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Nestor
04-27-2013, 11:46
Hello everyone,
looks like within the next 12 months my wife may be forced to replace her 2006 vehicle with a new one.
She works as a community nurse (home care provider) within the mixed town-rural area.
Snow, rain, bad roads...doesn't matter...people still need help from her, so 4x4 would be nice.
I can use fairly decent discount (job related) from Chrysler (plus cheaper parts and service).
Since we are rather simple people (family of 3), there is no need for any fancy vehicle here - utility and price are our main priorities.
Must be easy to clean (big & messy dog is another member of our family).
She strongly prefers the manual transmission.
I recently looked at Jeep Patriot and it fits the bill nicely, but I would like to ask the owners for your opinion about this SUV.
Good or bad...bring it on, please.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.

sheriff733
04-27-2013, 12:38
Chrysler product?

No thank you.

BobRicks
04-27-2013, 12:56
I bought a plain basic Jeep Patriot brand new in 2008. It has a/c and a am/fm radio with cd. I have to manually roll down the windows, and manually unlock the doors, and it does not have a cruise control. I got the one with the CV transmission.

I just paid it off two months ago. It now has about 49K miles on it, and it has been to the shop twice since I purchased it. Once for a seat belt issue that was covered under warranty,and once for a computer glitch where it just needed re-programming.

I change my oil every 3000 miles, and use Penn-Z-Oil 5W-30, and other than the two above mentioned incidents, it has been a GREAT ride. I am rough on vehicles, as I don't wash them often nor clean out the interior often, and this one has held up quite well.

With the auto transmission and 4 cylinder engine, it only gets about 20 mpg in the city, and 25 mpg on the highway, and that is the only complaint I have about it. It does everything I need it to do.

I am going to trade it in next year, as I feel like I need to get another pick up truck, but I would not hesitate to purchase another Patriot after owning this one.

vart
04-27-2013, 13:17
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Affordable-Compact-SUVs/


The 2013 Honda CR-V ranks 3 out of 21 Affordable Compact SUVs (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Affordable-Compact-SUVs/). This ranking is based on our analysis of 29 published reviews and test drives of the Honda CR-V, and our analysis of reliability and safety data.


The 2013 Honda CR-V is ranked:

#3 in Affordable Compact SUVs (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Affordable-Compact-SUVs/)
#3 in Affordable Crossover SUVs (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Affordable-Crossover-SUVs/)
While some competing SUVs offer more power, the 2013 Honda CR-V shines with nimble handling, a roomy interior and a standard rearview camera.
The 2013 Honda CR-V has a four-cylinder engine, which is paired with a five-speed automatic transmission. Although some reviewers say that many competing SUVs offer transmissions with more gears or optional engines with more power, they still generally agree that the 2013 CR-V will perform adequately on your daily commute. With an EPA-estimated 23/31 mpg city/highway, the CR-V also uses less fuel than a number of SUVs in the class. Most test drivers are particularly pleased with the CR-Vís handling, saying that its small turning radius and car-like ride make the CR-V one of the most nimble SUVs in the segment. Additionally, the CR-V's impressive safety and reliability ratings make it a smart choice among affordable compact SUVs.
The Honda CR-V is the 2013 Best Compact SUV for Families (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Honda_CR-V/to%20http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Best-Cars-for-Families/) because it has the best combination of quality, size and family-friendly features in its class.
Inside, reviewers find that the CR-V includes a spacious cargo hold and back seat, as well as comfortable and supportive front seats. Some members of the automotive press write that the CR-Vís interior materials could be nicer, and that the optional navigation system is difficult to use, but most say that if youíre looking for a small family SUV, the 2013 CR-V is certainly worth your consideration. The CR-Vís standard features include a backup camera, which is rare for the class, as well as a USB port and Bluetooth phone and audio streaming. Optional features include a moonroof, navigation, dual-zone climate control, leather upholstery and heated front seats.


Jeep Patriot Review


The 2013 Jeep Patriot ranks 20 out of 21 Affordable Compact SUVs (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Affordable-Compact-SUVs/). This ranking is based on our analysis of 59 published reviews and test drives of the Jeep Patriot, and our analysis of reliability and safety data.


The 2013 Jeep Patriot is ranked:

#20 in Affordable Compact SUVs (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Affordable-Compact-SUVs/)
#14 in Off-Road SUVs (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Off-Road-SUVs/)
Although it offers four-wheel drive capability, test drivers say that the 2013 Jeep Patriot canít compete with compact SUVs that offer higher-quality interiors and better on-road performance.
The 2013 Jeep Patriot comes with a four-cylinder engine and a five-speed manual transmission. Some test drivers say that the Patriot offers adequate power, though the bulk of reviewers agree that the Patriot is sluggish from a stop and underpowered on the highway. A more powerful engine and a continuously variable transmission (CVT) are available, but test drivers say that even with the added horsepower, the Patriot doesnít accelerate as well as they would like. The Patriot gets up to 23/30 mpg city/highway, which is fairly good for the class. However, models equipped with all- and four-wheel drive see lower EPA estimates. Most critics say that while the Patriot handles adequately, many rivals in the class offer better handling and a more refined ride. Thatís not an uncommon trait among off-road SUVs (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Off-Road-SUVs/), however the Patriot also doesnít perform as well as rivals like the Jeep Wrangler and Nissan Xterra when the pavement ends.
While a low base price may seem appealing to SUV shoppers, but the base Patriot is sparsely equipped. Features like air conditioning, keyless entry and power windows donít come standard, and reviewers say that hard plastic surfaces dominate the Patriotís cabin. While test drivers find the front seats comfortable, they also say that the back seat doesnít offer enough legroom. The Patriot also offers less cargo space than many SUVs in the class. The 2013 Patriot comes standard with a four-speaker stereo with an auxiliary input jack, while available features include an upgraded Boston Acoustics stereo, heated front seats, navigation and Bluetooth.

vart
04-27-2013, 13:26
The Jeep Patriot ranks at or near the bottom of every list that ranks small SUVs...

Buy it!

I traded in my Sig Sauer on a Hi-Point because I'm a Hi-Point man, just like my daddy...

My Hi-point has never malfunctioned in the dozens of rounds I have shot through it and I don't know why people bad mouth them.

It's critics are a bunch of anti-American, anti-union commies...

Nestor
04-27-2013, 14:03
Thanks Bob. Thanks everyone else.
I've learnt that all the rankings that are out there are worth only as much as one wants to believe in them. We currently own two American made (actually one was made in Canada and one in Mexico :) ) cars that are not high in any rankings ...and they never were as far as I'm concerned...yet over the last 5 years we experienced ZERO problems with them. Only scheduled maintenance. Back in Europe we had however quite a few Toyota products that were suppose to be near the top in their respective categories and guess what? Yes, we had quite a busy service schedule with them.
So, that's exactly why I would like to hear from the owners of the Patriots.
Enjoy your day :wavey:

FCastle88
04-27-2013, 14:06
I used to have a Cherokee, biggest POS I've ever had. Between me and the previous owner I think we replaced pretty much everything electronic in that vehicle. The 4WD worked about half the time, and even with decent snow rated all-terrain tires it was terrible in the rain and snow. Jeep has consistently gotten terrible reliability ratings from Consumer Reports. I work with a bunch of Jeep fanatics, the ones with older Jeeps they bought used are always talking about what they need to fix this week. The ones who buy new Jeeps always seem to trade-in on a new one about the time the warranty runs out.

If she really wants a manual the Forester is one of the few small SUV's/crossovers that are available with a manual, and it gets very good reliability ratings. It will also hold up to bad roads and light off-roading better than most other vehicles in the class. Sounds like it would be perfect for what you need.

The RAV4 and CR-V are reliable but have cheap suspensions that aren't going to hold up well to a lot of driving on very rough roads. The RAV4 especially bounces and sways all over the place on rough roads. They're also only available with automatic transmissions. The CR-V has a more solid build and the nicer interior out of the two.

Nestor
04-27-2013, 14:19
There is a new 2014 Forester coming soon and we sure will take a look at one, however the prices are way higher than we would like to spend and there is no authorized Subaru service in our town. Even in near-by city there is only one dealer very, very far away from us. May not work at all with her busy schedule. Thanks though!

moeman
04-27-2013, 14:22
I don't even like them as a rental car. They are one of the worst... The Dodge nitro is as crappy too.

JMS
04-27-2013, 14:31
Toyota Matrix AWD

vettely
04-27-2013, 14:33
I have 2010 Challenger R/T (Dodge/Chrysler) and it has been a fantastic car and makes me smile every time I get behind the wheel.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh131/Vettely/CHalfrontparklight.jpg

Nestor
04-27-2013, 14:42
Toyota Matrix AWD

That would be a very nice choice for sure, but I believe it's no longer offered here in Canada and when it was, the prices were on level with some pretty decent trucks. Good idea though.

Nestor
04-27-2013, 14:53
I have 2010 Challenger R/T (Dodge/Chrysler) and it has been a fantastic car and makes me smile every time I get behind the wheel.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh131/Vettely/CHalfrontparklight.jpg

That is one, good looking machine :cool:
Congratulations!

Atlas
04-27-2013, 15:05
I have seen how Chrysler transmissions are manufactured, recently.

There is no possibility I would ever buy any Chrysler product.


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vart
04-27-2013, 15:07
I've learnt that all the rankings that are out there are worth only as much as one wants to believe in them. We currently own two American made (actually one was made in Canada and one in Mexico :) ) cars that are not high in any rankings ...and they never were as far as I'm concerned...yet over the last 5 years we experienced ZERO problems with them. Only scheduled maintenance. Back in Europe we had however quite a few Toyota products that were suppose to be near the top in their respective categories and guess what? Yes, we had quite a busy service schedule with them.
So, that's exactly why I would like to hear from the owners of the Patriots.
Enjoy your day :wavey:

Sooo... Because of your limited experience that flies in the face of the established statistical data, you will no longer believe in the gut-wrenchingly honest mathematical truth and are instead wanting to hear from a couple of owners to base your family's future financial well-being on?

If that is really how you want to get information, then why don't you go to a forum of Jeep Patriot owners and ask them?

Or have you and didn't like what you found?
http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Page one included multiple threads on problems...


I just came from getting the oil changed in the Patriot tonight(I still go to the dealer I used to work at even though they are no longer a Chryslerhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37926#)/Jeep dealer)
I was talking to the tech that has been working on my carshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37926#) for the last 13 years about the noise in the front end of the Jeep. So he checked the lower ball joints and the R/F is about ready to fall out of the socket and the L/F is not too far behind. So a Jeep that is not even 3 years old(6/19/10), not abused in any way and not even near 36,000 miles. This is a warning for all on this board, have your ball joints checked and you will thank me for it.

Tom



So I was driving along fine and stopped, I didn't even shut off the enginehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124649#) and it was running fine. Then I went to go hit on the accelerator and the electronic throttle control light went on and the carhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124649#) started running really rough. It started surging and shaking violently. I tried to accelerate and it would barely go. Any ideas to what this could be?



I have a 2009 limited edition 4x4 jeep patriot. A few weeks ago the transmission started acting weird and it felt like it wasn't accelerating the way it should. My gas mileage also went from about 24 -25ish to 17 mpg. I took it to the dealer and they said that the internal components are just "loose" they tightened very thing back down and said it would be fine. I was deployed for all of this so I never got to test drive it before my family picked it up. I went home to pick it up and drive it back to where I'm stationed and after six or so hours it started making this weird high revving sound as soon as I let my foot off the gas. It's also rattling slightly. She also revs up to about 2.5 rpm on engine start and slowly goes back down? My gas mileage isnt terrible but its only going up to 23ish. Oh and no failure lights are coming on but To put it simply.....it sounds like a wind up toy. Any suggestions on wtf this might be or am I just paranoid?



So, the list goes on with my repairs to the Pat. Needless to say, I'm getting fed up with it. But anyways I replaced the wheel bearings and now I have an Traction Control light on and 4WD!. I pulled a code: P0581. Everything was fine before I replaced the bearing. Any ideas on what it could be? Also I replaced the cruise control switch, so I was messing around with the steering wheel. Any leads would be greatly appreciated!

John_NJ
04-27-2013, 15:10
You can do a lot better with a Chevy Equinox, Ford Escape, Honda CRV, Subaru Forester, or Mazda CX5. I would consider any of these before the Jeep Patroit - they have very questionable quality.

Bill Powell
04-27-2013, 15:15
Adam, who cares what it's rating is. If you buy it new it will be under warranty for years, and most dealers have loaner cars. Get as little electronic accesssory crap as you can and go with the basics.

It's hard to believe you've been in Canada that long.

dan1488
04-27-2013, 15:18
I have seen how Chrysler transmissions are manufactured, recently.

There is no possibility I would ever buy any Chrysler product.


.

good for you, all I own is Jeep products and have had no problems. If you have ever looked in any restaurants kitchen you would never eat out also.

dan1488
04-27-2013, 15:21
Sooo... Because of your limited experience that flies in the face of the established statistical data, you will no longer believe in the gut-wrenchingly honest mathematical truth and are instead wanting to hear from a couple of owners to base your family's future financial well-being on?

If that is really how you want to get information, then why don't you go to a forum of Jeep Patriot owners and ask them?

Or have you and didn't like what you found?
http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Page one included multiple threads on problems...

Supposedly statistical data says 80-90% of Americans want universal background checks, I don't believe it one bit. I could search any Toyota or Honda forum and find the same stuff.

vart
04-27-2013, 15:23
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vart
04-27-2013, 15:27
Supposedly statistical data says 80-90% of Americans want universal background checks, I don't believe it one bit. I could search any Toyota or Honda forum and find the same stuff.

Wow! What a compelling argument! So, you don't believe the statistics, don't believe the actual owners, and don't believe professional auto reviewers...?

:dunno:

vettely
04-27-2013, 15:46
I have seen how Chrysler transmissions are manufactured, recently.

There is no possibility I would ever buy any Chrysler product.


.
Um, my Challenger has a Tremec tranny. Tremec is used in many different vehicles.

FCastle88
04-27-2013, 15:54
Adam, who cares what it's rating is. If you buy it new it will be under warranty for years, and most dealers have loaner cars. Get as little electronic accesssory crap as you can and go with the basics.

It's hard to believe you've been in Canada that long.

Ignoring reliability issues, hoping you get one of the few honest and helpful dealers to fix everything under warranty, and then selling it in 3-5 years when the warranty runs out isn't a very good financial decision. Especially since money seems to be enough of an issue that he doesn't want to pay the extra $3K or so for a Forester or most other vehicles in the class. He's going to lose a lot more than $3K selling it when the warranty runs out, or keeping it past the warranty and paying for repairs.

Willfulone
04-27-2013, 15:59
Seriously...go find a low miles (under 150,000) Jeep Cherokee XJ - 1997 - 2001 (99 if you can find it) for 2 Grand, change the
oil, trans fluid, radiator fluid, put new plugs in it and drive it for
another 150K :supergrin:


Will

Caustic117
04-27-2013, 16:05
Seriously...go find a low miles (under 150,000) Jeep Cherokee XJ - 1997 - 2001 (99 if you can find it) for 2 Grand, change the
oil, trans fluid, radiator fluid, put new plugs in it and drive it for
another 150K :supergrin:


Will

QFT.


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Nestor
04-27-2013, 16:12
Well, I can get Jeep for under $20k while basic Subaru is way over $30k here.
Will $11-13k make a difference in my budget?
You bet.
Will I pay $11-13k in repairs over the years of ownership?
Probably not.
Escape is over $30k here and it wasn't perfect vehicle either - at least in previous generation. Personal experience with two of them from my previous job.
Equinox...well...I just don't know. Must go out and check one.
I can honestly say that I can see no reason to defend this choice, simply because there was no decision made yet and I don't feel like arguing on the internet with the people who never owned one.
Maybe it's a POS indeed.
5 years ago I was told the same about two domestic cars that we currently own. They ran perfectly over the last 5 years though.
Scheduled maintenance only and much cheaper than anything japanese. I'm going to keep one for the years to come just to see how long it will serve me (plus I like it), however the one used by my wife was involved in two, serious collisions over the last two years (not my wife's fault on both accounts) and it starts to show.
Lately a truck driver backed up in the side of that car and it's about the time to start looking for replacement.
I do appreciate the concern of people who had bad experience (or just heard from someone about such experience) with Chrysler products from the past, but it's not what I'm looking for.
I can check the rankings myself too, no problem.
I can take them for what they are, or I can ignore them.
Easy enough.
In my opinion however, first hand experience with particular model is usually a bit different from what internet says.
That's all.
:wavey:

Nestor
04-27-2013, 16:18
Adam, who cares what it's rating is. If you buy it new it will be under warranty for years, and most dealers have loaner cars. Get as little electronic accesssory crap as you can and go with the basics.

It's hard to believe you've been in Canada that long.

Thanks Bill.
Maybe lack of the electronics is the reason behind good luck with our current, domestic cars?
I like to keep things simple.
Time flies indeed.
5 years went by really fast.
It's been good 5 years though.

vart
04-27-2013, 16:20
Adam, who cares what it's rating is. If you buy it new it will be under warranty for years, and most dealers have loaner cars.

That's what I thought when I bought my new 2005 Chrysler Town & Country.

It was under warranty the entire time I owned it, but I failed to take into account all the time I spent at the dealer, the physical harm to my wife when the ac compressor imploded and metal fragments blew through the vents and into her eye, the 3 weeks in July in AZ we spent without AC because of the national backorder on compressors, or the potential harm to my family from getting stranded in the middle of nowhere by a bad alternator...

Whatever, I'm done posting in this thread because some people just refuse to have common sense; you can lead a horse to water...:dunno:

FCastle88
04-27-2013, 16:21
Now I'm curious, how is the Patriot almost the same price there as it is in the US, but the Forester and Escape are both $10K+ more expensive than in the US?

Nestor
04-27-2013, 16:23
Now I'm curious, how is the Patriot almost the same price there as it is in the US, but the Forester and Escape are both $10K+ more expensive than in the US?

Maybe tax?
I don't know really.
Everything is more expensive here.
As I mentioned earlier - Chrysler gives me a discount (normally such Jeep would be around $22k) plus discount on parts and labour.

http://www.jeep.ca/en/
http://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebSiteID=282

Ragnar
04-27-2013, 16:26
To call it a Jeep is an insult. Its a cheap excuse for one.

Nestor
04-27-2013, 16:33
To call it a Jeep is an insult. Its a cheap excuse for one.

Maybe, but I'm not making emotional choice here.
I've talked with two owners from my town and they are both happy (one vehicle has 60 k miles, the other about 40k on the odometer). No problems were reported.

Gregg702
04-27-2013, 16:35
I personally would not own a Chrystler product, but I believe there are no truely bad new cars available in the US. Some may be worse or less reliable than others, but they are all much better than your average car from 10,20, or 30 years ago. If the Patriot it really what you want, go for it, but if I were you I would test drive alternatives as well. A Subaru Impreza, while not an SUV, offers great AWD and decent gas mileage, and it is not very expensive.

Nestor
04-27-2013, 16:39
Thanks Gregg. We certainly are going to give a solid try to 5-6 different brands/models before spending any money. It just seems like it's pretty good bang for a buck in small 4x4 SUV/wagon market.
That's why I'm looking for a feedback on this model.

dan1488
04-27-2013, 17:26
Wow! What a compelling argument! So, you don't believe the statistics, don't believe the actual owners, and don't believe professional auto reviewers...?

:dunno:

You believe about the UBC's. On that its all in the wording in the questions. Here you go on a quick look for Honda. Just a quick search and they have there own website for honda, not sure of the brand you drive.

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Restless28
04-27-2013, 18:10
That's cute Dan. I guess that's why Hondas retain their value so well and are desirable.

Atlas made a good point. He knows the industry and how the plants work. Some of the tales are eye opening.

Nestor
04-27-2013, 18:36
Well, thanks for taking your time Guys.
We will certainly closely inspect and drive quite a few, different vehicles before making any, further decisions.
Who knows...maybe she'll be better off with a solid, FWD car instead?
It's up to her to decide anyway.
I can only propose some ideas :)

dan1488
04-27-2013, 19:20
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Camry Hybrid (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Camry_Hybrid/) 35
Carib (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Carib/) 2
Carina (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Carina/) 1
Cavalier (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Cavalier/) 2
Celica (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Celica/) 58
Corolla (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Corolla/) 583
Cressida (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Cressida/) 1
Dyna (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Dyna/) 1
Echo (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Echo/) 22
Etios (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Etios/) 26
FJ Cruiser (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/FJ_Cruiser/) 16
FJ40 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/FJ40/) 1


Fortune (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Fortune/) 1
Fortuner (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Fortuner/) 1
Harrier (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Harrier/) 2
Hiace (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Hiace/) 2
Highlander (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Highlander/) 147
Highlander Hybrid (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Highlander_Hybrid/) 14
Hilux (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Hilux/) 1
Innova (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Innova/) 1
iQ2 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/iQ2/) 2
King Cab (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/King_Cab/) 1
Land Cruiser (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Land_Cruiser/) 6
Matrix (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Matrix/) 83
MR2 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/MR2/) 4
Paseo (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Paseo/) 3
Pickup (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Pickup/) 39
Previa (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Previa/) 3
Prius (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Prius/) 162
RAV4 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/RAV4/) 992


Scion (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Scion/) 8
Sequoia (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Sequoia/) 145
Sienna (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Sienna/) 412
Solara (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Solara/) 28
Sprinter (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Sprinter/) 1
Supra (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Supra/) 3
T100 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/T100/) 1
Tacoma (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Tacoma/) 271
Tarago (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Tarago/) 2
Tercel (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Tercel/) 19
Tundra (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Tundra/) 111
Van (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Van/) 2
Venza (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Venza/) 23
Verso (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Verso/) 1
Vitz (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Vitz/) 1
Windom (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Windom/) 2
Yaris (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Yaris/) 82
Yaris Verso (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Yaris_Verso/) 2

just saying all vehicles have there own set of problems.

vart
04-27-2013, 20:21
http://cdn.carcomplaints.com/img/vehicles/2012/12_toyota_tundra.png
Toyota Overview

Toyota Model Line Comparison


Worst Model Year2002Most ComplaintsToyota Camry (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Camry/) CarComplaints.com has 4,667 complaints on file for Toyota vehicles.
The worst models are the 2007 Camry (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Camry/2007/), 2009 Camry (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Camry/2009/), 2002 RAV4 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/RAV4/2002/), 2002 Camry (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Camry/2002/), and the 2004 Sienna (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Sienna/2004/).
Click on a model below for more information.
Browse Problems by Model


4Runner (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/4Runner/) 87
Aurion (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Aurion/) 2
Avalon (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Avalon/) 244
Avanza (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Avanza/) 6
Avensis (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Avensis/) 9
Camry (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Camry/) 993
Camry Hybrid (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Camry_Hybrid/) 35
Carib (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Carib/) 2
Carina (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Carina/) 1
Cavalier (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Cavalier/) 2
Celica (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Celica/) 58
Corolla (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Corolla/) 583
Cressida (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Cressida/) 1
Dyna (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Dyna/) 1
Echo (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Echo/) 22
Etios (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Etios/) 26
FJ Cruiser (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/FJ_Cruiser/) 16
FJ40 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/FJ40/) 1


Fortune (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Fortune/) 1
Fortuner (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Fortuner/) 1
Harrier (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Harrier/) 2
Hiace (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Hiace/) 2
Highlander (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Highlander/) 147
Highlander Hybrid (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Highlander_Hybrid/) 14
Hilux (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Hilux/) 1
Innova (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Innova/) 1
iQ2 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/iQ2/) 2
King Cab (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/King_Cab/) 1
Land Cruiser (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Land_Cruiser/) 6
Matrix (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Matrix/) 83
MR2 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/MR2/) 4
Paseo (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Paseo/) 3
Pickup (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Pickup/) 39
Previa (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Previa/) 3
Prius (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Prius/) 162
RAV4 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/RAV4/) 992


Scion (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Scion/) 8
Sequoia (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Sequoia/) 145
Sienna (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Sienna/) 412
Solara (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Solara/) 28
Sprinter (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Sprinter/) 1
Supra (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Supra/) 3
T100 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/T100/) 1
Tacoma (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Tacoma/) 271
Tarago (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Tarago/) 2
Tercel (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Tercel/) 19
Tundra (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Tundra/) 111
Van (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Van/) 2
Venza (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Venza/) 23
Verso (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Verso/) 1
Vitz (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Vitz/) 1
Windom (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Windom/) 2
Yaris (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Yaris/) 82
Yaris Verso (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Yaris_Verso/) 2
just saying all vehicles have there own set of problems.

I went to the same site you did and clicked on Dodge just to compare the numbers...

Dodge has 3 times as many complaints as Toyota.

If you are still trying to say Dodge is as good as Toyota, you have failed miserably...

:rofl:


http://cdn.carcomplaints.com/img/vehicles/2012/12_dodge_challenger.png
Dodge Overview

Dodge Model Line Comparison



Worst Model Year 2001
Most ComplaintsDodge Ram 1500 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Ram_1500/) CarComplaints.com has 14,749 complaints on file for Dodge vehicles.
The worst models are the 2000 Intrepid (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Intrepid/2000/), 2002 Ram 1500 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Ram_1500/2002/), 2001 Intrepid (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Intrepid/2001/), 1999 Intrepid (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Intrepid/1999/), and the 2004 Durango (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Durango/2004/).
Click on a model below for more information.

Browse Problems by Model


600 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/600/)1
Aries (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Aries/)3
Avenger (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Avenger/)353
B150 Van (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/B150_Van/)1
B250 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/B250/)1
B2500 Cargo Van (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/B2500_Cargo_Van/)4
Caliber (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Caliber/)270
Caravan (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Caravan/)991
Cargo Van (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Cargo_Van/)1
Challenger (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Challenger/)11
Charger (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Charger/)145
Colt (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Colt/)4
Commander (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Commander/)0
D-100 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/D-100/)1
D150 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/D150/)2
D200 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/D200/)1
D2500 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/D2500/)3
Dakota (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Dakota/)648
Dart (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Dart/)5


Daytona (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Daytona/)11
Durango (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Durango/)1,748
Dynasty (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Dynasty/)13
Grand Caravan (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Grand_Caravan/)1,379
Intrepid (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Intrepid/)1,915
Journey (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Journey/)688
Magnum (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Magnum/)146
Neon (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Neon/)479
Nitro (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Nitro/)33
Omni (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Omni/)4
Power Ram 50 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Power_Ram_50/)1
Power Wagon (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Power_Wagon/)4
Ram (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Ram/)175
Ram 100 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Ram_100/)1
Ram 150 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Ram_150/)3
Ram 1500 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Ram_1500/)4,010
Ram 1500 Conversion Van (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Ram_1500_Conversion_Van/)1
Ram 250 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Ram_250/)4
Ram 2500 (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Ram_2500/)678

LASTRESORT20
04-27-2013, 20:40
No Problems with `Jeep` Wrangler....enjoy and take care of it.

Slug71
04-27-2013, 21:02
If I got a Jeep, the only one I'd consider is the Wrangler.

My girlfriends mom has the new Compass and IMO, the quality seems very poor. No way i'd buy one. Felt like I was sitting in a Tupperware bowl and the seats feel like those cheap foam pads you can get for computer chairs etc.

I highly recommend you check out the 2013 Ford Escape. We rented one for a trip recently and I was HIGHLY impressed. It had the 2.0L Ecoboost engine with Intelligent 4WD. Mileage was good. The ride was completely decked out with Sync and Leather etc. and was Super comfortable! We did a 4 hour drive and I could easily have driven much longer. No sore ass or anything. That engine has some serious balls too for a 2.0.

My gf is adamant it will be her next car.

dan1488
04-27-2013, 22:56
[QUOTE=vart;20226801]I went to the same site you did and clicked on Dodge just to compare the numbers...

Dodge has 3 times as many complaints as Toyota.

If you are still trying to say Dodge is as good as Toyota, you have failed miserably...

:rofl:

You must of missed the part where I said all vehicles have there own set of problems. Also where did I mention anything about Dodge? Thought we were talking about Jeep? Look again at Jeep :rofl:

Geeorge
04-28-2013, 02:56
Bought mine new in 2010,

has the cvt transmission,4wd,ac and the premium wheels

averages 27mpg and I have no complaints with it

Atlas
04-28-2013, 03:39
good for you, all I own is Jeep products and have had no problems. If you have ever looked in any restaurants kitchen you would never eat out also.

I'm happy that you've had good service from your Jeeps.


Um, my Challenger has a Tremec tranny. Tremec is used in many different vehicles.

I'm aware of the Tremec transmission.

My comment was pertaining to Chrysler as an organization.
Seeing for several weeks the way they run their transmission manufacturing facility tells me all I need to know about the present-day Chrysler organization.

I've spent time in plants run by other auto manufacturers (BMW, Mercedes, Ford), as well as more than 30 years in factories making plastics, electronic components, disposable diapers, home appliances, precision ceramics, concrete, construction materials, and many other things.


In time you learn to recognize the quality of an organization as a whole, how disciplined and focused they are, their overall devotion to quality.

What I saw in that Chrysler facility was in my opinion a lazy sloppiness, a complete lack of engineering and manufacturing discipline. I wouldn't trust them to manufacture a plastic dish to feed my dog, never-mind an automobile.

Sorry if that offends the hard-core Chrysler/Jeep "fans" here, I'm only reporting what I saw.

.

Restless28
04-28-2013, 04:34
I'm happy that you've had good service from your Jeeps.




I'm aware of the Tremec transmission.

My comment was pertaining to Chrysler as an organization.
Seeing for several weeks the way they run their transmission manufacturing facility tells me all I need to know about the present-day Chrysler organization.

I've spent time in plants run by other auto manufacturers (BMW, Mercedes, Ford), as well as more than 30 years in factories making plastics, electronic components, disposable diapers, home appliances, precision ceramics, concrete, construction materials, and many other things.


In time you learn to recognize the quality of an organization as a whole, how disciplined and focused they are, their overall devotion to quality.

What I saw in that Chrysler facility was in my opinion a lazy sloppiness, a complete lack of engineering and manufacturing discipline. I wouldn't trust them to manufacture a plastic dish to feed my dog, never-mind an automobile.

Sorry if that offends the hard-core Chrysler/Jeep "fans" here, I'm only reporting what I saw.

.

I think I've asked before, but which manufacturers impress you?

DanaT
04-28-2013, 04:52
Well,

I would say I am picky about vehicles and not too many do I like.

On my short list of what I like is a Jeep Wrangler. I have had 2 and just awesome little vehicles for what they are.




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Nestor
05-09-2013, 20:00
Well, looks like we are going to end up with 2013 Toyota Corolla with the manual transmission. Local dealer is ready to give us a good deal.

Johnspark
05-09-2013, 20:13
I'm just going to say this, cause it needs sayin.

FJ Cruiser FTW!

swoh
05-09-2013, 20:39
Thanks Bob. Thanks everyone else.
I've learnt that all the rankings that are out there are worth only as much as one wants to believe in them. We currently own two American made (actually one was made in Canada and one in Mexico :) ) cars that are not high in any rankings ...and they never were as far as I'm concerned...yet over the last 5 years we experienced ZERO problems with them. Only scheduled maintenance. Back in Europe we had however quite a few Toyota products that were suppose to be near the top in their respective categories and guess what? Yes, we had quite a busy service schedule with them.
So, that's exactly why I would like to hear from the owners of the Patriots.
Enjoy your day :wavey:

I used to work with a lot of mechanics in a job in between jobs and while they all preferred GMs or Fords to drive, they wouldn't say anything bad about Honda or Toyota. They hated Chrysler, even though Mopar products kept them employed, and only one owned one, which was a Jeep Cherokee with the 4.0L straight-six (saw one of these with 450,000 miles on it, original engine, no rebuild - but the rest of the truck was about shot). Chryslers are the biggest POSs on the road, followed by Mitsubishis. I should also note that Chrysler products, specifically the Ram 1500 w/ 4.7, is the worst vehicle out there for belt noise because of how poorly designed the pulleys are, at least according to the Dayco rep I spoke with at a product seminar.

swoh
05-09-2013, 20:42
Um, my Challenger has a Tremec tranny. Tremec is used in many different vehicles.

And many more are made in Kokomo, Indiana by Chrysler - have a cousin who works there and that right there scares me.

Nestor
05-09-2013, 20:48
In the end it was between GM product and Toyota.
Obviously we can't afford decent SUV with 4x4, so we went with the better offer for sedan. On top of everything else we also got decent discount on 84 months/100 000 miles extended warranty. Nothing exciting, but we never really looked for excitement anyway...