But hey let's both play this game. Olympic will lose $2,500,000 in revenue in 2013 by not selling to NY. Now accept this as fact because I said it or prove me wrong with some evidence to the contrary. .....

This is exactly what you have been doing, making a claim and telling others to disprove it. Am I wrong?

Again your claim, that you keep posting BTW, so prove it to at least some degree or realize it is nothing but your opinion :wavey:

mjkeat
02-18-2013, 17:03
...your shaky stance on Olympic.

Using your best guess you continue down the path making erroneous comments and defending your position (post 78) by asking others to disprove your claim. Sorry to break it to you but an ‘argument from ignorance’ make you look like an idiotic. Anything goes using this fallacious logic, as in: Emperor Penguins secretly teach their young to use AR15’s is a true statement until you can disprove it.

In post 127 you have taken your assertion and embellish it with, “Magpul is threatening to actually do something. Closing up shop and moving out of state is a lot different than [Olympic] saying you're not going to sell something you didn't sell in the first place.” Inferring Olympic made this statement is erroneous, but you continue to thrashing Olympic without any basis.

The Olympic Arms press release said, in part, “… Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York - henceforth…” My wild guess “no longer” imply prior activity existed, but I would entertain your thoughts on the meaning.

CMG summed up your contribution concisely. “Because they stepped in it with their first post slamming OA, and now they aren't mature enough to simply admit it.”

I wouldn't even care if they only did $2 worth of business in NY, this isn't only about one state. I congratulate Olympic Arms on taking a public stand. The fact they stood up and joined an increasing number of other business to protest this infringement our rights is commendable. And it's no secret that they are also protecting their own interests as well they should.



My stance on Oly is very firm. Though I appreciate their attempt they are a maker of low quality ARs and their words as they relate to the topic of this thread are simply lip service.

You seem to be of average or above intellegence. If you would have read all my posts as you claim you would have seen where I tried to prove myself wrong by doing the research. I wasn't able to find anything pointing to an existing or past .gov NY contract held by Oly.

So yes I have asked others to prove me wrong but I have also attempted to do the same myself. The information doesn't exist. In an industry where .mil/.gov sales are flaunted and translate to retail sales and marketing platforms reflect such you'd think it would be easy to find. The lack of such information would lead one to an easy conclusion. But then again Oly could be the exception and hide all .gov/.mil contracts. Imply what you will. Again, if I'm wrong I'm wrong.

willieH
02-18-2013, 17:20
You seem to be of average or above intellegence.

No sir, I've just been sapped of all intelligence and I humbly bow to your vast experience.





"Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."

mjkeat
02-18-2013, 17:32
No sir, I've just been sapped of all intelligence and I humbly bow to your vast experience.





"Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."

So tell me, in this industry that puts so much weight in .gov/.mil contracts and a populous that scrambles to purchase whatever ABC is currently using, where are theses contracts published? I can't find any. Let's not forget how the civilian market automatically relates .gov/.mil use to product reliability. You'd think Oly would take advantage of such contracts like every other AR manufacturer. But like I said maybe Oly is the exception.

Edit:

Ruggles, if there was proof of existing/past cotracts don't you think someone would have posted a link by now?

Ruggles
02-18-2013, 18:50
So tell me, in this industry that puts so much weight in .gov/.mil contracts and a populous that scrambles to purchase whatever ABC is currently using, where are theses contracts published? I can't find any. Let's not forget how the civilian market automatically relates .gov/.mil use to product reliability. You'd think Oly would take advantage of such contracts like every other AR manufacturer. But like I said maybe Oly is the exception.

Edit:

Ruggles, if there was proof of existing/past cotracts don't you think someone would have posted a link by now?

Still waiting for others to disprove your claims? I don't blame you for being frustrated it is taking so long. Why don't you go ahead and prove it yourself to get it out of the way? :whistling:

Or you can just stick with your conjecture if you prefer..........

But stop asking us to try and prove you wrong when you have the obligation to prove yourself right. You made the claim, man up and back away from it or prove it. Is that really to much to ask, to ask some to prove what they are saying is in fact true?

Either way fact remains Olympic (among others) stepped up to the plate doing this, too bad folks like you feel the need to jeer at them from the safety of the stands. Not sure why that is something you seem to enjoy doing. :dunno:

mjkeat
02-18-2013, 20:14
Still waiting for others to disprove your claims? I don't blame you for being frustrated it is taking so long. Why don't you go ahead and prove it yourself to get it out of the way? :whistling:

Or you can just stick with your conjecture if you prefer..........

But stop asking us to try and prove you wrong when you have the obligation to prove yourself right. You made the claim, man up and back away from it or prove it. Is that really to much to ask, to ask some to prove what they are saying is in fact true?

Either way fact remains Olympic (among others) stepped up to the plate doing this, too bad folks like you feel the need to jeer at them from the safety of the stands. Not sure why that is something you seem to enjoy doing. :dunno:

Maybe I didn't put enough smiley faces in my posts. :wavey:

Me: "So tell me, in this industry that puts so much weight in .gov/.mil contracts and a populous that scrambles to purchase whatever ABC is currently using, where are theses contracts published? I can't find any. Let's not forget how the civilian market automatically relates .gov/.mil use to product reliability. You'd think Oly would take advantage of such contracts like every other AR manufacturer. But like I said maybe Oly is the exception.

Edit:

Ruggles, if there was proof of existing/past cotracts don't you think someone would have posted a link by now?"



Read the first paragraph. That is exactly how this stuff works. Contracts are the ultimate goal of these companies. It's like winning a trophy in a sporting event. You show it off, publish it, use it to sell more ARs.

Oh, and I'm not jeering. I made a statement and in fact gave them a pat on the back for the gesture.

LL6
02-19-2013, 07:04
Again I'll ask that you follow the things you speak about. Magpul has stated they will move if HB1224 is passed. CO. then came back w/ the revision. Magpul reiterated their plans to relocate if the bill was passed. It changed nothing according to Magpul. This was released a couple days ago via Magpul.

Has Magpul said anything "official" since the passage of HB 1224?

I will admit I didn't read the full original HB 1224. I included the edit because I wasn't sure if that piece was a revision to the original bill in an attempt to dissuade Magpul from leaving. At least I'm trying to be forthright, why don't you try the same? :wavey:

Either way Magpul is directly affected by the toxic state they are currently manufacturing in. I don't understand how you can't see the difference. Unless of course your prejudice is completely obscuring your vision. :whistling:

mjkeat
02-19-2013, 08:01
Has Magpul said anything "official" since the passage of HB 1224?

I will admit I didn't read the full original HB 1224. I included the edit because I wasn't sure if that piece was a revision to the original bill in an attempt to dissuade Magpul from leaving. At least I'm trying to be forthright, why don't you try the same? :wavey:

Either way Magpul is directly affected by the toxic state they are currently manufacturing in. I don't understand how you can't see the difference. Unless of course your prejudice is completely obscuring your vision. :whistling:

As of 0540 I have had ongoing conversations w/ multiple Co. senators. I just woke up but I don't believe the vote has been through the senate yet.

You're correct. You said it yourself, there is a difference, Magpul is directly affected. Do you know how much $ it will cost for a manufacturer like Magpul to relocate? Then you have logistics to figure out. If it happens it'll cost a fortune and be a major pain in the butt.

They did ok a revision that would allow Magpul to stay but not allow them to sell inner state. Magpul said. not good enough, all or nothing. The senator claims Magpul approached him and requested this revision. I asked Magpul about it but they have not responded yet.

The pros to being home sick. I have a lot of time to send out emails.

http://www.9news.com/news/politics/317878/166/Proposed-gun-control-laws-rattle-some-businesses

LL6
02-19-2013, 08:50
It was supposed to slide right through the Senate on Monday. I'm looking for the results.

*edit* It appears things are behind in the Senate.

"Senate committees could take them up as early as this week if they wanted. However, timing issues with other bills mean the gun bills could be delayed for weeks."

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22613895/colorado-house-debate-gun-bills-again-but-limited

mjkeat
02-19-2013, 10:16
The house passed it yesterday. It still needs to pass the senate committee then the senate itself then the governers office.

Ruggles
02-19-2013, 17:14
Maybe I didn't put enough smiley faces in my posts. :wavey:

Me: "So tell me, in this industry that puts so much weight in .gov/.mil contracts and a populous that scrambles to purchase whatever ABC is currently using, where are theses contracts published? I can't find any. Let's not forget how the civilian market automatically relates .gov/.mil use to product reliability. You'd think Oly would take advantage of such contracts like every other AR manufacturer. But like I said maybe Oly is the exception.

Edit:

Ruggles, if there was proof of existing/past cotracts don't you think someone would have posted a link by now?"



Read the first paragraph. That is exactly how this stuff works. Contracts are the ultimate goal of these companies. It's like winning a trophy in a sporting event. You show it off, publish it, use it to sell more ARs.

Oh, and I'm not jeering. I made a statement and in fact gave them a pat on the back for the gesture.

Well this feels familiar. :rofl:

Fact is that you nor I do not know what Olympic lost by doing this. That is the bottom line, try as you might you have not and can not refute this fact. And no educated guess and conjecture are not proof. NOr is you calling for others to disprove you claim and not getting any responses. Agin that is just past and current contracts, what the future may hold is 100% unknown.

I tend to think Olympic deserve praise for taking the risk, you tend to think they deserve a backhanded compliment (which is exactly what you posted) because in your opinion they took no real risk. End of the day they did what they did and it will help if even in the smallest way.

Not sure while you dislike smiley faces, maybe because you are too uptight and serious about debating on a anonymous internet forum. This forum debate stuff really carries no weight in the real world. Relax a little about it. :elephant:

mjkeat
02-19-2013, 20:21
If you haven't noticed we've moved on to bigger and better things.

Edit: Rumor on the schreet, Magpul is moving to Nevada.

Ruggles
02-19-2013, 20:47
If you haven't noticed we've moved on to bigger and better things.

Edit: Rumor on the schreet, Magpul is moving to Nevada.

If you have not noticed the title of the thread is what I posted about. You know the same topic you posted about ohhhh let's see........yesterday. So we have not moved far :rofl:

mjkeat
02-19-2013, 20:52
If you have not noticed the title of the thread is what I posted about. You know the same topic you posted about ohhhh let's see........yesterday. So we have not moved far :rofl:

I didn't say how far we had moved just that we had moved on, so... Yesterday was almost 2 days ago.

Ruggles
02-19-2013, 20:57
I didn't say how far we had moved just that we had moved on, so... Yesterday was almost 2 days ago.

:rofl:

That is good stuff right there!

mjkeat
02-19-2013, 22:04
:rofl:

That is good stuff right there!

I thought so. Is it not true? :thumbsup:

We can do this all night. Well, atleast for another hour. My bedtime is midnight.

mjkeat
02-24-2013, 01:04
Contacted Oly about any .gov contracts. They responded w/ a simple yes. I asked for any type of documentation or links. A few days have passed. Nothing.

CanMan
02-24-2013, 01:30
Back in the Politically Correct days when Pony guns were no longer being sold to us mere mortals - Oly soldiered on making ARs for us "civvies". They brought us the 7.62x39 AR, the pistol-AR, the first billeted recvr ARs, and several "wildcat" ARs. They are overdue their props.


^ This :thumbsup:

Ruggles
02-24-2013, 09:25
Contacted Oly about any .gov contracts. They responded w/ a simple yes. I asked for any type of documentation or links. A few days have passed. Nothing.


With as much effort you have put into trying to discredit the effort of Olympic Arms in regards to helping NY I wonder what you could have done with that same amount of effort to help in NY. :dunno:

mjkeat
02-24-2013, 09:39
With as much effort you have put into trying to discredit the effort of Olympic Arms in regards to helping NY I wonder what you could have done with that same amount of effort to help in NY. :dunno:

Even after all this time you still have my "efforts" confused. Sad dude. A little disappointing as well. My outlook on mankind took a small hit.

Since you're questioning others, what have you done?

Is NY the sole target? Are we concentrating on one single state when there are others? I guess that kind of answers my other question.

Ruggles
02-24-2013, 10:19
Even after all this time you still have my "efforts" confused. Sad dude. A little disappointing as well. My outlook on mankind took a small hit.

Since you're questioning others, what have you done?

Is NY the sole target? Are we concentrating on one single state when there are others? I guess that kind of answers my other question.

What is you effort then? Why do you feel the need to "prove" that Olympic's move is nothing more than smoke and mirrors? What is the end game for that effort? What does anybody gain from that effort?

I am asking you what you have done since you are determine to prove Olympic really has not done anything. You are calling them out on it, logically I can only therefore assume you are doing more....just curious what that might be.

I called no one out for their effort as you did. I gave my props to them and left it at that. They indeed are doing WAY more than I am. I would feel like a turd for being critical of someone doing more than I am.

NY is indeed one of the prime targets right now, highest profile anti firearm legislation passed recently. Huge population effected. So yeah high profile target to concentrate on.

But you seem determine to have the last word so consider it yours. Whatever you and I debate will have no effort on NY while Olympics efforts will to whatever degree, it will still positively impact it more than you or I will. Props to them for that. :wavey:

mjkeat
02-24-2013, 18:29
. :wavey:

I didn't call anyone out. I made the statement that Oly was doing nothing more than applying lip service. Oly can't even supply any documentation of past contracts w/ the state of NY. It isn't hard to connect the dots.

So as much as I applaud Oly for the gesture, what is it really worth?

As far as what I'm doing. I've been wearing out out my means of communication w/ reps. from different states. I've sent out roughly 80 emails if not many many more. I've also been using social media to contact these politicians and anti-2A organizations. Nothing like being called out where everyone can read it. I've also been contacting firearms companies encouraging they take a stand. You?

Ruggles
02-24-2013, 18:53
"I didn't call anyone out. I made the statement that Oly was doing nothing more than applying lip service"

And statements like this are why defense attorneys suggest their clients do not get on the stand :rofl:

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 00:44
"I didn't call anyone out. I made the statement that Oly was doing nothing more than applying lip service"

And statements like this are why defense attorneys suggest their clients do not get on the stand :rofl:

I think you need to pick up a dictionary.

HAIL CAESAR
02-25-2013, 09:53
I think you need to pick up a dictionary.



Do you know some college kids that will let us borrow some dictionaries while they are off on fire missions and being mall ninjas?

Ron36105
02-25-2013, 17:17
I honestly don't see how Colt, LWRC, S&W, etc will have any other choice but to make the same stand! What is their revenue gonna look like when the gun market in the US is limited to LE and Military ONLY. Gonna suck losing 100+ million potential customers when we finish sliding down the slippery slope. They can take a stand now for long term benefit.

Yea I agree most revenue does come from us citizens. I just hope they realize and I am sure they do they all just need to grow a pair...

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 18:10
Do you know some college kids that will let us borrow some dictionaries while they are off on being mall ninjas?

I figured you'd hide out a little longer after the embarrassment you suffered in the thread you had deleted ;)

I thought most homes contained at least one dictionary.

What does, "while they are off on being mall ninjas" mean?

Define "mall ninja."

HAIL CAESAR
02-25-2013, 18:30
I figured you'd hide out a little longer after the embarrassment you suffered in the thread you had deleted ;)

I thought most homes contained at least one dictionary.

What does, "while they are off on being mall ninjas" mean?

Define "mall ninja."

Kiddo,

I didn't have anything deleted, I am not a Moderator.

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 18:42
Kiddo,

I didn't have anything deleted, I am not a Moderator.

lol. Sure is funny how the thread went on for a couple days until you called someone out then they out you in your place :wavey:

Hail Kaiserhttp://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af98/mjkeat/rollkaiser_lg_zpsc4683029.jpg

HAIL CAESAR
02-25-2013, 18:45
lol. Sure is funny how the thread went on for a couple days until you called someone out then they out you in your place :wavey:

Hail Kaiserhttp://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af98/mjkeat/rollkaiser_lg_zpsc4683029.jpg

What is my place kiddo?

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 20:15
What is my place kiddo?

We know what happened. To bad you pushed for the thread to be deleted or others would as well ;)

HAIL CAESAR
02-25-2013, 20:16
We know what happened. To bad you pushed for the thread to be deleted or others would as well ;)

We???! You have mice in your pocket, or just your head?

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 20:21
We???! You have mice on your pocket, or just your head?

On or in? It makes a difference :dog:

HAIL CAESAR
02-25-2013, 20:23
Yeap, definitely rodents in the head.

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 20:32
Says the guy who pushed to have a thread deleted after he attemped to shock and awe only to find that he was capable of neither.

HAIL CAESAR
02-25-2013, 20:33
Kiddo, I have pushed no button except for the little one you got.

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 20:37
Kiddo, I have pushed no button except for the little one you got.

LOL, just like boc I've been leading you around by the leash.

Next time do a little background before you try and posture. You won't have to push to have a thread deleted.

HAIL CAESAR
02-25-2013, 20:40
LOL, just like boc I've been leading you around by the leash.

Next time do a little background before you try and posture. You won't have to push to have a thread deleted.

Huhhh,

Kiddo you've taken to many paintballs to your head.:rofl:

Background check ??? Why bother on a college kid in a basement?.?.?.?

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 20:49
Huhhh,

Kiddo you've taken to many paintballs to your head.:rofl:

Background check ??? Why bother on a college kid in a basement?.?.?.?

Exactly.

HAIL CAESAR
02-25-2013, 20:53
Exactly.

Exactly right. Go to sleep and study for your quiz and have sweet dreams of firefights with your trusty BCM.

If you get to school early enough you could get a chance to press some other pimply, booger eater.
:rofl:

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 21:02
Exactly right. Go to sleep and study for your quiz and have sweet dreams of firefights with your trusty BCM.

If you get to school early enough you could get a chance to press some other pimply, booger eater.
:rofl:

Maybe you can share some stories of your days as an 11B (infantry?) to help w/ my dreams. I don't have much of an imagination.

HAIL CAESAR
02-25-2013, 21:04
Good night Kiddo.:wavey:


:rofl:

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 21:06
Good night Kiddo.:wavey:


:rofl:

Exactly the reply I expected ;)

HAIL CAESAR
02-25-2013, 21:07
Come on over sometime.

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 21:09
LOL. Yes because that's realistic. Don't go throwing the MOS around. It's shameful.

gunsmoke92
02-25-2013, 21:13
I don't normally get involved in pissin' contest, but for you, mjkeat I'll make an exception. Before you stole this thread, which gives kudos to a fine company, others were at least appreciative of their efforts and the message they sent the lovely State of New Dork. Then you had to get into the brand bashing. :yawn:

Before you lip off, you might try some research. Olympic arms actually began life as a barrel manufacturer, and through mergers and acquisitions, they became Olympic arms. They were the first, and as far as I know, still are, one of, if not the only AR "Manufacturer" (not assembler) to make all their own parts in house. Those parts not built in their facility are built to their specs under their license. In addition, they also provide many major components to some of the other "well known" AR companies, not to mention any names (Bushmaster and others). And as you read and obviously chose to ignore, they were principle in the development of AR based pistols, handgun caliber ARs, and more than I have time, space, or patience to list. They are also one of the only Firearm companies that hold an annual range day for their customers. Not for big wigs of other companies, but average "Joes" like you and me.

As for contracts, Olympic provides training rifles to the Air Force. There may, and probably are others.

If you really want to know about them, may I suggest some light reading on their web sight, or you may also go to their Oly owners web sight, OA2.org. Rattler is the sight head honcho, and also works for Olympic Arms.

They may not be perfect, but they're trying and putting the first drop in the bucket. If others follow suit, that one drop may turn to a flood that NY can't ignore.

I applaud your efforts,but belittling the efforts of others is just plain childish. Get on board there Bubba.

As to the OP, KUDOs to Olympic, they are good people and from my perspective, at the top of my list of folks I'd trust.

Mods, if I've broken any forum rules, I am sorry and will abide any reprimand you see fit, but my tolerance for misinformation and bashing only goes so far.

HAIL CAESAR
02-25-2013, 21:19
Here is what is shameful;

Somebody comes on here and asks what rifle to coyote hunt with...
Some booger eater tells them to get a BCM mid LW 14.5 or they are risking their life in a firefight.

Somebody comes on here and asks what rifle for NM......
Some booger eater tells them to get a BCM mid LW 14.5....

Somebody asks what rifle for long range poodle shooter....
Some booger eater tells them to get a BCM mid LW 14.5...

Kiddo, quit eating boogers

This thread was about a company actually standing up for the Constitution. Which could lead to more, which could lead to even more.

Now it is just a about your regular BS.

NOW AGAIN, thank you Oly for taking a stand. Thank you everyone for the stand your company has made.

Front Sight
02-25-2013, 22:02
Now if the ammunition manufacturers would only do the same thing.
There is an Olympic firearm in my future purchase also.

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 22:31
...

I know it's easy to get lost in all the posts but check my original. I gave credit where it was due. I also cleared up some misconceptions other posters had. This started the downward slide.

I admittedly think Oly makes a sub par AR. But that isn't the purpose of this thread.

I have contacted Oly they will not give details on any contracts to the state of NY. IMO when a person/intenty refuses to expound there is something amiss. Use politicians as a great example of this tactic.

While everyone was touting Oly for what I titled "lip service" there were other companies doing much more. One of the misconceptions I pointed out.

I should probably use softer words but that hasn't proven to be efficient in my experience.

I have done a lot of research and have had conversations with Oly employees, roughly 2 years ago. I even search and search in an attempt to prove my "lip service" statement wrong. As I said before, this is one of those times I really would like to be wrong.

As far as making all their own parts I have come to the conclusion that that is no longer true. One of the biggest parts, the lower, was told to me by an employee to be outsourced. This conversation was a casual one thus no transcript or recording was made.

Though Oly is taking a stand by refusing to sell to NY .gov there are other oppressive states and other companies refusing to sell to any of those states, not just NY. NY is a big one. It is however not the only one. Let's not get tunnel vision.

I appreciate your involvement here. Thank you for getting me back on track.

Now if the ammunition manufacturers would only do the same thing.
There is an Olympic firearm in my future purchase also.

Very true...

gunsmoke92
02-25-2013, 23:03
I admittedly think Oly makes a sub par AR. But that isn't the purpose of this thread.
That's your opinion, nothing wrong with that, but as you stated that isn't the purpose of this thread.

I have contacted Oly they will not give details on any contracts.
That's business and it's their business.

Let's not get tunnel vision.
None here, it's just NY is making the biggest waves, hence getting the most attention right now. Others will have the cross hairs fall on them when necessary.

I appreciate your involvement here. Thank you for getting me back on track.

And I appreciate your civil response to my somewhat direct, if not heart felt rant. If we all keep our eye on the big picture, we all win.


Very true...

Amen!

mjkeat
02-25-2013, 23:22
Not sure if these links have been posted yet.

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=5978&cpage=1#comment-2948

http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/