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uzimon
04-22-2014, 21:10
loaded a few 230gr plated xtreme with 6.2
accuracy was terrible compared to my 4756 loads and even longshot loads.
Nowhere near poa.
Should I back off a bit or try a lighter bullet?
Would this work better for 9mm?
gun was glock 21
thanks

Colorado4Wheel
04-22-2014, 21:16
Impossible. Unique is awesome.

uzimon
04-22-2014, 21:23
It might be me. Gotta use my middle finger as my trigger finger was mangled. And i didnt try that many rounds

Beanie-Bean
04-22-2014, 21:27
I run 6.0 gr. of Unique over 230 gr. FMJ or plated, and accuracy is good here. That load is also shot through my .45ACP pistols, including a G21, without any problems.

I've used this with WLP and CCI LPP primers, too.

What is the COL you're using for your loads?

uzimon
04-22-2014, 21:32
I run 6.0 gr. of Unique over 230 gr. FMJ or plated, and accuracy is good here. That load is also shot through my .45ACP pistols, including a G21, without any problems.

I've used this with WLP and CCI LPP primers, too.

What is the COL you're using for your loads?

I just set my calipers on a 230 factory rd.and make them that length

Kentguy
04-22-2014, 21:41
Out of my G21 (Gen 3)
I run 230g FMJ (Precision Delta) over 6.2g of Unique with OAL of 1.260"
Velocity clocks in at 847.4 fps
Tested from 15, 25 and 35 yards, accuracy was very good from both a seated gun rest position and a standing free hand position.

uzimon
04-22-2014, 21:46
maybe im a little hot. The plated are supposed to be loaded less than fmj but can be a little hotter than lead

Colorado4Wheel
04-22-2014, 22:08
It might be me. Gotta use my middle finger as my trigger finger was mangled. And i didnt try that many rounds

I was joking, But it's interesting that you really did not get the test the way you normally would test. I would not really put much stock in the accuracy testing you did.

arkdweller22
04-23-2014, 00:05
maybe im a little hot. The plated are supposed to be loaded less than fmj but can be a little hotter than lead

It is a bit hot...
I load the same bullet with 5.6 grains of Unique and it serves well as a plinking round. Not a tack driver, but satisfactory.



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newgene
04-23-2014, 03:02
Out of my G21 (Gen 3)
I run 230g FMJ (Precision Delta) over 6.2g of Unique with OAL of 1.260"
Velocity clocks in at 847.4 fps
Tested from 15, 25 and 35 yards, accuracy was very good from both a seated gun rest position and a standing free hand position.

I'm the same OAL with a PD bullet, but I only use 5.9 gr of Unique. Some may drift as high as 6.2, but the range is between 5.7 and 6.0 for most of the rounds. At least, that's what my scale reads. I test the scale with the calibration weight before each use, but the average of two loads is always different than weighing each load separately.

leeward419
04-23-2014, 03:59
I use 6.2 with 230 LRN, shoots to point of aim at 20 yards, accuracy is great.
Started with much lighter loads, accuracy and clean burning improved. I find that usually starts around 95% of max book loads.

uzimon
04-23-2014, 05:03
Yeah lead is usually really accurate.
Im Stockpiling jacketed/loading for volume

F106 Fan
04-23-2014, 07:43
The limitation on plated bullets is usually related to velocity. The manufacturers want to keep the velocity below 1200 fps (or some similar number). There is no possibility of loading a .45 ACP beyond those limits.

I use 6.2 gr of Unique with a 230 gr PD FMJ at 1.250" to try to replicate hardball for my G36. The G36 doesn't like wimpy loads (or shooters). I don't find it to be a comfortable load to shoot in a smaller polymer gun.

Richard

fredj338
04-23-2014, 12:16
With a plated bullet, a bit warm IMO, with fmj, pretty much ball equiv. Sub 2" groups @ 25yds in several of my guns.

F106 Fan
04-23-2014, 12:51
With a plated bullet, a bit warm IMO, with fmj, pretty much ball equiv. Sub 2" groups @ 25yds in several of my guns.

I haven't tried the load with a plated bullet but, since I bought a few thousand X-Treme's, I guess I'll have to work up something.

It's really just the G36 extraction issue: I wouldn't even bother with such a stiff load were I loading for my 1911s or my P220. Those guns work fine with more modest loads. Even my G21SF works with the modest loads.

Next time I load FMJ for the G36, I'm going to try just a little deeper taper crimp. It 'seems' as though the extracting case collides with the incoming case right at the leading edge and gets yanked off the extractor. It was all built with new Starline cases and the casemouth is pretty sharp.

Hm... Still working on it...

Richard

Kentguy
04-23-2014, 14:35
newgene "...I test the scale with the calibration weight before each use, but the average of two loads is always different than weighing each load separately."

That is a good practice to have. I have a RCBS 10-10 balance beam scale, it most always calibrates spot on but I always check it anyway.

My LEE powder dispensers "usually" dispense correctly but they do (depending upon powder, humidity, other things you know...) drift from time to time.

Keeps you on your toes anyway.

uzimon
04-24-2014, 17:46
Scored a pound of bullseye for $25:cool:
5 grains with the 230 plated I should get well over a thousand loads right?

fredj338
04-24-2014, 18:31
Scored a pound of bullseye for $25:cool:
5 grains with the 230 plated I should get well over a thousand loads right?

7000gr in a pound. Powder is the cheapest part of any handgun load, so don't get all worried about how many loads you get from a #. At the same cost/#, 5gr vs 6gr, your powder cost is 0.018c vs 0.02c each. For me, I buy powder I like to reload & shoot, economy isn't really a factor. Your primer is 3c+, your bullet is 8-16c per, so cutting cost on the bullet is where your savings comes.:dunno:

uzimon
04-24-2014, 18:37
7000gr in a pound. Powder is the cheapest part of any handgun load, so don't get all worried about how many loads you get from a #. At the same cost/#, 5gr vs 6gr, your powder cost is 0.018c vs 0.02c each. For me, I buy powder I like to reload & shoot, economy isn't really a factor. Your primer is 3c+, your bullet is 8-16c per, so cutting cost on the bullet is where your savings comes.:dunno:

Wow! 1400 rounds from a pound:supergrin:
And I dont know of any cheaper than $60/500 shipped
http://www.XtremeBullets.com/45-230-RN-p/xc45-230rn-b0500.htm

fredj338
04-24-2014, 21:37
Wow! 1400 rounds from a pound:supergrin:
And I dont know of any cheaper than $60/500 shipped
http://www.XtremeBullets.com/45-230-RN-p/xc45-230rn-b0500.htm
Look at lead bullets, much cheaper. It's all I run in my revolvers & most of my semis.

uzimon
04-25-2014, 01:01
Look at lead bullets, much cheaper. It's all I run in my revolvers & most of my semis.

The speer lswc I tried left lead in my glock, and was the same cost as the xtremes

F106 Fan
04-25-2014, 06:48
Check out S&S Casting for lead bullets. I prefer the 200 gr LSWC but the 230 gr LRN works as well.

http://www.snscasting.com/45-acp-200-gr-swc-45_200swc/

Cost for the 200 gr LSWC is $85/1000 and 2000 bullets will ship for $15 although the Post Office may decide that you have to come down and get them. My last shipment was 105# and my carrier wasn't about to manhandle the boxes.

Bear Creek moly coated bullets also work very well at a similar price.

I haven't tried the S&S coated bullets.

Richard

uzimon
04-25-2014, 08:02
^^those do look really nice, thanks

WeeWilly
04-25-2014, 08:59
I have tried the SNS coated, I like them a lot.

The lead might not be left behind, but you do get some burned paint left behind, so a light bore brushing with some CLP (substitute your favorite solvent here) is called for to get the barrel perfectly clean. In addition, the bullets do cause a distinctive burnt paint smell, which of course is probably totally carcinogenic or have some other long term health side effect, like living on earth.

uzimon
04-25-2014, 09:55
I have tried the SNS coated, I like them a lot.

The lead might not be left behind, but you do get some burned paint left behind, so a light bore brushing with some CLP (substitute your favorite solvent here) is called for to get the barrel perfectly clean. In addition, the bullets do cause a distinctive burnt paint smell, which of course is probably totally carcinogenic or have some other long term health side effect, like living on earth.

Might be best for outdoor range then

F106 Fan
04-25-2014, 10:10
Might be best for outdoor range then

I would think that plated bullets would be better for indoor ranges; there is no exposed lead.

I don't shoot indoors so the plain lead bullet is not much of a consideration.

Richard

WeeWilly
04-25-2014, 11:08
Might be best for outdoor range then

Well, honestly, the lead styphnate you are getting from your primers is a much bigger issue than the lead you get from exposed lead bullets, burned paint, etc.

Primers are full of really bad stuff, lead, beryllium, etc., the only solution is Winclean, etc. Of course, unless you are shooting at a private range where such ammo is all that is shot, again, you are kind of drinking the other guy's milkshake. And then, really, the so-called green primers probably just have different bad stuff, hard to imagine things that go bang from friction not having very bad things in them.

I think maybe the only truly safe hobby might be stamp collecting, but then, you always have that ink and adhesive issue, who really knows what is going into that stuff? :faint: