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ancy
05-01-2014, 14:50
What loads are you using?

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robhic
05-01-2014, 16:44
PMC 95gr and some other (can't remember brand) but similar I got online bulk from "Target Sports" for around $90 for 500.

ancy
05-01-2014, 17:30
With the limited powders around I'm looking reloading data.

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Tiro Fijo
05-01-2014, 17:39
There is a Reloading Forum on GT. You'll find answers there:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26

ancy
05-01-2014, 17:44
Can some one move this over there??
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dkf
05-01-2014, 18:45
Was running 4.0gr Power Pistol, 100gr Berrys HBRN at .975 COAL in my LCP. COAL was too long as I had several failures.

ancy
05-02-2014, 07:27
Looks like all I have for powder that will work is 800x :confused:

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ancy
05-09-2014, 08:22
Loaded up a hand full with 4.0 grains of 800x...the best powder I have right now for 380.

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rg1
05-09-2014, 14:00
I highly recommend Accurate Arms load data using Accurate Arms #2 powder. They list data for the 100 gr. Berry bullet.

JP22
05-09-2014, 14:10
Per Hodgdon:


With a 100 gr Hornady FMJ, 4.0 gr of 800x is a max load. I know they say to load between lead and jacketed bullets for Berrys. I would drop down a little on the powder.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

ancy
05-09-2014, 19:27
4.0 grains of 800x is a no go.

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freakshow10mm
05-09-2014, 19:45
3.2gr W231 .980" OAL

ancy
05-09-2014, 21:41
No 231 or #2 around here but I can buy loaded Remington for $16 a box so that's the way I'll roll!

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.45MoonClip
05-10-2014, 16:10
My previous .380 load which functioned in my PPK/S, Ruger LCP and my Sig 238 was 2.4 grains of Bullseye with a 100 grain Berry's plated bullet.
I found a deal on some generic 100 grain fmj bullets (I think they are made by Armscor) and they would not function in my new Glock 42 with that powder charge.
I increased the powder charge to 3.0 grains of Bullseye and they seemed to run just fine.
YMMV.

wlkjr
05-10-2014, 20:10
3.0-3.1 Bullseye or 3.0 Titegroup at .966 oal for G42. Less powder works for LCP. Berry 100gr rnhb

Taxi Man
05-13-2014, 14:25
Loaded up a hand full with 4.0 grains of 800x...the best powder I have right now for 380.

Sent from my XT881That 4.0 is the max. recommended load from Hodgdon. Start load you should back off 10%, I'm certain that is stated in text prior to actual load table.

ancy
05-14-2014, 05:49
It is and I've been loading for a few years. 10% under an it wouldn't cycle the slide and a few hang ups at max...do I dare go above max??

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sourdough44
05-16-2014, 01:04
I use Win 231 with that bullet, don't have my charge data here, a bit North of 3 grains though. The Speer manual has higher charge weights than most other sources.

My loads shoot & cycle just fine in my P238 and LCP.

njl
05-26-2014, 14:26
I just tried out my first .380 loads in my new G42. I've got Xtreme 100gr RNFP bullets and Universal seemed to be the most appropriate powder I've got. I loaded to 0.935" with charges of 3.0, 3.2, 3.3, and 3.4gr. According to Hodgdon's online data, that's starting to max.

The book is still out in the car, but 3gr wouldn't cycle the slide. Even with the 3.2-3.4 batches, I'd get occasional cycling issues and unburned powder. I think I'm either going to have to go beyond max with Universal or give WST or Clays a try...neither of which has data from Hodgdon :( Both have at least anecdotal data out on the net.

Colorado4Wheel
05-26-2014, 14:38
I don't understand why the type of gun would make a difference in regard to unburned powder? This entire G42 thing puzzles me.

dkf
05-26-2014, 15:33
The G42 sounds like an ammo finicky little turd to me. So many other .380s don't have the problems the G42 has been having. I WAS going to buy a G42. I guess on the bright side, the G42 is doing far better than the new Remington R51.

That said I would not hesistate to go a little over book max in a G42 to try. Some of the so called "+P" .380 is over SAAMI specified max for .380.

njl
05-26-2014, 15:54
I don't understand why the type of gun would make a difference in regard to unburned powder? This entire G42 thing puzzles me.

G42 is irrelevant to my post other than that it's my first/only .380. The issue, and I should have expected this, is that Universal does not burn well at low pressure. .380 is a low pressure cartridge, and it shouldn't have surprised me that it really doesn't work well. I need to either get the pressure up to get Universal to burn completely or move to a faster powder that burns well at lower pressure...but given the current powder availability, what I currently have for pistol powders (Clays, WST, Universal, little bit of Longshot) are all I really have to choose from.

Colorado4Wheel
05-26-2014, 15:59
I have used Power Pistol in .380 with out an issue. Also Solo1000. Two completely different powders. PP just seemed to work the gun great. Interesting about Universal. I have seen major unburned powder in light .38 loads with same powder. It was so bad it locked up the gun. I forgot about that.

wlkjr
05-26-2014, 17:32
I have used Power Pistol in .380 with out an issue. Also Solo1000. Two completely different powders. PP just seemed to work the gun great. Interesting about Universal. I have seen major unburned powder in light .38 loads with same powder. It was so bad it locked up the gun. I forgot about that.
I've tried Power Pistol up to max load without success in my 42, but lower loads work fine in my Ruger LCP.
The only two powders I've got to work in the 42 are 3.1 grains of Bullseye and 3.0 grains of Titegroup both with a 100gr Berry HBRN bullet at about .966 OAL.

dkf
05-26-2014, 18:02
Like I said I would not hesitate to go a little over book in the G42 with power pistol. Makes me wonder if the G42 could use a week with the slide locked back to help break in the RSA.

Bullseye and Titegroup are fast burners so it most likely give a sharper impulse to push the slide back. I also am a user of PP in .380.

ChrisJn
05-26-2014, 18:36
I put this entry in the G42 thread thinking it was more appropriate but it may have some interest here:

Load short and hot
Some may consider this should be in the reloading section but both statements I am about to make, in my opinion, bear a direct correlation to the problems some people, including myself, have had with failure to feed and failure to eject in the G42.
In my case as previously reported both my early and more recent versions of the G42 have performed perfectly with a variety of factory ammunition. My personal problem came with my reloads which had previously worked perfectly in my Ruger LCP.
I have found, after much experimentation, that by increasing my powder load to near recommended maximum and shortening the OAL to .960 or less I now have a round that functions fine.(Add: Accurate #2 3.2gr, Berrys 100grFBRN,OAL.960).
It is interesting to note that the distance from the throat of the barrel to the chamber opening is .011" shorter in the G42 than the LCP. I would recommend the 'plunk' test with any brand of ammunition you are using to ensure the round is not sitting proud.

ancy
05-27-2014, 21:14
Found some Titegroup tonight or should I say someone gave me a 1/2 pound. Now to find flat base loads to try.

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njl
05-30-2014, 17:28
I'm real close to deciding to experiment with Clays or WST. I've found posts from people using these to load 380. I just hate the idea of using fast powders for which there's no published data, especially in a brand new gun. I wonder how over-engineered the G42 is?

ancy
06-04-2014, 05:45
3.0g Titegroup at .964" cross my fingers!

snowwdog
06-04-2014, 16:45
I just tried out my first .380 loads in my new G42. I've got Xtreme 100gr RNFP bullets and Universal seemed to be the most appropriate powder I've got. I loaded to 0.935" with charges of 3.0, 3.2, 3.3, and 3.4gr. According to Hodgdon's online data, that's starting to max.

The book is still out in the car, but 3gr wouldn't cycle the slide. Even with the 3.2-3.4 batches, I'd get occasional cycling issues and unburned powder. I think I'm either going to have to go beyond max with Universal or give WST or Clays a try...neither of which has data from Hodgdon :( Both have at least anecdotal data out on the net.

im using 3.5 grains of universal and the 100 grain berrys. Shoots great out of my mustang+2 and my gov. .380.

ancy
06-05-2014, 07:04
3.0g Titegroup at .964" cross my fingers!

Think I found my load this worked flawless.

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njl
06-09-2014, 21:24
I went ahead and experimented.

I tried 2.6gr Clays and 2.8gr, 2.9gr, and 3.0gr WST, all with Xtreme 100gr RNFP at 0.950".

2.6gr Clays 883.4fps, 883.7fps, then stopped because the brass worried me
2.8gr WST 788fps
2.9gr WST 808fps
3.0gr WST 809fps

I stopped the Clays testing after the first two shots because I was concerned by what I thought looked like a bulge mid way down the cases.

All the loads "worked" in that they fed and cycled my G42.

The WST loads left a little bit of incompletely burned powder in the cases...but not nearly as bad as the Universal Clays loads I tested first time out with the G42.

I just did some comparisons of the brass from the Clays load that I'd worried I'd bulged, some from the WST loads, and some of my collected (range pickup) brass that I haven't used yet. Most unsized range brass will pass through the calipers set to 0.377". A couple have similar bulges to my Clays load brass and are 0.381-0.382" at the bulge, which is usually somewhere around 0.260" off the case bottom. I don't know if those are factory once fired though, or someone else's reload that was pushing the envelope. I found a couple from the WST loads that had expanded similarly.

Based on these results though, and the fact that I have more Clays than WST, I think I will try again with Clays, reducing the charge a bit...perhaps 2.2gr and 2.4gr next time to see how those do. I'm afraid to push any further with WST, and the velocity was kind of low and with the powder left behind stuck to the inside of the case, I don't think reducing it below 2.8gr will work well.

I think this was the first time I actually wore gloves to test my own reloads...figuring if I KB'd the G42, I wanted at least some protection for my hands.