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BSA70
06-13-2014, 04:35
Very frustrated not being able to find pistol powder. A very good re loader was in the store when I was looking for some powder. He suggested long shot. I did a quick google and found it was being used in pistol. I picked up the one they had in stock.

Have any of you guys used this with success in pistol caliber?

Thanks brian

PCJim
06-13-2014, 06:54
I use it for 357Sig when I feel like reloading for the caliber. I'm sure it is good for other warm loads in various calibers. Check Hodgdon's reloading center to see what calibers they recommend it for.

lumbermill
06-13-2014, 07:37
It's a great powder in .40. I've been using it exclusively for the past 2 years now. It performs best for me on the warm side. Relatively clean burning. Excellent grouping. Those are a few of the notes from my journal. Good find!


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Hoser
06-13-2014, 07:43
Great for high velocity loads. Kinda like Blue Dot and 296. I use it for 9x19 Major.

On the skeet range it is the perfect powder for 28 gauge. However it is called Loud Shot for a reason.

happie2shoot
06-13-2014, 07:49
Very frustrated not being able to find pistol powder. A very good re loader was in the store when I was looking for some powder. He suggested long shot. I did a quick google and found it was being used in pistol. I picked up the one they had in stock.

Have any of you guys used this with success in pistol caliber?

Thanks brian

I love Longshot, wish I could get 4 8lb kegs and others too.

Its one of the best for 40, 10mm 45sup, 460R, in the 40
you can get 1150 to 1200fps with a 180 cast and 4'' barrels
with book loads.

fredj338
06-13-2014, 08:27
It's a great choice for high pressure, full power loads in 9, 40, 357sig & 10mm. I am sure it runs fine in upper midrange magnum loads as well.

SJ 40
06-13-2014, 21:22
Use it in 9 and 40,one of my favorites. SJ 40

WeeWilly
06-13-2014, 21:29
One of my favorites for 10mm, works in a lot of pistol calibers.

Kentguy
06-14-2014, 04:47
BSA70 "Have any of you guys used this with success in pistol caliber?"

I have only used it with 9mm but it runs great out of my G17. A bit stout but that's what I was going for, burns clean, good power but nothing crazy.

124g PHP (Remington Golden Saber)
Hodgdon Long Shot - 5.6g/5.7g
OAL - 1.145"

Good luck and be safe out there

Big Sam
06-14-2014, 10:02
I have burnt a lot of Longshot over the last 3 years. Like the other guy say, it works best with high pressure loads. In that sense it's like H-110 even though the burn rate is closer to Blue Dot. It has been an outstanding choice in 10mm with 200 bullets (lead or jacketed) and 180gr jacketed (have not tried it on lead in 180 gr). Equally good on 40 S&W with 180 gr jacketed. I did not get good results on any 45 acp but did get good results in 147gr lead and jacketed in 9mm.

I would not rate it a general all around powder like Power Pistol.

njl
06-14-2014, 10:34
I've made mild 147gr loads with it. They still sound full power. :)

willie_pete
06-14-2014, 11:20
Yes, they should rename it "Loudshot". :whistling:

WP

my_old_glock
06-14-2014, 23:21
I don't remember off hand which calibers I use Longshot, but I do know I have a few loads that are accurate using that powder. I am fairly certain one load is 380 ACP with a 105 grain bullet.


I looked on the Hodgdon reloading website http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol and they have a lot of data for Longshot.



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njl
06-14-2014, 23:26
I don't remember off hand which calibers I use Longshot, but I do know I have a few loads that are accurate usign that powder. I am fairly certain one load is 380 ACP with a 105 grain bullet.


I looked on the Hodgdon reloading website http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol and they have a lot of data for Longshot.



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Longshot for .380? Hodgdon doesn't publish any data. It seems way too slow a powder for .380.

Kentguy
06-15-2014, 06:12
njl "Longshot for .380? Hodgdon doesn't publish any data. It seems way too slow a powder for .380."

Humm... I would agree even with a 105g bullet. :dunno:

The slowest powder I have tested with .380 is Winchester Autocomp w/95g fmj bullet & 90g XTP HP.

Autocomp - #43 (Hodgdon burn rate chart)
Longshot - #52 (Hodgdon burn rate chart)

my_old_glock
06-18-2014, 09:25
njl "Longshot for .380? Hodgdon doesn't publish any data. It seems way too slow a powder for .380."

Humm... I would agree even with a 105g bullet. :dunno:

The slowest powder I have tested with .380 is Winchester Autocomp w/95g fmj bullet & 90g XTP HP.

Autocomp - #43 (Hodgdon burn rate chart)
Longshot - #52 (Hodgdon burn rate chart)


Lee 358-105-SWC lead cast bullet (sized down to .356).
3.2 to 3.9 grains Longshot
0.950 COAL.

Sierra 90 gr Hollow Point #8100
4.9 grains Longshot
0.970 COAL



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njl
06-18-2014, 17:37
Lee 358-105-SWC lead cast bullet (sized down to .356).
3.2 to 3.9 grains Longshot
0.950 COAL.

Sierra 90 gr Hollow Point #8100
4.9 grains Longshot
0.970 COAL



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Where did that data come from? Longshot is one of the powders I actually have...but I just can't imagine it working well in .380.

my_old_glock
06-18-2014, 18:56
Where did that data come from? Longshot is one of the powders I actually have...but I just can't imagine it working well in .380.


I got the data from my Quickload software.

The 4.9 grains LS w/90gr Sierra JHP chronoed @ 1100fps from a Walther PP clone (PP is slightly longer than a PPK).

The 3.9 grains of LS with the 105gr bullet chronoed @ 930 fps.

I used an Oehler 35P chronograph.

The 90 Sierra @1100 fps was very accurate in my gun.

Try 5 or 10 rounds and see what happens.



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blastfact
06-18-2014, 18:56
I use LS for my .357 Sig loads. It is great .357 Sig powder and will take one into nuke land.

A lot of folks like it for 10mm. I've loaded for 10mm and shoot a lot of 10mm. I always go back to Blue Dot for 10mm.

njl
06-18-2014, 19:35
I got the data from my Quickload software.

The 4.9 grains LS w/90gr Sierra JHP chronoed @ 1100fps from a Walther PP clone (PP is slightly longer than a PPK).

The 3.9 grains of LS with the 105gr bullet chronoed @ 930 fps.

I used an Oehler 35P chronograph.

The 90 Sierra @1100 fps was very accurate in my gun.

Try 5 or 10 rounds and see what happens.



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Interesting. The only .380 bullets I have are 100gr Xtreme RNFP plated. I wonder what about 3.5gr of LS would do for them from a G42? I'd be really happy with somewhere in the 800s, reliable slide function, complete combustion of the powder, and no broken parts.

Kentguy
06-19-2014, 07:53
my_old_Glock "...The 4.9 grains LS w/90gr Sierra JHP chronoed @ 1100fps from a Walther PP clone (PP is slightly longer than a PPK)."

That's moving pretty good. I use Hornady factory ammo to obtain my base line data and both their 90g XTP & FTX factory rounds stated velocity is 1,000 fps. I have tested them with my Bersa Thunder 380 w/3.5" barrel (basically a PPK clone) and didn't come close to their numbers.

Hornady 90g XTP box listed @ 1,000 fps/my 6 shot avg = 893 fps
OAL = .965"
Hornady 90g FTX box listed @ 1,000 fps/my 6 shot avg = 867 fps
OAL = .985"

As I stated before the slowest powder I have used for a .380/90g XTP load is 4.0g's of Winchester Autocomp moving at 893 fps. OAL - .965" Accuracy was very good at both 7 & 15 yards.

How was the accuracy with your rounds?

my_old_glock
06-19-2014, 10:41
my_old_Glock "...The 4.9 grains LS w/90gr Sierra JHP chronoed @ 1100fps from a Walther PP clone (PP is slightly longer than a PPK)."

That's moving pretty good. I use Hornady factory ammo to obtain my base line data and both their 90g XTP & FTX factory rounds stated velocity is 1,000 fps. I have tested them with my Bersa Thunder 380 w/3.5" barrel (basically a PPK clone) and didn't come close to their numbers.

Hornady 90g XTP box listed @ 1,000 fps/my 6 shot avg = 893 fps
OAL = .965"
Hornady 90g FTX box listed @ 1,000 fps/my 6 shot avg = 867 fps
OAL = .985"

As I stated before the slowest powder I have used for a .380/90g XTP load is 4.0g's of Winchester Autocomp moving at 893 fps. OAL - .965" Accuracy was very good at both 7 & 15 yards.

How was the accuracy with your rounds?

My gun shoots high.

Distance is 15 meters.

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njl
06-21-2014, 20:34
I've been searching for any more data on longshot in .380 auto...and not found much...but I did just find something very interesting. Hodgdon's reloading data center has longshot data for .32NAA. This is a cartridge I'd never heard of before. It's a .380 case necked down to use .32cal .312" bullets.

BULLET WEIGHT
60 GR. SPR GDHP
Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
Hodgdon Longshot .312" .930" 5.0 1,145 18,200 PSI 5.4 1,220 20,900 PSI
Hodgdon Universal .312" .930" 3.8 1,068 15,500 PSI 4.1 1,189 20,200 PSI

BULLET WEIGHT
71 GR. HDY FMJ/RN
Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s)
Pressure
Hodgdon Longshot .311" .940" 4.6 1,057 18,800 PSI 5.0 1,115 21,700 PSI
Hodgdon Universal .311" .940" 3.4 985 16,400 PSI 3.8 1,087 21,200 PSI

This has me even more tempted to try Longshot with the 100gr Xtreme's. I'm thinking closer to 4gr may be good...but reluctant to try it without any better data or someone else's experience with it. I may also try Universal again, either exceeding max load by a tenth or so, and/or going much shorter on OAL to increase the pressure and try to get all the powder to burn.

DWARREN123
06-22-2014, 03:36
Longshot is my favorite for .40 cal.

M24C
06-22-2014, 16:17
For 40 S&W I liked it, other than the flash out it. If you load it low, it will spit fireballs out. I'd shoot it out of a compensated 40. It will shoot flames about 2 to 3 feet high out of the gun. I'd only use it for full load shooting, for any of the calibers you load it with.

21Glock
06-26-2014, 10:52
Yes, I use it too for my 10mm and 460 Rowland loads. I get top end fps with this powder. If you find it, get it. You will like it! Can be used with other pistol calibers as well from what I have seen.

PrecisionRifleman
06-26-2014, 22:30
Longshot is my favorite for .40 cal.

I echo that statement.

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Kentguy
06-27-2014, 14:23
njl "I've been searching for any more data on longshot in .380 auto...and not found much..."

The slowest burning powder that I have tested with a .380 is Winchester Autocomp (#43 Hodgdon burn rate chart).

Speer #14 has .380 load data for AA No.7 (BR #50), not exactly the same powder/reaction but certainly a close cousin to Long shot (BR #52). I have tested both of the powders in 9mm.

Might give you more background data to help you choose a range to start testing. :dunno:

njl
06-27-2014, 14:47
I've used Longshot in 9mm too...but even a low end 9mm load is higher pressure than a max .380 load. How did your testing with AA No.7 in .380 go?

Kentguy
06-28-2014, 05:40
njl,

I did not test #7 with .380 only in 9mm. In those tests I was going for a fairly "warm" load, and both of those powders delivered!

Personally I'm not sure that a powder like Long Shot is the right way to go for .380. I have no doubt that you could make it work... but... their are way too many other powders out there that would be better suited for that task... seems like it would be a lot of horsing around just to come up with a .380/50 caliber round. Know what I mean.

just my 2 cents.