View Full Version : who likes these steyr pistols?
1BADHKFANATIC
10-22-2003, 10:19
I'm shopping for a new toy and noticed cdnn has steyr m40's for $300-$369 for the 357 sig version.I understand they are no longer imported so parts will be hard to find if ever needed,but the reviews I've read have all been positive.anyone know anything about the designer Wilhelm Bubits ?
I like these guns. I think they are neat little pieces. They have a lot of good features that arent oft found on other pistols. (Speaking mostly of the grip angle and the triangular sights) I'm not a huge fan of the safety keys that these come with (if I am correct), because I like simplicity.
My friend has one, and I've shot it. It shoots nice and is very reliable. No hiccups when we've shot it together. Its a little thicker in the grip than my 26, IIRC, but feels good none the less.
One thing that I have noticed, however, is if you eject the mag, you can squeeze and flex the plasic with your fingers if you push your thumbs hard enough towards eachother on the weakest point of the empty grip. That has no effect on pistol performance, but I like something a little thicker and stronger feeling in my hand.
The price on these is very good for the gun you get. They remind me of the XD before it became the XD and the price was jacked. Good, reliable pistol for a minimum of cash.
I'd go for it. If I wasnt saving for a house ...
;)
DaddyDett
10-22-2003, 19:30
I handled one of these at mt Concealed Carry class.
I liked the ergonomics, and the sights grew on me.
I couldnt quite get the safety to function right, I found it awkward.
Interesting weapon from a proven manufacturer.
DaddyDett
As a proud owner of an M40, I can vouch for the Steyr pistols. They feel better than my Glock as far as ergonmics. I needed to put an extended slide release and I need to get an ext. mag releae for my 21, not so with the Stery, everything is easy to operate and within reach. The manual safety and fully supported chamber are huge pluses IMHO. My M40 will outshoot a Beretta 96, at least in my hands, even though I have literally thousands of rounds more experience w/ the Berettas (the M9) The trigger is crisper than any glock I've had the pleasure of shooting. I personally like the key lock, as I can secure the pistol whenever I do not directly have possession of it. Just a little peace of mind.
The only downsides are that the Steyr is more finicky about its oiling, especially the .40 from what I understand. Moreso than the Glock, but not a M9, so it isn't a huge thing. I recommend Tetra, tw25b, or Militec grease for the rails. Also, they do require a bit of a break in period. Most people say @300 rds. but mine took about 400. this is due to the tighter tolerances. Diamond Trail is supposed to be covering parts, but I can't say with any degree of certainty what parts they have on hand. www.usasteyr.com has all Diamond Trails contact info, so if you drop them a line, you should be able to find out.
Hope that helps.
striderglock
10-30-2003, 10:07
Originally posted by c5367
and fully supported chamber are huge pluses IMHO. There is no such thing.
Strider, I must respectfully disagree. If I posted this correctly, the pic i jus snapped will show the better support of the Steyr. The left is a G21, and the right is my M40. I don't have a .40 Glock to compare as I refuse to buy one, but you get the idea.
And the Glock. Now, don't get me wrong, I really like my Glock and I have full faith in it. The G21 always has nightstand duty actually. Not because I don't have faith in the M40, but because I prefer a subsonic round for use in confined areas. But that's another topic....
back to the chambers, you can clearly see that the Steyr has far better support. That's a big deal w/ me for a .40 and its high case pressure. I don't think its an issue w/ the .45 due to the fact that it has a substantially lower pressure. 39,000 vs. 19,000 for the .40 and .45 respectively, if I remember correctly (they're average figures for comparison purposes only) But, as we all know, its all about personal preference.
The Glock 26 is much better and nicer.
Originally posted by 1BADHKFANATIC
I'm shopping for a new toy and noticed cdnn has steyr m40's for $300-$369 for the 357 sig version.I understand they are no longer imported so parts will be hard to find if ever needed,but the reviews I've read have all been positive.anyone know anything about the designer Wilhelm Bubits ?
Zundfolge
10-31-2003, 12:34
The Glock 26 is much better and nicer
In what way?
The ergonomics and sights are somewhat subjective, but I prefer the Steyr, and many Glock owners I've let shoot my M40 have agreed (at least on the ergonomics ... people are pretty divided on the sights).
The trigger is vastly superior to any Glock trigger (unless you get an old Steyr M before they did the trigger upgrade).
As for quality, both are well made pistols, but I'd put the quality slightly in favor of the Styer.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
10-31-2003, 12:53
Have both a M9 and a G19------the Steyr is a better gun----plus I got it cheap cheap cheap-------thinking about getting a m40 now.
I bought a new M9 2 weeks ago over a G19. After shooting both, I'm glad I bought the M9. The M9 recoils less to me than the G19. The sights have grown on me to the point I prefer them over the 3 dot variety. I paid $337 out the door NIB.
I've looked at the compacts and the size difference doesn't seem to enough for me to conisder them IMO.
Based on the M9 performance, I just put a LNIB M40 on lay-a-way for $270 + tax.
Now, if my holster will show up, I'll be in business.
Next, 357 Sig barrel for the M40.
Get one (or two). You won't regret it.
I would have to agree........the Steyr is an outstanding pistol. In the time I've owned my M357, I would have to say this in comparison to my Glock G31(longer barrel than M357):
1) The Steyr M357 seems to be more accurate than my longer G31.
2) The factory sights are steel(unlike plastic Glock sights). You can get triangular, or 3-dot night sights.
3) The stock slide release lever is easier to manipulate than the stock Glock.
4) The Steyr has a manual safety and the Glock doesn't.
5) The Steyr has a slimmer steel magazine with steel mag catch so that mags last a long time. Glock has polymer frame catch and mag catch which wears badly. Mags are thicker on Glock as well with all the added polymer.
6) The Steyr has a lower bore axis for less muzzle flip and overall softer felt recoil. My M357 feels about like my G19 in recoil.
7) The components of the Steyr are VERY beefed up. The slide has extra thickness in stess areas, and the components that take the most beating are beefed up as well. Also, the thicked end of the slide adds a little more weight which reduces recoil even more. Some ppl buy tungsten recoil rods for their Glocks to "try" to get this effect.
8) The Glock seems to handle "extra" cheap ammo better than the Steyr. The Steyr has tighter tolerances and using stuff like Wolf or other laquer coated ammo WILL be a problem. However, brass cased ammo without a laquer coated sealant on the primer should be smooth sailing.
9) With the Glock you can comfortably disassemble it completely. The Steyr is more complex internally and is a pain to do a full takedown. However, general field stripping on the Steyr is a breeze.
I'm sure I'll remember a point I missed later. There are other things to consider as well. The Glock has a $#@! load of accessories and you can find anything you could ever need to customize your Glock in a couple of minutes online. The Steyr on the otherhand is a pain to find accessories for. Parts are easy to get as USA Steyr has what you need, as well as night sights. Steyr just showed off it's new M-A1 which may be the next generation design:
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/machine_guns/mannlicher/mannlicher2.html
So, it looks as though Steyr will only be getting better.
I tried one of the early ones in 9mm. The grip was great--gets the web of your hand way up high so the bore axis is low. I LOVED the trapezoidal sights. It was really, really fast to pick up targets--you just point the tip of the front triangle where you want to shoot and then make sure it's framed by the rear sights. Best factory sights I've ever shot.
I felt the trigger pull was too long and very heavy though. If they could fix that, and bring out a long-slide version, I think they'd have a winner for IDPA. For personal defense carry, I'd still go with a g23, for now, mainly due to the availability of high caps.
Zundfolge
11-02-2003, 15:41
I tried one of the early ones in 9mm...I felt the trigger pull was too long and very heavy though. If they could fix that...
They did.
The early guns had a heavy crappy trigger that was bad enough that they recalled the guns to fix the problem.
Shoot one with the "upgraded" trigger and you'll understand why I say they are better then a Glock.
I would love to see someone come out with aftermarket trapezoidal sights. And make the front sight out of fiber optic material. A fiber optic triangle front would be lightning fast, and easy to shoot tight groups because you can align the narrow tip of the triangle on the x-ring.
Glad to hear the trigger is improved. Unfortunately, the Caliban infringers in Sacramento say I can't buy one of these here.
Originally posted by Yo
Unfortunately, the Caliban infringers in Sacramento say I can't buy one of these here.
Didn't you know that guns are the ones who kill ppl? The gun is in charge, not you. It doesn't matter how moral or strong-willed you are, the gun is a bad influence on you. Without the Caliban you are likely to go off on a shooting spree for no apparent reason other than, the gun made you do it. You should be thankful the Caliban are taking this vile, out of control weapon off your hands before it gets the better of you. Oh, and high capacity mags?........makes you want to kill more ppl than you could with a six-shooter.;g
Hehe, on a serious note.;f Don't count on Arnold to help on gun rights.
glock glockler
11-02-2003, 19:06
The new models seem really cool, does anyone know if they plan having versions with longer barrels?
Does anyone know who is importing the Steyr series of pistols, or is that still undecided?
I like the looks of the new M-A1, and would pick one up of it's released. Anyone else notice the missing manual safety in the photo of the M-A1.......
Best, JNB01
I noticed the missing safety too. the way the website phrases it, the M-A1 is already being produced, but only for military buyers. It is entirely possible they'll bring it stateside for consumers once the get these importer kinks worked out, but who knows?
As far as the sights go, I've heard that Sig sights will fit, but I can't say for certain. Anyone got a set they'll use as guinea pigs? or better yet, anyone know an engineer who has access to the stuff to fabricate them? There are plenty of Steyr owners and others who really dig those trangle/trapezoid sights and would love to see (and buy) the fiber optic or tritium versions offered. Could be a good market opportunity.
glock glockler
11-03-2003, 16:15
I wonder Steyr will either produce their sights for other guns or contract it out to another manufacturer.
It would be most cool if you could get a Walther or USP with Steyr sights.
Originally posted by c5367
As far as the sights go, I've heard that Sig sights will fit, but I can't say for certain. Anyone got a set they'll use as guinea pigs?
I have already placed an order for a Millett 100 series sight for the SIG P225/226.
It's been over 1 week since it shipped... I am hoping it will arrive this week or early next week.
I will post the results ;P
I am keeping my fingers crossed ;P
SELFDEFENSE
04-20-2004, 16:30
My M9 is a great gun. I have 400 rounds and counting thru it without cleaning.
I have two 357s and my woife just ordered anothe rone from CDNN. They are great guns! I found them to be VERY accurate!
If they just made the S series in 357....
Originally posted by tggt04
I have already placed an order for a Millett 100 series sight for the SIG P225/226.
It's been over 1 week since it shipped... I am hoping it will arrive this week or early next week.
I will post the results ;P
I am keeping my fingers crossed ;P
I ordered a set of the Used Sig Night Sights from CDNN (http://www.cdnninvestments.com/sigsa2222222.html) because I was going to put them on my FEG, but ended up changing my mind and selling them. Just out of curiosity I did look to see if the would fit on my S40 and it looked like they would.
freight dog
04-21-2004, 03:38
I've had my M9 for over a year and agree with all of the positive comments above. It is completely reliable, and as accurate as my P-99. It is also one of the sexiest guns I've seen. I like the sights because they use the same principal as the flight director in the airplanes I fly, just nestle the triangle (representing the plane) into the command bars and you are on course. Due to the frame design, it does tend to point high if you are accustomed to a 1911 or in my case a Springfield XD, but this is easily overcome with practice. My only complaint is the thing constantly ejects brass at my forehead. Does anyone have a solution to this, other than wearing a hat?
freight dog
I have a M40 with a M357 barrel and this is the best polymer gun with a very soft recoil and very accurate. The m40 beats the g23 hands downs.
I love my M40. In my opinion it is a better gun than my Glock 31, I just wish there was decent factory support available.
Jeremy
Glock23Man
04-21-2004, 11:20
Originally posted by CZ100B
I love my M40. In my opinion it is a better gun than my Glock 31, I just wish there was decent factory support available.
Jeremy
There is factory support available. All Steyr pistols sold in the U.S. have at least a two year warranty (the guns sold through Davidson's have a lifetime warranty). Warranty problems and parts are handled through AGE/DTSS here in Iowa, which is about 20 miles from me. You can contact them at (641) 623-3098.
By the way, Steyr Mannlicher, USA is now the importer for Steyr firearms in the U.S. The web page is at:
http://www.usasteyr.com/
I have the M40 and an S9 and they're both excellent guns, better than my G23 was and as good as my USP40.
Buy now, because when CDNN and Davidson's run out of their current stock, I'm betting the price will go up substantially, since Steyr has a U.S. presence now and peple won't be so afraid of buying an "orphan" gun.
No, I don't work for Steyr, but I know people who do.
Scott
Originally posted by freight dog
My only complaint is the thing constantly ejects brass at my forehead. Does anyone have a solution to this, other than wearing a hat?
Yeah, had the exact same problem...
I ordered a new extractor set (spring/rod/extractor) from 'usasteyr' ...problem is fixed.
:)
P.S. Thanks Ratfink... made me feel better about my SIG sight purchase... hope it all works out. Stay tuned for pics once they arrive.
Did you guys know a caliber change is as simple as a new mag and barrel? These guns were origianlly built on .40 platform so to go to .357sig just pop in new barrel. To go to 9mm just pop in new barrel and mag.
freight dog
04-22-2004, 02:59
Originally posted by tggt04
I ordered a new extractor set (spring/rod/extractor) from 'usasteyr' ...problem is fixed.
:)
Thanks tggt04. One more question, is replacing the extractor very difficult for the mechanically challenged (special tools, flying springs etc.)?
Replacing the extractor is a fairly easy task. All you'll need is a small flathead screwdriver. Insert it in between the extractor (39) and the extractor pin (40) and push it all the way to the rear. Wiggle out the extractor arm, and gently allow the piston to move forward. And there ya have it.
the numbers refer to the part numbers in this schematic
http://www.usasteyr.com/schematics/modelm&spistolschematic.htm
Putting it back in is a little tricky. On the pin, you'll notice on one end that there is a smaller face, and a larger one. Slide the pin/spring into the hole with the small face outboard. You can use the screwdriver to push it all the way back, but I find its easier to use the extractor. The back nub on the extractor will fall into place and you should be good to go. The crease on the one end of the pin should line up with the corner edge of the extractor.
Good Luck
My husband has an M-9 and loves it. If I could get LEO hi-caps, I'd have gone with the M-40 or S-40 over my current Glock 23; I really liked the ergonomics.
Miao, Cat
freight dog
04-24-2004, 00:29
c5367,
Thanks for the info. I have ordered an extractor assembly from the link you posted. Good stuff. I'll post the results.
freight dog
Just received my M357. Have not fired it yet, but its fits my hand better than any handgun I have ever owned. Off to the range!
freight dog
04-29-2004, 17:19
Who says there is no factory support for these guns? I bought my M9 from a GT'er over a year ago who had to get rid of one gun and decided on the Steyr because of no factory support. I paid $265 plus $15 shipping and $25 FFL IIRC.
Well, I ordered a replacement extractor assembly from USA Steyr at 2 am on 4/24. It arrived UPS ground on 4/28. Not too bad for no factory support.
Dimensionally, it appears identical to the old one to the eye. I don't have a micrometer handy. I am wondering if the act of removing the striker and cleaning is what solves the problem, because it seemed a little sticky. The old one came out easy but as predicted by c5367, I am having trouble getting the new one back in. I have to road trip tonight, but I will hit the range this weekend and let everyone know the results.
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