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GSD17
06-05-2013, 23:27
This thread is designed to answer the most common questions about the different GLOCK training model pistols. The pistols below are mine. There are different variations and generations, like all other models.


We will start with the “T” models. The most common is the G17T. The G17T comes in two calibers; the 9mmFX (more commonly known as “simunitions”) and the 7.8x21AC. The 9mmFX is a center fire cartridge and is the most common of the G17T. The 7.8x21AC is an air compressed cartridge. GLOCK says it exists, but to this date I have never seen one nor even found a picture of one. In addition to the G17T, I have seen pictures of a G19T, so other “T” models may exist.


The “T” models are considered real firearms, thus, all federal, state and local laws apply. They are legal to own (depending on your jurisdiction), but are available from GLOCK to LE only. They do pop up for sale from time to time in various places.


This is the G17T. Obviously, you can see that the “T” models are blue.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/DSC03361.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/DSC03361.jpg.html)


This is the left side of the slide, denoting that it is a G17T and is chambered in 9mmFX.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Tname1.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Tname1.jpg.html)


This is the right side of the slide, warning you that the pistol is designed for training.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Twarning1.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Twarning1.jpg.html)


All of the “T” models get a serial prefix of “T” followed by numbers. The “T” prefix is reserved for “T” models only and is not found on any other model.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Tserialprefix.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Tserialprefix.jpg.html)


Interestingly, this is a 3rd Generation frame, but the “T” has yet to get the third pin.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/DSC03402.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/DSC03402.jpg.html)


This is the muzzle of the 9mmFX barrel. You can see how it is offset to the top.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Tmuzzle.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Tmuzzle.jpg.html)

GSD17
06-05-2013, 23:27
The G17T uses a regular 9mm magazine, though it comes with a blue magazine baseplate.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Tmagazine.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Tmagazine.jpg.html)


The G17T does have it’s own recoil spring assembly and part number.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Trecoilspring.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Trecoilspring.jpg.html)


The G17T barrel has a much longer feed ramp and is rifled.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Tbarrel.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Tbarrel.jpg.html)


The G17T firing pin tip is offset to the bottom.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Tfiringpin.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Tfiringpin.jpg.html)


The G17T has a unique locking block.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Tlockingblock1.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Tlockingblock1.jpg.html)


Here is the locking block, removed from the frame.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Tlockingblock2.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Tlockingblock2.jpg.html)


Aside from these noted differences, most other parts are the same as most other models.

GSD17
06-05-2013, 23:28
Next are the “P” models. The most common is the G22P. The G22P is of course chambered in .40 S&W. I do know that there are other “P” models, though the G22P is what is most common. The “P” models are basically dummies used for training safely. With a few parts changes, they can be fired.


The “P” models are considered real firearms, thus, all federal, state and local laws apply. They are legal to own (depending on your jurisdiction), but are available from GLOCK to LE only. They do pop up for sale from time to time in various places.


This is the G22P. Obviously, you can see that the “P” models are red.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G22Pexterior1.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G22Pexterior1.jpg.html)


This is the left side of the slide, denoting that it is a G22P and is chambered in .40.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G22Plabel1.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G22Plabel1.jpg.html)


The G22P has a serial prefix of “PJ..” Only the “P” and “R” (explained later) have the “PJ” prefix.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G22Pserialprefix.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G22Pserialprefix.jpg.html)


This is the muzzle of the G22P, no…no tiny bullet pops out here. The barrel is mostly solid. I’ll explain below.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G22Pmuzzle.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G22Pmuzzle.jpg.html)


Though the barrel is solid on a G22P, it does have a chamber (for use with dummy rounds). In the event that you do load live ammunition (there are more fail safes, explained below) and it does happen to fire, this hole will help disperse the pressure, presumably.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G22Ptop.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G22Ptop.jpg.html)


Here is the side of the barrel. As you can see, it has holes. This is for weight reduction to make the firearm point and weigh like a real G22.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G22Pbarrel.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G22Pbarrel.jpg.html)

GSD17
06-05-2013, 23:28
The G22P uses a normal G22 magazine. It does normally come with a black magazine baseplate. I added the orange for distinction.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G22Pmagazine.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G22Pmagazine.jpg.html)


The G22P firing pin has no point.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G22Pfiringpin.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G22Pfiringpin.jpg.html)


The G22P breech face has no hole for the firing pin to protrude.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G22Pbreechface.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G22Pbreechface.jpg.html)


Other than this, most parts are the same as most other models.

GSD17
06-05-2013, 23:29
Next are the “R” models. The most common is the G17R. I don’t know if there are any other “R” models other than the G17R. The G17R is chambered in 9x19. This pistol is designed so that the trigger resets after each pull, without racking the slide. It can be used with a laser integrated system or for general dry fire practices and other dummy practices.


The “R” models are considered real firearms, thus, all federal, state and local laws apply. They are legal to own (depending on your jurisdiction), but are available from GLOCK to LE only. They do pop up for sale from time to time in various places.


This is the G17R. Obviously, you can see that the “R” models are red.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/DSC03360.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/DSC03360.jpg.html)


This is the left side of the slide, denoting that it is a G17R and is chambered in 9x19.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Rname1.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Rname1.jpg.html)


This is the right side of the slide with the warning that the firearm is a practice sample.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Rwarning1.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Rwarning1.jpg.html)


This is the G17R serial prefix of “PJ.” Only the “R” and “P” models will have a “PJ” prefix.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Rserialprefix.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Rserialprefix.jpg.html)


The G17R uses regular G17 magazines, though I added the orange base plate for identification.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Rmagazine.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Rmagazine.jpg.html)


The G17R has a regular, 9x19 rifled barrel.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/DSC03386.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/DSC03386.jpg.html)

GSD17
06-05-2013, 23:29
The G17R firing pin has no point.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/G17Rfiringpin2.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/G17Rfiringpin2.jpg.html)


The G17R firing pin (top) is much longer than a standard firing pin (bottom).


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/DSC03382.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/DSC03382.jpg.html)


The G17R breech face has no hole for the firing pin to protrude.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/DSC03384.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/DSC03384.jpg.html)


The G17R has a unique trigger spring.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/DSC03381.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/DSC03381.jpg.html)

GSD17
06-05-2013, 23:29
As for the last training model that GLOCK makes, we will discuss the “cutaway models.” The cutaways are available to armorers and LE, IIRC. The cutaways come in nearly every model, depending on GLOCK’s mood.


The cutaway models are considered real firearms, thus, all federal, state and local laws apply. They are legal to own (depending on your jurisdiction), but are available from GLOCK to LE and armorers only. They do pop up for sale from time to time in various places.


This is my very early cutaway G19. Someone foolishly decided to poorly polish it. I keep meaning to have it re-coated, but haven’t don’t it, yet. Though, what better model than a cutaway to prove the toughness of GLOCK’s metal treatment?


This is the G19 cutaway.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/Cutawayexterior2.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/Cutawayexterior2.jpg.html)


This is the left side of the slide, denoting that this model is a G19 and is chambered in 9x19.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/Cutawaylabel2.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/Cutawaylabel2.jpg.html)


This is the right side of the slide, warning you that the firearm is a cutaway sample.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/Cutawaywarning.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/Cutawaywarning.jpg.html)


Only the cutaway samples get a “JQ” serial prefix.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/Cutawayserialprefix.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/Cutawayserialprefix.jpg.html)


Here is a general pic of the left side of the gun.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/Cutawayslide.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/Cutawayslide.jpg.html)


This is the side of the frame, so that you can see the magazine, which is also cutaway.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/Cutawayleft.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/Cutawayleft.jpg.html)

GSD17
06-05-2013, 23:30
Leaving nothing to the imagination, GLOCK wants you to see how the magazine catch spring moves to the side.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/Cutawaygrip.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/Cutawaygrip.jpg.html)


Here is the side of the magazine, showing the magazine spring.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/Cutawaymagazineside.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/Cutawaymagazineside.jpg.html)


Other than the side, the magazine is the same as a normal magazine (though this one is earlier).


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/Cutawaymagazine.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/Cutawaymagazine.jpg.html)


Here is a top view of the cutaway internals of the frame.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/Cutawayframe.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/Cutawayframe.jpg.html)


The cutaway firing pins have no point.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/Cutawayfiringpin.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/Cutawayfiringpin.jpg.html)


Here is the barrel.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/Cutawaybarrel.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/Cutawaybarrel.jpg.html)

GSD17
06-05-2013, 23:30
And, just for fun . . .


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/KI4FKW/KittyMass.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/KI4FKW/media/KittyMass.jpg.html)


I hope this thread can become a reference point for the curious.

Made in Austria
06-05-2013, 23:39
Very interesting. Thanks for posting this!

skyboss_4evr
06-05-2013, 23:41
Way cool!!

K1tt3n5
06-06-2013, 00:05
Awesome!

lyodbraun
06-06-2013, 11:57
Man that's an awesome collection, I'd love to have some of those models...

Catshooter
06-06-2013, 17:13
Interesting. I've never seen any of these models so this is very educational.


Cat

Joshhtn
06-06-2013, 17:23
Very cool!

SJ 40
06-06-2013, 17:29
Thanks for helping to educate us all,it's appreciated. SJ 40

nostalgiaguy
06-06-2013, 22:19
Great job . Nice collection.

Justin1911
06-07-2013, 05:17
Very cool. Had a chance to buy a 17T couple of years ago and wish I had done so now

GSD17
06-07-2013, 11:36
Very cool. Had a chance to buy a 17T couple of years ago and wish I had done so now

There was a pair of them on gunbroker a few days ago.

moonwilson
06-07-2013, 11:45
I'd love to have one of those "R" models for dry-fire practice. I wish Glock would make those available to the general public. Or some third party would make something similar.

GSD17
06-08-2013, 19:36
Very interesting. Thanks for posting this!

Your welcome.

INEEDMILK
06-08-2013, 22:26
Awesome post.

CSP
06-09-2013, 08:19
Nice posting. I have seen a single Glock G23P one time. I was not aware it was ever made but they are out there.

CSP

HKLovingIT
06-09-2013, 08:51
Thank you that was very interesting.

wolf19r
06-09-2013, 09:15
Thanks for the info and pics!

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GSD17
06-09-2013, 10:41
Nice posting. I have seen a single Glock G23P one time. I was not aware it was ever made but they are out there.

CSP

Yeah, there are a few different P models. I know there was a G19T, also. I don't know about R models. I think I have ever seen or heard of anything but a G17R.

duke77togo
06-09-2013, 11:44
Excellent post! Thanks for taking the time to put it together.

GSD17
06-09-2013, 18:41
Excellent post! Thanks for taking the time to put it together.

No problem. I enjoyed it.

MikeG36
06-10-2013, 00:39
Outstanding Post! Thank you!!

Cleburne
06-10-2013, 06:04
Nice pics.

JAS104
06-10-2013, 06:24
Thanks a lot for posting, that's awesome. The cutaway model was especially interesting.


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GSD17
06-10-2013, 22:38
Nice pics.

Are you from Cleburne County, AL by chance?

Trapped_in_Kali
06-10-2013, 23:56
Interesting. Could you put a regular top end on any of those and fire them?

GSD17
06-11-2013, 23:22
Interesting. Could you put a regular top end on any of those and fire them?

Yes!

G17T - no, it has a unique locking block that won't work with a G17 upper. - - - - that said, the G17T fires 9mmFX, which is a centerfire round, so technically, it already fires.

G17R - yes, change out the trigger spring (possibly would not have to do that, even. You could even use the G17R barrel in a G17 upper.

G22P - yes, change just the upper.

cutaways - I'd say yes, but it wouldn't be recommended. The frame surely has to be weaker from the cutouts and some of the frame rails are also cut.

catalyst686
06-12-2013, 22:25
Very interesting, thanks!

Nagoya10
06-13-2013, 07:12
About 4 or 5 years ago I did active shooter training using a Glock 17 type weapon, I believe it was made of plastic but I cant remember for sure. It shot airsoft, those little white BB looking things. They would actually sting when hit with them. Is that a Glock or is it another manufacturer? I only got to handle the pistol when going through the shooting part of the training so never got to look at the markings on it.

It was also the only time I ever put a pistol back in the holster with my finger still on the trigger, firing off one of those BB's. I learned a valuable lesson that day, in addition to the active shooter training.

GSD17
06-13-2013, 19:22
About 4 or 5 years ago I did active shooter training using a Glock 17 type weapon, I believe it was made of plastic but I cant remember for sure. It shot airsoft, those little white BB looking things. They would actually sting when hit with them. Is that a Glock or is it another manufacturer? I only got to handle the pistol when going through the shooting part of the training so never got to look at the markings on it.

It was also the only time I ever put a pistol back in the holster with my finger still on the trigger, firing off one of those BB's. I learned a valuable lesson that day, in addition to the active shooter training.

Nope, not a GLOCK. There are several training types of pistols / as well as toys / that are modeled after GLOCKs.

However, the T, R, P and cutaways listed above are ALL of the training models that GLOCK makes.

GSD17
06-21-2013, 18:16
:bump:

u n v kenny
06-21-2013, 23:22
No G18, 29, 30, 34, 36? Horrible collection.



JK!




Thanks for the reference!

GSD17
06-23-2013, 11:59
G18 - damn NFA.
G29 - want one
G30 - want one
G34- looked for one - they were all dried up around here
G36 - want one

GSD17
07-20-2013, 13:14
Shameless bump :bump: :embarassed:

Sigobsessed
07-20-2013, 15:24
Very informative post very cool guns thank you very much

clarkz71
07-20-2013, 15:54
Sweet trainers.

GThirtyTwo
07-20-2013, 18:13
Wow, very detailed thread.

Glock 1
08-18-2013, 11:19
Nice collection. Free bump. I am looking for one of each now. I can buy the cutaways from my distributor but the trainers elude me.

DannyR
08-18-2013, 11:59
Thanks. That was great!

GSD17
08-18-2013, 12:35
Nice collection. Free bump. I am looking for one of each now. I can buy the cutaways from my distributor but the trainers elude me.

They are rather hard to get a hold of. Even as a LEO, it took a while to get them from GLOCK themselves. Some folks only want to sell them to a LEA, while others will sell them to a LEO.

GSD17
08-18-2013, 12:35
Thanks. That was great!

I figured that after all my years here, I should do something constructive, lol.

I think this would be a good sticky for the valuable info forum.

Ron36105
08-18-2013, 20:24
Thank you for taking the time to share your photos and knowledge with us. It is very cool of you.

MarcDW
08-19-2013, 06:40
Excellent post! Thanks for taking the time to put it together.

I want to 2nd this.
Thanks for the great work. I didn't know of the R models.

It's interesting that Glock against their traditional policy of selling anything what legally can be sold to individuals is not followed with these models. To make just a small number of these can't be cost effective.
It would be a good training tool as well for civilians and therefore one more good tool to sell Glock vs. M&P or XD!

GSD17
08-19-2013, 18:25
I want to 2nd this.
Thanks for the great work. I didn't know of the R models.

It's interesting that Glock against their traditional policy of selling anything what legally can be sold to individuals is not followed with these models. To make just a small number of these can't be cost effective.
It would be a good training tool as well for civilians and therefore one more good tool to sell Glock vs. M&P or XD!

Yeah, the R model was my last addition. I'd say arguably the hardest one to get - not that it is "rare" in the sense of the word, but that few LE agencies buy them and even fewer ever sell them when they do buy them.

The T models are probably the most seen and know, I'd say followed by the cutaways, Ps and then Rs.

Butch
08-19-2013, 18:47
Training gun ammo..... :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Glock%20Pics%20II/DSC01703-55_zps4b4160ce.jpg

The G22P Has dummy rounds with it, the black nosed rounds with the G17T are 'practice' rounds (yes they make holes, they are NOT for shooting at each other), and the other are paint rounds.

GSD17
08-19-2013, 21:14
Training gun ammo..... :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Glock%20Pics%20II/DSC01703-55_zps4b4160ce.jpg

The G22P Has dummy rounds with it, the black nosed rounds with the G17T are 'practice' rounds (yes they make holes, they are NOT for shooting at each other), and the other are paint rounds.

Butch, how long did they make the red floor plates for the P and R models?

I never knew they existed until GLOCK pictured them in the latest Armorer's Manual.

They don't list them for sale on the armorer's order form. My G17R is brand new and came with black, as did my G22P.

I can't seem to find one anywhere, even pics - other than yours.

I'd like to have two - one for each of my guns.

ale
09-26-2013, 20:42
Pic I found online from a Belgium site of a 19P
235883

ale
09-26-2013, 20:45
Here is a Gen4 19T with polymer inserts in the slide.

235884

06ptcruiser
11-02-2013, 13:21
Anybody know where I can find 7.8X21RR cartridges for a airmunitions training barrel?

plumbum2
11-16-2013, 08:29
op, would be sweet to put a regular top end on the red and blue frames . especially at the range or one of your cop functions... lol. it would be the white elephant in the room...

Butch
11-16-2013, 10:31
Butch, how long did they make the red floor plates for the P and R models?

I never knew they existed until GLOCK pictured them in the latest Armorer's Manual.

They don't list them for sale on the armorer's order form. My G17R is brand new and came with black, as did my G22P.

I can't seem to find one anywhere, even pics - other than yours.

I'd like to have two - one for each of my guns.
Fraid I have no idea......a fellow GlockTalker had this one, and we made a trade. :) I'd never seen one either.

gunnyee12
02-02-2014, 23:58
Great post GSD17. Do you know if the trainers only came in a gen3.5 frame?

Butch
02-03-2014, 00:10
Great post GSD17. Do you know if the trainers only came in a gen3.5 frame?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Glock%20pics/BlueGun-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Glock%20pics/REDGUN2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Glock%20pics/DSC09847.jpg

gunnyee12
02-03-2014, 00:24
Thanks Butch, so now i have any other question. There is a guy on another forum that claims he has a gen2 red gun, but it is LIVE fire. The ser# starts "GD" all matching which does not fall into the trainer #'s. From the pictures he's sent me, the frame does not appear to be painted and actually looks factory. Im trying to figure out if this can be or not for this guy. The gun was also painted a camo color when he got it, and he used a paint stripper to get it off and found the gun to be red. None of the red came off with the stripper.

CourtCop
02-03-2014, 00:34
Would the trigger spring from the R model work in a fully functional Glock for dry fire practice?

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Butch
02-03-2014, 06:58
Thanks Butch, so now i have any other question. There is a guy on another forum that claims he has a gen2 red gun, but it is LIVE fire. The ser# starts "GD" all matching which does not fall into the trainer #'s. From the pictures he's sent me, the frame does not appear to be painted and actually looks factory. Im trying to figure out if this can be or not for this guy. The gun was also painted a camo color when he got it, and he used a paint stripper to get it off and found the gun to be red. None of the red came off with the stripper.
I wish I had recorded the serial numbers of the two Gen2 trainers when I photographed them many years ago, that would have maybe helped with this question.


BUT, the red frames are fully functional and a live upper could be used instead of the training upper. The first thing I would check if I could would be to see if the serial numbers on the slide, barrel and frame all match. I highly doubt that Glock would put out a firing red gun.

gunnyee12
02-03-2014, 07:33
BUT, the red frames are fully functional and a live upper could be used instead of the training upper. The first thing I would check if I could would be to see if the serial numbers on the slide, barrel and frame all match. I highly doubt that Glock would put out a firing red gun.

Thats what i thought too. Serial #'s are all matching, frame, barrel, and slide, except the one on the frame has "US" at the end of it. The Ser# starts with the letters "GD" and not "PJ" as mentioned at the beginning of this thread, or was this for Gen3's only?

GSD17
02-04-2014, 19:57
I am betting that the pistol is painted in some form or fashion.

Glock seems to have been pretty consistent in the prefixes assigned to training models and none other.

GSD17
02-04-2014, 19:58
Would the trigger spring from the R model work in a fully functional Glock for dry fire practice?

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Yes, it would - however - I'm not sure how it would function because the R model has a very long firing pin which affects the trigger reset.

Butch
02-04-2014, 21:03
Thats what i thought too. Serial #'s are all matching, frame, barrel, and slide, except the one on the frame has "US" at the end of it. The Ser# starts with the letters "GD" and not "PJ" as mentioned at the beginning of this thread, or was this for Gen3's only?
I am betting that the pistol is painted in some form or fashion.

Glock seems to have been pretty consistent in the prefixes assigned to training models and none other.
I agree. I would certainly detail strip the gun and examine the insides of the frame thoroughly for spots showing black polymer. I would even go so far as to scrape a spot inside to see if the red scrapes off.

I'd be right amazed if Glock made red guns with serial numbers within the same range of live guns, but can I say they didn't for a fact? No.

You could try calling Glock with the serial number and see what they say about it....

gunnyee12
02-05-2014, 00:11
I'll see if i can get permission to post his pictures, but from what i see it looks to be factory. I'll also see if he's willing to make a little scrape on the inside to see if the red comes off. We've tried to contact glock but all they've given us is that it was imported and the manufacturing date.

gunnyee12
02-05-2014, 22:18
Here are some pics of the Gun in question. If you follow the URL to photobucket you can zoom in on them there.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af273/docthompson/DSC00017_zps748584cb.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/docthompson/media/DSC00017_zps748584cb.jpg.html)

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af273/docthompson/DSC00016_zps16387c46.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/docthompson/media/DSC00016_zps16387c46.jpg.html)

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af273/docthompson/DSC00014_zps29cc518d.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/docthompson/media/DSC00014_zps29cc518d.jpg.html)

GSD17
02-05-2014, 22:42
The frame does seem to be a legit red frame from the pics.

However - without being able to see the serial number, it could be a training frame with a regular G17 upper.

The guy obviously fancies customization, judging by the custom coated slide.

gunnyee12
02-05-2014, 23:22
Both the barrel and slide are serial marked GD017, and the frame is serial marked GD017 US

gunnyee12
02-05-2014, 23:24
The frame does seem to be a legit red frame from the pics.

However - without being able to see the serial number, it could be a training frame with a regular G17 upper.

The guy obviously fancies customization, judging by the custom coated slide.



According the current owner, the previous owner had the whole gun painted in camo. When he used a paint stripper to take it off what you see is what he was left with.

Butch
02-05-2014, 23:32
You and the gun are in Canada? I wonder if that might make a difference.....the frame sure looks original, but it's still hard to imagine that they'd make, let alone sell to the public, a live red gun.

I too would like to see close up pics of all three full serial numbers. I'm expecting to attend an advanced armorer class again soon, and would like to take the pics along to show. If you don't want them posted here, my email is butchg17(at)hotmail.com

gunnyee12
02-05-2014, 23:44
You and the gun are in Canada? I wonder if that might make a difference.....the frame sure looks original, but it's still hard to imagine that they'd make, let alone sell to the public, a live red gun.

I too would like to see close up pics of all three full serial numbers. I'm expecting to attend an advanced armorer class again soon, and would like to take the pics along to show. If you don't want them posted here, my email is butchg17(at)hotmail.com

Yes that is correct we are in Canada, but i believe the gun was imported from the US. If you use the URL to the pics you can zoom in on them in photobucket. In the full gun pic you can sort of make out "17 US" on the frame, then in the stripped pic you can clearly see the ser# on the barrel. Either way I will post pics of all 3 ser#'s together when i get them.

GSD17
02-06-2014, 09:00
I'm with Butch - I'm not saying that it isn't what the guy is saying that it is - I'm just saying that would be EXTREMELY odd for Glock to do that and there HAS to be a story behind it.

According to the serial number research project - the "GD" we have listed is a 2nd Gen G17 from June 1989. It would be an earlier 2nd Gen.

I wish Glock would give you more info, because something is unique here if it all lines up to be true.

4Rules
07-04-2014, 14:18
It's interesting that Glock against their traditional policy of selling anything what legally can be sold to individuals is not followed with these models. To make just a small number of these can't be cost effective.
It would be a good training tool as well for civilians and therefore one more good tool to sell Glock vs. M&P or XD!

Pat Sweeney argued that the Trainer models were not importable for a lack of import points, and the Practice and Reset Glocks rely on their red frame color to distinguish them from live firearms. Were the Practice and Reset Glocks to be more widely available, I think that some (just-to-be-different) hipster sport shooters would be quick to build a live Glock on a red Glock frame thus muddying the visual-appearance waters to the extent that that the red Glock frame could come to lose it's very meaning. With that in mind, I understand and appreciate Glock's position.

MarcDW
07-04-2014, 14:29
Specially with todays paints, it takes little to color any gun any color.
Beside, Sweeney is one reason I don't buy/read G&A anymore!

D1N0
07-04-2014, 23:05
Anybody own or know where I can buy a G21 cutaway magazine??