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Andrew Wiggin
02-20-2013, 11:20
In a thread on another gun forum, a user showed us that floor tiles could be used to stop rifle rounds. I decided to test whether it was possible to make homemade "body armor" that would actually work. I'm pleasantly surprised by the results.

I used three PEI grade V porcelain floor tiles with a coat of Herculiner on the front and between tiles and a thick coat (about a quarter inch) on the back to capture fragments. I placed a paper grocery bag behind (to see if anything came through) and shot it at about twenty feet with .223, 7.62x39mm, and .40 S&W. Unfortunately, I didn't know the close range POI on my AK as well as on my AR so I had to shoot it three times with the AK to get a hit where I wanted. The reason is that the first shot was too close to both edges and caused the whole corner to bend back into the paper. I don't *think* the bullet made it through but I couldn't be sure until the third shot.

Afterward, I shot it with an additional ten rounds of .40 and not a single round made it through.

This stuff did quite a bit better than I expected.


Hillbilly body armor part 2 - YouTube


"Mk II" test:

http://youtu.be/BORLLkLpG6U


Cliff's notes: two tiles with cutting board and bed liner defeated by 7.62x39mm. Stops one round of .45 ACP and defeated by the second.


"Mk III" test:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk_fxBi-a5Y&feature=youtu.be


Cliff's notes: Three tiles with fiberglass and thin layers of bed liner defeated by 7.62x39mm and 5.56x45mm.

Maine
02-20-2013, 11:44
Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to make and post the video.

fx77
02-20-2013, 13:05
Very impressed. Great job. What is the weight of the construct?

Andrew Wiggin
02-20-2013, 13:50
Three tiles weigh 12 pounds (without bed liner) but on the next test I plan to use only two tiles, less bed liner, and cut the tiles down to 10"x12" "shooter's cut". That will reduce weight dramatically.

Booker
02-20-2013, 20:11
So, when do you start with Human Trials?

WoodenPlank
02-20-2013, 20:57
That's pretty darn impressive. I wonder how it would do with a thin (not sheet-metal thin, but thin plate) layer of steel between two ceramic tiles.

itisbruno
02-20-2013, 22:55
Interesting, thanks for the post

Blast
02-21-2013, 06:24
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7081727232/h08FA18EF/

Andrew Wiggin
02-21-2013, 09:40
Man Shoots Himself in the Stomach - YouTube

vafish
02-21-2013, 17:08
Try some tire tread.

posted from my stupid smart phone, please excuse any spelling mistakes.

Andrew Wiggin
02-22-2013, 12:13
Tire tread on its own would probably be sufficient to stop pistol rounds but I don't think it would help much for rifle rounds. Do you know what sort of benefit it would offer over bed liner?

Line Rider
02-23-2013, 10:22
Ricard Davis first shot himself in the 1970 as way to demonstrate his new invention the body armorer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCYdNmnUAX4

Glockdude1
02-23-2013, 10:29
Does body armor come with a money back guarantee?

You know if it does not work.........


:tongueout:

wilsoni91
02-23-2013, 14:30
Ricard Davis first shot himself in the 1970 as way to demonstrate his new invention the body armorer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCYdNmnUAX4

I wear my Second Chance every time I am on duty because you just never do know.

Andrew Wiggin
02-24-2013, 09:22
Does body armor come with a money back guarantee?

You know if it does not work.........


:tongueout:

I know you were just kidding but most people shot with handgun rounds who are NOT wearing body armor survive. Many companies will replace a vest for free if it was used in a legal use of force situation.

ithaca_deerslayer
02-24-2013, 09:38
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7081727232/h08FA18EF/

"Two for flinching!"

___________
I joined the NRA, have you yet?

Joshhtn
02-24-2013, 09:47
The show "Mythbusters" touched on this once, I think... Great vid!

chewybaca67
02-24-2013, 10:18
Tagged. I'd like to make some panels. Heavy lookin', but seems to be pretty effective. I remember watching Mythbusters build something similar as well.

waawaaweenie
02-24-2013, 10:26
you could probably use some kevlar in between the tiles and it would be lighter and stronger and is used with polyester resin used for fiberglass.if done with the minimal amount of resin, it may replace one tile and possibly the bed liner which has to be heavy

thanks, like I need this idea and more irons in the fire. HAHA

Andrew Wiggin
02-26-2013, 10:28
New version is two tiles with a cutting board backer in tactical red. I cut it down to 10"x12" and cut the corners. I actually just measured my Level III steel plate for the dimensions of the corner cuts. Turns out they took 2.5" from each corner so that leaves 5" across the top edge. Those Herculiner cans are a real pain to open. Thought I could make it happen with the Dillo but I had to take after it with a screwdriver. They actually glue the lids down.

http://i50.tinypic.com/bf2fk4.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/1tatc0.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/2jgx36.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/iogsc6.jpg

Angry Fist
02-26-2013, 10:46
Cool! Waiting for the new results.

Andrew Wiggin
03-01-2013, 17:59
So when I pulled it off the grocery bag I had it sitting on to dry, the bed liner peeled right off the cutting board. I roughed it up with a wire wheel and reapplied the bed liner.

tuica
03-01-2013, 18:23
I have also heard that one of the best bullet resistant objects is...National Geographic! That high quality, thick paper, bound tightly together resists object penetration well.

Would like to try this outside sometime with various (pistol) calibers. If you have the notion, and the Geo's, please give it a try - not on any live animals, please - and post results. Cheers.

AsSeenOnTV
03-01-2013, 18:27
That's pretty darn impressive. I wonder how it would do with a thin (not sheet-metal thin, but thin plate) layer of steel between two ceramic tiles.

Would probably cause some unwanted projectiles to go up into your throat.

silverfd
03-02-2013, 07:07
I wear my Second Chance every time I am on duty because you just never do know.


but what if he shot you in the face (in my best dumb and dumber impression...)

dudel
03-02-2013, 12:54
Tire tread on its own would probably be sufficient to stop pistol rounds but I don't think it would help much for rifle rounds. Do you know what sort of benefit it would offer over bed liner?

A steel belted truck tire is not a reliable stopper of 22LR. Most shots from my 10/22 go right through. Any angle tends to deflect them. I learned this from when I thought I could use them for a backstop. Fail. I now have a 4' x 6' 1/2 steel plate at an angle behind landscape timbers. Timbers catch most rounds. steel plate traps the rest.

Landscape timbers would not make a very good hillbilly vest though.:supergrin:

Andrew Wiggin
03-04-2013, 11:05
Could be a little heavy.

Palouse
03-04-2013, 13:13
The heart, Ramon. Don't forget the heart. Aim for the heart, or you'll never stop me.

Sorry. Seemed fitting.

Manson
03-05-2013, 14:58
I modeled a triple tile one after your first one and will be testing it soon with some close up video. Im curious to see how the two tile one works

Seven High
03-05-2013, 16:32
You could always make body armor out of a pot belly stove like Clint Eastwood did!

AZson
03-05-2013, 18:51
Believe it or not the M! tank has ceramic as part of it's armor.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/m1-tank4.htm

thinktwice
03-06-2013, 00:19
One thing law enforcement administrators need to keep up with is that body armor DOES have an expiration date, and needless to say this is of the up most importance. My departments (which I won't name) had SWAT TEAM members wearing body armor that was 5 years out of date, until a lone member discovered it. At that time new armor was issued ASAP. So LEAO's check your armor, and stay safe.

Andrew Wiggin
03-06-2013, 13:36
That would be a much less serious issue for the SWAT officers than it would have been for a beat cop because they typically wear that armor less. Although there is an expiration date, armor doesn't exactly spoil so much as wear out. Soft armor that is stored lying flat in a cool, dark place like under your bed will last indefinitely while armor that is worn every day, exposed to temperature extremes, flexed, sweated on, etc. will wear out after only a couple years.

gnepig
03-11-2013, 14:54
Any more test's /videos from you guys on this? I love this redneck stuff...

moeman
03-11-2013, 18:01
The cool thing is the OP is using commodity items--cheap!

The question I want to know is the second shot--the first shoot has good results--a second shot anywhere near the first punches right thru--right??

moeman
03-11-2013, 18:02
Believe it or not the M! tank has ceramic as part of it's armor.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/m1-tank4.htm

for a different reason--- the ceramic won't melt and enter the tank (killing the crew) like steel will... great for HEAT rounds.

Andrew Wiggin
03-11-2013, 20:38
Bump for update.

Andrew Wiggin
03-11-2013, 20:41
The cool thing is the OP is using commodity items--cheap!

The question I want to know is the second shot--the first shoot has good results--a second shot anywhere near the first punches right thru--right??

Not exactly. On the test with three tiles, I hit fairly close (about 3" apart) with the 7.62 hits and it worked. I also hit really close with the .40 S&W. I think that you're right, though, that a rifle hit within one inch of the previous hit would have a high probability of failure.

Andrew Wiggin
04-06-2013, 07:14
Hillbilly body armor Mk IV:

http://i49.tinypic.com/125gfmo.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/23uegls.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/osqzwp.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/ao969y.jpg


Three tiles, with a layer of bed liner and woven fiberglass fabric on the back side of each layer. I also made one with the same configuration but only two tiles, which I think will be good for multiple pistol hits or maybe one .223/5.56mm. I was very conservative with the bed liner.

datatech2550
04-06-2013, 13:59
Why am I suddenly thinking about a tornado room?

Line the walls and install a good steel door.....master closet upgrade ahead.

Angry Fist
04-06-2013, 14:31
Why am I suddenly thinking about a tornado room?

Line the walls and install a good steel door.....master closet upgrade ahead.
Good idea.

Andrew Wiggin
04-23-2013, 16:49
Bump for the update.

gnepig
04-23-2013, 18:12
Bump for the update.


Yes!... updateness please.

:cool:

Andrew Wiggin
04-23-2013, 18:20
Yes!... updateness please.

:cool:


New video is in the OP. ;^)

gatorboy
04-23-2013, 19:59
Try some tire tread.

posted from my stupid smart phone, please excuse any spelling mistakes.


I shot up some Nitto Mud Grapplers (E, 10 ply) that were worn down but not out. No belts exposed or even visable, they had about 1/16 of tread left. Most ammo I used (9mm, 357auto, 40, 10mm and 7.62x39) went through at least once on the outside and through the sidewall's at least once. I was'nt closer than 20 ft., maybe up to 50 ft. I shot some 180 gr. 10mm GD's and I found two of about 30. Other ammo was mostly FMJ (9mm) and TMJ (the rest). Barrel lengths were 4 and 4.5". The AK (16") just blew through like a hot bullet through warm butter.

I wonder how laminate tiles inbetween the ceramic tiles would fair? Maybe use the bedliner on both sides of all tile and laminate tile glue in between?

Thanks for the time and effort with your test.

F350
04-23-2013, 22:34
I just had a 12 hour drive and got to thinking about this thread; when hit a single tile tends to shatter and fracture the entire tile. As I understand it military vests are made of a mosaic of tiles like a honeycomb, so only the tile hit shatters preserving the other tiles.

So what if one were to use those small tiles adhered to an open weave backing so they can be put down like larger single tiles. You could lay over a barrel to impart some curvature to better fit the body, use an epoxy like you would grout to to add some resistance between tiles and coat with bed liner as before, as you cut the top corners of each layer make sure the individual tiles overlap(like the seams in a brick wall) so you don't have the seams lining up. At least in theory only the tile square hit and maybe those next to it should be compromised maintaining the integrity of the majority of the vest.

If I can find the time I may play with this, it sounds interesting.

And instead of fiberglass fabric between layers of tile, or in this case to adhere the tiles to...

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10756__3K_Carbon_Fiber_and_Kevlar_29_Cloth_180g_m2_1mtr_.html?gclid=CPKV8_O_4rYCFS9dQgodtWoAVA