How a about a forum for Veteran's?

[SparrowHawk]

How about setting up a spot for us Vet's to gather and tell sea stories, war stories and the like. I know I have a few shipmates here. Forum would not just be for us Squids...

[gunsite]

how about a military forum, for past, present and future service people or military topics...;?

[SparrowHawk]

A FOOD FORUM??????

[JaviFL]

Here is another vote for a military forum.

[mindonmatter]

I'm not in the military, but I think it's a good idea. Count my vote.

[SparrowHawk]

Wmarden
Senior Member

Registered: Aug 2002
Location:

Or even just one for military issues. Current and veterans.


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[SparrowHawk]

fireguy129
No Ideas Here

Registered: May 2001
Location: Wilkes-Barre Pa, usa


That may not be a bad idea. Are we talking social issues affecting those who have served? Id be interested!


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sensei
Senior Member

Registered: May 2003
Location: Friendswood, Tx.

I can see some good coming from it. Such as helping someone find a solution to problems. Such as helping with paperwork when dealing with govn't agencies, etc.

As far a wannabes, It won't take long to uncover them. They will eventually give themselves away. If you have any doubts, ask specifics. Bet you won't get a reply to your questions. Who cares anyway, if thats how they get their kicks, let them try. They'll know they are lying and they are not fooling anyone. Anyone who has actually been there will know.

Just my thoughts,

sensei

USAF 1964-1968
Viet Nam May 1967 - Oct 1968


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truckstop cop
Senior Member

Registered: May 2003
Location: TN

i would love too see it happen. thought i would never want nothing to do with the military after i retired, but it is in my blood,i mean it was my life and still is for the most part. i say great idea..


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[SparrowHawk]

Registered: Dec 2000
Location: Central Virginia


I think it would be a good idea. It's a forum for those who have been to catch up on things and those who want to be to ask questions.


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[SparrowHawk]

pierrebazukhov
hangin' out

Registered: Nov 2001
Location: on my couch

It would be a great way for newbies to get info from been there done that's.


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[SparrowHawk]

xcrewman
Desk Jockey

Registered: Jul 2001
Location: USA

Hot diggity...gives me a place to fart around.


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Steve in PA
Senior Member

Registered: Mar 2000
Location: Northeastern Pennsylvania

Wouldn't mind a Vet Forum either

Semper Fi


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Harrison
Quiet Member

Registered: Oct 2001
Location: North Texas

I think a Vet's forum would be great. Although I am another one that didn't get shot at in my 8 years (surface nuke sailor), it would be fun to learn about other's experiences.

H

USN 73-81


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SgtG
Member

Registered: Aug 2001
Location: London, Ky. USA

I, for one, love the idea.

That is, if you'll allow a lowly infantry medic in the club.



Jeff

[hy5z]

I had to give the Pennsylvania forum idea the thumbs down. But I like the idea of a mil/vet forum. Seems to fit like a glove with the GT mission.

Veteran forum... you're goin' to Hollywood dawg!

[SparrowHawk]

RepublicanMan
Senior Member

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Bucks County PA

Although I am not real keen on being reminded of the day I spent looking for Frequency Grease, a box of grid squares and a ground guide assembly........I reckon I could go for Vet forum. Did my time in the Army in Germany (including our little excursion to the sandbox in 90-91) as a RATT tech.....then reclassed as a Radio and Crypto tech and got sent to USASOC at Bragg for about 6 years

[mwelch8404]

I'd like to see a Vets forum.

[SparrowHawk]

BTT

[Razor]

Okay, I'm in.

USAF '91-'95

[Blitzer]

Count me in on this Vet's forum! http://home.att.net/~blinter1657/graphic/fogivethem-arrangethemeeting.jpg

[Patricia]

I'm the daughter of a veteran, wife of a veteran, and mother of a future veteran. You have my support and my vote, as long as you don't mind if I poke my head in from time to time to say hello. ;?

[vart]

Putting in my official vote!

[ExNavyInHouston]

I am always up for a conversation about the military. I was a late bloomer and joined the Navy when I was 27 years old. I stayed in for 9 years and loved every day I served.

Let's get it on.

Navy

[WolfmanGK]

Yeah I'm cool with a vet forum.

[glockjeeper]

I'm in.....ARMY boy here.

[SwampDruid]

Count me in...

[Alex_Knight]

Count me in.

[ghostwn]

Count me in

;?

[ltgibson2001]

Count me in too....but you can't have a forum about the military without lot's of profanity. I think it's against some article of the UCMJ if you do...:)

[RF7126]

I'll vote for it.

[dlupini]

count me in

[cowboywannabe]

a veteran's section would be nice, but if youve ever read some of the idiotic theory and opnion on law in the cop section.... geez, i can imagine the crap we'de get in a vet. section from all the fake navy seals........


im all for segregating poeple if they are willing to herd themselves, but be prepared for alot of moderator intervention.

[pt945]

count me in ;? ^c

[CheesyD]

A Vet forum sounds good to me.

USAF 1976-1980

[SparrowHawk]

Originally posted by cowboywannabe
...I can imagine the crap we'de get in a vet. section from all the fake navy seals........
... be prepared for alot of moderator intervention.

Would you happen to mean we'd hear from a POS like this A/H?

NAME: Consiglio, Frank
FALSE CLAIM: SEAL - Team 6 - Grenada - "underwater hit man"
CITY: Haverstraw
STATE: New York
DATE POSTED: 28 OCT 2001
RATING: * * * * *
COMMENTS: Still making claims, AND has a Navy SEAL tattoo!
Member of: Rockland County Sheriff's Dept(Corrections) Rockland County Haz-Mat, Haverstraw Fire Department!! Says the paperwork does NOT indicate he was a SEAL because of his "classified status". As of 10/19/2002 (Dec-03) we were informed he is still making his SEAL claims along with saying he has had other jobs such as Mafia bodyguard for John Gotti and personal security for the NY Giants players in the 1980's.

I had the misfortune of having worked with this jerk! He felt he could confide in me because I am a Navy Vet. When I heard some of his stories, I was truly amazed at the garbage he could spew. Did you know he tested the liquid breathing mask system? Come on you saw it in the movie The Abyss. He swam to shore in Panama, I always thought it was a Air Mission? Body Guard stories are great, he saw guys get "wacked!"
An Army Vet. Inquired as to Frank being a SEAL after hearing a few of the "stories." Thus the posting to the Wall of Shame! Frankie boy was a bit upset with this but never offered any proof otherwise to dispute his being on the wall of shame. We never got to see his DD-214 that he claims is stamped TOP SECRET, even though he was going to show it to some of us Vets because we'd understand.
The Corrections Department noted above also has a Vietnam War Era DESERTER in charge of it's Honor Guard. But I'll leave claims that this POS made for another day.
It turely sucked to have worked with these two clowns. Enough for now.

[SparrowHawk]

Sunday, February 15, 2004
A Daughter Speaks Out

Laura Bartholomew Armstrong The Vietnamization of the 2004 presidential campaign has unfortunately begun, thanks to the likely democratic nominee.

But John Kerry's service, while admirable, doesn't exist in a vacuum. His lengthy Senate record is at long odds with his short naval career, just as his vote to send troops to liberate Iraq is at odds with his later vote not to fund the mission. His supporters ask us to note his heroism in combat. Ok. We will. He even seems like a pretty nice guy. But the documented hypocrisy of those who USE his service to gain power to further their anti-military agenda is worthy of a closer look.

I'm the daughter of LTCol. Roger J. (Black Bart) Bartholomew, a First Cav aerial rocket artillary helicopter pilot who was killed in Vietnam on Thanksgiving day, 1968. (I was 8 years old). I'm a former journalist with a military newspaper, a U.S. Marine widow, and the ardent admirer of an active duty Marine Corps Master Gunnery Sgt. who has been deployed for over a year. I follow and write often on military and veteran's issues, and support our Commander-in-Chief and his policies in the war against terrorism.

For months, we've heard liberal critics of American foreign policy, including democratic candidates, claim they "support the troops" -- but they're obviously hoping we have short memories. Many of us will never forget the hundreds of attorneys they dispatched to Florida in 2000 to make sure military absentee ballots did not get counted. That was after they initiated rules making it more difficult to vote on overseas military bases.

Kerry and his party traditionally oppose Pentagon funding, new equipment, etc. and generally make life miserable for our services on Capitol Hill. I still get hot over the fact that the same liberals who sneered at the concept of duct tape keeping us safe last year...are the same congressmen who find it acceptable when our brave and resourceful Marines must use it to hold together 40-year-old helicopters in combat (no lie, my brother Jay, a CH-46 pilot, used it during the first Gulf War, and our guys are still flying those same helicopters a decade later).

These folks, Kerry supporters, are the ones who would support my high school social studies teacher, a draft-dodger who in 1976 banished me to the library for the duration of our Vietnam unit because I questioned his one-sided presentation of our troops as baby killers. Dare I say, these are the same people who spit on our guys back in the '60's, disdained them in the '70's...

These were the people who mocked 1992 vice-presidential candidate Admiral James Stockdale, a true hero and former POW, after his hearing aid (legacy of Viet Cong torture masters) gave him trouble during televised debates.

They downplayed Bob Dole's military service in 1996. And these are the same people who just last year yelled anti-military slurs at dependents driving vehicles with DoD stickers -- even picked on military kids about what their daddies did for a living. These are the Americans who holler "No War for

Oil" and "Bush Lies". Oh, they love to enjoy the liberties of our land, at the same time disdaining the great Americans who actually risk their lives to ensure them. Until, of course, their candidate can claim that service on his resume.

Kerry has tried to distance himself from some anti-war activists, but his actions and his senate votes speak louder than his words.

As the kid of a real war hero who did NOT come back, I'd like to comment

not on his service, but on those post-service activities. Vietnam Vets Against the War, Kerry's organization of choice when he returned from his shortened tour of duty in Vietnam (and his springboard to fame), was known to me even as a child. The organization, while providing a place for angst-ridden vets to land after coming home, had an AWFUL effect on those of us who lost our fathers.

It was bad enough to hear our dads criticized by those who hated the military, but to hear vets allege rampant war crimes and call their fellow soldiers evil before all the world really twisted the knife. And Kerry led the way, proud in the company of Jane Fonda and others we believed had caused the deaths of good men. This group's testimony tarnished honorable actions. After taking the oath to preserve and protect, they grandstanded, throwing service awards in a show of defiance that diminished each sacrifice. Their stories dominated while the stories of thousands of honorable vets went untold.

After so many years, I don't hold it against them, but I'm dead sure I don't want their darling Kerry, the man who voted against funding our guys in Operation Iraqi Freedom, to be our next commander in chief.

In 2004, nothing is more important than continuing to protect America and fight terrorism. President Bush has led, not perfectly, but ernestly, in my opinion. He has put much on the line to do what he believes is right. And he needs our continued support in the months to come.

Sincerely,

Laura Bartholomew Armstrong Laura Armstrong
Marietta, Georgia Feb. 10, 2004
lbarmstrong3378@comcast.net


Laura B. Armstrong is a free-lance writer.

Another squid here. And I'm in.

[Sta. 18]

I'm in, but I agree with others that it should also be current Military & those thinking of joining.

[Marzipan]

this is a brilliant idea!!!!!!

[SparrowHawk]

More Grunts, Jar Heads, Zoomies, Squids, Shallow Water Sailors needed!
Hello Eric we have reach the goal of 50 folks wanting to start a Veterans Forum. Here's who we have so far.

1. Sparrow Hawk
2. Gun Site
3. JaviFL
4. Mind on Matter
5. W Marden
6. Fire Guy 129
7. Sensei
8. Truck Stop Cop
9. Pierre Bazukhov
10. X Crew Man
11. Steve in Pa.
12. Harrison
13. Sgt. G
14. Hy5z
15. Republican Man
16. M Welch 8404
17. Razor
18. Blitzer
19. Side Armor
20. Vart
21. Ex Navy In Houston
22. Wolfman GK
23. Glock Jeeper
24. Swamp Druid
25. Alex Knight
26. Ghost Twn
27. It Gibson 2001
28. RF726
29. Dlupini
30. Cow Boy Wanna Be
31. Pt 945
32. Cheesy D
33. Hey Mo
34. Sta. 18
35. T Scott W99
36. Mr V Max
37. Marzipan
38. Daddy Det
39. Xromad
40. Bonk
41. Bilbo Baggins
42. Gary 42141
43. Tr Cubed
44. George . Mack
45. Delta
46. Biker 13
47. Sam Fisher
48. Omega 5
49. md21gyk
50. Gun Boat 1
51. Alpha 4
52. Glock Cowboy
53. eisman
54. Dyproti
55. Bill The Cat
56. Red Dawn

That should do it, thank Folks, now to inform our leader Eric!

[A_Swede_17_1911]

yeah count me in to,still on active duty just got back from Iraq 2 Months ago, 3/325 AIR 82nd ABN DIV,

[Chopperdog]

Count me in too!! Prior USN, hope you don't mind an airdale though.................

You can take the man out of the Navy, but you can't take the Navy out of the man.

[KB4IFS]

NAVY: Never Again Volunteer Yourself.
I'm prepared to be suspect of others military achievements, including my own. I'm in.

[SparrowHawk]

Originally posted by Chopperdog
Count me in too!! Prior USN, hope you don't mind an airdale though.................
You can take the man out of the Navy, but you can't take the Navy out of the man.

As a former ABH-2, nope I have no problems you coming on board!

[SparrowHawk]

Back to the top with an updated list:

1. Sparrow Hawk
2. Gun Site
3. JaviFL
4. Mind on Matter
5. W Marden
6. Fire Guy 129
7. Sensei
8. Truck Stop Cop
9. Pierre Bazukhov
10. X Crew Man
11. Steve in Pa.
12. Harrison
13. Sgt. G
14. Hy5z
15. Republican Man
16. M Welch 8404
17. Razor
18. Blitzer
19. Side Armor
20. Vart
21. Ex Navy In Houston
22. Wolfman GK
23. Glock Jeeper
24. Swamp Druid
25. Alex Knight
26. Ghost Twn
27. It Gibson 2001
28. RF726
29. Dlupini
30. Cow Boy Wanna Be
31. Pt 945
32. Cheesy D
33. Hey Mo
34. Sta. 18
35. T Scott W99
36. Mr V Max
37. Marzipan
38. Daddy Det
39. Xromad
40. Bonk
41. Bilbo Baggins
42. Gary 42141
43. Tr Cubed
44. George . Mack
45. Delta
46. Biker 13
47. Sam Fisher
48. Omega 5
49. md21gyk
50. Gun Boat 1
51. Alpha 4
52. Glock Cowboy
53. eisman
54. Dyproti
55. Bill The Cat
56. Red Dawn
57. Cow Gunner
58. Cliff B.
59. Spetsnaz777
60. Ak Stick
61. Sam Spade
62. Naja Boy
63. Matt Bracken
64. Rybs
65. Dwavs
66. Ram Jet 38
67. Matthew 26
68. Epeescott
69. No Go
70. Sdan
71. Greg 2505
72. Carlos C
73. Roland G23
74. A Swede 17 1911
75. Chopper Dog
76. KB4IFS
77. Wolfman GK

[Chopperdog]

Originally posted by SparrowHawk
As a former ABH-2, nope I have no problems you coming on board!

Great!! I was an AE in the Nav. Had some good times, and of course some not so good times. It will be great to have a forum here to share some old sea stories.

[pebbs]

I'm in...

[Patricia]

I am now able to set up the new clubs myself. I'm so sorry that the idea of a Veteran's Forum went on so long without one. I'd be honored to set it up now though. SparrowHawk, I know your feelings on the matter and I can't contact you privately because you don't accept PM's any longer. If whoever is still interested would get together and come up with a title and description, I will get the club set up right away. For the time being, there won't be an official mod, but please do think of a choice for one. Eric is in the process of doing some changes to the mod catagories, so one can't be officically added until then.

[gunsite]

OORAH!!! MY VOTE IS FOR A " MILITARY FORUM " SO NO ONE WHO SERVED THAT DIDN'T GO TO A POLICE ACTION/WAR/ OR CONFLICT COUNTRY WILL FEEL LEFT OUT.

[Patricia]

gunsite, it is my understanding that anyone who has served in the military is considered a veteran.

[gunsite]

sometimes when you here the word veteran, some people may associate veteran with a war/police action campaign...JMO

[Chopperdog]

Count me in. 'Veteran's Forum' sounds good to me.

[Patricia]

Originally posted by Chopperdog
Count me in. 'Veteran's Forum' sounds good to me.

Sounds good to me too. :) Do you have any suggestions on a description?

[RF7126]

For those who served and related topics?

[SparrowHawk]

Originally posted by Sidearmor
I am now able to set up the new clubs myself. I'm so sorry that the idea of a Veteran's Forum went on so long without one. I'd be honored to set it up now though. SparrowHawk, I know your feelings on the matter and I can't contact you privately because you don't accept PM's any longer. If whoever is still interested would get together and come up with a title and description, I will get the club set up right away. For the time being, there won't be an official mod, but please do think of a choice for one. Eric is in the process of doing some changes to the mod catagories, so one can't be officically added until then.

Originally posted by Sidearmor
SparrowHawk, I have tried to be as gracious as possible with you. I explained the reason for the delay in setting up the Veteran's forum. and contacted you recently about it. You told me you were no longer interested, then turned off your PM feature. Since Eric has now instructed me in setting up club's, I posted an announcement in the Clubhouse Office this morning about setting it up. If you are not interested, I'm really sorry, but I gave it every effort that I could.
Listen people, the idea in setting up this new club was NOT to cause more things to bicker about. There really is no making some people happy.

paraphrased from a post by Sidearmor
...The internet in general, and message boards in particular, allow a very ugly side of human nature to be more exposed. For one thing, due to the general anonymity of being online, some people can say things without being accountable for it. It is one thing to insult someone to their face, you have to be prepared for the consequences. It is another to say it behind the security of a monitor.... Guess that can work both ways in your case.

Originally posted by 10 Ring Tao
If I win the lottery, I'm opening a series of servers that track IP addresses. Habitual TK'ers will be tracked down, verified, and then visited at home and given a solid ass beating.
in response from Sidearmor
What a fascinating idea! I can think of many people who would change their tune. I can think of one and it's not me.

Guess I must be one of those unhappy people you've mentioned. I have told you repeatedly Thank You for your help. I did that both openly in posting and in the PM I sent you. That doesn't seem to have sunk in. Thick head, thin skinned? So one last time Thank You for all your effort and the time you have given my suggestion! I am no longer interested in being a mod for the Veterans Forum, I told you that in a PM, but you feel you have to let the world know over and over again. If you feel like setting one up with the precious little room you have to spare here, knock yourself out. You know how to contact me, use your god like magic Mod powers! You contacted me when I put some POS "I would have- could have- should have- joined Rangers/Seals/Recon/Special Opps and been a killer," but I'm scared and have a medical excuse scum bag in it's place.
Yes, sadly Eric was laid up in the Hospital, I'm was sorry to hear that. I'm glad he's out and doing better. I'm sorry he couldn't leave this site in more capable hands. Locking threads doesn't take all that much brain power.
Don't like what the guy/gal has to say, bang lock it. Post rubs you the wrong way, bang lock it. If I feel the two clowns were catered to that's my opinion. The fluff garbage was getting out of hand but they are given a space to conduct this nonsense and this too is my opinion. I've enjoyed most of my time here. Yeah, I don't get along with everybody, oh well, get over it and move on. You don't want to do that and keep throwing my name around. That's OK, It's your red sand box on a blue toy day, and I've shown up with green toys. But lady you got a bug up your ass with my name on it, it's time to **** it out!
Now take out your crying towel, blow your nose, write a response and lock the thread, isn't that how it works? Kick me out, off, what ever this is not the only game in town. I'm a bit fed up with the abusive moderator attitude anyway.

[Gary42141]

So is the Veteran's Forum going to happen, or not?

[Chopperdog]

Originally posted by Sidearmor
Sounds good to me too. :) Do you have any suggestions on a description?

Something like 'a forum for those who served, past and present'. If anyone has any better ideas, please post them.

Is this forum really going to happen?

[Patricia]

Originally posted by SparrowHawk
Guess that can work both ways in your case.


I can think of one and it's not me.

Guess I must be one of those unhappy people you've mentioned. I have told you repeatedly Thank You for your help. I did that both openly in posting and in the PM I sent you. That doesn't seem to have sunk in. Thick head, thin skinned? So one last time Thank You for all your effort and the time you have given my suggestion! I am no longer interested in being a mod for the Veterans Forum, I told you that in a PM, but you feel you have to let the world know over and over again. If you feel like setting one up with the precious little room you have to spare here, knock yourself out. You know how to contact me, use your god like magic Mod powers! You contacted me when I put some POS "I would have- could have- should have- joined Rangers/Seals/Recon/Special Opps and been a killer," but I'm scared and have a medical excuse scum bag in it's place.
Yes, sadly Eric was laid up in the Hospital, I'm was sorry to hear that. I'm glad he's out and doing better. I'm sorry he couldn't leave this site in more capable hands. Locking threads doesn't take all that much brain power.
Don't like what the guy/gal has to say, bang lock it. Post rubs you the wrong way, bang lock it. If I feel the two clowns were catered to that's my opinion. The fluff garbage was getting out of hand but they are given a space to conduct this nonsense and this too is my opinion. I've enjoyed most of my time here. Yeah, I don't get along with everybody, oh well, get over it and move on. You don't want to do that and keep throwing my name around. That's OK, It's your red sand box on a blue toy day, and I've shown up with green toys. But lady you got a bug up your ass with my name on it, it's time to **** it out!
Now take out your crying towel, blow your nose, write a response and lock the thread, isn't that how it works? Kick me out, off, what ever this is not the only game in town. I'm a bit fed up with the abusive moderator attitude anyway.

Abusive attitude?? You have to be kidding me. The only comment directed toward you was because of your comment in the thread in GnG about the Ox & Alex forum.


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Originally posted by CompensateThis!
Oh sure, the nippletweakers get their own forum, but my simple request for an optics forum goes completely ignored.

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=239027

Yes, this was a shameless plug at the expense of the aforementioned nippletweakers
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I can relate to that.

I guess the times I contacted you trying to help you get this starting, including help with your sig line don't count huh. What in the hell would you think I have to gain from this? I guess it just didn't occur to you that I wanted to help. It sure seems like you have more issues with me that just setting up a forum. It might have been nice if you have chosen to address those with me privately, but I guess it was just easier to knock me in public. I have no bug up my ass with your name on it, but you might want to check your rear end. My only intention was to try to help.

To the rest of the people interested in this. I will set the forum up later this morning, with ChopperDog's description. That is what I was waiting for.

[Eddie C.]

SparrowHawk, Patricia went over and beyond what she should of to get these forums going for all of you. She has never done this before. Not only is she a business owner, runs a family, and Administers to web site that seems like everyone wants their stuff yesterday, she has to put up with everyone's BS. You were way out of line on this. You owe her an apology. You have cast a poor light on our brave veterans. She has volunteered to take on a whole bunch more work here for one, to help Eric while he is on the mend, and two, to help everyone here have a real nice site to come to and enjoy. She can just say the hell with it and let everyone fend for themselves. She doesn't need this aggravation, believe me. I talk to her daily and she has more on her plate to take up 25 hours in a day than come here and help all of us. You should be ashamed of yourself. I am disappointed in your actions.

She told me many times over the last few weeks how she wanted to get the forum for veterans going and felt bad because of communication problems with everyone, including Eric who was in ill health. Now because she didn't do a back flip and set it up on a dime, which she didn't know how to do until the other day, you have to demoralize her publicly. She is the last person who deserves that on this site.

If she agrees to set this site up, which for the life of me I don't know why she would now, she will entertain offers from people who appreciate what she does and want to be involved. I hope the other veterans have a bit more compassion and honor than you have shown.
Eddie C.

[Patricia]

The club is set up. As I mentioned previously, for the time being, there won't be an official mod, but please do think of a choice for one. Eric is in the process of doing some changes to the mod catagories, so one can't be officically added until then.

[Compy]

Sparrowhawk- How much do you pay to visit this site? How much time do you put in to make sure everything runs smoothly?

It's too bad Patricia isn't perfect enough for you. You need to do some serious reflection before chastizing someone else. What makes you better?

[SparrowHawk]

some parts originally posted by Eddie C. or at least the parts I want to answer!
You were way out of line on this.
You owe her an apology.
You have cast a poor light on our brave veterans.
She doesn't need this agravation, believe me.. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I am disappointed in your actions.
you have to demoralize her publicly. She is the last person who deserves that on this site.
If she agrees to set this site up, which for the life of me I don't know why she would now, she will entertain offers from people who appreciate what she does and want to be involved.
I hope the other veterans have a bit more compassion and honor than you have shown.
Eddie C.

.;l, .;l

Ok, hear ye, hear ye, now the Fluff Jester, grand appointed master of all that is has jumped on the band wagon and will spew his version of magic mod krap for the entranced masses. Let me take your motion to defend, point by point or at least the ones I care to answer.
I am not out of line defending myself and never will be. If you can't handle it being harsh then don't start in on me. I have thanked the Magic Wand Waving Princess Mod for her time repeatedly. In fact in ever action she took to assist me, she was thanked. What more was expected? Maybe a big ass kissing post toting her as a gift to all us poor non mod pee ons?
I owe her nor you nothing, she's been thanked over and over. Others have been thanked when the need has been there.
I cast poor light on Veterans, now that's a very funny remark. You could have explained how I have done that. I have done nothing but defend Vets on this site. I never stated anything from a Vet's point of view in regard to the forum not being set up. I have done more to help my fellow Vets in a single day then you more than likely have done thus far in your life!
I don't need this continuing garbage either. She insisted on tossing my name in to the frae. Why, to come up with an excuse not to set up a forum because no Mod was available? Her actions are deemed and defended as being warranted?
I don't give a rat's ass if you are personally ashamed, disappointed, or anything else I am not on this site to impress you or anybody for that matter.
By her carrying on the postings she brought this on herself. Maybe she needs to be put into check every now and then. A little authority tends to make peoples head swell. Abuse of authority is no excuse, restraint should have been shown it was not. This tit for tat stuff is really a waste of time and effort on all our parts.
It be great if a Military or Veterans forum was/is set up. But it is of no consequence to myself. There are numerous Vets sites, largely and oh so very thankfully run by Vets which makes a world difference. Oh, and I wanted and want to be involved. I don't think I could objectively be a mod on a site that sand crabs might bash vets. So after more consideration I did not want the title of Magic Wand Waver (re: Moderator) of the Military/Vets Forum.
Compassion or compensation? You have not a clue!
Honor, what Sir, do you know about that subject? There is more Honor in the tip of my little finger then you'll ever know. No, I showed Honor in defending myself when I felt I was being continually ridiculed.
Continue to feed the clowns, they need a care taker, nice to know they have found one in you. Remain the ring leader at the circus, someone has to wear the top hat.
Show me Haze Gray and Underway if you feel it will help. But change your score board in favor of yourself. Shake your head in victory, my your enlarged ego be carried well. ;Q

[SparrowHawk]

Originally posted by CompensateThis!
Sparrowhawk- How much do you pay to visit this site? How much time do you put in to make sure everything runs smoothly?
It's too bad Patricia isn't perfect enough for you. You need to do some serious reflection before chastizing someone else. What makes you better?

Thank you Doctor!

You go hold her hand if you'd like.

But you feel free to hammer away at me, are you better now?

[Eric]

SparrowHawk, you are bitter, rude son of a ***** and you are no longer welcome on this site. I don't know what your problem is and I don't really care. There is absolutely no reason in the world that justifies your behavior. Patricia is one of the nicest people I have ever met and your conduct towards her has been despicable. You need to take a hard look at yourself buddy. Eric