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China boy
02-28-2013, 13:44
I just started looking up 1911's for a friend and I stumbled onto the taurus 1911 9mm that I of course really liked the look of. Does anyone have one of these and like it or dislike it? I would want it for a range gun and sometimes CCW. I want a 9mm one day and a 1911 too and thought this would be a nice cheap way to satisfy both. How much do these go for too? MSRP says $820 but I think I could find better. Also if anyone knows where to get a good deal let me know too. Thanks all!

ca survivor
02-28-2013, 16:43
stay a w a y from Taurus.

Cream Soda Kid
02-28-2013, 16:52
I have a stainless steel Taurus 1911 in .45 ACP. It works very well, Iím happy with it. I paid a little less than 700.00. But I donít know anything about their 9MM 1911.

zhix
02-28-2013, 17:54
I would love a 9mm 1911 but would only consider the Springfield Loaded stainless, or even the Kimber Stainless II.

countrygun
02-28-2013, 18:00
I have the PT 1911 and it's doing just fine, along with the 5 other Taurus the wife and I have.

ilgunguygt
02-28-2013, 18:13
For the kind of money they cost there are better guns available. I owned a taurus. OWNED in the past tense.

faawrenchbndr
02-28-2013, 18:23
Friends don't let friends shoot Taurus!

China boy
02-28-2013, 18:25
I hear so many mixed reviews about taurus. It seems people either love them or hate them. The people who love them usually say they are fine. But, I haven't really heard reasons why people say they don't like them. I have heard the turn around time for repairs is slow though, but they have a lifetime guarantee.

If anyone is familiar with the taurus 1911 9mm it is Stainless Steel and looks appealing to me including the size and proportion. Does anyone know of anything similar looking? I'm going to check out the springfield and kimbers yet don't want to pay too much for this. I guess I want to spend as close to $500 as possible but know that sometimes is hard and you usually get what you pay for.

Spiffums
02-28-2013, 18:36
I would love a 9mm 1911 but would only consider the Springfield Loaded stainless, or even the Kimber Stainless II.

Have you looked at the Trojan?

The Trojan 9mm is a really hot ticket in IDPA.

bac1023
02-28-2013, 20:07
I like the Taurs PT92 and most Taurus revolvers, but I'm not a fan of the 1911.

dizmodeus
02-28-2013, 20:10
See if you can find a rock island

FLIPPER 348
02-28-2013, 20:13
I hear so many mixed reviews about taurus. It seems people either love them or hate them.

The people that actually own them like them.

faawrenchbndr
02-28-2013, 20:40
The people that actually own them like them.


I had one,.....the slide stop pin broke after 320 rounds fired

bac1023
02-28-2013, 20:46
I had one,.....the slide stop pin broke after 320 rounds fired

The ambi safety fell off mine...

faawrenchbndr
02-28-2013, 20:53
Taurus did get it fixed, I was in Miami at the time.
Then I sold it.....

bac1023
02-28-2013, 20:55
Taurus did get it fixed, I was in Miami at the time.
Then I sold it.....

I don't blame you Greg...

RetailNinja
02-28-2013, 22:26
Taurus makes a great low buck, entry level 1911. Several co-workers got them for just under $500 when they first came out. None of them have had problems.

FLIPPER 348
02-28-2013, 23:23
I had one,.....the slide stop pin broke after 320 rounds fired



fit a new Wilson one, takes about 15 minutes and $30 or so

MD357
03-01-2013, 00:49
fit a new Wilson one, takes about 15 minutes and $30 or so

How's that work out in a time of need?

Hey Mr BG..... lemme fit this real quick so I can defend myself?


IF you pick up a Taurus for range use then you should be OK. If you want one for carry then reconsider or have a good smith run through it with better small parts, as the stock small parts are junk. I have yet to see an accredited pistolsmith recommends Taurus 1911s for that reason.

majette
03-01-2013, 01:03
go with the rock island tactical 9mm.

bac1023
03-01-2013, 01:58
Taurus makes a great low buck, entry level 1911. Several co-workers got them for just under $500 when they first came out. None of them have had problems.

Therein lies the problem though.

...they are no longer that price. For under $500, I could see it. Not now.

RetailNinja
03-01-2013, 02:37
Therein lies the problem though.

...they are no longer that price. For under $500, I could see it. Not now.

I've been seeing that, and I've noticed they're +500 on the secondary market. :wow:

MrGlock21
03-01-2013, 02:43
I had mixed feelings about the Taurus 1911. Good ones and bad ones. The negative ones took over.

ilgunguygt
03-01-2013, 02:51
The people that actually own them like them.

Bullsnot. I owned one, so did my uncle, theywere both crap of the first order. The RIA I replaced it with was a much better gun, hands down.
fit a new Wilson one, takes about 15 minutes and $30 or so
I know I like to replace vital parts on a new gun as they break, nothing wrong with that.

bac1023
03-01-2013, 03:03
The RIA is certainly a better gun, in my opinion.

DAT85
03-01-2013, 04:41
Friends don't let friends shoot Taurus!

This........

When I worked in a gunshop,we sent more PT1911's back for repairs than any other pistol/rifle/shotgun.
And that includes Hi-Points.

RIA is a much better buy for the money than the PT1911.

And their service dept is top shelf.

DAT85

China boy
03-01-2013, 06:28
I'm glad I asked then. This site and others seem to have the same overwhelming reports. Taurus is probably not the way I should go as it seems a gamble. And if I want this gun for an occasional CCW then I want something more reliable.

That Kimberly stainless II looks very nice and comes in 9mm too. It seems a little pricey for what I want to spend but guns are something I plan to hold onto for ever so why not buy quality. I still want to shop around as I save up some money. Thanks for all the replies.

venenoindy
03-01-2013, 07:38
STI Spartan a lot better 1911 than Taurus.

Leigh
03-01-2013, 07:47
stay a w a y from Taurus.

Not all...

1911 platform?
Yes.

92 series?
No, many will outperform (relaibilty-wise) and outshoot (accuracy-wise) a Beretta. Been there, done that.

Revolvers?
No, their 85 series (steel frame) .38's are as sturdy and reliable as a Comparable S&W J-frame.

As far as other models go, I cannot give an honest comparison just that not ALL Taurus handgun are poorly made.

bac1023
03-01-2013, 07:50
STI Spartan a lot better 1911 than Taurus.

Much better, in fact

bac1023
03-01-2013, 07:53
Not all...

1911 platform?
Yes.

92 series?
No, many will outperform (relaibilty-wise) and outshoot (accuracy-wise) a Beretta. Been there, done that.



I feel the PT92 is the best auto Taurus builds, but I don't feel it's nearly as smooth as the Beretta version. As far as reliability is concerned, I never had a problem with either.

faawrenchbndr
03-01-2013, 08:25
I can agree with that Bac,......sure wish Beretta offered the 92 still.
Would love to have one with the frame mounted safety.

bac1023
03-01-2013, 08:27
I can agree with that Bac,......sure wish Beretta offered the 92 still.
Would love to have one with the frame mounted safety.

Yeah, I do like the fact that Taurus puts the safety on the frame like Beretta used to.

wingspar
03-01-2013, 19:21
I bought a PT 1911 a few months ago. .45 ACP of course. 700 rounds and zero problems. Most never have problems and those that do are with older guns. Taurus has come a long way in the last few years with QC and CS. Taurus is one of those companies people love to bash. If you buy new, you will probably be fine.

http://www.pbase.com/wingspar/image/146807196/original.jpg

bac1023
03-01-2013, 20:15
I bought a PT 1911 a few months ago. .45 ACP of course. 700 rounds and zero problems. Most never have problems and those that do are with older guns. Taurus has come a long way in the last few years with QC and CS. Taurus is one of those companies people love to bash.

I always love hearing from the Taurus apologists. :supergrin:

People love to bash Taurus for good reason. They have certainly earned it from years of piss-poor quality control and hellacious customer service.

I have good Taurus handguns myself, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to take my shots at the poor models they build. The PT1911 is one of them. Maybe they have improved lately, but over the last five years it has been my opinion that they are the worst 1911 on the current market.

Glad yours has been good so far, but 700 rounds is not much.

FLIPPER 348
03-01-2013, 20:23
it has been my opinion that they are the worst 1911 on the current market.





that and $3.65 will get you a grande latte at Starbucks

itstime
03-01-2013, 20:25
I would also look at the RIA tactical 9. I love my 45. I don't know anybody with a RIA 9 but think it would be a better starting point.

ithaca_deerslayer
03-01-2013, 20:25
I think the Taurus is a very good ergonomic and shootable design.

I don't like the ILS in the hammer.

My extractor is tuned too loose.

Would not CCW it, unless changing out parts.

But a fine range gun for how it feels and the comfort.

___________
I joined the NRA, have you yet?

bac1023
03-01-2013, 20:48
that and $3.65 will get you a grande latte at Starbucks
Hey, it's the liberal troll Flipper who shows up like a lap dog every time I say something negative about the PT1911.

Since you were so kind to bring it up, who's opinion do you think gets more attention around here, yours or mine?

Now beat it. :wavey:

Lvs1935
03-01-2013, 21:50
I just recently handled a Taurus 1911 for the first time. I wasn't impressed. Fit and finish just seemed rough and somewhat crude overall. My past experiences with Taurus just doesn't give me much confidence in them. Im not saying they are all junk. Some folks have no issues with them. I just would rather spend a few more bucks on a better gun. I think the extra money is well spent.

faawrenchbndr
03-02-2013, 07:07
that and $3.65 will get you a grande latte at Starbucks

Oh,......I like those! Great idea!

3rdgen40
03-02-2013, 14:09
that and $3.65 will get you a grande latte at Starbucks Now beat it. :wavey:

Michael Jackson - Beat It - YouTube

FLIPPER 348
03-02-2013, 14:43
Since you were so kind to bring it up, who's opinion do you think gets more attention around here, yours or mine?




I could care less. I don't value yours or any other posters opinion on 1911s.

ilgunguygt
03-02-2013, 14:52
I could care less. I don't value yours or any other posters opinion on 1911s.
What a coincidence the other 99% of us feel the same way about you. Anyone that would vote for Obama twice surely doesnt have the common sense to advise others on firearms.

We are the 99%:rofl:

FLIPPER 348
03-02-2013, 15:02
You will note that I've never 'advised' others on firearms.

faawrenchbndr
03-02-2013, 15:03
I could care less. I don't value yours or any other posters opinion on 1911s.

Hey,....weren't you two supposed to be playing nice?
Don't make me pull this car over!
Are you going to drink all that?
Can I have some?


:dunno:

faawrenchbndr
03-02-2013, 15:04
I bought a PT 1911 a few months ago. .45 ACP of course. 700 rounds and zero problems. Most never have problems and those that do are with older guns. Taurus has come a long way in the last few years with QC and CS. Taurus is one of those companies people love to bash. If you buy new, you will probably be fine.

http://www.pbase.com/wingspar/image/146807196/original.jpg

Looks pretty good with those grips on it!

Taurus is like Kia,.....you either get a really good one or a really bad one!

DAT85
03-02-2013, 16:04
Taurus is like Kia,.....you either get a really good one or a really bad one!

That will be my new sig line "over yonder" ! :supergrin:


DAT85

MD357
03-02-2013, 17:32
I could care less. I don't value yours or any other posters opinion on 1911s.

It's "couldn't"...... "I couldn't care less."





Regarding Tauri.... :supergrin:..... one thing that shouldn't be on a 1911 is a hammer lock. Especially one that fails.

FLIPPER 348
03-02-2013, 17:38
....I also say clip instead of magazine from time to time

MD357
03-02-2013, 19:16
....I also say clip instead of magazine from time to time

Well bless your heart as they say....more power to ya.... I usually hear that term from thug wannabes or liberals. YMMV.

G17talk
03-02-2013, 19:44
Much better, in fact

I have to agree- just picked up a Spartan V as a shooter. They are worth a look.

ilgunguygt
03-02-2013, 21:05
....I also say clip instead of magazine from time to time
Thats not surprising considering you vote for gun grabbing liberals from time to time too.:whistling:

bac1023
03-02-2013, 22:47
I could care less. I don't value yours or any other posters opinion on 1911s.

What a shame.

You really march to your own drummer, Flipper. I'm sure you're proud of that. :upeyes:

bac1023
03-02-2013, 22:48
Michael Jackson - Beat It - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdxUFDoQe0)

:rofl::rofl:

bac1023
03-02-2013, 23:07
Hey,....weren't you two supposed to be playing nice?
Don't make me pull this car over!
Are you going to drink all that?
Can I have some?


:dunno:

All jokes aside, I do try to keep my distance. However, the guy has a honing device that he uses every time I speak my mind about Taurus.

faawrenchbndr
03-03-2013, 06:35
....I also say clip instead of magazine from time to time

You're such a rebel! :rofl:

FLIPPER 348
03-03-2013, 10:53
All jokes aside, I do try to keep my distance. However, the guy has a honing device that he uses every time I speak my mind about Taurus.



You bash the Taurus PT as a 1911 collector and I speak mine as a 1911 builder/repairer.

MD357
03-03-2013, 14:01
You bash the Taurus PT as a 1911 collector and I speak mine as a 1911 builder/repairer.

Regarding your collector statement, at least Bac at one point took the time to give a detailed review of 1911s and posted a buyers guide. Granted it's just an opinon but it's pretty detailed. IF you are gonna throw stones then I gotta ask....

How many rounds do you have through yours now? Give us a detailed round count and some pics. Show us the quality work and craftsmanship.

Something is wrong with you when it comes to Taurus and Bac, seems you have a hard-on for Bac when he gives an opinon on Taurus. However, Bac wasn't the only person in this thread to own one and say they were junkers.

No acredited builder recommends them for anyting other than range that I've seen. IN the same sense I've never seen anyone that's reputable recommend the ILS, which you've done here as well. Which leads me to believe that you're not a shooter in any fashion of the word. I've NEVER seen an instructor, competitor, or anyone that just puts a LOT of rounds down range say "hey these gun locks are great!"

FLIPPER 348
03-03-2013, 14:46
Regarding your collector statement, at least Bac at one point took the time to give a detailed review of 1911s and posted a buyers guide. Granted it's just an opinon but it's pretty detailed. IF you are gonna throw stones then I gotta ask....



It's just the opinion of a guy who collects lots of guns and likes to post pics, nothing more. Can he fix one? Fit a new part?? Build one from parts??? Has he ever holstered one in defense of his country????

I sold mine off to a friend long ago (I bought one of the 1st run when they were in the $360s) and he is quite happy with it to this day. I built it into a dedicated .22 for him with a Kimber conversion having already swapped out the ambi safety .....but he still shoots it with the 45 slide from time to time.

I'm not concerned with 'acredited' builders opinions as the have no influence on the type of 1911 I build & sell.

ilgunguygt
03-03-2013, 15:04
Someone who builds and sells guns who votes for Obama. You should be sure to tell all your customers that you voted to take away thier gun rights!

MD357
03-03-2013, 15:31
It's just the opinion of a guy who collects lots of guns and likes to post pics, nothing more. Can he fix one? Fit a new part?? Build one from parts??? Has he ever holstered one in defense of his country????

Have you? I must ask your age if you carried a 1911 in combat. I know lots of shooters that can't fit a safety, but they know what breaks and what doesn't because they put rounds down range. I also know of some 1911 pistolsmiths that make a living off their work, of which is light years ahead of the stuff you post. They've never served either. Respectable veterans don't hold their service over people's heads by my experiences..... but you keep beating that drum there Barry.


I sold mine off to a friend long ago (I bought one of the 1st run when they were in the $360s) and he is quite happy with it to this day. I built it into a dedicated .22 for him with a Kimber conversion having already swapped out the ambi safety .....but he still shoots it with the 45 slide from time to time.

So you currently don't own one either? What would you know then? Just going your own standards. Obviously this wasn't a long term or high round count gun, so how do you know anything about what breaks and what doesn't?

I'm not concerned with 'acredited' builders opinions as the have no influence on the type of 1911 I build & sell.

That's understandable, as someone that fixes Kias has nothing to do with someone that can build Bugatti. The point remains, that those that have a significant background in 1911s in terms of self defense, don't recommend hammer locks.

faawrenchbndr
03-03-2013, 15:45
It's just the opinion of a guy who collects lots of guns and likes to post pics, nothing more. Can he fix one? Fit a new part?? Build one from parts??? Has he ever holstered one in defense of his country????

I sold mine off to a friend long ago (I bought one of the 1st run when they were in the $360s) and he is quite happy with it to this day. I built it into a dedicated .22 for him with a Kimber conversion having already swapped out the ambi safety .....but he still shoots it with the 45 slide from time to time.

I'm not concerned with 'acredited' builders opinions as the have no influence on the type of 1911 I build & sell.

Wow,......you should have quit while you were ahead! :faint:
All you have to fall back on is this?
-Military
-Don't even own one
-Show me a top Pistol Smith that would build a Taurus!
--Rogers, Chambers, Yost,.........and the list goes on.

I' can't believe you tried to play the Military card on Bac'......you're an embarrassment!

ilgunguygt
03-03-2013, 15:56
Wow,......you should have quit while you were ahead! :faint:
All you have to fall back on is this?
-Military
-Don't even own one
-Show me a top Pistol Smith that would build a Taurus!
--Rogers, Chambers, Yost,.........and the list goes on.

I' can't believe you tried to play the Military card on Bac'......you're an embarrassment!
He always has been. He doesnt care what real 1911 builders say or do, his knowledge is so much greater. Explains why he is a liberal stooge, I mean, they ALWAYS know more and whats better for you, dontcha know?:supergrin:

DAT85
03-03-2013, 16:07
It's just the opinion of a guy who collects lots of guns and likes to post pics, nothing more.

You know,up til this post,I was willing to just sit back and watch,but now I have to say you sound like a JEALOUS low budget kind of guy who hates people who have nicer gear than he is able to afford.

And,I have to ask,if you don't care what professional gunsmiths do,what in the hell do your hooptied up Taurus' look like ?
Post some pics,I bet the Krylon finishes are something to behold !:whistling:

DAT85

LASTRESORT20
03-03-2013, 16:16
Had a Taurus 24/7 Pro 9mm `Once....it was an ok gun...pain to clean....

ilgunguygt
03-03-2013, 16:29
You know,up til this post,I was willing to just sit back and watch,but now I have to say you sound like a JEALOUS low budget kind of guy who hates people who have nicer gear than he is able to afford.

And,I have to ask,if you don't care what professional gunsmiths do,what in the hell do your hooptied up Taurus' look like ?
Post some pics,I bet the Krylon finishes are something to behold !:whistling:

DAT85

Class warfare is what liberals do best. He is just parroting the beliefs of his chosen one, the great Obamanator.

And yes, he is plainly jealous of what Bac has, he always has been. Its almost sad to watch him on here.

countrygun
03-03-2013, 16:40
I have owned and shot 1911s since about '77. My wife bought a PT1911 and I really like it. I have a range right out the door and it's getting plenty of time with no problems.

OTOH

If it becomes "The 1911 of Obamalators who want to throw fits and be E-fools" I may have to find one of them to sell it to, at an inflated price. I do not want to be "guilty by association". I have more loyalty to my Country than to gun brand.

ilgunguygt
03-03-2013, 16:58
I have owned and shot 1911s since about '77. My wife bought a PT1911 and I really like it. I have a range right out the door and it's getting plenty of time with no problems.

OTOH

If it becomes "The 1911 of Obamalators who want to throw fits and be E-fools" I may have to find one of them to sell it to, at an inflated price. I do not want to be "guilty by association". I have more loyalty to my Country than to gun brand.
If you have a good one, thats good! I am not one to knock anyones gun if it makes them happy. However, when people start the kind of crap that flipper starts, well, its time for the truth to come out. The PT1911 isnt the quality that many others are. That doesnt mean that there arent some real good ones out there that shoot great and have really happy owners, like you.

bac1023
03-03-2013, 22:06
I have owned and shot 1911s since about '77. My wife bought a PT1911 and I really like it. I have a range right out the door and it's getting plenty of time with no problems.

OTOH

If it becomes "The 1911 of Obamalators who want to throw fits and be E-fools" I may have to find one of them to sell it to, at an inflated price. I do not want to be "guilty by association". I have more loyalty to my Country than to gun brand.

Unlike what Flipper believes, I'm not a straight up Taurus basher. I give them credit where credit is due and I have some good Taurus handguns.

The 1911 is hit or miss and I'm happy you and your wife have a good one. :cool:

...and, no, Flipper should not ruin one's idea of the gun. After all, he doesn't even own one. ;)

bac1023
03-03-2013, 22:09
It's just the opinion of a guy who collects lots of guns and likes to post pics, nothing more. Can he fix one? Fit a new part?? Build one from parts??? Has he ever holstered one in defense of his country????

I sold mine off to a friend long ago (I bought one of the 1st run when they were in the $360s) and he is quite happy with it to this day. I built it into a dedicated .22 for him with a Kimber conversion having already swapped out the ambi safety .....but he still shoots it with the 45 slide from time to time.

I'm not concerned with 'acredited' builders opinions as the have no influence on the type of 1911 I build & sell.

Hey, I fixed my PT1911's safety, didn't I? :wavey:

Seriously, I never claimed to be an expert pistol smith of the 1911 or any other design, for that matter. The fact, however, is that people with much more knowledge and experience than I do not recommend it.

fnfalman
03-04-2013, 09:29
You guys can talk about which gun's quality is what all you want, I'm not going to get into that debate.

However, if you're going to cast aspersions on Flipper voting for a gun banner, then you better have voted for Gary Johnson or other pro-gunner POTUS candidates. Otherwise if you had voted for Romney and now accusing Flipper of voting for a gun banner...that's sheer hypocrisy.

dr_hefley
03-04-2013, 09:47
Don't know much about the Taurus 9mm 1911, but for that kind of money I'd suggest an STI Spartan or Trojan. Even a Rock Island. IMO, all these offerings would be a better option than Taurus. YMMV

China boy
03-04-2013, 11:30
I held a couple rock islands and do see positive feeback online. I have to investigate those STI's a little more. And, of course I found a Kimber that caught my eye, i think it was the SS TLE Carry II in 9mm. But the kimber is expensive compared to what I wanted to spend. So I will continue to shop and check LGS for the time being.

FLIPPER 348
03-05-2013, 09:01
Hey, I fixed my PT1911's safety, didn't I? :wavey:



Outstanding. I never saw where you said you fixed it, only that is was broken.

The PT when it came out was a great value but you had to be prepared to swap out a few parts, the safety being the 1st one. Now that the price has almost doubled, not so much but they still sell well.

FLIPPER 348
03-05-2013, 09:11
ry.



So you currently don't own one either? What would you know then? Just going your own standards. Obviously this wasn't a long term or high round count gun, so how do you know anything about what breaks and what doesn't?





No, I no longer own one as I bought it out of curiosity when they first came out. I replaced a few parts and shoot the crap out of it for a few months. The pistol is still preforming well.

As for 'what breaks & whatnont', well MIM is MIM and how it's fitted makes all the difference but it's not rocket science. The forged frame & slide will last pretty much forever.


I don't own any standard brand 1911s but rather 1911A1-ish builds based on Foster, Essex, Caspian and Fusion frames.

FLIPPER 348
03-05-2013, 09:22
Have you? I must ask your age if you carried a 1911 in combat.


Just about to turn a sexy 50. Interestingly enough we were issued 1911s, not M-9s during our forays into northern Iraq before/during GW1

FLIPPER 348
03-05-2013, 09:40
And yes, he is plainly jealous of what Bac has, he always has been. Its almost sad to watch him on here.

Um, no. Far from it.

I have my own collection of 1911A1s, one from each of the World Wars and a post 50s rebuild. Those along with my builds are all I want in a 1911 collection. Bac does have a nicely blued one that peaks my interest a bit.

bac1023
03-05-2013, 10:48
Um, no. Far from it.

I have my own collection of 1911A1s, one from each of the World Wars and a post 50s rebuild. Those along with my builds are all I want in a 1911 collection. Bac does have a nicely blued one that peaks my interest a bit.

Which one?

...just curious :)

Colt NM? USFA? They are the only two I think would strongly appeal to you.

MD357
03-05-2013, 12:02
I replaced a few parts and shoot the crap out of it for a few months.

Puts things in perspective.

you had to be prepared to swap out a few parts, the safety being the 1st one.

Sounds familiar.

The pistol is still preforming well

If it was built into a dedicated .22 like you said, then one would hope.

Interesting that we've come full circle to Taurus formerly being a good value because, it USED to be cheap enough to where you could economically switch out problem small parts.

FLIPPER 348
03-05-2013, 15:04
the new PT owner still fires plenty of 45acp though it.





Interesting that we've come full circle to Taurus formerly being a good value because, it USED to be cheap enough to where you could economically switch out problem small parts.


That's what I've said from the start. The only problem small part is/was the ambi safety, other than that MIM is MIM. Even though it is no longer cheap it still sells well and in many variations. That makes it a success on the market. If it was such a POS as people claim in the internets this would not be the case.

FLIPPER 348
03-05-2013, 15:05
Which one?

...just curious :)

Colt NM? USFA? They are the only two I think would strongly appeal to you.


The USFA is the only 1911 out there on my want list someday.

MD357
03-06-2013, 00:09
That's what I've said from the start. The only problem small part is/was the ambi safety, other than that MIM is MIM. Even though it is no longer cheap it still sells well and in many variations. That makes it a success on the market. If it was such a POS as people claim in the internets this would not be the case.

If you're saying all MIM is the same then you should know better. There are several variables that can go wrong in that equation.

Now aside from safeties breaking off or falling out, the ejectors had signifcant probems, and then you have the hammer lock that can fail.

I know you want to be a cheerleader for it's success but there are too many cheap options out there, and the Ruger killed it around here, dunno about everywhere else.

ilgunguygt
03-06-2013, 00:37
If you're saying all MIM is the same then you should know better. There are several variables that can go wrong in that equation.

Now aside from safeties breaking off or falling out, the ejectors had signifcant probems, and then you have the hammer lock that can fail.

I know you want to be a cheerleader for it's success but there are too many cheap options out there, and the Ruger killed it around here, dunno about everywhere else.
You may as well give up, liberals like Flipper are always right, just ask them.:rofl: When they arent they stick thier head in the sand and yell "I dont care what experts say!" just like he did earlier in this thread.

Going by his definition of success equaling quality, then Jennings is the premier CCW manufacturer in the USA, after all, they have sold tons of little pot metal Jamomatics! Sales=quality and success.

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 08:23
I don't care what the 1911 'experts' say, why should I??



If you're saying all MIM is the same then you should know better. There are several variables that can go wrong in that equation.




There was no difference in the MIM in the Taurus, Springfield Armory, Ruger and S&W 1911Sc I've owned. There was quite a difference in the fitting though!

MD357
03-06-2013, 08:48
There was no difference in the MIM in the Taurus, Springfield Armory, Ruger and S&W 1911Sc I've owned. There was quite a difference in the fitting though!

The plural of anecdote doesn't fact my friend, especially when you've just owned some for a very short time. Just with any production processes that are universally used within several companies, have the possibility for variables for error and QC can be vastly different. Hence you hear a ton of complains about MIM in Taurus, previously Kimber, and less from Springfield and Colt. MIM processing has a wide range of cost control. This SHOULD be common knowledge at someone your level.

Didn't you have a sear split on you in one of those guns? Like the S&W?

fnfalman
03-06-2013, 09:02
Just about to turn a sexy 50. Interestingly enough we were issued 1911s, not M-9s during our forays into northern Iraq before/during GW1

M9s barely even reached then 101st Airborne at that time frame. In our armsroom we had both M9s and M1911A1s. The M1911A1s were held as reserve for new incoming personnel who were authorized pistols but no M9 to give out.

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 09:03
Didn't you have a sear split on you in one of those guns? Like the S&W?

Not a split, just poorly fitted as it did not contact along the full face with the hammer. The S&W was actually the poorest fit of the group with the Ruger being the best. MIM works just fine if it is properly fit though there is none of it in any of my builds.

fnfalman
03-06-2013, 09:03
I'm curious but how many people bought non-Taurus then proceeded to swap out parts too?

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 09:05
M9s barely even reached then 101st Airborne at that time frame. In our armsroom we had both M9s and M1911A1s. The M1911A1s were held as reserve for new incoming personnel who were authorized pistols but no M9 to give out.


At Bragg we started rockin' the M9 NIB in 85 replacing our .38 revolvers. My antics in Iraq was a composite unit and all I showed up with in Turkey was my A-Bag.

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 09:08
When they arent they stick thier head in the sand and yell "I dont care what experts say!" just like he did earlier in this thread.





The only experts I use for my builds are JMB and J Kuhnhausen. You can leg-hump all the rest for me.

MD357
03-06-2013, 09:14
MIM works just fine if it is properly fit though there is none of it in any of my builds.

The irony just doesn't stop. :cool:

Everyone that "bashes" Taurus, you say doesn't own one..... and you don't either. You owned one for a few months which apparently makes you an expert on their quality and long term use. A gun that now takes the constant abuse of being a dedicated .22.

We talk about problem small parts and you end up admitting that swapped them out immediately anyways, or at least recommend it.

You say MIM is fine and all the same, but you don't use any of it in your budget builds.

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 09:41
Dude, are you stalking me??

MIM works fine if properly fit. This is true in 100,000s of 1000s of 1911s and other pistols that will be shot today. I don't order MIM parts for my builds because I choose not to.

MD357
03-06-2013, 10:12
No, like dude.... I'm just replying to your posts in the same that you replied to me there, Brah. I have realized that the more you reply, the more you contradict yourself.

We go from shallow anecdotes from fabricated numbers across the nation. But I get it, "do as I say..... not as I do."

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 10:44
You are an odd one but you see what you look for no matter how nutty it sounds. Continue to bash the PT and I will continue to support it as the Market speaks the reality, not a few collectors and 1911-snobs/know it alls

SGT HATRED
03-06-2013, 10:56
Hey, it's the liberal troll Flipper who shows up like a lap dog every time I say something negative about the PT1911.

Since you were so kind to bring it up, who's opinion do you think gets more attention around here, yours or mine?

Now beat it. :wavey:

Zing!!!

Well played sir.

MD357
03-06-2013, 11:16
You are an odd one but you see what you look for no matter how nutty it sounds. Continue to bash the PT and I will continue to support it as the Market speaks the reality, not a few collectors and 1911-snobs/know it alls

DUUUDE!!! I just go on what you say/have said. I don't bash anything, I call things like I see them just like you do. A POS execution of a great design is just that, cheap or expensive.

Problem is that outside of your limited experience with these guns there are multiple ownership problems relayed here, and several on other forums aswell. On top of this, I don't think any JMB or Kuhnhausen follower could honestly say that the 1911 design needed a cheap MIM hammer lock. Especially one that has been known to fail. What do you think ol' JMB would say? I have my guess, you probably have yours.

However, you keep casting out dispersions to everyone on this forum if it makes you feel better. It's everyone else's problem/fault right Barry?

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 11:17
Zing!!!

Well played sir.

Actually no, rather its a bit of revisionist history as it was bac following me around several forums here like a little yap-dog to the point where I had to report him to the Mods.

fnfalman
03-06-2013, 11:18
Well, somebody has to say it, "If it ain't a Colt, it's a copy."

bac1023
03-06-2013, 11:29
Actually no, rather its a bit of revisionist history as it was bac following me around several forums here like a little yap-dog to the point where I had to report him to the Mods.

You have that backwards, Flipper. It is you who followed me around and you continue to do it to this day. Everyone sees it. You're the yap-dog.

This thread is yet another PERFECT example.

The only difference is that I don't run and cry about it like you do.

magman687
03-06-2013, 11:47
I have had my PT 1911 in 45 ACP
For 2 months now and of put about 2500 rounds down range and I have never even from the very first round had a single failure to fire failure to feed or failure to inject and it is an extremely accurate handgun I wanted a cheap gun to play around with and I was worried about the quality of this gun before I bought it but the price was right but now that I have shot it many times to me the quality is no longer an issue it may not be a Colt or even a Les Baer custom or any of the nicer more expensive brands but I will say that I do enjoy alot Taurus got this 1 right.
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bac1023
03-06-2013, 11:50
If only they all worked that well and they were as cheap as they used to be.

Nowadays, you can get better quality for the same or even less money. It is what it is.

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 11:51
DUUUDE!!! I just go on what you say/have said. I don't bash anything, I call things like I see them just like you do. A POS execution of a great design is just that, cheap or expensive.

Problem is that outside of your limited experience with these guns there are multiple ownership problems relayed here, and several on other forums aswell. On top of this, I don't think any JMB or Kuhnhausen follower could honestly say that the 1911 design needed a cheap MIM hammer lock. Especially one that has been known to fail. What do you think ol' JMB would say? I have my guess, you probably have yours.

However, you keep casting out dispersions to everyone on this forum if it makes you feel better. It's everyone else's problem/fault right Barry?

You should take up cat-herding.

Don't y'all have a whole Internet forum dedicated fawning over each others 1911 pics and custom builder leg-humping?? Your claims of POS are your opinion only and do not hold up to the reality of the Marketplace.

Everything I want in a 1911 can be made on my workbench. There is a 1914 Colt restoration project waiting there that will go to a happy owner in a few weeks who loves and collects GI 1911s. Where he finds them all I don't know. He seems to have no problem being happy without consult of your sage advise on everything 1911 nor the Veteran's for Obama bumper sticker on my truck. Maybe I should stop work on his project and have him review the 1911 web boards!

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 11:53
If only they all worked that well and they were as cheap as they used to be.

Nowadays, you can get better quality for the same or even less money. It is what it is.

Quite true.

bac1023
03-06-2013, 12:11
Quite true.

Well, there you go. That's my whole argument. When you could get them for $400, as you did, the value was much, much better.

NMGlocker
03-06-2013, 12:29
In my 9 years as a ccw instructor i've seen hundreds of Taurus handguns in class. I'm comfortable stating that the majority were junk.
In every single class i've instructed Taurus and Charter have stood out as the worst guns on the line.
If they aren't malfunctioning they're outright breaking.
Junk guns sold to ignorant buyers.

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MD357
03-06-2013, 12:33
Don't y'all have a whole Internet forum dedicated fawning over each others 1911 pics and custom builder leg-humping?? Your claims of POS are your opinion only and do not hold up to the reality of the Marketplace.


Dunno which forum you're speaking of and who's y'all? You're really upset about people giving credit to honest 1911 builders aren't ya? You keep bringing it up.

Either way, what I'm saying pertaining to my experiences has nothing to do with opinion. I've seen em break, and I've seen that hammer lock fail, other guys locally had the same thing happen. I notice you had no comment about what JMB/Kuhn would say about their POS hammer lock you embraced so long ago. Are you honestly the purist you claim to be?

I know you believe your opinions to be "The Marketplace" but like it or not Taurus doesn't have a stellar reputation. I didn't create that reputation, but they sure reinforced it with me with this particular model.



Maybe I should stop work on his project and have him review the 1911 web boards!

One should always research all possibilities. You never know what you will find, instead of limiting yourself.

the Veteran's for Obama bumper sticker on my truck

Ah, well good for you. NEVER seen a Veterans for Obama sticker. Did they hand those stickers out with the free phones?

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 12:35
You have that backwards, Flipper. It is you who followed me around and you continue to do it to this day. Everyone sees it. You're the yap-dog.

This thread is yet another PERFECT example.

The only difference is that I don't run and cry about it like you do.


You don't see the past clearly. I only defend the PT 1911 after you inaccurately bash it. You were pestering me like a child.

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 12:46
Oh and I do dig the hammer lock as its great for rendering the firearm inoperable when it cannot be 100% secured. I still use the feature on my traveling Taurus. Revolver. I don't install them on my 1911A1 builds (duh)

Y'all are taking this way off topic by making it personal and getting all butt-hurt though.

countrygun
03-06-2013, 12:46
Quote:

"the Veteran's for Obama bumper sticker on my truck"


:faint:


I bet John Kerry has one too. Not impressive. No not impressive at all.

:rofl:

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 13:00
Quote:

"the Veteran's for Obama bumper sticker on my truck"


:faint:


I bet John Kerry has one too. Not impressive. No not impressive at all.

:rofl:

I dident put it on to impress you!!

MD357
03-06-2013, 13:14
You don't see the past clearly. I only defend the PT 1911 after you inaccurately bash it. You were pestering me like a child.

Right so, if anyone has any experience other than your two month ownership stint, it's inaccurate. If they don't care for Taurus quality through their experience, they are bashing. If they bash, they don't own one.... even though many claim they did and had bad experiences.....yet you don't currently own one either.

Oh and I do dig the hammer lock as its great for rendering the firearm inoperable when it cannot be 100% secured. I still use the feature on my traveling Taurus. Revolver.


I already understand that you have a need for gun locks because you don't know how to otherwise secure one while traveling. I asked what you believe JMB/Kuhn would say about cheap hammer locks on a 1911.

I don't install them on my 1911A1 builds (duh)

I don't doubt it one bit. You seem to employ standards in your budget builds we are all talking about, standards which you criticize us for, yet you preach the opposite.

faawrenchbndr
03-06-2013, 13:35
I dident put it on to impress you!!

We all love ya anyway Flipper' :cool:

bac1023
03-06-2013, 14:44
You don't see the past clearly. I only defend the PT 1911 after you inaccurately bash it. You were pestering me like a child.

That's not the way I remember it at all.

I remember that you can dish it out, but can't take it.

bac1023
03-06-2013, 14:47
Oh and I do dig the hammer lock as its great for rendering the firearm inoperable when it cannot be 100% secured.


You mean when you left it at your buddy's house in a backpack without him knowing it was there?

MD357
03-06-2013, 15:06
1911 hammer locks..... "If it only saves one child......."

MaxxAction
03-06-2013, 15:49
I have a pt-1911.


I wouldn't have one, but last year after we moved, cash was tight, so I traded my nighthawk GRP for a new in the box pt-1911 and 2k in cash.

I just shot it for the first time this past weekend, and of course it is not a nighthawk, but it outperformed my expectations. I ran 3 boxes of ammo through it, and zero failures of any kind, and I shot the head completely out of the silhouette target I was using, and the majority of those shots were made from twenty to twenty five yards.

I also have a 24/7 OSS pistol that is the most accurate 9mm pistol I have ever had, including, sigs, hk's, walther's, High powers, and assorted others. It has about 600 rounds through it and has never failed either.

Maybe I just got lucky.

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 16:02
You mean when you left it at your buddy's house in a backpack without him knowing it was there?


......go off topic much?? This is exactly the stuff you were doing all over the boards last time. Odd that you don't remember! It's only a 'dishing it out' issue for you because you make it personal, I just defend the PT using the reality of the Marketplace vs the bashing oponion of collectors and 1911 forum blabber mouth experts.

Yes, the hammer lock is quite good!

bac1023
03-06-2013, 18:03
......go off topic much?? This is exactly the stuff you were doing all over the boards last time. Odd that you don't remember! It's only a 'dishing it out' issue for you because you make it personal, I just defend the PT using the reality of the Marketplace vs the bashing oponion of collectors and 1911 forum blabber mouth experts.



That's nonsense.

You always made it personal with all the ball-washing nonsense. You still do. Anyone who has been here long enough would say the same thing. Most of it had nothing to do with the PT1911.

Its amazing how you justify it and try to turn it around. Don't give that crap, Flipper. I'm a little too smart for that.

ilgunguygt
03-06-2013, 18:21
Its important that we define Flippers terminology:


custom builder leg-humping=acknowledging the quality work of others


reality of the Marketplace = It sells, so it must be great(like jennings pistols)


blabber mouth experts = Those who own and appreciate quality 1911s


pestering me like a child = using facts Flipper doesnt agree with

collectors and 1911-snobs/know it alls = people with higher end guns than Flipper

I don't care what the 1911 'experts' say = I dont care if I'm wrong, I'm a liberal

No, I no longer own one as I bought it out of curiosity when they first came out. I replaced a few parts and shoot the crap out of it for a few months. The pistol is still preforming well. = After replacing all the crappy parts on it I sold it

countrygun
03-06-2013, 19:40
I have a pt-1911.


I wouldn't have one, but last year after we moved, cash was tight, so I traded my nighthawk GRP for a new in the box pt-1911 and 2k in cash.

I just shot it for the first time this past weekend, and of course it is not a nighthawk, but it outperformed my expectations. I ran 3 boxes of ammo through it, and zero failures of any kind, and I shot the head completely out of the silhouette target I was using, and the majority of those shots were made from twenty to twenty five yards.

I also have a 24/7 OSS pistol that is the most accurate 9mm pistol I have ever had, including, sigs, hk's, walther's, High powers, and assorted others. It has about 600 rounds through it and has never failed either.

Maybe I just got lucky.


I am with you. The wife and I have 6 Taurus pistols and not a problem with any of them. We are lucky too.

I don't have a problem with people saying their experiences were different, it can happen, but when Fipperbama tries to justify the idiotic hammer lock I know he fell of the end of the liberal log.

I wish he'd just take his buddy Joe's advice and stick to a shotgun. Not only has he managed to embarrass 1911 owners but Taurus owners as well and with their bad rep we don't need help(???)

I hope he never defends any other gun as well as he is doing here, it might just be the end of the whole industry.

bac1023
03-06-2013, 19:49
I am with you. The wife and I have 6 Taurus pistols and not a problem with any of them. We are lucky too.

I don't have a problem with people saying their experiences were different, it can happen, but when Fipperbama tries to justify the idiotic hammer lock I know he fell of the end of the liberal log.

I wish he'd just take his buddy Joe's advice and stick to a shotgun. Not only has he managed to embarrass 1911 owners but Taurus owners as well and with their bad rep we don't need help(???)

I hope he never defends any other gun as well as he is doing here, it might just be the end of the whole industry.

What's funny is that he calls himself a 1911 purist and then defends the lock.

It doesn't make much sense to me.

MaxxAction
03-06-2013, 20:22
I am with you. The wife and I have 6 Taurus pistols and not a problem with any of them. We are lucky too.

I don't have a problem with people saying their experiences were different, it can happen, but when Fipperbama tries to justify the idiotic hammer lock I know he fell of the end of the liberal log.

I wish he'd just take his buddy Joe's advice and stick to a shotgun. Not only has he managed to embarrass 1911 owners but Taurus owners as well and with their bad rep we don't need help(???)

I hope he never defends any other gun as well as he is doing here, it might just be the end of the whole industry.

Hey CG...

I think I stepped into an ongoing feud, a fight in which I have no dog.

I was just trying to let the OP know my experience. These current pistols are the 4th and 5th taurus pistols I have had. I had a stainless 44 mag revolver, an original 24/7 4" 45, and original 24/7 9mm.

The only problem with any of them was the first 24/7 45 I had had the barrel crowned crooked, so it constantly shot to the right. I sent the barrel back and had another one in a week no questions asked, and after that, it was a great shooter.

Back then, ammo was cheap, so I shot the hell out of that one, probably a couple thousand rounds in about 9 months, and it ran like a swiss watch. I sold it, and the other one cause I got the hots for a DPMS SASS 308 Rifle, which was a much "higher end" gun and the extractor broke after three rounds.

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 21:02
That's nonsense.

.



You do have a problem with the truth is seems. I have to admit you are good at taking threads off-topic and getting all butt-hurt when I defend the PT-1911 after you bash it.

You have some sort of jihad against the Taurus hammer lock. Just because you don't care for it does not make it a bad feature. Once again, if it was a bad idea and buyers did not care for it the locking hammer feature would not be there. The Market speaks again over your 'opinion' Do get over yourself a bit.

bac1023
03-06-2013, 21:42
We've been going around and around for years.

You have your opinion and I have mine.

That's that.

FLIPPER 348
03-06-2013, 21:47
outstanding

Please try not to get all butt-hurt when I defend the PT after you bash it.

bac1023
03-06-2013, 21:55
outstanding

Please try not to get all butt-hurt when I defend the PT after you bash it.

I'm not butt-hurt at all. You're the one that gets butt-hurt and runs to Eric.

faawrenchbndr
03-07-2013, 07:43
outstanding

Please try not to get all butt-hurt when I defend the PT after you bash it.

I'm not butt-hurt at all. You're the one that gets butt-hurt and runs to Eric.

Gotta agree with Bac, at least that is how it's gone down in the past.
Flipper, do you need Eric's e-mail or do you have him on "speed dial"?

MD357
03-07-2013, 08:31
Look at all these guys "bashing" that handy hammer lock when it failed on them..

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=35683


http://www.sniperforums.com/forum/sidearms-shotguns/32658-taurus-pt-1911b-epic-fail.html

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/taurus-1911-s/66590-hammer-stuck-has-happened-anyone-else.html


FWIW, a quick search on taurusarmed.net shows multiple problems for hammer locks for the PT1911, PT92, and their revolvers. Again, some people who really don't shoot a lot or don't know how to secure a firearm might need them, but that design is dangerous for those actually might use their PT1911 for SD.

FLIPPER 348
03-07-2013, 08:37
Gotta agree with Bac, at least that is how it's gone down in the past.
Flipper, do you need Eric's e-mail or do you have him on "speed dial"?


Y'all have a problem with the facts but that's ok!

bac1023
03-07-2013, 08:44
Y'all have a problem with the facts but that's ok!

I don't think so...

faawrenchbndr
03-07-2013, 09:30
Y'all have a problem with the facts but that's ok!

Yep,......that must be so. :wavey: