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ess45
05-02-2014, 08:44
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7037/14084047185_0cc0f3e265_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nsyqxK)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7421/14086705704_9db6c13b4f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nsN3Qh)

Did I mention free shipping. :supergrin:

Steel Head
05-02-2014, 10:37
Really good deal:wow:
I've been thinking of getting one.

unclebob
05-02-2014, 11:27
I have not looked into this press, but what is the story about it.:dunno:

F106 Fan
05-02-2014, 11:36
There is an interesting video taken at the SHOT Show on YouTube.

NEW RCBS Summit Reloading Press -- SHOT Show 2013 - YouTube

The fact that it doesn't overhang the front of the bench and block the top drawer is a significant feature.

Priming has to be done elsewhere. No big deal, I use one of the hand priming tools anyway when I load on my T7 turret press. I would do the same with the Summit.

Very good price!

Richard

PCJim
05-02-2014, 13:15
I'm sure it is a good press, although I'd still prefer an "O" framed single stage as there is much more strength in the design. You can't beat the price though for a new press.

ess45
05-02-2014, 14:02
I have not looked into this press, but what is the story about it.:dunno:

Here is another video of the press.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHoDgBdGYd4

When I got this press, there was a slight side to side play of the die plate (white colored part), but this was easily fix by tightening the 2 guide screws at the back of the die plate.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/1911pistol/005_zps82c72ccb.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/1911pistol/media/005_zps82c72ccb.jpg.html)

Primer disposal is a big plus.
Can be use like an arbor press with arbor die conversion kit.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/1911pistol/opplanet-rcbs-arbor-die-conversion-kit-for-summit-press_zps60d2e408.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/1911pistol/media/opplanet-rcbs-arbor-die-conversion-kit-for-summit-press_zps60d2e408.jpg.html)

Colorado4Wheel
05-02-2014, 16:27
My buddy broke his in less then a week.

unclebob
05-02-2014, 17:22
Plus you can get back $10.00 with the RCBS mail in rebate.

blastfact
05-02-2014, 17:34
Let us know how it works out for you.

dkf
05-02-2014, 18:44
My buddy broke his in less then a week.

If it was Zombie it don't count. He breaks everything.

ess45
05-02-2014, 20:25
I'm sure it is a good press, although I'd still prefer an "O" framed single stage as there is much more strength in the design. You can't beat the price though for a new press.

I agree that the O frame single stage is a better design.
This press is not meant to replace the Rock Chuker but as an option for those who doesn't want an overhung, those who wants an open front design (like the T7), those who wants the dies that moves up and down, you can look at this press as a single stage version of the 1050. :supergrin:
If I were to choose between the Summit and Rock Chuker II, I would still choose the Rock Chuker II despite it's primer disposal problem.
I don't really need another single stage press (I have 2), the deal is just hard to pass. :supergrin:


My buddy broke his in less then a week.

What part of the press broke? Very interested to know.

Steel Head
05-02-2014, 20:43
I agree that the O frame single stage is a better design.
This press is not meant to replace the Rock Chuker but as an option for those who doesn't want an overhung, those who wants an open front design (like the T7), those who wants the dies that moves up and down, you can look at this press as a single stage version of the 1050. :supergrin:
If I were to choose between the Summit and Rock Chuker II, I would still choose the Rock Chuker II despite it's primer disposal problem.
I don't really need another single stage press (I have 2), the deal is just hard to pass. :supergrin:


What part of the press broke? Very interested to know.
Please post a follow up after you use it a bit, I'm looking for a compact SS to replace my lee hand press for 223/5.56 rounds and maybe a 308 based round in the near future.

ess45
05-02-2014, 20:59
Please post a follow up after you use it a bit, I'm looking for a compact SS to replace my lee hand press for 223/5.56 rounds and maybe a 308 based round in the near future.

Will do, but give me some time. I have yet to mount this press.

PCJim
05-02-2014, 21:51
Come to think of it though, it may have a useful purpose in being a somewhat portable press. Using "C" clamps, it may be more suitable than a standard "O" frame for taking it to the range for some reloads "on the fly" so to speak.

Regardless, will be interesting to get your feedback.

Colorado4Wheel
05-03-2014, 07:42
What part of the press broke? Very interested to know.

Apparently he broke the handle to press junction. Some sort of insert in that area. I would be curious to see a more detailed picture of that area.

ess45
05-03-2014, 07:47
Come to think of it though, it may have a useful purpose in being a somewhat portable press. Using "C" clamps, it may be more suitable than a standard "O" frame for taking it to the range for some reloads "on the fly" so to speak.

Regardless, will be interesting to get your feedback.

Another video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i9phIfc0SE

F106 Fan
05-03-2014, 08:08
Please post a follow up after you use it a bit, I'm looking for a compact SS to replace my lee hand press for 223/5.56 rounds and maybe a 308 based round in the near future.

I can't imagine loading either of those rounds in any quantity on a SS press. Nevertheless, you might want to look at the Redding T7 Turret Press. It is a SS press that just happens to hold 7 dies on the turret. I suspect the toolhead could be arranged to hold the dies for both calibers along with a powder measure.

Early on, I bought a Ponsness-Warren MetalMatic P200 turret press for loading .38 SPL and .45 ACP. It worked very well. But it was just too slow to keep up with competitive shooting.

Ponsness Warren Metalmatic P-200, an uncommon pistol reloading press - YouTube

Never underestimate the utility of having all the dies mounted to a toolhead and pre-adjusted.

Richard

ess45
05-03-2014, 08:14
Apparently he broke the handle to press junction. Some sort of insert in that area. I would be curious to see a more detailed picture of that area.

No insert in this area. Anyway, was it replaced by RCBS?

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/1911pistol/006_zps22099ca2.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/1911pistol/media/006_zps22099ca2.jpg.html)

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/1911pistol/005_zps6940f137.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/1911pistol/media/005_zps6940f137.jpg.html)

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/1911pistol/004_zpsc1683259.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/1911pistol/media/004_zpsc1683259.jpg.html)

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/1911pistol/003_zps638319d2.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/1911pistol/media/003_zps638319d2.jpg.html)

Colorado4Wheel
05-03-2014, 08:34
Interesting. Yes, they replaced it. I guess he broke that big piece it goes into.

ess45
05-03-2014, 08:39
To those who are interested in getting this press.

Something to consider in mounting the press.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/1911pistol/001_zpsbcb21c37.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/1911pistol/media/001_zpsbcb21c37.jpg.html)

A is 10.5 inches

B is 23.5 inches

Probably more comfortable to use this press in standing position.

WeeWilly
05-03-2014, 08:40
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https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7421/14086705704_9db6c13b4f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nsN3Qh)

Did I mention free shipping. :supergrin:

Fabulous deal.

I might pick one of these up, you can never have too many presses. :)

ess45
05-03-2014, 09:38
Fabulous deal.

I might pick one of these up, you can never have too many presses. :)

:supergrin:



The farthest you can mount the press from the edge of the bench before the handle touches the bench on down stroke is around 2.5 inches.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/1911pistol/007_zps9821c03d.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/1911pistol/media/007_zps9821c03d.jpg.html)

Wil Terry
05-03-2014, 09:47
I will stick with my forty dollar RCBS A2, thank you very much.

Steel Head
05-03-2014, 10:21
I can't imagine loading either of those rounds in any quantity on a SS press. Nevertheless, you might want to look at the Redding T7 Turret Press. It is a SS press that just happens to hold 7 dies on the turret. I suspect the toolhead could be arranged to hold the dies for both calibers along with a powder measure.

Early on, I bought a Ponsness-Warren MetalMatic P200 turret press for loading .38 SPL and .45 ACP. It worked very well. But it was just too slow to keep up with competitive shooting.

Ponsness Warren Metalmatic P-200, an uncommon pistol reloading press - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJWWxWzm0Rc)

Never underestimate the utility of having all the dies mounted to a toolhead and pre-adjusted.

Richard

I'm perfectly happy with my lee classic turret and have turrets for 40,45 and 223.

I just want a compact, quality SS press for rifle rounds, I enjoy loading on a SS at times:dunno:
I'm also looking at a Harrell press.

F106 Fan
05-03-2014, 11:33
I'm perfectly happy with my lee classic turret and have turrets for 40,45 and 223.

I just want a compact, quality SS press for rifle rounds, I enjoy loading on a SS at times:dunno:
I'm also looking at a Harrell press.

I load my precision rifle on the T7 which is a recent upgrade over an RCBS RS. As long as the batches are on the order of 50 rounds, no big deal. I wouldn't even consider loading thousands of rounds of .223 on any kind of SS.

Richard

ess45
05-04-2014, 09:12
Initial impression.

Very solid and seem to work well but no better than my other single stage press. The strongest point I think is the spent primer disposal.
The foot print is small but a very tall press (handle included).
The ergonomic is not for me. I'm use to and prefer working sitting. Using my tallest stool, the handle is still above my shoulder and have to lean forward to reach the ball handle and have to lean back a little during down stroke. I think this press is meant for those who like to reload standing.
Thinking of modifying to stop the handle at this angle (red line) to shorten the reach.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/1911pistol/001ab_zpsadcec0ef.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/1911pistol/media/001ab_zpsadcec0ef.jpg.html)

Will also try the short handle (currently out of stock). RCBS recommends the short handle for bullet seating. Don't know if it has enough leverage to resize 5.56/223 brass.

Was I disappointed? No, considering that I got a good deal, but would probably be if I paid full MSRP. :supergrin:

Like F106 Fan, my primary rifle press is a Redding T7.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00216.jpg (http://s235.photobucket.com/user/ess45/media/DSC00216.jpg.html)

The Summit will be my primary depriming press replacing the Lee Challenger (when using the SS pin wet cleaning).

The Rock Chucker II will remain as my primary back up single stage press.

F106 Fan
05-04-2014, 09:31
I have never been comfortable when sitting during reloading. The range of motions plus the lack of leverage (body weight) makes the process seem more difficult.

I plan to buy a couple of those rubber shop mats to cover the concrete floor in my garage. I'm hoping that will make standing for hours at a time a little more comfortable.

In any event, I stand while reloading. To that end, I mounted my T7 on a couple of the tall Dillon strong mounts. They get the press high enough that I don't run out of arm motion before the handle is all the way down. Given a 38" high bench, they are the perfect height (for me).

Richard

WiskyT
05-04-2014, 13:38
I wouldn't put any grease in that zerk fitting. You'll have grease coming out of the thing forever. A thin film applied with a finger tip should last a lifetime. The zerk looks like a gimmick to me. It's not like the thing is a hydraulic ram on a D11, there should be little to no side loading on the bearing surface to require any lubrication at all.

Colorado4Wheel
05-04-2014, 14:39
I made the mistake of putting grease in the Zerks on my LnL. Holy Crap. It made the press feel like it was working in molasses. I hated it and took a while to get it back to feeling right. From here on out it's 30w motor oil only. Thick enough to stay in place and not too thin to make me feel like I am not doing something to protect the press. I know there is almost no stress on the ram. I just like it to be smooth.

ess45
05-04-2014, 15:54
The manual recommends gun oil for maintenance. So don't really know why a Zerk fitting.
But I did put grease inside the toggle holes.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/1911pistol/004a_zps48ca5708.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/1911pistol/media/004a_zps48ca5708.jpg.html)

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/1911pistol/006_zps1daee56b.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/1911pistol/media/006_zps1daee56b.jpg.html)

RWE
05-07-2014, 13:50
:supergrin:



The farthest you can mount the press from the edge of the bench before the handle touches the bench on down stroke is around 2.5 inches.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/1911pistol/007_zps9821c03d.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/1911pistol/media/007_zps9821c03d.jpg.html)


Would this help? http://www.midwayusa.com/product/537498/rcbs-summit-single-stage-press-short-handle

PCJim
05-08-2014, 07:01
Just remember - short handle = less leverage.

unclebob
05-08-2014, 07:14
Just remember - short handle = less leverage.

It's used for seating of the bullet. Long handle for sizing.

unclebob
05-08-2014, 07:24
Donít know if it would work or not, But I think I would try mounting and leaving the long handle of the right side and the short handle on the left side. I think taking on and off the handle would get old.

F106 Fan
05-08-2014, 07:51
Perhaps some cases can be resized using the short handle. Probably not .50 BMG but maybe .223 or the straight wall pistol cases. It would be worth a try.

Richard

WeeWilly
05-08-2014, 08:15
I load my precision rifle at the range with hand dies and an arbor press, so I get a pretty good feel. You can actually feel how much less neck tension you get on subsequent loading of a case between annealings

I think grabbing the handle a little down on the shaft might provide the same effect as a shorter handle.

ess45
05-08-2014, 23:07
Everything is noted.

Thank you.