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Pier23
02-22-2013, 19:26
I live in Ohio, which I consider middle of the pack. Which are the best gun states?

I am immediately dropping Texas which, for some inexplicable reason, does not reciprocate Ohio's CCW permit.

bac1023
02-22-2013, 19:29
PA is a good one...

FloridaGun
02-22-2013, 19:43
The Great Gunshine State of Florida!

AsSeenOnTV
02-22-2013, 19:51
Im living in Alaska. No concealed carry permit required, and open or concealed carry is the norm.

ithaca_deerslayer
02-22-2013, 19:53
NYS by far!

We are doing a count down of the 50 best gun states, right? I tried to post first, you others can wait your turn :)

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AsSeenOnTV
02-22-2013, 19:56
NYS by far!

We are doing a count down of the 50 best gun states, right? I tried to post first, you others can wait your turn :)


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I should have waited to become the 50th post then! :supergrin:

JerryVO
02-22-2013, 19:57
Unfortunately the gunshine state is one of only 6 States that do not have an open carry provision and there is not one in site any time soon. Other that that it is not to bad. You can't conceal carry at sporting events, schools, polling places, government buildings, bars, or the portion of a restaurant where the primary purpose is to serve alcohol. That last one is the pita and the subject of constant debate. Technically you can't walk through the bar at an outback to get to the restroom but you can sit in the restaurant part and eat. You can be totally plastered and carry though as long as the gun is not in your hand 'immediately accessible' so iwb and drunk is ok. (I know what sense does that make with the primary portion of a restaurant provision. It is also probably not a smart thing to do)

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RGbiker
02-22-2013, 20:09
Arizona.

CCW permit? We don't got no permit, we don't need no steenkin' permit......:supergrin:

CBennett
02-22-2013, 20:29
pa is good

nightstalker865
02-22-2013, 21:07
Tennessee.

adamg01
02-22-2013, 21:32
Virginia certainly isn't the best but they are better than most.

DoubleWide
02-22-2013, 21:42
Depends on what you care about

Age? Purchase or carry?
Open Carry?
Concealed Carry?
Permits required to carry?
Carry in schools, bars, government buildings?
Carry while intoxicated?
honoring other state CCW permits?
being honored by states?
FTF transfers?
NFA, class 3?
Castle Doctrine? in public?
Background checks?

Actual non-enforcement/enforcement of laws? Just try open carrying in some of the major cities.

427
02-22-2013, 21:52
New Mexico

GAFinch
02-22-2013, 21:56
Georgia is good.

ChuteTheMall
02-22-2013, 22:12
Depends on what you care about

Age? Purchase or carry?
Open Carry?
Concealed Carry?
Permits required to carry?
Carry in schools, bars, government buildings?
Carry while intoxicated?
honoring other state CCW permits?
being honored by states?
FTF transfers?
NFA, class 3?
Castle Doctrine? in public?
Background checks?

Actual non-enforcement/enforcement of laws? Just try open carrying in some of the major cities.

Virginia allows the above, requiring a permit only when carrying concealed; Not allowed in schools, but bars and even the state capital are OK.

No permit is required for open carry.

Better than Castle Doctrine are Stand Your Ground laws, which even work outside your home.

Open carry & FTF sales are probably what our homeboy founding fathers had in mind with the 2nd amendment.

willdabeast
02-22-2013, 22:47
NH is pretty good, no permit needed for OC and shall issue CC. Also no restrictions on NFA stuff. VT is better on carry with no permit needed for either OC or CC, but no suppressors.

bac1023
02-22-2013, 22:51
pa is good

No doubt

Let's just hope and pray it stays that way.

DoubleWide
02-22-2013, 23:42
NH is pretty good, no permit needed for OC and shall issue CC. Also no restrictions on NFA stuff. VT is better on carry with no permit needed for either OC or CC, but no suppressors.

Not having a permit hurts for reciprocity. :crying:

Brimstone_
02-22-2013, 23:58
Utah gets a perfect zero from the Brady Campaign. We have a bill (with a lot of support) before the state legislature right now that would make it a felony for any federal employee to confiscate firearms within Utah.

seamaster
02-23-2013, 01:56
Utah is sounding good and they have nice wilderness.

InsaneGorilla
02-23-2013, 03:16
Kentucky is great!

Lvs1935
02-23-2013, 07:03
Not to bad here in South Carolina.

Aceman
02-23-2013, 07:20
How is TX not in here yet? I guess they are all out shooting this morning...

I'll second FL

Filhar
02-23-2013, 07:22
Wisconsin needs to be in there. Open Carry, DD 214 or Hunter Safety is all you need for a concealed permit, carry in a bar as long as you're not drinking.

Pier23
02-23-2013, 07:25
pa is good

Oh? No reciprocity with Ohio...?.??.

Seems to me if you have a CC right in your state, you should honor all other states CC...but maybe I view things too simply...

Ohio has open carry/shall issue, but open carry in a city gets you a quick trip to the local cop shop, for reasons I hae not understood...

MrVvrroomm
02-23-2013, 07:46
Arizona.

CCW permit? We don't got no permit, we don't need no steenkin' permit......:supergrin:^^^this

My parents live in Tucson. It's my kinda place.

Beretta92guy
02-23-2013, 07:48
Kentuckian here, very good state!!!!

Zombie Steve
02-23-2013, 08:48
Colorado is a great gun state... shall issue, the "make my day" law, open carry...


That is, it's a great state this weekend. We'll see what it looks like when the chowderheads in Denver get back together on Monday.

AZson
02-23-2013, 12:10
Arizona hands down, aside from the fact we can open carry, need no permit for conceal carry, we do not have to run from any bad guy we can just shoot if we feel intimidated any where-home- car- business-walking down the street and if we do shoot we still cannot be arrested with out a grand-jury indictment, we can display as a deterrent and not get arrested, with a permit we can carry in a bar with-out drinking, we have no limits on magazine size when hunting and here are the latest laws being introduced in our senate.

HB 2234 - An AzCDL-requested bill that would standardize the definition of firearms in ARS 13-105 and remove duplicate and/or conflicting definitions in other statutes.

HB 2326 - Would prohibit maintaining information on a person who possesses, purchases, transfers or sells a firearm except in the course of a law enforcement investigation.

HB 2433 - Would eliminate the statutory age cap (currently 45 years old) on who is a member of the state militia (i.e., all able-bodied citizens capable of bearing arms).

HB 2455 - An AzCDL requested bill that would clarify that firearms voluntarily surrendered to a state or local entity cannot be destroyed and must be sold.

HB 2554 - An AzCDL-requested bill that would require operators of a public (i.e., state and local government) property, wishing to ban weapons, to do more than slap up a cardboard sign. They would be required to provide real security (e.g., restricted access, armed guards and metal detectors) as well as storage lockers. If an operator of a public building does not comply with the security requirements, the prohibition of firearms would not be enforceable.

SB 1112 - Would prohibit enforcement, by state and federal officials, of federal laws relating to a “personal firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition, that is owned or manufactured commercially or privately in this state and that remains exclusively within the borders of” Arizona. This bill also provides that the Arizona Attorney General may defend a citizen of Arizona who is prosecuted by the feds for violation of related federal firearms laws.

SCR 1015 – A Resolution that the members of the Legislature support the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and reject the consideration of new legislation that would infringe on this constitutionally protected right.

SCR 1016 - Would add to the 2014 general election ballot the question of whether to amend the state Constitution to allow the people of Arizona to reject a federal action that the people determine violates the U.S. Constitution by passing an initiative or referendum, passing a bill, or using any other available legal remedy, and to prohibit the state from using any personnel or resources to enforce or cooperate with a federal action that the people reject.

NBT
02-23-2013, 12:56
I'm partial to FL....

On Sunday, Feb. 17, Watch Dog Wire reported that they received an email from Constitutional Sheriffs stating that all 67 sheriffs in the counties of Florida have signed a pledge declaring that they not only support the Second Amendment, but that they will protect the right of the people to keep and bear arms. 67, that’s every single county in the state.

Florida has become the first state to receive 100% support from every sheriff, which makes a huge statement opposing tyrannical acts against the United States Constitution. A statement that many other states are most likely soon to follow......

http://www.examiner.com/article/every-sheriff-florida-pledges-to-protect-second-amendment-rights?cid=db_articles

wilsoni91
02-23-2013, 13:09
NC is a pretty good state. I like to think we are only a few laws shy of Texas

TxGun
02-23-2013, 13:13
How is TX not in here yet? I guess they are all out shooting this morning...

I'll second FL

Yeah, TX is good. There are better (AZ), but TX has always been strong on gun rights and remains so.

SigFTW
02-23-2013, 13:17
How is TX not in here yet? I guess they are all out shooting this morning...

I'll second FL

I just got back from the range, really :supergrin:, Yes, Texas is a very gun friendly state. However we don't have open carry, but we do have the castle doctrine.:50cal:

Motor City Glocker
02-23-2013, 14:03
Michigan is a great state. We have Castle Doctrine, open carry if you are over 18, and CPL reciprocity with almost every other state. Lastly, we don't have any RIDICULOUS capacity restrictions on our magazines like Kaliforniastan and the Socialist Workers Paradise of New York do.
New York....7 rounds? :faint:Give me a god damn break Cuomo!!!

packeagle
02-23-2013, 14:37
Michigan is a great state. We have Castle Doctrine, open carry if you are over 18, and CPL reciprocity with almost every other state. Lastly, we don't have any RIDICULOUS capacity restrictions on our magazines like Kaliforniastan and the Socialist Workers Paradise of New York do.
New York....7 rounds? :faint:Give me a god damn break Cuomo!!!

Not only Castle but also no duty to retreat.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(2jbkbe55wlcf5b55yn4fg355))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-780-972

Comedian
02-23-2013, 14:43
Im in Nevada and its much better than NY, where i grew up obviously. But Arizona sounds like the best.

checkyoursix
02-23-2013, 22:57
I am in CT, can't even compare with the strongest states as of now, and it's about to get a lot worse. Dark clouds on the horizon for us.

adamg01
02-23-2013, 23:57
Not only Castle but also no duty to retreat.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(2jbkbe55wlcf5b55yn4fg355))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-780-972

I think we are supposed to retreat in VA, which kind of sucks.

Mr KV
02-24-2013, 00:05
I think we are supposed to retreat in VA, which kind of sucks.

I thought you only retreat if you are part of the problem. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Jim85IROC
02-24-2013, 06:11
Vermont has some of the most free gun laws in the country, but our very liberal state legislature, liberal governor and liberal federal senators and representatives are all working diligently to strip us of our rights.

ChuteTheMall
02-24-2013, 06:25
I thought you only retreat if you are part of the problem. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Virginia allows Stand Your Ground, which extends Castle Doctrine to wherever you happen to (legally) be.

You guys defending anti-gun states like Michigan and North Carolina make me sad.
You can't even purchase a pistol without a permit there!
And then Michigan registers it!
It's on an entirely different level from the best gun states.
:upeyes:

In a free state, an American can buy a pistol from anyone, and then proudly strap it on and walk down the street openly and legally, and without any paperwork whatsoever. This is only legal in the best gun states.
In the very best gun states he can do this and then also carry concealed without any permit or paperwork of any kind.

USMC03Grunt
02-24-2013, 07:15
Wyoming

SGT HATRED
02-24-2013, 07:53
The obvious answer is Arizona...

Motor City Glocker
02-24-2013, 14:35
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Michigan is NOT an anti-gun state. True, we may not be as well off as Arizona or Alaska, but we're a hell of a lot better off than California or New York.
I've never been to North Carolina, but I've gotta believe people in that state would say the same thing.:wavey:

SGT HATRED
02-24-2013, 14:37
Michigan is NOT an anti-gun state. True, we may not be as well off as Arizona or Alaska, but we're a hell of a lot better off than California or New York.
I've never been to North Carolina, but I've gotta believe people in that state would say the same thing.:wavey:

If registration is involved like a previous poster claimed (I'm not up to date with MI laws). Then that would be near the bottom of my list...

Motor City Glocker
02-24-2013, 14:45
Unfortunately, we do have to register handguns in Michigan. I have no problem with guns being serialized, but I do oppose having to register them.

I'm curious on a state by state basis, which states register handguns (or long guns) and which states do not.

KenMac
02-24-2013, 14:54
Alabama........reasonable laws, and voted something like 65% for 2A in Nov. Wish more of you had done the same!

EDIT----- Not bashing any of you. Sorry if it sounds that way.

alphacat
02-24-2013, 15:02
If Arizona is the top of the list.
Where is the best gun area in Arizona ?
:horse:

Pier23
02-24-2013, 15:45
Yeah, TX is good. There are better (AZ), but TX has always been strong on gun rights and remains so.

Any idea, then, why Texas doesn't share reciprocity with Ohio? Does TX not reciprocate with ANY state or are they still miffed at the way the Civil War turned out?

Pier23
02-24-2013, 15:59
My wife just completed her Ohio CCW class, and she came home with interesting news. In Ohio, CCW holders have their status tagged to all vehicles they have registered, so if a vehicle that is registered to me is pulled over, the cop already knows my CCW status.

NOW, if a non-CCW holder is driving my car and is pulled over, the cop will assume CC in the car.

And if a non-CCW holder is driving in a CCW-tagged vehicle, and that vehicle has a weapon in it, that non-CCW driver is now guilty of a CCW violation -felony- even though the driver may not know about the weapon in the car.

Vehicle CCW is not being treated uniformly in Ohio. Where I am, the cops are pretty cool, but in the NE area around Cleveland, cops are openly hostile to CCW she was told. So the harrassment level goes up. Most common ploy is to "request" permission to search the car.

The advice given by my wife's instructor, who, among his other sins is an atty, is to state NO firmly and get on the phone to your atty.

There is also a service in the state now which, for an annual membership fee, an atty is made immediately available to work thru the CCW questions with the LEOs.

This is sounding like money well spent right now...

Short Cut
02-24-2013, 16:36
California

Hey this isn't the Comedy Forum, how did I get here. :supergrin:

Pier23
02-24-2013, 18:23
Unfortunately, we do have to register handguns in Michigan. I have no problem with guns being serialized, but I do oppose having to register them.

I'm curious on a state by state basis, which states register handguns (or long guns) and which states do not.

Ohio does not, aside from the ATF form...no idea if that info gets sent to the state or not...I always assumed it did.

boilergonzo
02-25-2013, 08:04
Indiana!

We did earn points (a dubious honor) in two regards by the Brady Campaign:

1.) We do require a State License to carry (concealed and open are both okay). To our credit, we are a "Shall Issue" state, and have the option of a cheap Lifetime Carry Permit ("Carry" = open, concealed, etc., not just concealed!). Short of no requirement at all, it is as painless as it gets. I will admit I am not opposed to the State having some time to screen felons and prohibit carry of convicted criminals (slippery slope, I know... but I can accept denying convicted felons carry permits... some may disagree, and I understand!).

2.) We also got "credit" from Brady et. al. because we do not have a law that forces all college campuses to allow carry.

That is the total sum of our 4 Brady points! Those with zero, two, etc., way to go.

Unlike many (Texas, etc.), as long as you are allowed to carry, you can carry in bars, State Parks, etc. Supressors are allowed (just compliance with federal NFA laws). No quantity limits, no waiting periods, no owner ID cards, no registration, etc.


Pretty good state, Indiana. Shall we call them "Commmon Sense Gun Laws"?

In Indiana, one cannot have firearms on K-12 school property, unless remaining in a car while picking up a child (cannot leave car, go into school, etc.).

Another added benefit is we accept and respect any other State's carry laws (unlike other states that whack us for not requiring firearms classes!). Since we do not require firearms training, fewer states recognize my carry permit (hello Utah and Florida out-of-state license options to allow us to carry in less free/more rule-laden states).

blk69stang
02-25-2013, 08:22
Like stated above, AZ. Why? We have open carry (no permit required), concealed carry / constitutional carry (no permit required), AND we still issue concealed carry permits?

Why do we need CCW permits when we can already CCW without one? So we can have reciprocity with other states. ALSO the CCW permit allows you to carry in more places, as currently bars/restuarants that serve alcohol are off limits to persons without a CCW permit. But you can "restaurant carry" with a CCW permit. It makes it pretty nice, and very "common sense" if you ask me.

Also,

NFA items are A-OK here in AZ, and the climate is dry enough that your guns won't rust while sitting in the safe (like they did in my home state of Maine).

ChuteTheMall
02-25-2013, 08:49
so far it looks like the winner is AZ.

Bren
02-25-2013, 09:35
All around, including self-defense law, I believe Kentucky is the best. Texas' self-defense, defense of property laws are about equal, but they don't have the freedom to carry guns that KY does. Here, you can carry anything that fires bullets, including full-auto or suppressed, openly with no permit (other than what the feds require). Alaska is a candidate, but is stricter on full-auto/NFA weapons, carrying when drinking, carry at schools, non-firearm deadly wepons, possession when under 21 and variuous other things.

I'm pretty sure there isn't another state that is as pro-gun and I've spent plenty of time actually reading the laws and teaching classes about them.

Bren
02-25-2013, 09:47
so far it looks like the winner is AZ.

Arizona is pretty good on gun laws, but I think KY is a little better on self-defense and defense of property and such.

boilergonzo
02-25-2013, 10:12
http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard

Brady campaign ranks 'em! Some here are in pretty strict states (and some don't realize how much better it can be elsewhere!).

Brady Campaign State Scorecards
Rank, State, Score

1 CALIFORNIA 81 4 Stars 4 Star Strongest Gun Laws
2 NEW JERSEY 72 3 Star
3 MASSACHUSETTS 65
4 NEW YORK 62
5 CONNECTICUT 58
6 HAWAII 50

7 MARYLAND 45 2 Star
8 RHODE ISLAND 44
9 ILLINOIS 35 2 Stars
10 PENNSYLVANIA 26
11 MICHIGAN 25

12 NORTH CAROLINA 16 1 Star
Tie, 15th
COLORADO 15
OREGON 15
WASHINGTON 15
Tie 17th
ALABAMA 14
MINNESOTA 14
18 DELAWARE 13
19 VIRGINIA 12

Tie 22nd ZERO STAR STATES!!!!!!
GEORGIA
GEORGIA 8
SOUTH CAROLINA 8
TENNESSEE 8
Tie 25th
IOWA 7
MAINE 7
OHIO 7
Tie 27th
NEW HAMPSHIRE 6
VERMONT 6
Tie 29th
NEBRASKA 5
NEVADA 5
Tie 39th
ARKANSAS 4
INDIANA 4
KANSAS 4
MISSISSIPPI 4
MISSOURI 4
NEW MEXICO 4
SOUTH DAKOTA 4
TEXAS 4
WEST VIRGINIA 4
WYOMING 4
Tie 41st
FLORIDA 3
WISCONSIN 3
Tie 47th
IDAHO 2
KENTUCKY 2
LOUISIANA 2
MONTANA 2
NORTH DAKOTA 2
OKLAHOMA 2
Tie 50th
ALASKA 0
ARIZONA 0
UTAH 0 Weakest Gun Laws


Some states ranked better by Brady standards (like Kentucky and Indiana) have historically had Stand Your Ground policies (even pre-dating Castle Doctrine), and probably deserve even more credit (+ or - depending on if NRA or Brady is driving the survey!).

Indiana is trying to put gun right protection laws in place (as are others) while some are trying to put stricter laws in place (New York's new bans are not reflected in this data, so they are probably 4 or 5 star now!).

krisspy
02-25-2013, 11:00
Kentucky is great and our reps are all strongly 2A.

dajowi
02-25-2013, 15:22
All of this apparently is subject to change...at the whim of a madman.

kahrcarrier
02-25-2013, 15:28
Kentucky and Indiana definitely are contenders.........

2740dmx
02-25-2013, 18:19
I'm liking Vermont.

NO permit required for concealed or open carry.

If you can legally own it.....you can carry it!

G36's Rule
02-25-2013, 18:28
Any idea, then, why Texas doesn't share reciprocity with Ohio? Does TX not reciprocate with ANY state or are they still miffed at the way the Civil War turned out?

Probably because Ohio doesn't recognize Texas CHL's.

spec357
02-25-2013, 19:01
Oh? No reciprocity with Ohio...?.??.

Seems to me if you have a CC right in your state, you should honor all other states CC...but maybe I view things too simply...

Ohio has open carry/shall issue, but open carry in a city gets you a quick trip to the local cop shop, for reasons I hae not understood...

I don't think Ohio recognizes Pa Licenses either. I'm pretty sure it has to do with training requirements that you are required to go through to get an LTCF...Not a requirement in Pa. I think the 2 states AG's just cant agree. Maybe in the future.

Glock 23 Nutter
02-25-2013, 19:32
The Soviet Province of Kaliforniastan.

A picture of a gun, when holstered openly in the confines of your own home, and not brandished or displayed in a threatening manner...

...is fine.




Nutter

rolltide_pisco
02-25-2013, 21:47
Everything my fellow Kentuckians have said is true.

Don't forget your CCDW allows you carry nunchuks, throwing stars, a samurai sword for goodness sake. We will glady accept any ninjas looking to relocate.

Our representatives our gun friendly with the Democrats leading the way. I got pulled over for a minor traffic violation last week. Showed my CCDW to him, he gave me a warning, and we spent 10 minutes talking about how the Glock 27 is an awesome pistol.

TxGun
02-26-2013, 00:35
Any idea, then, why Texas doesn't share reciprocity with Ohio? Does TX not reciprocate with ANY state or are they still miffed at the way the Civil War turned out?

Rumor is we're going to buy Ohio, clean it up, and flip it. PA is said to be somewhat interested, but only after it's clean enough to meet PA's requirements. At that point, both Texas and PA have commited to support CCW reciprocity. But that's necessarily down-the-road...lot of work to be done before it would be ready. :tongueout: