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PVolk
02-20-2013, 14:02
I friend of mine passed away a couple years ago. And I've recently been helping his wife liquidate some of his gun collection. I've been sticking to the things I'm more familiar with, but she wants me to sell one of the Garand's next, and I don't know much about them. At least, not enough to form a for-sale ad to meet my own standards.

* I was told this particular one is a National Match. How do I verify this is true?

* It's serial number is 3706948. From the research I did, I show this was manufacturerd toward the end of March in 1945. Does that sound about right?

* How does one determine the value of a Garand? They seem to be selling for $800-$4000 and everywhere in between. Any certain features I should look for?

* This one seems incredibly clean. I know my friend has owned it for 17 years and I'm almost positive he has never personally fired it. Is it possible that it was never fired at all? Forgive me if this was a stupid question. I'm just wondering if it's common to find new "old stock" surplus Garands.

* The stock has "FA" stamped into it. Does this stand for Fulton Armory? If so, can anyone explain what that means?


Any advice or general info would be greatly appreciated. I'd like to learn as much as possible about these before I even attempt to sell them.

Glock30Eric
02-20-2013, 14:14
tagged.

countrygun
02-20-2013, 14:19
The date you have is for the receiver alone. A Springfield "National Match" will have a hooded rear sight "NM" stamped on the Op rod and Star on the barrel behind the front sight (to sow the barrel had been air gauged) there will be a number of smaller modification as well to include glass bedding.

Fulton Armory was/is a private company that does such modifications and as such their work commands a bit of a premium over a "stock Garand" but not nearly into the range of an original NM.

The M-1 market is very "flexible" depending on what the buyer wants and how quick the seller wants to see the cash. Around my area a Fulton armory used will run about 15-20 % more than a really good and clean "Stock" Garand if it is sitting on the LGS rack. But again that is my area and our market, with the current market elsewhere I wouldn't be surprised to find a buyer that would go 50% above stock.

PVolk
02-20-2013, 14:26
So, a Garand is modified from original form to become a National Match? I'll have to look for the "NM" stamp on it.

m2hmghb
02-20-2013, 14:51
The FA could be an arsenal stamp. M1s that were rebuilt at an arsenal were stamped with a stamp designating it. I don't recall an FA but there could be one. I don't know if Fulton Armory stamps their stocks with FA.

National Match designates a series of improvements and modifications of the service rifle to be used in the National Match competitions. They include a different diameter rear sight, a different width front sight, a star gauged barrel, an Op-Rod from the 77 series with an NM on them, a trigger group that has been honed to no less then 4.5 lbs(although some honed it to less with oil, and then cleaned the oil off before the rifle was tested then relubed after testing). The stock will normally be glass bedded as well.

PVolk
02-20-2013, 15:11
Thanks for the info.

Here are some pictures I took of it yesterday. Let me know what you think of it.


http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/M1%20Garand/20130219_212420_zps3a759b6b.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/M1%20Garand/20130219_212435_zps8ceade8e.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/M1%20Garand/20130219_212456_zps8ce35fa1.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/M1%20Garand/20130219_212906_zpsd7a1af15.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/M1%20Garand/20130219_212733_zps5a9a2b7a.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/M1%20Garand/20130219_212722_zps35359591.jpg

PVolk
02-20-2013, 15:12
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/M1%20Garand/20130219_212620_zpsb6c357e8.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/M1%20Garand/20130219_212647_zps43bf2f60.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/M1%20Garand/20130219_212655_zps971b2aa7.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/M1%20Garand/20130219_212701_zps52e117a4.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/M1%20Garand/20130219_212835_zpsb01964da.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/M1%20Garand/20130219_213027_zps254b4972.jpg

PVolk
02-20-2013, 15:19
Sorry for the misorientation of some of the images. Photobucket is really sucking today.

countrygun
02-20-2013, 15:21
I see nothing that suggests any "Match" treatment. IMO it looks like a high end Fulton armory "Arsenal Rebuilds". Very nicely done but not original. Still again IMO to a "shooter", like myself, I would pay quite a bit over the going rate for a CMP rack grade to get an FA rebuild.

Opinions about Fulton are all over the map but most has to do with prices and CS. Very few complaints about the product once it's "in hand"

countrygun
02-20-2013, 15:23
Sorry for the misorientation of some of the images. Photobucket is really sucking today.

Don't worry, on it's best day photpukeit sucks, I noticed today that it is throwing a full length liplock on the green weenie.

PVolk
02-20-2013, 15:36
I see nothing that suggests any "Match" treatment. IMO it looks like a high end Fulton armory "Arsenal Rebuilds". Very nicely done but not original. Still again IMO to a "shooter", like myself, I would pay quite a bit over the going rate for a CMP rack grade to get an FA rebuild.

Opinions about Fulton are all over the map but most has to do with prices and CS. Very few complaints about the product once it's "in hand"
Thanks for the post.

So is a Fulton Armory rebuild just new parts built around a period receiver? Are they typically worth more or less than an original period Garand?

countrygun
02-20-2013, 15:51
Thanks for the post.

So is a Fulton Armory rebuild just new parts built around a period receiver? Are they typically worth more or less than an original period Garand?

It is extremely complicated when it comes to M-1s because it is a multi-layered price structure. For instance there are basically NO original Garands in that condition and the vast majority have been rebuilt by the military and still aren't going to be found in that condition, rebuilt very often.

Because of the amount of rebuilding done by the military arsenal MOST buyers forgo the usual "all original" caveat that is attached to most firearms. The market further breaks down by condition, bore an throat erosion, condition of cartouches etc. Private company rebuilds are yet another field. Often they use new parts but some use "new" or reconditioned GI parts and they are their own specialty.

The good news is that Fulton is considered to be about the top of that market. Bering in mind that it is no longer in the "G.I." category they still can get a respectable price.

I THINK the last time I saw Fulton ad in SGN they were asking $1299 for the top end rebuild, but that was a while ago. I don't know with the whacky "panic market" we have right now if it has affected the M-1 significantly yet, BUT if I were in a decent sized market area, today, I wouldn't be embarrassed to ask the full price for a new Fulton, on that particular rifle in that condition. That provided I could get an erosion gauging of the barrel just as a matter of form.

Sorry to be long winded, but I am really in a remote place and I have to hedge any estimates with a lot of background, to give perspective, because it's been a long time since I have been in a gun shop with more than a couple dozen rifles total

m2hmghb
02-20-2013, 16:44
That's what they call their standard service rifle, it's listed as 1700 on their web page but that price is very doubtful. I'd put the value at 1000-1300 personally.

RGbiker
02-20-2013, 20:42
<sigh>....and to think, I turned down an offer to purchase my NEW issue H&R M-1 Garand as I was leaving active duty in 1961......................................................

For $63.00 USD...:crying:

den308
02-20-2013, 21:17
Looks great, but not National Match. You should be able to get a good chunk of money for it, but I would keep it.

faawrenchbndr
02-21-2013, 05:15
Not a National Match, but a very nice Fulton.
From what I have seen, that should fetch about $1600

PVolk
02-21-2013, 07:51
Thanks for the posts guys.

Now I know enough about 1 of the 3 Garands. Onto the next two. :)

PVolk
02-21-2013, 21:19
To add to this; we found the original receipt for this Garand today. It looks like there was a $102 upcharge for "Krieger BBL, NM Trigger Mod". So it does at least have a match trigger. Anybody familiar with the Krieger addition?

countrygun
02-21-2013, 21:53
To add to this; we found the original receipt for this Garand today. It looks like there was a $102 upcharge for "Krieger BBL, NM Trigger Mod". So it does at least have a match trigger. Anybody familiar with the Krieger addition?

Hot ziggity! that is a nice addition to an M-1 rebuild. IMO today, that and the NM trigger work would add more than $102 to the value.

PVolk
02-21-2013, 22:40
Good to hear. So, what is a "Krieger BBL"? A different barrel?

Wyoming
02-21-2013, 23:15
Good to hear. So, what is a "Krieger BBL"? A different barrel?

Krieger is a barrel maker in Richfield, WI noted for making premium barrels that are cut rifled.

Midway has one on clearance sale for $419. If you order on from the factory they are predicting a nine month wait.

What this all means is when FA did their rebuild they put in a good barrel. You don't go through all the trouble to put in a match barrel then cheap out the rest to save money.

Your M1 is worth more than the average bear Bo Bo:cool:

Run&Shoot
02-21-2013, 23:47
Fulton Armory rebuild means they have gone through the rifle in detail to endure all parts are within spec and replaced those which were too worn. Looks like it was reparkerized and new stock. The CMP was selling similar rifles as Service Grade Plus or something for $900 I think. Then you add in the Kreiger barrel and trigger work.

Garands are also in demand these days. CMP can't keep up with the demand, so a Garand readily available should have some premium. I agree with the $1,600 estimate. This is not a collectable but is a near top end match rifle meant for competition. NM parts might have pushed into the $2,000 range.

Browse gunbroker.com to see the price if comparable Garands.

faawrenchbndr
02-22-2013, 04:37
I would stick with a CMP rifle or one from Fulton or Deans.
Unless you are very knowledgeable, you can easily get screwed on a GunBroker Garand

Restless28
02-22-2013, 04:49
I would stick with a CMP rifle or one from Fulton or Deans.
Unless you are very knowledgeable, you can easily get screwed on a GunBroker Garand

This is where I'm at. Local folks selling Garands look puzzled when you ask about T/E. I don't know much about the rifles, but I would think that knowledgable sellers would know. I'm hesitant to buy one.

schild
02-22-2013, 05:11
http://www.scottschildgen.com/photos/i-Vdr2j5x/0/L/i-Vdr2j5x-L.jpg

Not the best photo, this is a NM rear sight.

If it isn't NM I'd value the gun about $1200

faawrenchbndr
02-22-2013, 05:28
This is where I'm at. Local folks selling Garands look puzzled when you ask about T/E. I don't know much about the rifles, but I would think that knowledgable sellers would know. I'm hesitant to buy one.

A Garand from CMP would be the BEST option. Fulton makes a
great one as well. Bacpsically a new rifle built on a USGI receiver.