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TedG
02-20-2013, 12:39
Sheriffs Can 'Inspect' Homes for Gun Storage under Democrat Bill
By Bobby Eberle February 19, 2013 12:31 pm

Is this just the beginning? Not only is Big Brother watching, but if the Democrats in Washington State have their way, sheriffs will have the power to "inspect" homes to make sure people are storing their firearms properly. What's next?

As reported in The Washington Times, the bill "would allow local sheriffs to enter homes of gun owners to ensure their weapons are properly stored."

The bill, pushed by Democrats, allows police to search where and how assault weapons are stored — as well as how safely they are stored, according to its text, listed in the state’s online legislative directory as SB 5737-2013-14.

The bill reads: “In order to continue to possess an assault weapon that was legally possessed on the effective date of this section, the person in possession shall … safely and securely store the assault weapon. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection.”

Infowars.com notes that the Democrats are now backpedaling from their position because, "if enacted, the law will allow police to search without a court-issued search warrant the homes of owners of legally purchased firearms."

Sen. Adam Kline of Seattle, a Democrat who is described by the Seattle Times as “hyper-attuned to civil-liberties issues,” sponsored the legislation without reading the eight page bill. “I made a mistake,” he told the newspaper. “I frankly should have vetted this more closely.”

The primary sponsor of the bill, Sen. Ed Murray, also a Democrat from Seattle, condemned the bill subsection authorizing police to search homes without a warrant. He said the plan to harass and intimidate legal gun owners is probably unconstitutional.

What are these people thinking? Will they put together any left wing garbage bill as long as there is no uproar? Do we really have to be on guard 24-7 to make sure America is still America? I guess so.

These people have no sense at all. They are violating the freedoms that make us Americans, and even worse, they are doing it all in the name of trying to "solve a problem." Well, here's a message for those on the left, passing bills that make it harder for law-abiding citizens to possess firearms only gives criminals an even bigger advantage.

DonD
02-20-2013, 13:05
Simply outrageous, this piece of garbage should never come to a vote. It's seriously infringing upon the right not to have unwarranted search and seizure. They'll say no seizure but anyone want to trust some liberal Democratic cretin politician? I wouldn't.

The monumental losers simply don't care what the Constitution says, their ends justify any means.

Appreciative that this type of trash would NEVER make it out of committee in the TX legislature. Don :steamed:

The_Gun_Guru
02-20-2013, 13:10
If we don't allow them access then they can't enforce the law. If enough of us deny them the "right" to check, then they will just go away. If they start getting shot because they are violating the U.S. Constitution, it will get better!

Fighting back is the only thing that will change things!!!


TGG

donmor53
02-20-2013, 15:29
Only after the fight...

The_Gun_Guru
02-20-2013, 15:44
Only after the fight...

UNITED we are strong! Divided we are WEAK!!!!!


Shoot first and let God sort them out! God is on OUR side!


TGG

Palouse
02-20-2013, 15:59
I have a hard time believing Adam Klein's claims that this was a mistake.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/02/20/about-that-mistake-that-almost-created-a-police-state-in-washington/

This from the ILA yesterday:

Today, House Bill 1588, legislation that could criminalize private sales of firearms and lead to handgun registration, was amended and reported by the House Judiciary Committee by a 7-6 vote. HB 1588 is now headed to the House Rules Committee before going to the floor of the state House of Representatives. It is imperative that you contact your state Representatives and the members of the House Rules Committee TODAY and urge them to oppose HB 1588.

G23c
02-20-2013, 16:11
too much. we should insist on the "shall not be infringed" of 2A and look to repeal the restrictive provisions of the NFA and GCA.

The_Gun_Guru
02-20-2013, 16:42
We NEED a FIGHT!!!!!

It's the ONLY way we are going to get our rights restored!


It's civil war or slavery.......you decide folks!!!!!!


























TGG

cmb
02-20-2013, 16:45
Simply outrageous, this piece of garbage should never come to a vote. It's seriously infringing upon the right not to have unwarranted search and seizure. They'll say no seizure but anyone want to trust some liberal Democratic cretin politician? I wouldn't.

The monumental losers simply don't care what the Constitution says, their ends justify any means.

Appreciative that this type of trash would NEVER make it out of committee in the TX legislature. Don :steamed:
I WISH we could count on the DEMOCRAT Politicians to be "DEMOCRATIC",We can't and they're NOT.

SouthernBoyVA
02-20-2013, 16:48
This was one of the reasons I moved out of Arlington County, Virginia fifteen years ago. A new police chief had come on board and wanted the authority to inspect homes where there were Class 3 firearms present.... how they were stored.

Sorry. No search warrant legally issued, no entrance onto my property.

Jason D
02-20-2013, 17:24
The only way some ******* is going to enter my home to inspect my private legally purchased property is over my dead body.

The_Gun_Guru
02-20-2013, 18:20
The only way some ******* is going to enter my home to inspect my private legally purchased property is over my dead body.

You, sir, are a true Patriot! :patriot:


TGG

12131
02-20-2013, 18:39
From my warm dead hands.
We're living in a upside down world, gentlemen, where the thugs run the government, and the law-abiding citizens are criminalized.

bigkrackers
02-20-2013, 18:51
In WA, that part of the bill has now been taken out. If you read the original article in the Seattle PI the author of the bill said that it was intentionally put in there because he thought the bill would not pass anyway and so it was added to show where they want to go with the law down the road. Also, there were penalties for not allowing LEO into your home. Article didn't say what they were.

DevilDocsGlocks
02-20-2013, 18:54
If they are able to search, I will fill my gun safe with Porn and sex toys to screw with their minds,,

cowboywannabe
02-20-2013, 19:01
you cant have your dope and your gun rights too.

Palouse
02-20-2013, 19:09
you cant have your dope and your gun rights too.

Ain't that the truth.

Fireman1291
02-20-2013, 19:10
too much. we should insist on the "shall not be infringed" of 2A and look to repeal the restrictive provisions of the NFA and GCA.

Amen! I have thousands tied up in NFA but I would "loose" those paid taxes any day to gain our RIGHTS BACK!

The_Gun_Guru
02-20-2013, 19:16
From my warm dead hands.
We're living in a upside down world, gentlemen, where the thugs run the government, and the law-abiding citizens are criminalized.

The reason we NEED a war!:wavey:

In WA, that part of the bill has now been taken out. If you read the original article in the Seattle PI the author of the bill said that it was intentionally put in there because he thought the bill would not pass anyway and so it was added to show where they want to go with the law down the road. Also, there were penalties for not allowing LEO into your home. Article didn't say what they were.

Well, assuming these officers survive the hail of gunfire, how bad could it be?

I will kill or die for my rights.




Will you?

TGG

Booker
02-20-2013, 19:49
I'm cool with the inspection as long as they an appointment and only if they are wearing their hats!

Rinspeed
02-20-2013, 19:53
you cant have your dope and your gun rights too.



:dunno: :dunno:

12131
02-20-2013, 20:09
I'm cool with the inspection as long as they an appointment and only if they are wearing their hats!
Not sure if serious.
If serious, you're ok with cops calling you up to make an appointment to go into your house to inspect your firearms?:dunno:

byf43
02-20-2013, 20:14
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/2APoster_zpsa575e97a.jpg

wavetrain75
02-20-2013, 20:19
Not possible, Flipper has told us time and again it won't happen.

Rinspeed
02-20-2013, 21:13
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/2APoster_zpsa575e97a.jpg




Sadly, that is what it is going to come down to. :whistling:

The_Gun_Guru
02-20-2013, 21:22
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/2APoster_zpsa575e97a.jpg

Sadly, that is what it is going to come down to. :whistling:

Yep.

There are more than 150 MILLION gun owners in this country. If even 1% of them (1.5 MILLION) tell the feds to go screw themselves, Obama and his henchmen will be staring down the barrels of MORE THAN 1.5 MILLION guns!!!!



That's a lot of pursuation if you asked me.


TGG

DonD
02-20-2013, 22:16
From my warm dead hands.
We're living in a upside down world, gentlemen, where the thugs run the government, and the law-abiding citizens are criminalized.

Isn't that the truth? We have Homeland Security training their little cadres of monitors/spies, graduated their first class a little while ago.

What is the need? They have Border Patrol and ICE, they don't need anymore enforcers. Don

Shark1007
02-20-2013, 23:03
Don't think they will ever pass anything like this. Poorly reasoned out.

mr00jimbo
02-20-2013, 23:09
I'm sad to say but this is already a reality in Canada. I have never been victim of it, but cops can come and inspect your gun storage situation, apparently with permission for you to set up a time to do this.
I don't know WHY. If somebody was storing them willy nilly, why wouldn't they just comply with the law for the inspection?
If they are trying to catch criminals, wouldn't the criminal just move the guns out for the inspection?

I don't know the world today...

Nakanokalronin
02-21-2013, 00:52
So they want to come in and make sure my "papers" are in order. Yea, that will work really well.

Police departments are cutting back severely across the country, so who exactly is going to come and inspect every gun owning house in America once a year?

I guess the so called "assault weapons" need to be locked up but I can throw big bore revolvers, lever actions, hunting rifles and pump shotguns all over the house. LOL, the stupidity never stops. The real fact is these dimwits KNOW none of this BS is going to do a damn thing. Biden, the leader of it all appointed by Zero has admitted it on camera. This only means that another agenda is at hand, period.

Lowjiber
02-21-2013, 06:25
If they start getting shot because they are violating the U.S. Constitution, it will get better!

Fighting back is the only thing that will change things!!!
Here's my take...

I'm pretty sure the third "sheriff" will get to "inspect" my home. It's going to take at least three, because I'm pretty sure I can take out the first two before they kill me.

bigkrackers
02-21-2013, 22:02
The reason we NEED a war!:wavey:



Well, assuming these officers survive the hail of gunfire, how bad could it be?

I will kill or die for my rights.




Will you?

TGG

Does anyone know if a gun owner refused to give up their firearms and resorted to violent conflict in NO after Katrina? I don't recall any incidences which means, no one was home or the owners gave them up. I'm sure many in NO would say the same things you are saying now just days before K hit if they found themselves in this conversation. But let's face it, if you are a father to small children and or a husband, are you going to get yourself killed and maybe your family along with you? Or maybe you just serve prison time and never get to legally own a gun again.

NO was a pretty good test case in what would likely happen with regards to gun confiscation. Not saying their wouldn't be trouble spots but most gun owners have families and if you are going to force a choice between your AR or your kids and wife or your own life, well.....

CanMan
02-21-2013, 22:26
Sen. Adam Kline of Seattle, a Democrat who is described by the Seattle Times as “hyper-attuned to civil-liberties issues,” sponsored the legislation without reading the eight page bill. “I made a mistake,” he told the newspaper. “I frankly should have vetted this more closely.”

Kline apparently has a double standard when it concernes civil liberties. "Hyper-attuned" aren't exactly the words I would use for someone endorsing the circumvention of the 4th Amendment.

I frankly feel that dolts who support or write legislation like this should be responsible for personally enfocing it should it pass.

The_Gun_Guru
02-21-2013, 22:43
Does anyone know if a gun owner refused to give up their firearms and resorted to violent conflict in NO after Katrina? I don't recall any incidences which means, no one was home or the owners gave them up. I'm sure many in NO would say the same things you are saying now just days before K hit if they found themselves in this conversation. But let's face it, if you are a father to small children and or a husband, are you going to get yourself killed and maybe your family along with you? Or maybe you just serve prison time and never get to legally own a gun again.

NO was a pretty good test case in what would likely happen with regards to gun confiscation. Not saying their wouldn't be trouble spots but most gun owners have families and if you are going to force a choice between your AR or your kids and wife or your own life, well.....

I truly feel that you are absolutely wrong about gun owners in America right now.

We are fed up with the government manufacturing mass shootings and talking about taking the guns. We are tired of liberals calling us crazy or fanatical. If you think we are just going to hand them over I'm afraid you are in for a very rude awakening!

America NEEDS another revolution to get back to where our founding fathers want us to be - FREE!!! They knew the government would eventually try this crap and THAT is why they gave us the Bill of Rights!

Prepare for the worst, but hope for the best.

I am preparing for the worst.....and I am NOT alone!


TGG

slumpmaster
02-21-2013, 23:01
Sen. Adam Kline of Seattle, a Democrat who is described by the Seattle Times as “hyper-attuned to civil-liberties issues,” sponsored the legislation without reading the eight page bill. “I made a mistake,” he told the newspaper. “I frankly should have vetted this more closely.”

Kline apparently has a double standard when it concernes civil liberties. "Hyper-attuned" aren't exactly the words I would use for someone endorsing the circumvention of the 4th Amendment.

I frankly feel that dolts who support or write legislation like this should be responsible for personally enfocing it should it pass.


Kline is a fool.

It's a safe bet that even if they passed any of this nonsense, you wouldn't be able to find a Sherriff Dept. east of the Cascades that would enforce it, considering how many Sherriffs here have told the Feds what they can do with their pending legislation already.

Berto
02-22-2013, 05:28
Kline and his fellow bedwetters are already distancing themselves from this bill, with the usual excuses. They were probably hoping it would sneak through, the same way other garbage has passed over the years.

bigkrackers
02-22-2013, 10:50
I truly feel that you are absolutely wrong about gun owners in America right now.

We are fed up with the government manufacturing mass shootings and talking about taking the guns. We are tired of liberals calling us crazy or fanatical. If you think we are just going to hand them over I'm afraid you are in for a very rude awakening!

America NEEDS another revolution to get back to where our founding fathers want us to be - FREE!!! They knew the government would eventually try this crap and THAT is why they gave us the Bill of Rights!

Prepare for the worst, but hope for the best.

I am preparing for the worst.....and I am NOT alone!


TGG

I very we'll could be wrong. I'm not about NO gun owners laying down their weapons though. And I also think that many who have your attitude envision this Red Dawn scenario where the government sends in their shock troops to take everyone's guns. It's not going to be like that. It's going to be a slow and methodical process. A process that began about 50 years ago.

I'm not sure if you have young kids so you might not be aware of this but, every public and private school in this country that has zero tolerance rules has been teaching this last generation of kids that guns are to be feared, that they are evil and you better not talk about them, draw pictures of them, write about them or even mime one with your hands. If you do, you will be punished.
They are not being taught the Constitution and Bill of Rights and they know nothing of why and how this country was founded.

By the time this generation is old enough to vote, the next generation will be completely convinced that private gun ownership is unnecessary. In the next 20 years there will be more mass shootings and every time one happens we will lose rights via the Feds and state by state.

it's going to be a slow process conducted in plain site in a very democratic way; the next generation will vote for those bills, will vote for the politicians that write and pass those bills.

Obama won the popular vote in 2012 with the country knowing full well what he stood for. This country is changing because the population is changing and there simply isn't enough constitutionalist minded people left and neither political party is particularly interested.

I will be teaching my kids about our founding Fathers and what they envisioned for this country but I'm afraid that they will be in the minority.

ca survivor
02-25-2013, 13:47
If they are able to search, I will fill my gun safe with Porn and sex toys to screw with their minds,,
:rofl::rofl:

G27GenFour
02-25-2013, 15:33
Kline and his fellow bedwetters are already distancing themselves from this bill, with the usual excuses. They were probably hoping it would sneak through, the same way other garbage has passed over the years.

Seattle and King County democrats have over-ridden, legally and possibly otherwise, a number of recent statewide elections all by themselves, since the state's population is so centered there. Kline also admitted, I'm pretty sure, that that exact same text had ACIDENTALLY been copied-and-pasted into the last THREE drafts of that bill, all of which were supposed to have been read and voted on. But gee whiz... NO ONE NOTICED. These are yet more examples of endless ineptitude and dereliction of duty, on both sides of the aisle, in this country, and I think it's for more the rule than the exception. What we elect, here in this state and across the country, often simply astounds me... But of course so many of the elected "replacements" seem to adhere to the same bottom-of-the-barrel standards. Quite, quite sad. I often say, though, that we deserve,unfortunately, what we elect and what we accept.

FH Alum
02-26-2013, 13:47
Oregon House introduced HB 3200 on Friday that is the same exact thing...AFTER all the back peddling by their neighbors to the north!!! You can't tell me this is a mistake and no-one read the bills.

:steamed:

jspook
02-26-2013, 14:42
NO was a pretty good test case in what would likely happen with regards to gun confiscation. Not saying their wouldn't be trouble spots but most gun owners have families and if you are going to force a choice between your AR or your kids and wife or your own life, well.....

Well, you are probably right about it being a good test case and that is what will eventually happen, but what kind of life do you think it will be for your kid's or grandkid's if we keep letting them nibble away at our Constituional Right's? Telling us what we can have and not have. How is it possible that an Idiot can make a law telling "American citizen's" what size soft drink's they can have and not have. That is absolutely unheard of, but it's happening. What's worse than that is the people are letting them get away with it without a fight. It will only get worse, but if all the million's of gun owner's would stand strong, there is no way we could not solve this. They are no better than we are and we are no better than they. We are Americans! We put them in office and we should take them out. They work for us people, not the other way around. We have to unite somehow, I don't know how but we need to show them, enough is enough. No more. JMHO