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RichardB
05-17-2013, 12:44
Molon Labe = Come and take

The story goes that the Persian commander asked King Leonidas, the Spartan commander, to order the Spartan soldiers lay down their arms. The Kings response was “Molon Labe” ( in ancient Greek of course) so the Persians came and got them, after a 3 day fight.

Do we really want to use the quotation of a Commander who got his entire force killed as an inspirational theme? It really does not have the same ring to me as Mc Auliffe's' “NUTS”, or “Remember the Alamo”.

I've no objection to principled defiance, but could not the theme makers have come up with a more sucessful image to voice our complaint? Any ideas or suggestions?

thetoastmaster
05-17-2013, 12:51
Well, you mentioned the best example, in my opinion: "Remember the Alamo".

I also like the Gadsden flag; but that too has got a lot of negative press (likely undeserved).

Zeebra724
05-17-2013, 13:57
Because Americans fighting for independence have used that slogan against the British and the Mexicans before...just in English as "Come and Take It!" but referring specifically to "Molon Labe!"

The irony is that this slogan in it's English translation was uttered by Americans and led to the stand at The Alamo. :cool:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_take_it

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Gonzales_Flag.JPG/800px-Gonzales_Flag.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Come_And_Take_It_Mural.jpg

Do we use slogans like, "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" because we believe it or because it turned out well for the one(s) who uttered it? I would hope that we would cry out Patrick Henry's defiant cry for freedom, even if he had been hanged the next day by the British for treason to the crown.

Mr Spock
05-17-2013, 14:13
Molon Labe = Come and take

The story goes that the Persian commander asked King Leonidas, the Spartan commander, to order the Spartan soldiers lay down their arms. The Kings response was “Molon Labe” ( in ancient Greek of course) so the Persians came and got them, after a 3 day fight.

Do we really want to use the quotation of a Commander who got his entire force killed as an inspirational theme? It really does not have the same ring to me as Mc Auliffe's' “NUTS”, or “Remember the Alamo”.

I've no objection to principled defiance, but could not the theme makers have come up with a more sucessful image to voice our complaint? Any ideas or suggestions?

Look at the disparity in force at Thermopylae, at the numbers lost on each side, and the success that battle had in crippling the Persian war machine, and you'll understand the purpose of the phrase. The Spartans were successful. They died on their feet and preserved their country and its way of life.

Originalsin
06-20-2013, 10:37
Kind of reminds me of this...

Come get some. - YouTube

:P

caraker0341
06-22-2013, 16:40
Alright, She*****. Let's go.

bfg1971
07-20-2013, 19:58
Leonidas knew he and his men were not coming back when they left Sparta. His reply was in response to an offer to lay down his arms, step aside, effectively betray his homeland while saving himself. "Molon Labe" is effectively saying over my dead body, and it was said by someone who knew that would be the case.

The question is will people today surrender or surrender to death? "Molon Labe" is I may surrender to death, but I'll never surrender to you.

ithaca_deerslayer
07-20-2013, 20:12
Up yours.

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I joined the NRA, have you yet?

thetoastmaster
07-20-2013, 20:41
"Nuts!"
-Gen. Anthony McAuliffe

Lowjiber
07-21-2013, 06:49
There comes a time when a man must decide when he's had enough. For me, the concept of the governmental seizure of my firearm is that point... my line-in-the sand, if you like. Law abiding folks like me didn't create this mess, and I'll be damned if I'll surrender my 2nd Amendment freedom as part of the "solution".

Molon Labe represents my statement to the world of exactly where I'm willing to die. Believe me, those who desire to disarm me know exactly what it means. In the bottom rear corner of my Jeep's back window is a small, black sticker with the bust of a Spartan warrior that simply says "Molon Labe". That's "it", no further statements via stickers, signs, letters to editors, etc. will be forthcoming. Period.

TheJ
07-21-2013, 07:00
The phrase and the sentiment is not about "we are winners so don't mess with us". It's about an unwavering resolve of principles even in the face of the most grave circumstances. Who "won" (however you define that) at Thermopylae is not important to the sentiment expressed.

If it were all about lifting slogan from "winners" we would be referring to lines from Spanish conquistadors, Jimmie Johnson or some sports team that won a bunch of things... That would seem awfully odd.

wlkjr
07-21-2013, 11:00
The phrase and the sentiment is not about "we are winners so don't mess with us". It's about an unwavering resolve of principles even in the face of the most grave circumstances. Who "won" (however you define that) at Thermopylae is not important to the sentiment expressed.

If it were all about lifting slogan from "winners" we would be referring to lines from Spanish conquistadors, Jimmie Johnson or some sports team that won a bunch of things... That would seem awfully odd.

Amen brother. Well said.

Dragoon44
09-28-2013, 11:34
It is about defiance no matter the odds.

Alexandra the greats father once tried to threaten the Spartans.

He sent them this message,

"if I enter Laconia I will burn every city, kill every man, and sell every woman and child into slavery. "

The Spartans sent back a one word reply.

" If "

johntom
09-28-2013, 11:58
I think it's great, like the others have said, it's about the statement they made with their death. They died honorable deaths which is all that they wished as a warrior culture.

You said remember the Alamo is ok but that was a slaughter too. That saying is also not about the loss of life but of the statement made with that loss.

Everyone has to die of something, I'd say those men were lucky that their deaths provided a message still passed today.