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bbauman
11-17-2003, 22:20
Thinking of getting a different rifle for midwest whitetails. Looking at synthetic stock, bolt actions that have iron sights. Remington 700 ADL or Savage 111F most likely.

My conundrum is caliber. 6mm Remington looks good but not popular enough. Currently looking at the .25-06 or .270. Which would you choose?

f1b32oPTic
11-17-2003, 22:32
although the 25-06 is a wonderful cartridge, id have to get a .270 because you can surely get .270's in any podunk town gass station.
and that is good to know.

jjrobo
11-17-2003, 22:37
I have a Rem. 700 mountain rifle in 25-06. I have been very happy with it. I went with that because it works well for both varmits and deer (poor college student);Y. I reload and use 117 gr. btsp for deer and 75 gr. v-max for the smaller critters. If I was only going to use it for deer I would go with the 270. Heavier bullets and there is not a whole lot of difference in trajectory within 300 yards. There is also a better selection of factory ammo, if you don't reload.

paynter2
11-21-2003, 14:38
I shoot a 6mm Rem and just love it. But, if you want something larger, I'd look at a 7mm-08 or .308. 25-06 and .270 are great - you can't go wrong with either one. I just like the shorter case of the .308 based calibers in a bolt action.

Skyhook
11-21-2003, 14:53
270

f1b32oPTic
11-21-2003, 15:58
Originally posted by paynter2
I shoot a 6mm Rem and just love it. But, if you want something larger, I'd look at a 7mm-08 or .308. 25-06 and .270 are great - you can't go wrong with either one. I just like the shorter case of the .308 based calibers in a bolt action.

im like you...i love a short bolt travel in a bolt action...

vafish
11-21-2003, 17:40
Well I do most of my deer hunting with a .44 mag handgun, For a rifle I grab a 30-06.

But given your choices I'd go for the .270 just because any place that has ammo will have 30-30, 30-06, and .270

stiletto raggio
11-22-2003, 22:03
270. I think of the 25-06 as a varmint/deer rifle. For a true big game rifle, 270 gives better bullet and load selection.

MyGlockRocks
11-23-2003, 01:00
The 270 and the 30/06 are the same case. Only difference is the neck size. .277 vs .308
I've loaded thousands of 270 by necking down 30/06 cases. Plus, the 270 pushing a 130 grain bullet will out preform a 30/06 pushing a 150 grain. The 270 will take down any game animal on the North American continent. The 270 Rules!

f1b32oPTic
11-23-2003, 01:13
so will a 30-06

but out of the two choices id have to go with the .270 for a long action cartridge...

jjrobo
11-23-2003, 17:23
Originally posted by MyGlockRocks
The 270 and the 30/06 are the same case. Only difference is the neck size. .277 vs .308



I want to add that the 25/06 is the same case as the 30/06 as well. Just necked down to .257. I use both 270 and 30/06 brass if I can get a large quantity cheap.

Skyhook
11-23-2003, 17:34
Same discussion, different day...

I am convinced that for the 99.99% of the shooting most of us have done or will do while hunting, the differences between the 30-06, .270, .308, and even a couple others like the 6.5X55, made or will make absolutely no difference at all if the hunter places the shot and his rifle is sighted-in. Just MHO :cool:

jjrobo
11-23-2003, 17:42
I think Skyhook is right on!

Shot placement is the key. You have to know the limitations of your rifle and have the patients/ethics to stick to it. That goes for a .243 or a 416 rigby.

bbauman
11-23-2003, 20:41
Already have a .30-06, 6 of them actually with another on the way. Was just thinking of getting something different.

txgolfer45
11-23-2003, 20:52
I recently bought the Remington 700 ADL in .270. I added a Leopold VX-I 3-9X40 scope on it. Great combination. Have it zero'ed in. Now I just need to get on a deer lease!

Scott

Skyhook
11-24-2003, 02:45
Quote: "You have to know the limitations of your rifle and have the patients/ethics to stick to it. "

Aha! I knew this discussion would go somewhere! We are now talking maturity and judgement... now wouldn't it be refreshing if all hunters demonstrated those qualities?

I'm not trying to change the subject or hijack this thread, but if more hunters were what jjrobo described, I'd be able to safely wear my camo during deer season here in NewYawk. (Pet pieve)

podwich
11-24-2003, 03:54
Going to have to go with 270-ammo availability.

ithaca_deerslayer
11-24-2003, 10:40
Originally posted by bbauman
[B]6mm Remington looks good but not popular enough.[B]

The popular version of 6mm Rem is called .243 Win.

Short Cut
11-24-2003, 10:49
The .270 is more available but also more widely manufactured in a variety of bullet weights. If it's a toss up I'd go .270 but if you are really set on the .25-06 I'd say go for it and just buy ammo in bigger lots.

knuckle dragger
11-24-2003, 11:53
Both are very good deer guns..I think the .270 is better for all around hunting..

45acp4me
11-24-2003, 13:04
Originally posted by bbauman
Already have a .30-06, 6 of them actually with another on the way. Was just thinking of getting something different.

The .270 isn't different enough from the 30-06 if you ask me. It does all the same things and will take all the same game a 30-06 will. If you are looking for variety, try a 22-250 for varmints or a .243 for a varmint to white tail caliber. Of course you could get wacky and dabble with the .300 and .338 magnums for fun. A cool 45/70 makes a great game gun out to 125 yards as well.

Regards,
Glen

riddleofsteel
11-25-2003, 19:15
The popular version of 6mm Rem is called .243 Win

Boy this an OLD argument.
The 6mm Remington is, of course, the 7X57 case necked down to 6mm and is best chambered in a long action to get the most out of it. Just like the .257 Roberts, 6.5-.284 and the 6.5 X 55 all appear to be short action cartridges but should be chambered in a long action for best performance.
The .243 is a .308 necked down to 6mm {.243) and is a short action cartridge. In most case the 6mm Remington will out pace its smaller .243 cousin by a few dozen feet per second and shoot a little flater to boot.
Of course if you are gonna use a long action why not chamber for a 6mm-06 or .243-06? This is a REAL sleeper cartridge. The 6mm Weatherby is a 6mm-06 with radius shoulders on the case and shoots flat as a lighting bolt.

To answer the ORIGINAL question;

The 25-06 is an excellent deer cartridge. If you are gonna hunt deer in open country the 25-06 will do the job. It is one of the cartridges that really needs at least a 24" barrel to get a good head of steam going. My Remington Sendero has a 26" barrel and its point blank range is just shy of 400 yards.

http://www.yerfrockethellhound.com/SENDERO25-06.JPG
Remington 25-06 Sendero with Leupold 3.5 x 10 Vari X III

The 270 is also an excellent deer/elk cartridge. If you hunt the heavier blacktail deer of the west or limited distance elk you are better served by the 270. Be aware that the 270 does produce some recoil in a light rifle.
Given identical rifle/scope combos in 25-06 and 270 both with 24" barrels; I notice the kick of a 270 hunting load quite a bit more than the 25-06 loads. As a result I shoot the 25-06 much better.

Apart from all that the deer won't know the difference.

Pat S
11-25-2003, 23:27
I've had a 270 for almost 30 years and like the caliber but I think my next rifle will be a .25-06', to be used primarily for deer hunting and possibly antelope. Just for a change.
Pat S.

ithaca_deerslayer
11-26-2003, 07:04
Originally posted by riddleofsteel
Boy this an OLD argument.
The 6mm Remington is, of course, the 7X57 case necked down to 6mm and is best chambered in a long action to get the most out of it. Just like the .257 Roberts, 6.5-.284 and the 6.5 X 55 all appear to be short action cartridges but should be chambered in a long action for best performance.
The .243 is a .308 necked down to 6mm {.243) and is a short action cartridge. In most case the 6mm Remington will out pace its smaller .243 cousin by a few dozen feet per second and shoot a little flater to boot.

Yeah, my brother had a .243 and I had a 6mm, and in the real world of the shooting we were doing there ain't no difference. Except that the .243 is more popular and therefore easier to find factory rounds.

Either is a great choice for a varmit/deer hybrid. Low recoil, flat shooting, hard enough hitting.

slightlyabnorml
11-26-2003, 10:36
My husband uses a 270, He loves it. I preferr my savage model 99 243.(made in the 1950's, lever action, rotary magazine with counter on side.)
It doesnt weigh a ton, or kick like a mule, but it gets the job done.
Also as far as availability of shells, you can get 270's anywhere around here. they are very popular.

we reload so that's not a problem for us.
My husband would vote in favor of the 270, i honestly think that he will be expecting it to be buried with him:)

PlasticGuy
12-01-2003, 23:16
I believe that 95% of American hunters are using more gun than they need. Most of the people using 3" 12 guages could get as many (or more) birds in the bag if they used a 20 guage and just didn't miss so often. I would say the same thing about most deer hunters. Most deer don't even require a .308, let alone the .338 Butt Stomper Magnums that many seem to be buying these days. Many hunters would be better served with a .243 simply because the lighter recoil will allow them to shoot more accurately.

The .25-06 has more than enough power for any deer and has relatively light recoil. Of the two choices, that would be my #1 pick. I don't see ammo availability as an issue. One box is more than enough to check your zero a couple of times and kill a deer. Why would you need to buy more when out hunting? And it's not like the .25-06 is a wildcat -- any large sporting goods store will have some.

Skyhook
12-02-2003, 07:13
"I believe that 95% of American hunters are using more gun than they need.PlasticGuy

I agree. This comment also reminded me of the time I picked up my special-order 300 Win Mag that I planned to use for elk, moose and brown bear hunts. At the shop stood a older guy who began telling me what a great white tail deer gun that was. He had one he said and used it for years. The shop owner commented on that saying that most shots in this area are well short of 100 yds., to which the guy replied, "I don't like chasing wounded deer down." Well, there's that! ;f

ithaca_deerslayer
12-02-2003, 08:03
Originally posted by PlasticGuy
I believe that 95% of American hunters are using more gun than they need.

Could be. But on the other hand, why not use the max that you can shoot well that doesn't destroy the meat around the hit?

Let's look at an extreme.
Hunter A uses a .22
Hunter B uses a .30-06

Hunter A can shoot at 75 yards, between the ribs, hit the heart, and kill the deer. Why should anybody use anything more powerful? Huh? Just place your shots.

Hunter B shoots at 75 yards, and if his hit is within 3" of the heart, he'll likely take out the heart too, and kill the deer. He has larger marin of error than Hunter B's .22.

Hunter C uses a bazooka, and when he hits the heart he also tends to take out the entire front shoulder and most of the hindquarters. Hunter C uses too much gun.

Hunter D uses a .300 Win mag. He can't shoot it well because the recoil makes him flinch. He aims for the heart, and hits the gut, and then tracks a wounded deer all day.

Hunter C uses a .300 Win mag. He can shoot it great. He aims for the heart, and puts the deer down. With the bullets he uses, the front shoulder meat is fine.

So, what is the right gun to use for deer?

Skyhook
12-02-2003, 20:07
ithaca... been a bad day, huh?

Short Cut
12-02-2003, 21:29
Originally posted by PlasticGuy
I don't see ammo availability as an issue. One box is more than enough to check your zero a couple of times and kill a deer. Why would you need to buy more when out hunting? And it's not like the .25-06 is a wildcat -- any large sporting goods store will have some.

I agree with you. Sure ammo availability is a good thing but like you said if it is factory loaded it shouldn't be a big deciding factor. I'd be more concerned about how well you shoot it and having adequate loadings and bullet weights available that are suitable for what you are hunting.

Buy a half a dozen boxes of hunting ammo and you'll have plenty to zero your rifle, check your zero when you arrive at your hunting grounds if you have travelled far to get there, and plenty enough to hunt with for a couple seasons. If you are travelling for your hunt and you won't be in direct control of your luggage, divide up your boxes of ammo between at least two bags so that if one gets lost your still in business.

Let us know what you decide on so that we can get a vicarious thrill. :)

PlasticGuy
12-02-2003, 22:55
Originally posted by ithaca_deerslayer
Let's look at an extreme.
Hunter A uses a .22
Hunter B uses a .30-06
Good idea, but poor examples. The .22 is extreme, while the .30-06 is certainly not. A better set of examples would be the .22 and the .460 Magnum. But neither of those is a good choice for deer, so it proves nothing.

What we are comparing is two cartridges that will both reliably kill deer. I stand by my statement that if you have two cartridges that will both reliably kill what you are hunting, you are probably better served by the one with the least recoil.

ithaca_deerslayer
12-03-2003, 06:31
Originally posted by PlasticGuy
I stand by my statement that if you have two cartridges that will both reliably kill what you are hunting, you are probably better served by the one with the least recoil.

I agree. The key being "reliably". Usually the gun with bigger recoil has a higher "reliably" factor. Up to a point. After that you just get a sore shoulder and a bad flinch, and then the "reliably" factor actually goes down.