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Skyhook
01-26-2004, 05:43
$20.4 million gone in a flash.. but the pilot survived, thank goodness.
What I thought was interesting was the pre-programming aspect of the altitude choice the pilot made which actually caused the loss of the ship.

http://www.af.mil/media_center/Jan-Mar2004/0121045.shtml

engineer151515
01-26-2004, 07:44
I'm glad the pilot's OK. Plus, after the error, he maneuvered to miss the croud, before ejecting himself with a .8 second margin of escape. Not bad. I remember with the T-bird diamond 4 flew into the ground killing 4 (back in the early 1990's?). High risk stuff.

ScubaSven
01-26-2004, 10:02
Link with diagram of crash reconstruction (http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Jan-22-Thu-2004/news/23048210.html)

Skyhook
01-26-2004, 14:28
Ok, the pilot had performed that same maneuver "200 times"!! I guess the pros can and do make mistakes. Contributing factor might be something as inocuous as a slight/early virus infection, some minor deviation in sleep routine... you name it.
Point is be aware of the business, it will kill the unsuspecting.

Wulfenite
01-26-2004, 15:47
I wonder why they dont have a special altimiter for acrobatics that can be zeroed at field elevation so that the numbers wouldent have to be calculated based on field elevation at each venue.

C150J
01-26-2004, 16:50
http://agroantirrhopus.50megs.com/T-Bird%206%20front%20ejectResized.jpg

'nuff said.

Patriot328
01-26-2004, 18:10
MAN LOOK AT THOSE FRONT SLATS!!!

Skyhook
01-27-2004, 05:20
Thanks, C150J, I had received that photo in my email but lost it.
Outstanding! One also has to wonder about the photog, eh?

Wulfenite
01-27-2004, 19:00
The other thing to notice is the haze (water vapor) on the top surface of the wing. This suggests the AOA is very high with a resultant HIGH G load.......... Then the pilot lit off the rocket under his seat. I wonder how much shorter he is today.

flybywire
01-27-2004, 19:50
Originally posted by Patriot328
MAN LOOK AT THOSE FRONT SLATS!!!
The slats maneuver automatically proportionally to the AOA (in this case quite high), and as I recall, align themselves approximately into the relative wind. Looks like he had recovered the nose (to above level), but the AOA was so high he was descending rapidly(obviously).

Look at the "dig" the rear stabs have - he had a lot of aft stick just prior to pulling the handle.

Texas T
01-27-2004, 21:29
Do fighters carry flight data recorders like commercial airliners? Do any of the military aircraft carry them?


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flybywire
01-28-2004, 02:24
Originally posted by Texas T
Do fighters carry flight data recorders like commercial airliners? Do any of the military aircraft carry them?T
My information is a little dated, but as of about 10 yrs ago, no fighters carried flight data recorders. However, with current electronic flight controls, etc., I wouldn't be surprised if some data couldn't be recovered at a crash site.

I don't know about the heavies.

9x19mm
01-28-2004, 04:49
And here is the video

www.f-16.net/PhotoGallery/album44/aby.mpg

Stay Safe ;)

Wulfenite
01-28-2004, 07:49
Thats great.

Its a pretty smooth hi-res video, but the ejection sequence is only 2 frames that I could detect. He's flying, the canopy is off and he's a little compressed, he's out except for his foot, then the screen is dark where the video is lost (crash presumably).

Looking at the elevator its hard to detect any control surface movement. I wonder if that means he was at full direction or if its just a bad camera angle.

Wulfenite
01-28-2004, 07:52
Another cool picture sequence of the same crash. http://www.authphoto.com/maatbirds/tbpage.htm

C150J
01-28-2004, 15:48
Here's an un-cropped, hi-res version of the pic I posted (notice the parking lot below him!)...

http://jetcareers.com/images/eject.jpg

J.

M2 Carbine
01-28-2004, 21:13
Is that some picture, or what?;P

Skyhook
01-29-2004, 06:56
That pic makes my pulse quicken and my palms sweat. Close encounter!!

Wulfenite
01-29-2004, 09:03
I bet he caught heck from his wife when she saw that.

flybywire
01-30-2004, 21:22
Originally posted by engineer151515
I'm glad the pilot's OK. Plus, after the error, he maneuvered to miss the croud, before ejecting himself with a .8 second margin of escape. Not bad.
Looking at the cockpit mounted recording, I see no evidence of maneuvering to avoid the crowd - that would have been left or right turns. (There was never any need to.) Once on his back, his pull thru the split-s was straight thru, wings level.

From that video, note he selected AB (left arm outboard and forward) about 2 sec before ejecting. That's probably about the time he knew he was in real trouble. You can see from the still pic of the ejection that the AB was lit, (orange light behind the acft; all the fire/smoke over top the acft is from the rocket on the seat) The split-s maneuver is normally done in mil power.

He also grabbed the ejection handle with the left hand only while continuing to fly with the right hand. You're taught to pull the eject handle with both hands, but in this case continuing to pull back on the stick with the right hand until seat sequence was an excellent move that may have saved his life. He made an excellent split decision to eject. Others may have ridden it in (in denial).

Originally posted by engineer151515
I remember with the T-bird diamond 4 flew into the ground killing 4 (back in the early 1990's?). High risk stuff.
Jan 82, killing Lt Col Norm Lowery and Capts Pete Peterson, Willie Mays, and Mark Melancon. I knew all 4 very well.