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Aceman
02-12-2013, 21:40
From using pointy bullets? Anyone eve seen this really happen? I know it is a possibility. But has it really happened? I'm sure, but is it a serious issue?

isp2605
02-12-2013, 21:45
When I was a kid a neighbor had a Winchester 94 hanging on his wall with a blown out tube and wrecked forearm. He said he got it from another guy who had loaded pointed spitzer bullets because he couldn't get flat points at the time.
So I guess it has happened at least once.

FLIPPER 348
02-12-2013, 21:46
I shot many (many) of the old Fiochi 140g pointed .357mag thru my Marlin & Timberwolf with no worries. If there was a firing pin on the front of the bullet I would have worried.

countrygun
02-12-2013, 22:39
I have seen on gun in person and several pictures of others.

Zombie Steve
02-12-2013, 23:02
Yes, it will happen. Yes, it's a serious issue.

rednoved
02-12-2013, 23:12
I have seen pictures and heard stories, but never seen in person.

Here is an old Gun Digest article on the subject. http://www.retro.co.za/gundex/articles/Tubular%20Magazines%20are%20Safe.html

MrMurphy
02-13-2013, 07:32
I call it unplanned spontaneous disassembly.


Seen pics, not in person.

Zombie Steve
02-13-2013, 08:21
I shot many (many) of the old Fiochi 140g pointed .357mag thru my Marlin & Timberwolf with no worries. If there was a firing pin on the front of the bullet I would have worried.

I may be mistaken, but I think the ammo you're talking about is a truncated cone. It still has a flat point, and bigger than the primer that would be in front of it in a magazine tube.

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/6-0304191.jpg

Bob Hafler
02-13-2013, 08:27
I'll just say that it's a enough of a concern to me that I'll never use pointed bullets in a lever action.

FLIPPER 348
02-13-2013, 08:29
I may be mistaken, but I think the ammo you're talking about is a truncated cone. It still has a flat point, and bigger than the primer that would be in front of it in a magazine tube.

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/6-0304191.jpg


Yep, that was the stuff! I had a vast supply long ago .....now I have the brass.

What sort of .38/357 bullet would be 'point-y-er'??

ChuteTheMall
02-13-2013, 08:47
What sort of .38/357 bullet would be 'point-y-er'??

http://i47.tinypic.com/k7nh1.png

ArmoryDoc
02-13-2013, 10:30
I shot many (many) of the old Fiochi 140g pointed .357mag thru my Marlin & Timberwolf with no worries. If there was a firing pin on the front of the bullet I would have worried.

I would say you didn't use much logic in that decision. Didn't you vote for Obama too ? Twice ???

arclight610
02-13-2013, 10:52
I would say you didn't use much logic in that decision. Didn't you vote for Obama too ? Twice ???

I voted for Obama 3 times.

series1811
02-13-2013, 10:54
I voted for Obama 3 times.

And, that was just in 2012.



I have a Savage M99 in .300 savage. It's a lever action with a rotary magazine, which was designed to allow spitzer type bullets in a lever action from what I have read (to avoid the tube blowing up problem).

ArmoryDoc
02-13-2013, 11:17
i voted for obama 3 times.

lol !

The Fed
02-13-2013, 11:20
I'm thinking it doesn't happen much with factory ammo. Perhaps they used reloads with softer primers?

SC Tiger
02-13-2013, 12:12
This problem is why "Leverlution" bullets are made, with the soft rubber tip.

It can happen.

countrygun
02-13-2013, 15:01
I'm thinking it doesn't happen much with factory ammo. Perhaps they used reloads with softer primers?

Yes, of course, that is why all FACTORY 30-30 ammo is either blunt, truncated or the soft tip leverevolution. Yes Hornaday spent thousands of dollars developing a new bullet because there was no problem with factory primers at all. For over a hundred years the problem has been handloaders treating their primers with "Fabric Softener".

OF COURSE IT CAN HAPPEN WITH FACTORY AMMO, that is why factories DON'T LOAD spire point bullets in their ammo.

:wedgie:

Fox
02-13-2013, 15:44
http://castbullet.com/reload/campcast.htm

Consider buying a bullet mold of the proper bullet type for your rifle so that you will always have the right bullet even if local retailers don't.

1gewehr
02-14-2013, 10:31
I have seen a Model 94 .30-30 with a blow-up magazine tube.
I doubt that it's an issue with .22 or .357 rifles. The problem is that the recoil on higher-powered rifles makes the whole stack of cartridges move forward. Then the magazine spring shoves them back down the tube. Obviously, having six heavy rifle cartridges slam back onto a spitzer bullet can cause a primer to go off.
If you look at 8mm Lebel military ammo, you will see that it has a ring around the primer to keep a bullet from hitting it.

DPris
02-18-2013, 11:32
Some years ago when my wife was doing CAS we arrived in Wyoming for a regional shoot the day after an entrant had blown up his levergun's mag tube. Sent to the hospital to treat his supporting arm.

That was with relatively mild CAS loads.
It does happen, has been known to for many decades.
Denis