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Skyhook
10-27-2003, 03:46
Petition: Since we seem to have considerable interest in things and people that fly, will fly, might fly, have flown, I am proposing there be a sign-up to ascertain whether the requisite 50+ folks will sign on. I'd like to be the first.
;Y

Santa CruZin
10-27-2003, 14:56
I'll second the motion.

BillCola
10-27-2003, 14:57
I'm in for 2.

glocknsail
10-27-2003, 15:04
I got the bronze medal!

sopdan
10-27-2003, 15:16
Got my vote.

Medpilot 2
10-27-2003, 15:41
Sounds good to me.;)

Wulfenite
10-27-2003, 16:05
Clear Prop!!!

Makila
10-27-2003, 16:54
I would like to join. Not a pilot but been wrenching in aviation for 35 years.Certificated Aiframe and Powerplant mechanic currently bending wrenches on helicopters.


Makila;)CLEAR FORE AND AFT

skyydiver
10-27-2003, 19:45
Count me in!

Superfueler
10-27-2003, 20:51
Me three!

M2 Carbine
10-27-2003, 21:29
Looks like I make 11.:)

F14Scott
10-27-2003, 22:13
Call me "The Dirty Dozen."

Texas T
10-27-2003, 22:28
And I'll be the Baker's Dozen... lucky number 13. :)


T

nu2carry
10-27-2003, 23:04
Yea, It is a good idea. All of us that fly could hangar-fly on GT.
Got my thumbs up!

Skyhook
10-28-2003, 04:12
Awright! Only thirty-six (36) to go, right? Lesse, now, the recriprocal of 36 is... add 200, subtract 20..... :cool:

ScubaSven
10-28-2003, 10:18
I'm in!

HerrGlock
10-28-2003, 11:20
I'll be on and off it, but am all for its existance.

DanH

CarNPlaneNut
10-28-2003, 13:24
Count me in.

Jason

Skyhook
10-28-2003, 13:57
Are we gonna make it?

Things aren't actually sizzling, heah! Let's get wit it, youse guys!

ateamer
10-28-2003, 15:02
I'm in.

Patriot328
10-29-2003, 11:13
I'm in..


Are we going to talk about flying or will it deteriorate into a discussion of scope and the whoring out of the industry... ?



;f

Maxthrustflapstwentypositiverategearupfmsnavvnavvsecflapsup!

Skyhook
10-29-2003, 11:16
I believe the answer is----yes.

freepatriot
10-29-2003, 13:21
I'm in.

Glock30 CCW
10-29-2003, 13:23
I'll motor along! ;f

Gary in Pennsylvania

Glock30 CCW
10-29-2003, 13:29
Oops! Double post.

KK20
10-29-2003, 15:05
:)

RussP
10-29-2003, 15:27
Heck, I'm in. It has been a long time, 20 years actually and medically I can't solo any longer, but, God knows I miss it, even after all this time.

Can we get some flight-oriented smilies?

RussP

Glock30 CCW
10-29-2003, 20:08
Can we get some flight-oriented smilies?


Good Suggestion!

Gary in Pennsylvania

gibbons025
10-30-2003, 01:41
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gibbons025
10-30-2003, 01:56
Count mein..

LawRand
10-30-2003, 06:50
I just found this thread. Private pilot working on my Instrument. I'm in.

flyboy5432H
10-30-2003, 12:36
i'm in

hapuna
10-30-2003, 13:16
i am also in!!!!
Didnt we already do this?

Skyhook
10-30-2003, 14:40
hapuna, no we didn't. What we did initially was to produce a 'sampling' of the Glockers as to their prediliction towards the flight theme...
Then we were directed to the 'Club' wherein we must register formally in powers of fifty (50) or greater to get our own club.
We are on our way and thanks for the support!

Sta. 18
10-30-2003, 17:00
Sign me up. I think that makes about 27 people onboard.

amprecon
10-30-2003, 19:45
Another vote!

Sta. 18
10-30-2003, 19:59
Sign up here:

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=194292


50 people need to sign up before the new room can open.

Drjones
10-31-2003, 10:54
I'm down!

See this thread for lots of plane-related pics! http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=195377&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Skyhook
10-31-2003, 10:54
If you are one who meant to sign on but hasn't, get it together so we can get to that 1/2 century #...

pilot718
10-31-2003, 16:09
My pilot, I fly...

GeorgeCA
10-31-2003, 23:17
Count me in!

Superfueler
11-01-2003, 00:11
Nice quote

flygirl
11-01-2003, 22:13
Add me to the list.

Pan
11-01-2003, 22:47
Not sure what it has to do with Glocks, but sure.

Pan

mighty_cherokee
11-02-2003, 00:49
signin in :)

tSuperflyTNT
11-02-2003, 08:08
oh yeah! Expedite this club

aircarver
11-02-2003, 08:37
I'm in !

Neal
11-02-2003, 09:02
PP-SEL. Not current, but still interested.

Neal

C150J
11-06-2003, 21:02
I'm in...

Medpilot 2
11-06-2003, 21:19
Hmm. Getting closer.

4TS&W
11-06-2003, 21:28
I worked in a rapcon.. sign me up!

Also my dad is a cfi and has a 150, uncle skydives and has a commanche..

S2CPitts
11-07-2003, 02:15
Im all for it....

CaptDoug04
11-07-2003, 15:08
Works for me, let's do it!!:)

Superfueler
11-07-2003, 15:20
If my counting is correct, we have 46 people right now! Four more!!!

Exile
11-07-2003, 16:00
Can I have two votes, one for fixed wing and one for rotary?

;)

CDM
11-07-2003, 18:24
I'm in!

PA25P
11-07-2003, 19:23
Me too.

G23TRD
11-07-2003, 21:02
and 50!?

Im in

JonnyB
11-07-2003, 22:11
Geez! I've been hangin' around GT for years, and never knew about the requirement to sign in here for a new forum.

I'm in for the aviation group, but have no idea what nmber voter I am. Who cares?

JB - PP ASEL/Sea

Sta. 18
11-07-2003, 22:59
The following are those who have signed up for the Aviation Club. I count 46 so far. 4 to go!! If you haven't signed up, please do so.

Skyhook
Santa CruZin
BillCola
glocknsail
sopdan
Medpilot 2
Wulfenite
Makila
Superfueler
M2 Carbine
F14Scott
Texas T
nu2carry
ScubaSven
HerrGlock
CarNPlaneNut
ateamer
Patriot328
scottauld
Glock30 CCW
kk20
RussP
gibbons025
LawRand
flyboy5432H
hapuna
Sta. 18
amprecon
Drjones
pilot718
GeorgeCA
flygirl
Pan
mighty_cherokee
tSuperflyTNT
aircarver
Neal
C150J
4TS&W
S2CPitts
Lt.Doug29
Exile
CDM
PA25P
G23TRD
JonnyB

Skyhook
11-08-2003, 05:58
Thanks, Sta 18!! This just might take off after all. ;a

Weaps
11-08-2003, 16:46
Okay, yeah. PP-ASEL here with about 95 hours. Inactive for a couple of years since I got married (go figure) but still have the hots for aviation. Medical is still current. :) I'll be getting back into it.

Yeah count me in.

skyydiver
11-08-2003, 16:47
Okay, count me in again. Not on the list, AND rec'd a PM, even after posting once to this very thread. If I'm just a dumb jumper and am doing it wrong, then my bad. I guess I'll just keep using you people for altitude!

Sta. 18
11-08-2003, 17:12
Skyydiver, sorry about that. I must have missed your name, when I made up the list.

Sta. 18
11-08-2003, 17:30
Updated List. Looks like I missed at least one name before (Sorry skyydiver). That makes 48. 2 more to go.

1. Skyhook
2. Santa CruZin
3. BillCola
4. glocknsail
5. sopdan
6. Medpilot 2
7. Wulfenite
8. Makila
9. Superfueler
10. M2 Carbine
11. F14Scott
12. Texas T
13. nu2carry
14. ScubaSven
15. HerrGlock
16. CarNPlaneNut
17. ateamer
18. Patriot328
19. scottauld
20. Glock30 CCW
21. kk20
22. RussP
23. gibbons025
24. LawRand
25. flyboy5432H
26. hapuna
27. Sta. 18
28. amprecon
29. Drjones
30. pilot718
31. GeorgeCA
32. flygirl
33. Pan
34. mighty_cherokee
35. tSuperflyTNT
36. aircarver
37. Neal
38. C150J
39. 4TS&W
40. S2CPitts
41. Lt.Doug29
42. Exile
43. CDM
44. PA25P
45. G23TRD
46. JonnyB
47. Weaps
48. skyydiver

Cabby
11-08-2003, 18:12
I'm in.:) :) :)

One more.

txcruiser
11-08-2003, 18:16
I'll be #50

Inyo Tim
11-08-2003, 19:01
I'm in.

GCPD724
11-08-2003, 19:53
I'm in.... Making sure it is over 50. Not a current pilot or anything else but thinking about it, and would like the information.

Superfueler
11-08-2003, 22:32
Woohoo!! We got 50! Thanks guys and gals!

(now what?)

sushi600
11-09-2003, 01:32
A little late to the party here, but I'm in as well.

Skyhook
11-09-2003, 03:39
CLEAR PROP!!

Now let us saunter on over to the Club House and talk.;f

nu2carry
11-09-2003, 04:21
Hey Skyhook, so is it official? I am getting ready to take a little flight today From (YIP) to (TVC) supposed to be CAVU most of the way.
So did the forum make it? It will be kinda neat being able to share info.

What do you fly? I will check back later (after flight) Got to get over to hangar and preflight the bird.

I am looking at the new Ovation 2, I sold my M20 F a while ago and miss it like the love of my life. I am flying my business partners C 182 today he just had a Garmin 530 put in and I am looking forward to getting some time on it. I had a older 300 GNC in the Mooney.

Later

Skyhook
11-09-2003, 04:42
nu2carry, my present mount is a RV-4 with the 0360 and FP.
My past planes were all single Cessnas, Pipers and Citabrias.
Every now and again I can be seen occupying a front seat on the company's Cheyenne.
This RV-4 is supremely quick and agile while being predictable and forgiving. Some ship!

Douglas in CT
11-09-2003, 05:23
I FLY ! :)

Private Pilot
- GLIDER
- SEL
- IFR

& Maintenance Officer, 21 Flyers, Inc.

21 Flyers is a small flying club, with a Cessna 172M (IFR) based at Sikorsky Memorial Airport (BDR), Stratford, CT.
We presently have 1O members, and are looking to fill the 3 slots that have recently openned up.
(Hint: Spread the WORD). ;)

nu2carry
11-10-2003, 03:23
Any one know of a good battery operated IR light for cockpit use with long burn times. I flew home last night in my buddies C182 and his instrument panel lighting and poor IR light leave a lot to be desired. I have a couple of different handheld Mag-lites etc. with red lens inserts but they donít give real good performance for 4-5 hrs. I will be flying this plane for a while till I get a replacement for mine.

I really would like a nice long-lasting small light maybe even a clip on for my chart board. I know our forum is not official yet, or is it? Anyway all suggestions are appreciated.

Skyhook
11-10-2003, 06:02
L.E.D. lights are what you are looking for.. We ahve been using them on the company twin for months and they do perform as advertised.

nu2carry
11-11-2003, 07:14
Originally posted by Skyhook
L.E.D. lights are what you are looking for.. We ahve been using them on the company twin for months and they do perform as advertised.

Skyhook, what brand are they? Are they portable? I really don't want anything that has to be installed. Where do you get them?
Thanks.

Skyhook
11-11-2003, 12:41
Nu2, I picked them up at the FBO and will check on the manufacturer in a day or so (they are in the acft). I have seen them offered in other retail establisments, though, and wouldn't be surprised if Aircraft Spruce and others might also offer them.
The handiest are the tiny flat jobs with one diode (different colors are available). We also carry those four-diode numbers for searching the map cases, baggage compartments or doing preflight duty.
Handy, and the battery life is like 30X+ that of other small lights.

nu2carry
11-11-2003, 18:42
Ok, Skyhook I will be wiating in the dark till you shed some light on the subject.
Thanks again.

BillCola
11-12-2003, 22:37
Treat yourself to the Photon Light (http://www.photon-light.com). I use the red/III/covert models. I keep one on a lanyard around my neck while night flying. I have a couple stashed around the cockpit just in case. They use a lithium battery, and therefore last forever. For hands-free you can select "always on" and hold it 'tween your teeth. The model I describe has several levels of luminosity from faint to bright enough for fueling and preflighting.

Trust me, you'll be happy.

I guess this thread is our forum, eh? OK, what do you want to talk about now?? ;f

C150J
11-12-2003, 22:43
Since an official forum hasn't opened yet, I figured I'd just inquire within this post...Anyone fly part 135/121/Corporate 91 ops? I spent the summer flying C208B's, but am in college and would be eager to hear from those flying a line, as I'm not sure about it yet...

Blue Skies!
J.

Medpilot 2
11-12-2003, 23:29
135 Air-ambulance here. Love to answer any questions you have. :)

Oh, I fly fixed wing. C-421's

Skyhook
11-13-2003, 04:55
Nu2carry, ok, those lights are something labelled INOVA.. they are small, are bite-size, and last and last. I also notice the EAA catalog has a version on page two of their catalog which just arrived in the mail.
The bigger L.E.D.s should be easy to find because my hardware store even had a couple hanging in the wall.

Now, is that avitar going to brighten up a bit???? ;)

nu2carry
11-13-2003, 07:51
Yea buddy, Things are lookin brighter already. My blue wolf needs shades. Thanks Skyhook for the info.

Roger that.

Superfueler
11-13-2003, 08:19
Originally posted by C150J
Since an official forum hasn't opened yet, I figured I'd just inquire within this post...Anyone fly part 135/121/Corporate 91 ops? I spent the summer flying C208B's, but am in college and would be eager to hear from those flying a line, as I'm not sure about it yet...

Blue Skies!
J.

I work part time for a corporate flight department, but only as plane washer/office boy/everything else. Who did you fly Caravans with?

C150J
11-13-2003, 10:46
SCJ Wax - 2 Falcon 900s, a CV, a Sikorsky S-38, and an amphib Caravan. It was a part 91 operation, but with the gear they flew, they abided by 135 standards.

J.

Slingshot
11-13-2003, 11:01
I'am in.

Superfueler
11-13-2003, 15:14
Originally posted by C150J
SCJ Wax - 2 Falcon 900s, a CV, a Sikorsky S-38, and an amphib Caravan. It was a part 91 operation, but with the gear they flew, they abided by 135 standards.

J.

I remember seeing an article on them in Pro Pilot, looked like a sweet operation. How could you turn down working for them??????

The department I work for is under a 135 cert, but they do very little actual charter work, its mostly for a tax write off for the owner.

C150J
11-13-2003, 21:42
Super Fueler -

I'm just not sure if I want a flying career. Yes, flying is one of the most enjoyable things I can think of, but I'm still exploring career options (law enforcement being aviation's biggest contender). I'm only a 500 hour pilot right now, so I'm going to keep logging time and see where it goes. After graduation I plan on applying to as many ANG flying positions as possible, as that would be a dream come true. If it doesn't work out, I'll probably work for a PD and eventually apply for a FedGov investigator slot.

Blue Skies!
J.

George Erdel
11-17-2003, 22:37
I'll get into the Aviation club.

George Erdel

Skyhook
11-18-2003, 04:41
My Marine fighter jock bud sent this:

For all of you fellow pilots



The only three things a wingman should ever say are:
>>
>> 1. Two's up.
>> 2. Lead, you're on fire.
>> 3. I'll take the fat chick.
>>
>> ...and in a multi-place aircraft, there are only three
>> things the copilot should ever say:
>>
>> 1. Nice landing, Sir.
>> 2. I'll buy the first round.
>> 3. I'll take the fat chick.
>>
>>
>> As a new copilot on Americam Airlines, I was told to say
>> these three things, and otherwise keep my mouth shut
>> and not touch anything:
>>
>> 1. Clear on the right.
>> 2. Outer (marker) on the double (indicator)
>> 3. I'll eat the chicken. (Crew meals consisted of one
>> steak and one chicken to avoid possible food poisoning of
>> the cockpit crew).
>>
>> About Fighter Pilots
>> 1. As an aviator in flight you can do anything you want...
>> As long as it's right... And we'll let you know if it's right after you
>> get down.
>> 2. You can't fly forever without getting killed.
>> 3. As a fighter pilot only two bad things can happen to you
>> and one of them will:
>> a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that
>> it is your last flight in a fighter.
>> b. One day you will walk out to the airplane not knowing
>> that it is your last flight in a fighter.
>>
>> 4. Success is being able to walk to your F.E.B.
>>
>> 5. There are Rules and there are Laws. The rules are
>> made by men who think that they know better how to
>> fly your airplane than you. The Laws (of Physics) were
>> made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes should,
>> suspend the Rules but you can never suspend the Laws.
>>
>> 6. More about Rules:
>> a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea
>> and the talent to execute it. b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be
>> a flawless performance. (e.g., If you fly under a bridge, don't hit the
>> bridge.)
>>
>> 7. The fighter pilot is the highest form of life on earth.
>>
>> 8. The ideal fighter pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and
>> aggressiveness.
>>
>> 9. About check rides:
>> a. The only real objective of a check ride is to complete it and get
>> the
>> bastard out of your airplane. b. It has never occurred to any flight
>> examiner that the examinee couldn't care less what the examiner's
>> opinion of his flying ability really is.
>>
>> 10. The medical profession is the natural enemy of the
>> aviation profession.
>>
>> 11. The job of the Wing Commander is to worry incessantly
>> that his career depends solely on the abilities of his aviators to fly
>> their airplanes without mishap and that their only minuscule
>> contribution to the effort is to bet their lives on it.
>>
>> 12. Ever notice that the only experts who decree that the
>> age of the pilot is over are people who have never flown anything?
>> Also,
>> in spite of the intensity of their feelings that the pilot's day is
>> over
>> I know of no such expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a
>> non-piloted aircraft.
>>
>> 13. It is absolutely imperative that the fighter pilot be
>> unpredictable.
>> Rebelliousness is very predictable. In the end, conforming almost all
>> the time is the best way to be unpredictable.
>>
>> 14. He who demands everything that his aircraft can give
>> him is a pilot; he that demands one iota more is a fool.
>>
>> 15. If you're gonna fly low, do not fly slow!
>>
>> 16. It is solely the pilot's responsibility to never let any other
>> thing
>> touch his aircraft.
>>
>> 17. If you can learn how to fly as a Lt. and not forget how
>> to fly by the time you're a Lt.Col you will have lived a
>> happy life.
>>
>> 18. About night flying:
>> a. Remember that the airplane doesn't know that it's
>> dark.
>> b. On a clear, moonless night, never fly between the
>> tanker's lights.
>> c. There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be
>> heard at night.
>>
>> d. If you're going to night fly, it might as well be in the weather so
>> you can double count your exposure to both hazards. e. Night formation
>> is really an endless series of near misses in equilibrium with each
>> other. f. You would have to pay a lot of money at a lot of amusement
>> parks and perhaps add a few drugs, to get the same blend of psychedelic
>> sensations as a single engine night weather flight on the wing.
>>
>> 19. One of the most important skills that a pilot must
>> develop is the skill to ignore those things that were designed by
>> non-pilots to get the pilot's attention.
>>
>> 20. At the end of the day, the controllers, ops supervisors,
>> maintenance
>> guys, weather guessers, and birds; they're all trying to kill you and
>> your job is to not let them!
>>
>> 21. The concept of "controlling" airspace with radar is
>> just a form of FAA sarcasm directed at fighter pilots to
>> see if they're gullible enough to swallow it.
>>
>> Or to put it another way, when's the last time the FAA
>> ever shot anyone down?
>>
>> 22. Remember that the radio is only an electronic
>> suggestion box for the pilot. Sometimes the only way to
>> clear up a problem is to turn it off.
>>
>> 23. It is a tacit, yet profound admission of the pre-eminence of
>> flying
>> in the hierarchy of the human spirit, that those who seek to control
>> aviators via threats always threaten to take one's wings and not one's
>> life.
>>
>> 24. Remember when flying low and inverted that the rudder
>> still works the same old way but hopefully your IP never
>> taught you "pull stick back, plane go up".
>>
>> 25. Mastering the prohibited maneuvers in the dash-1 is
>> one of the best forms of aviation life insurance you can
>> get.
>>
>> 26. A tactic done twice is a procedure. (Refer to unpredictability
>> discussion above)
>>
>> 27. The aircraft G-limits are only there in case there is another
>> flight
>> by that particular airplane. If subsequent flights do not appear
>> likely,
>> there are no G-limits.
>>
>> 28. One of the beautiful things about a single piloted
>> aircraft is the quality of the social experience.
>>
>> 29. If a mother has the slightest suspicion that her
>> infant might grow up to be a pilot, she had better teach
>> him to put things back where he got them.
>>
>> 30. The ultimate responsibility of the pilot is to fulfill
>> the dreams of the countless millions of earthbound
>> ancestors who could only stare skyward and wish.
>>
>> 31. Any flight over water in a single engine fighter will absolutely
>> guarantee abnormal engine noises and vibrations.

sparky410us
11-18-2003, 21:37
Longtime pilot and currently Cheif Pilot for a NBA basketball team.Count me in!!

glockfan911
11-19-2003, 11:42
I'm in also. ;?

Exile
11-19-2003, 16:04
Whilst I'm really pleased how this aviation thread has taken off (if you'll pardon the pun), my original question was 'does anyone here fly police air support?'

:)

Blast
11-21-2003, 06:39
Add another vote. I'm no pilot, but I love aircraft.
A forum like this would be very informative.

Texas T
11-21-2003, 10:23
Thursday was a big one for 82-year-old former test pilot Scott Crossfield for two reasons: It marked the fiftieth anniversary of his record-breaking Mach 2 flight in a Douglas D558-II "Skyrocket," a swept-wing improvement over the rocket ship that Chuck Yeager flew to Mach 1. It was also the day that pilots trained by Crossfield would attempt to fly the Wright "Flyer" at Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina, as a practice flight gearing up for the commemorative one on December 17.

alfred guard
11-22-2003, 18:13
count me in been a long time

gibbons025
11-23-2003, 08:33
What are we waiting on???;Q

Skyhook
11-23-2003, 12:25
What we're waiting for is some word from Eric as to how well I stated the basics of the proposed 'Club'. I'm not too far above being illiterate so this may take a while.
Sorry for the wait.

;+

BillCola
11-24-2003, 21:41
I'm voting again.

Skyhook
11-24-2003, 22:05
Me
too.

Superfueler
11-24-2003, 22:31
Me three.

Funny how the food club is up and running, but they started voting at least a week after we started.

AirCav
11-25-2003, 01:56
Better late than never. Add my vote, please.

Texas T
11-25-2003, 08:13
Originally posted by Skyhook
What we're waiting for is some word from Eric as to how well I stated the basics of the proposed 'Club'. I'm not too far above being illiterate so this may take a while. Find out what the Food Forum folks stated and modify it to meet our needs. I'm a fairly good wordsmith so I can help with this if I know the basics of what you want to convey.


T

vertigo7
11-25-2003, 16:00
I'll toss in my vote too.

Texas T
11-30-2003, 20:14
I'm sure we have enough interested folks at this point but Eric is a bit busy with server issues so we may be kept on hold for a while.

In the meantime, have we determined a Forum name?

Hanger Talk?


T

Sta. 18
11-30-2003, 23:45
Aviation Station?;p
Fly Inn? ;n

gibbons025
12-01-2003, 01:49
Mile High Forum??

nu2carry
12-01-2003, 07:45
Flyers Forum

Flight Deck

Cockpit Club

Wings

Air Share

nu2carry
12-01-2003, 07:50
A Big Fat Secret
How A Baghdad-Bound 747 Turns Invisible...
So how do you fly a Boeing 747-200B, over five stories high and more than 200 feet long, carrying a gaggle of reporters and the U.S. president and his staff, halfway across the world's airspace, without anybody noticing? Well, it isn't easy. First, you hustle the press pool off, hush-hush, without any explanation, to the secluded, secure ramp at Texas State Technical College in Waco, Texas. It's Wednesday evening, the sun has set, Air Force One is dark, and the reporters surrender their cellphones. The flight crew had prepared for what they believed was a milk run to Washington for maintenance. President Bush arrived and climbed up the rear stairs instead of the front gangway as usual, so airport workers wouldn't notice him. The plane took off at 7:25 p.m. local time, without running lights and with all the window shades pulled down. As with all Air Force One flights, this one was conducted as a military mission, under military flight rules.


...A Misdirection Play...
Two hours later, the airplane touched down and rolled into a hangar at the 140,000-square-foot maintenance and support complex at Andrews Air Force Base, outside Washington, D.C., where the 747's sister ship awaited. The other 747 was all fueled and catered and ready for the 10 1/2 hour flight to Baghdad. Inside the hangar, the passengers were debarked and reboarded, and a few more journalists arrived, for a total of 13 reporters and photographers. They took off again, in the dark and in secret. At one point during the flight, the pilot of a British Airways jet spotted the plane with its distinctive blue-and-gold livery, and asked over the radio, "Did I just see Air Force One?" After a pause, the president's pilot, Col. Mark Tillman, responded, "Gulfstream five." The British Airways pilot seemed to sense that he was in on a secret, The New York Times reported, and replied simply, "Oh." The plane landed without lights in the darkness, at about 5:30 p.m. local time, with the cabin lights turned off and the shades drawn.


...And Why They Flew It
Why didn't the president fly in a fighter or some kind of burly attack aircraft? Probably because Air Force One is safer, and better-equipped, than any other airplane out there. "Air Force One has a wide array of countermeasure capabilities for foiling surface-to-air missiles, some of which have never been disclosed to the public," defense analyst Loren Thompson told The Washington Post. "It is the closest thing we have to an invulnerable aircraft in terms of dealing with surface-to-air threats." Air Force One also is heavily shielded to protect the onboard electronics from the electromagnetic pulse associated with a nuclear blast. And it is equipped for in-flight refueling, so it can stay aloft in an emergency indefinitely ... so long as air tankers can reach it. Other defensive systems and avionics are classified.

Skyhook
12-01-2003, 12:22
Cool post! Thanks.

Skyhook
12-03-2003, 19:15
While we're waiting for Eric to say or do something, does anyone have any idea what's going on with this request?
I haven't the foggiest!

Glock30 CCW
12-04-2003, 07:54
Cool kids project . . . . . . . But secretly, I'm sure us adults (including
me) will try this.


CLICK LINK
http://www.continuo.com/marske/egg%20carton%20gliders/egg%20carton%20gliders.htm

Enjoy!


Gary in Pennsylvania

George Erdel
12-07-2003, 06:55
I said I would get in too but yoiu left ME off the list as well.

George

Patriot328
12-07-2003, 08:49
Originally posted by nu2carry
Flyers Forum

Flight Deck

Cockpit Club

Wings

Air Share


Mile High Club


is there really any other name???

Skyhook
12-07-2003, 10:15
Originally posted by George Erdel
I said I would get in too but yoiu left ME off the list as well.

George

George, who left you off what list? ;d

CDM
12-07-2003, 15:52
I concur -- The Mile High Club. Send that and a quick description to Eric and let's get this thing going....:cool:

Texas T
12-07-2003, 21:23
In case you didn't see it...

The Flight Deck

is up and running. Please come join us. I've started a bunch of posts to try to get the forum off and rolling, so come on in!

Kudos to Skyhook for getting this initiative "off the ground". ;)


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