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Tiro Fijo
02-14-2013, 22:23
Slide broke in half while shooting factory ammo. Interesting read:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=703129

More analysis & hypotheses:

http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?10862-Catastrophic-Failure-ALL-CARACAL-OWNERS-PLEASE-READ-AND-BE-SAFE/page6

crazymoose
02-14-2013, 22:44
That's the weirdest case of metal fatigue/failure I've ever seen. I'm not calling the guy a liar, but if I saw the picture without any context, I would have bet that the slide was cut with some kind of high-speed tool. The break looks perfectly uniform and perpendicular to the axis of the bore.

dkf
02-14-2013, 22:54
I would like to see what the Rc is on that slide. Grind the sections at the break flat and test the hardness across the break. Probably harder than it should be. I wonder if they are case hardened or through hardened.

Merkavaboy
02-15-2013, 00:49
Poor metalurgy, just like the original Beretta M9's that were having catistrophic slide failures.

Tiro Fijo
02-15-2013, 01:04
Poor metalurgy, just like the original Beretta M9's that were having catistrophic slide failures.


I agree.

seamaster
02-15-2013, 09:40
i looked at the picutures but never read the story (too long)...

here are my observations,
- the poster has only one post
- who ever inserted the mag did it wrong
- the gun looks filthy as if it was being torture tested

i found more, it appears to have originated from pakistan,
http://www.pakguns.com/showthread.php?10862-Catastrophic-Failure-ALL-CARACAL-OWNERS-PLEASE-READ-AND-BE-SAFE

Sharkey
02-15-2013, 10:51
No doubt a Muslim on Muslim crime. :whistling:

Thankfully, the ATF is holding out on these getting to the US.
The conspiracy is that infidels here would have totally worthless guns if they used these Caracals.


I dunno, I'm gonna hold out for more of the story. I have to say, the English from a Pakistan gun forum is pretty darn good.

dkf
02-15-2013, 11:27
- the gun looks filthy as if it was being torture tested

Consistent with the shooter dropping the gun in the dirt when it blew up on him.:whistling:

WayneJessie
02-15-2013, 11:28
Knowing the truth about what happened is never going to happen. Might as well get used to Caracal becoming a presence here in the USA. The backers of the weapon have pockets deeper than Warren Buffet and the design of the gun is superb. They'll get the manufactering bugs worked out or they'll Jihad the plant workers. It's that simple.

RYT 2BER
02-15-2013, 12:54
Im not surprised it detonated :whistling: :upeyes:

raven11
02-15-2013, 13:01
a Pakistani poster using Chinese "red box" ammo.

i want more proof before i make my judgment

themighty9mm
02-15-2013, 13:01
Im not surprised it detonated :whistling: :upeyes:
:rofl:

HKLovingIT
02-15-2013, 14:27
Yeah says he was using "chinese ammo". :dunno:

HKLovingIT
02-15-2013, 14:28
Im not surprised it detonated :whistling: :upeyes:

I see what you did there. :supergrin:

The Pirate
02-15-2013, 16:32
I see what you did there. :supergrin:

Hahaha!!!


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vikingsoftpaw
02-15-2013, 16:47
I don't see it being an ammo problem. I handload and pistol powders for the 9mm are fast burning. I don't think their is enough case capacity in a 9mm to cause a pressure spike that severe.

I am leaning to a metallurgy issue also. Probably over hardening.

dkf
02-15-2013, 17:54
I would think the barrel would be in worse shape if the ammo failure was the cause.

RGbiker
02-15-2013, 18:54
OP, you're not fooling me. That picture is a GLOCK in disguise. Only a GLOCK goes Ka-boom.......:supergrin::supergrin:

crazymoose
02-15-2013, 20:16
OP, you're not fooling me. That picture is a GLOCK in disguise. Only a GLOCK goes Ka-boom.......:supergrin::supergrin:

It pulled a Beretta, not a Glock. :supergrin: Barrel and frame are fine, no signs of overpressure or case failure. The front and rear of the slide just decided it was time for a breakup, and went their separate ways.

Rinspeed
02-15-2013, 20:32
Yeah says he was using "chinese ammo". :dunno:



That's the first thing that made me think WTF, over.

bustedknee
02-15-2013, 20:36
Worse case of Limp-wristing I have ever seen.

:animlol:

Spiffums
02-16-2013, 04:27
Might have gotten some of that CIA ammo that blows up guns!

Jason D
02-16-2013, 17:19
I would have expected nothing less from a marriage between an arab gun and chinese ammo

Rinspeed
02-16-2013, 17:37
Worse case of Limp-wristing I have ever seen.

:animlol:



I don't think someone getting a chunk of steel embedded in their forehead is something you should joke about. :upeyes:

jdeere_man
02-16-2013, 20:38
I have the C & F Models both and absolutely love them. I hope mine stay in one piece!

To be honest I love how they shoot more than my Glocks.

sourdough44
02-17-2013, 05:32
Caracal, UAE & German project? That along with Chinese ammo should make one take pause.

bustedknee
02-17-2013, 16:24
I don't think someone getting a chunk of steel embedded in their forehead is something you should joke about. :upeyes:

I'm sorry.

Thank you for pointing that out.

I prayed over this and you are correct. That was extremely impertinent of me.

Will you ever forgive me?