Glock 18

[Clipper]

I got a few questions about the gun. I am probably not the only one to ask these questions.
Can you get hollow tips to work with it?
Is it legal to own one? I heard it is and if it is, why? You can buy a machine gun that is way more powerfull. I'm guessing since its soo small and powerfull you can carry it around and thats why its illegal. Fact is that I'm dieing to get my hands on one or two.
Where can I get one?

[JayAK]

Use the search option, there is about a million threads on this topic....

I will do my best to answer....

1. I asume HP ammo would work fine

2. Is it legal to own one?? depends....do you live in the US?
If so are you a gov agent or LE.... are you a dealer of class 3 weapons....I am going out on a limb here.....and I am guessing that the answer is no......Thus, the answer to your question is also NO....you can never own a G18

3. If it is why....IT would be legal if there wasn't a ban on civies buying newly mnfgt. full autos, but since the late 80's I think 86 it may have been 89 it has not been legal to buy or sell a new full auto to the common man....

4.Yes, you can buy more powerful full auto's but they were bought b4 the ban, thus they are legal to own......It has nothing to do with size or caliber....

5. You can get your hands on one at a shooting range that has one for rent.....there are a few out there.

Exceptions...... The only way I see you buying a G18 is if you could find a registered G18 that was bought b4 the ban....I have heard there are some....but I doubt the owners are willing to part with them....of course money talks...but we are talking probably thousands if not 10's of thousands of dollars....

That is if you live in a state that lets you own full auto.......


Thats the best I can do for ya....feel free to correct me anywere I am wrong glock talkers....

[duckslayer79]

**************edited to add that JayAK beat me to it.;f;f;*************************

You need to do a search on the Glock 18. There are several threads dealing with the gun.

Dont know about the HP's. Im sure you could, dont see why.

No unless your gov. or LEO you cannot legally own one.

I have never fired one but have seen one fired by a LEO agency. Most people would like to have one just because it would be fun to shoot one. You cannot own a full-atuo weapon of any kind unless you have a Class III license which is very expensive. The guns are also in the 3000+ dollar range. Im sure that there are some memembers here that can clarify or better explain the licensing thing.

Take Care
"duck"

[elfjr]

For about $50,000 give or take a little + ATF paperwork + 200.00 transfer fee + about 6 month wait for paper work to clear. Can have one of your very own and shoot all the "hollow tips" you want. For 2 double previous figure. There are transferable ones out there but they are few. Talking someone into selling one would be hard.

[dukeofurl]

Originally posted by duckslayer79
You need to do a search on the Glock 18. There are several threads dealing with the gun.

Dont know about the HP's. Im sure you could, dont see why.

No unless your gov. or LEO you cannot legally own one.

I have never fired one but have seen one fired by a LEO agency. Most people would like to have one just because it would be fun to shoot one. You cannot own a full-atuo weapon of any kind unless you have a Class III license which is very expensive. The guns are also in the 3000+ dollar range. Im sure that there are some memembers here that can clarify or better explain the licensing thing.

Take Care
"duck"

I never understood this concept.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CLASS III LICENSE FOR CIVILIANS.

"Class III" is a generalized term that describes automatic firearms as defined in the National Firearms Act - NFA. Dealers can pay a special occupational tax of $500 every year ($1k for mfrs/importers) to deal in NFA firearms.

[Clipper]

Originally posted by JayAK
Use the search option, there is about a million threads on this topic....

I5. You can get your hands on one at a shooting range that has one for rent.....there are a few out there.

Exceptions...... The only way I see you buying a G18 is if you could find a registered G18 that was bought b4 the ban....I have heard there are some....but I doubt the owners are willing to part with them....of course money talks...but we are talking probably thousands if not 10's of thousands of dollars....
I used the search option but it wont let me search for "glock 18" because 18 has 2 characters. I search for glock18 and found like 2 threads. Anyway you said I can find one at a shooting range, that sounds good.

Is there any other gun like the Glock 18 thats fully automatic?

[JayAK]

Try Glock*18 or Glock *18*

Always use the * to make a word or number longer or to conect it to another word...


Yea, you can rent the glock at some shooting ranges....I have no clue as to what that would cost....I live in IL so I am clueless to the whole NFA thing......


If it were me I would rather shoot an MP5 or an MP5K at a range....but I don't even have that option..... :(

[duckslayer79]

Originally posted by dukeofurl
I never understood this concept.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CLASS III LICENSE FOR CIVILIANS.

"Class III" is a generalized term that describes automatic firearms as defined in the National Firearms Act - NFA. Dealers can pay a special occupational tax of $500 every year ($1k for mfrs/importers) to deal in NFA firearms.

I meant this as an option if he decided to become a dealer. My bad.

Take Care
"duck"

[Clipper]

Originally posted by Clipper

Is there any other gun like the Glock 18 thats fully automatic? Beretta 93R is another fully automatic gun but Beretta doesn't make it anymore I think. It didn't look all the good and I think it shot only 3 round bursts.

Is there any other gun that Glock makes that can be modified to fire automatically and work with a large capacity clip?

[duckslayer79]

Originally posted by Clipper
Is there any other gun that Glock makes that can be modified to fire automatically and work with a large capacity clip?

I dont know of any other handguns that are full-auto except for the UZI.

Some have said that you can convert some of the 17's and 19's to full-auto but I have never seen one. Check out this thread:
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218713


Take Care
"duck"

[Telecaster]

I just entered "G18" into the search feature and chose 'titles only'.

19 hits came up (http://www.glocktalk.com/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=1383152&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending)(link).

[uafgrad]

There are numerous Glocks out there that are not 18's that have been converted to SF. These are all bound by the restrictions set forth by NFA. These are likely the guns you would find at the gun range. I personbally have shot a few different Glock in SF. Very neat, though thats about it, it's neat.
There have been several S/A Handguns that have been produced F/A or converted.
Chris

[MikeG23]

Originally posted by Clipper
Is there any other gun that Glock makes that can be modified to fire automatically and work with a large capacity clip?
All of the Glocks can be modified to full auto, but the same laws apply to them that apply to the G18. Most of the conversion require replaceing the backing plate toward the rear of the slide. You can get large capacity magazines for your Glock and shoot them even though it's semi-auto it is still fun.:)

[Clipper]

Originally posted by duckslayer79
I dont know of any other handguns that are full-auto except for the UZI.

Some have said that you can convert some of the 17's and 19's to full-auto but I have never seen one. Check out this thread:
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218713


Take Care
"duck" Thats very interesting. UZI is way too big. Cant carry it around.
One more question.
Im guessing any of the Glocks can be modified to FA but theres no point if you got a stock clip that has like 10 rounds.

Where can I get high capacity clips of any caliber that will work in a Glock?

[WalterGA]

What grade are you in, and in which State do you reside?

[ProCarryNAustin]

At full auto, there is not much longevity in a 33 round mag either.

Just my two cents.

A full auto pistol is not a very effective weapon. Cool, maybe, but not very practical.

Full auto in a weapon the size of an MP5 is much more practical...

Again, just an opinion.

Daniel
Austin, Texas

[Roland O'Gilead]

"Im guessing any of the Glocks can be modified to FA but theres no point if you got a stock clip that has like 10 rounds."

Even if you could find the 729-round NASA issue magazines there would be no point since modifying a Glock to fire full auto would be quite illegal. Not that I would not like to be able to fire or own a legal G18 but whenever people start talking about how great it would be to convert a Glock to full auto I see the antis lining up to make Glocks their next target for the piecemeal banning of handguns.

[nipperwolf]

Originally posted by WalterGA
What grade are you in, and in which State do you reside?
beat me to it.
I was gonna say "did anybody card him?"

that was after reading this;

Fact is that I'm dieing to get my hands on one or two.

[TomSplasky]

First of all, it's MAGAZINE, not clip. There is a difference.

Can you get hollow tips to work with it?
It's hollow points, but that's not important. Yes, I think they would work, I don't see why not.

Is it legal to own one?
Depends where you live.. which you've never disclosed.

I'm guessing since its soo small and powerfull you can carry it around and thats why its illegal.

That wouldn't make it illegal...

[nipperwolf]

Originally posted by TomSplasky
First of all, it's MAGAZINE, not clip. There is a difference.


grasshopper is learning well!
;f ;f

[TomSplasky]

Originally posted by nipperwolf
grasshopper is learning well!
;f ;f ;+ ;W ;W ;W ;W ;W ;W ^3 ^5

[C9X19]

grasshoppers...hmmm

[WalterGA]

Hardehardeharharhar! "Clipper" must be tucked in under his bridge for the night!

[TomSplasky]

Originally posted by G17raider
grasshoppers...hmmm

Hey, grasshoopers are pretty good, with enough sauce ;f

[duckslayer79]

Originally posted by TomSplasky
First of all, it's MAGAZINE, not clip.

Yes my son, the force is strong in that one!!!!

Unless its a Garand its a mag!

Take Care
"duck"

[Clipper]

Magazine not clip and I should say I want one instead of "I'm dieing to get my hands on one or two". Big deal. What can I say, thank you all for the kind replies.

[SSTRUCKNGUY]

why the hell do you want a full auto concealable weapon, sounds like you are upto no good......

[Clipper]

I can conceal an UZI so whats the difference. The Glock 18 is a master piece in my opinion. I don't even understand why its banned when you can buy firearms that are more powerful then that Glock 18. The chances of anyone getting that gun are like 1 in a million but I still want one. I found 33 round clips I mean magazines hahah, so I'm on my way. Once again thank you all for the replies.

[SSTRUCKNGUY]

youre on your way huh???? ;Q
The day you get a 18 will be the day pigs fly...

[Clipper]

Originally posted by SSTRUCKNGUY
youre on your way huh???? ;Q
The day you get a 18 will be the day pigs fly... Well maybe it wont be a Glock 18. I found kits that can convert a Glock to FA. I'm going to end this here, I got a big mouth hahah.

[Zundfolge]

weird ... tried to edit this post and it posted as a new reply ... ignore this one and scroll down to the next post.


;g

[SSTRUCKNGUY]

isnt it past your bedtime kid??? goto bed. And when you illegaly "aquire" a FA conversion device ill be at your front door to arrest you...

[WalterGA]

Originally posted by Clipper
Well maybe it wont be a Glock 18. I found kits that can convert a Glock to FA. I'm going to end this here, I got a big mouth hahah.

But obviously not a big intellect. JHC!

[Zundfolge]

I dont know of any other handguns that are full-auto except for the UZI.
The Uzi is really larger then a handgun. A Micro Uzi is roughly handgun sized.

Another real popluar FA pistol is the Beretta 93R ... basically a full auto 92.


I don't believe there where any Glock 18s imported before 1986 (the year of the ban) BTW the ban was part of the "Firearms Owners Protection Act" ... hows that for Newspeek ;Q

I think the mythical "transferable G18" seen for sale ranks up there with the mythical HK P7M7 seen for sale and the mythical .45 Luger* seen for sale (for the record there are 6 P7M7s ... all still owned by HK and there where 2 .45 Lugers made for the 1907 trials for the army both have been destroyed).

Anyway, duck ... doesn't matter for you. Kansas is one of those states that doesn't allow serfs to own Class III weapons (one of the reasons I left for Colorado ... too bad I wasted 34 years living there) so you would have to become a Class III dealer in order to have Class III toys.

*I'm talking a real .45 Luger, not the Krausewerk reproductions

[evlbruce]

Originally posted by duckslayer79
I dont know of any other handguns that are full-auto except for the UZI.

There is also the:
Stechkin
cz.61 Skorpion
Mauser C-96 M712
Micro(/mini)-Uzi
Kiparis
Steyr TMP
HK PDW
MP-5k

(There was also one based on the cz75 but the name escapes me.)

As for burst fire you also have:
Berretta M93
HK VP-70
Colt "Scamp"

[tim02]

It is called CZ75A. Have an article in a Finnish gun rag.

uses spare mag as a forward grip. (there is a mount for mag baseplate in the guns dust cover)

tim

[Undertaker-17]

Originally posted by SSTRUCKNGUY
youre on your way huh???? ;Q
The day you get a 18 will be the day pigs fly...

The day he "become 18" will be the day pigs fly...;f

[freepatriot]

Originally posted by duckslayer79

Unless its a Garand its a mag!


Unless it's a "stripper clip" like Mauser ammo often comes in.

Oh yeah... Did I mention: IBTL.

[Glockspiel]

The point of arbitrarily banning certain guns and/or gun features seems to be a way of appeasing the antis into making them belive something is being done to prevent us rednecks from slaughtering them in their sleep without actually making it difficult for a reasonable, determined person to get decent guns. Despite this ban nonsense, I believe you can still purchase grandfathered weapons should you desire them. If gun control were such a horrible issue in the US, there would be a civil war over it, or states of gun folks would secede from the union.

As far as G18s and other sexy but not necessarily practical guns are concerned, I wouldn't feel underarmed walking in an average part of the US with only a semiauto pistol designed a century ago. Sure, I'd get one if they cost $500 and were legal, but probably as a range piece rather than for carry. I'd also be somewhat annoyed that I couldn't use my G17 parts with my G18.

I think that preban guns will continue being readily available and traded for centuries - collectors trade, bequeath, give away, etc., and there are probably more guns in circulation than Americans.

[TomSplasky]

Originally posted by duckslayer79
Yes my son, the force is strong in that one!!!!

Unless its a Garand its a mag!

Take Care
"duck"

Or if you're using a Clip to load a M16 mag!

*I'm talking a real .45 Luger, not the Krausewerk reproductions

Considering there were only two made, and one was destroyed by testing....

I'd say you'd be pretty lucky to find a .30 Luger, let alone a .45 ;f

Ps. I belive this one man has the only .45 luger left in the world, it's in his personal collection of 100s of other lugers... Don't quote me on that.

[nipperwolf]

Ps. I belive this one man has the only .45 luger left in the world, it's in his personal collection of 100s of other lugers... Don't quote me on that.

Its owned by Michael Douglas. remember the movie 'Wall Street'.

;f ;f

[ledavatar]

Originally posted by nipperwolf
Its owned by Michael Douglas. remember the movie 'Wall Street'.

Yea but he also said there's 6 of them out there. ;f

I saw an episode of "Tales of the Gun" on the History Channel a while back and they showed the only existing Luger in .45ACP and shot it. I remember some collector with lots of variations of the Luger in the show but can't remember if the gun was his or not. Also, from another one of those shows there was some mention of a guy meticulously reproducing a bunch of Lugers chambered in .45ACP and selling them for something like $10k each.

[NoSoMo]

Originally posted by Clipper
I got a few questions about the gun. I am probably not the only one to ask these questions.
Can you get hollow tips to work with it?
Is it legal to own one? I heard it is and if it is, why? You can buy a machine gun that is way more powerfull. I'm guessing since its soo small and powerfull you can carry it around and thats why its illegal. Fact is that I'm dieing to get my hands on one or two.
Where can I get one?

You can turn any Glock into a full auto for 380$. It's kind of concealed mod as well, and unless they are looking for it specifically, they won't know it's there.

"Huh, what's this switch do?" "Um, it's the safety"

[NoSoMo]

Originally posted by SSTRUCKNGUY
why the hell do you want a full auto concealable weapon, sounds like you are upto no good......

We must have a lefty in the house?

If someone wanted to commit mass murder, which is HIGHLY unlikely, they could walk into an entrance of a crowded walmart with a 30-30 or similar weapon with multiple 30+ round clips which are legal, and just unload and knock them all down with a semi auto in no time. In such situation I believe that a full auto would be more beneficial to the crowd seeing that multiple individuals would take more than one bullet thus "wasting" the ammunition more so than strategically placing it.

The only benefit of a full auto weapon that I could see would be to take down several ARMED individuals quickly. If that's the case, more than likely the individual has it planned out and has already aquired one of the "legal" FAs and will still undertake his plans.

Those who are going to break the law with the fire arm really don't give a ***** about the laws that ban them.

I personally would love to have a full auto hand gun. It's a "WOW" factor. I purchased my gun for self defense, and I sure as heck wouldn't choose an 18 as my defense weapon!

All the vehicles produced today can exceed any posted speed limit in the states. Yet individuals will purchase automobiles that can do many times the speed limit. True, like a gun, any vehicle can be used unlawfully, and some can "way" exceed the law. Does this mean we should ban Fast cars because one can do such? Maybe we should label someone as suspect for buying one of these cars?

This is all BS for the soccer moms that won't stop calling their congressmen about media hype.

All weapons are "assault" weapons. This includes baseball bats, hockey sticks, and golf clubs. And like those items, firearms, reagardless of shape, size, etc, are both a sport and a hobby.

[nipperwolf]

Originally posted by NoSoMo
All weapons are "assault" weapons.
check my sig line.;f

[SSTRUCKNGUY]

lefty??? you sir are not even in the ball park.

[Glockafeller]

I've seen .mpg clips of people shooting a full auto glock. I assume these were made in other countries. While it might be fun to shoot a couple of times, I'm yet to see anyone who can control a full auto glock. A full auto glock is the last gun I would want for self defense. A three round burst might change my mind but not full auto. I thnk my ideal home defense gun would be an mp5 set to three round burst. Better handling in tight areas than a shotgun, more accurate than a shotgun, fast follow up shots and large mags. The fact we cannot still buy those is a travesty.

[amphibian]

Originally posted by Zundfolge



I don't believe there where any Glock 18s imported before 1986 (the year of the ban) BTW the ban was part of the "Firearms Owners Protection Act" ... hows that for Newspeek ;Q



The ban was 1968 for imported Machine Guns. Glocks didn't exist in 1968.
The ban in 1986 stopped the conversion of MG's. There ARE supposedly some Glock 17's that were converted to full auto before 1986.

Anything imported as factory machine guns before '86 and after 1968 would be a Pre86 Dealer Sample and not transferrable to an individual. Everything after '86 would be a Post 86 and again not transferrable.

[Mugenlude]

Originally posted by amphibian
The ban was 1968 for imported Machine Guns. Glocks didn't exist in 1968.
The ban in 1986 stopped the conversion of MG's. There ARE supposedly some Glock 17's that were converted to full auto before 1986. How would you be able to tell when the conversion was done? Obviously, it would have to be a pre-1986 produced Glock ---> didn't Glock start selling the G17 to LEO and US Civilians in 1985?

[amphibian]

Originally posted by Mugenlude
How would you be able to tell when the conversion was done? Obviously, it would have to be a pre-1986 produced Glock ---> didn't Glock start selling the G17 to LEO and US Civilians in 1985?

Why would you want to know when it was converted? All that matters is that it is TRANSFERRABLE. If it is, then you know it was converted before 1986 and registered in the ATF registry.
There have been some cases where ATF screwed up and transfered guns that were not transferrable (mostly PreMay 86's to individuals).
If you ever encounter one, call the ATF and ask them to confirm if it is a transferrable or a Post 86 Dealer sample.

[ProGlock]

Man, I can't believe so much stuff flying around here that's incorrect. Amphibian has it right though and let me clear up a few things here...


First off, there are ZERO, NONE, ZILCH, NADA factory Glock 18s available for transfer to civilians. Don't understand? Go back and read the definition of NONE or ZERO.

Glock 17s first started appearing in the early '80s, with the 18 following a few years later. The prototypes were available somewhere around '84 - '85 I believe to LEO/Gov agencies. Sometime around '86 was when they went into a more mass production cycle to make them available for more departments.

So why are there none available? Because of the 1968 Gun Control Act. Since there were no Glocks prior to '68, none of that type can be imported.

The ONLY possibility here for a full-auto Glock is that there MAY have been some conversion devices registered with the BATF prior to May 1986. These devices might be sears or those little switch things on the back of the slide some of us have seen. These would be movable between Glocks, so it isn't necessarily limited to a Glock 17. You could put it on any Glock you wanted.
These devices could command a very premium price.

Lastly, actual G18s that are available for LE purchase do NOT cost in the $3000+ range. I've seen these prices too and they're ridiculous. A G18 in the $800 range is much more accurate.

[RenegadeGlocker]

Originally posted by Glockafeller
While it might be fun to shoot a couple of times, I'm yet to see anyone who can control a full auto glock.

Other than the FA Glock 20, I am in full-control. Check out my videos.

[John@JCDLESales]

Quote: Originally posted by Glockafeller
"While it might be fun to shoot a couple of times, I'm yet to see anyone who can control a full auto glock."

Wow More Theory And Conjecture, ProGlock Is Right,more misinformation flying around than Pigs.

Control IS Not Hard to learn IF You Have Something To Practice With... My Select Fire 24C is MORE Controlable than my M11/380 without the Gemtech Viper attached. Concealable? "17 Ghetto Passport w/Visa" And the little 23 is a Handfull but completely Controlable in bursts.

John



http://www.hunt101.com/img/060013.jpg
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[Glockafeller]

Quote: Originally posted by Glockafeller
"While it might be fun to shoot a couple of times, I'm yet to see anyone who can control a full auto glock."

Wow More Theory And Conjecture, ProGlock Is Right,more misinformation flying around than Pigs.

Control IS Not Hard to learn IF You Have Something To Practice With... My Select Fire 24C is MORE Controlable than my M11/380 without the Gemtech Viper attached. Concealable? "17 Ghetto Passport w/Visa" And the little 23 is a Handfull but completely Controlable in bursts.


ok so why don;t you show me some precision shots in full auto. Make a movie and post it here instead of telling us all what a great shot you are. I'm willing to bet you can't put all 33 rounds in an 8 inch circle on full auto.

[Glockafeller]

btw if I were a BTFA agent I would just read the posts here and then go visit some of you guys bolding posting bout your full auto glocks that are in the us

[RenegadeGlocker]

Originally posted by Glockafeller
btw if I were a BTFA agent I would just read the posts here and then go visit some of you guys bolding posting bout your full auto glocks that are in the us

Since they are legally registered Post-86 Demos, the ATF already knows about them, and in fact gave explicit written permission to possess them. In fact, at least one ATF agent will be with me next week when we go shoot one, as he has not shot one yet himself.

Everything in this thread is about legal weapons, otherwise we would report it to Eric to be closed, as discussion of illegal activity is not tolerated.

[ProGlock]

Originally posted by RenegadeGlocker
Since they are legally registered Post-86 Demos, the ATF already knows about them, and in fact gave explicit written permission to possess them. In fact, at least one ATF agent will be with me next week when we go shoot one, as he has not shot one yet himself.

Everything in this thread is about legal weapons, otherwise we would report it to Eric to be closed, as discussion of illegal activity is not tolerated.

Are this agent coming to the same event that we've been planning?!? ;f

If so, perhaps that'd be a good time for me and others to rant about how stupid the '86 MG ban is :cool: ...lol

I'll try to be nice though.

edit: Actually now that I think about it, why not get him to bring some of his goodies?

[John@JCDLESales]

And when can you get here. If you can read my location given in Longitude & Latitude it will put you in front of my shop door. If that is seemingly hard to cypher. When you get to Pittsburgh, PA go SE 12.5 Mi. to the small town of White Oak, PA. To make things really FAIR I'll let my 16 year old nephew put ALL 31 (Remember This Is A .40) into an 8" circle at 15 Yds.

P.S. Bring BIG Bucks, I'd Love To Take Your Money Skippy...

John McCaw
FFL/SOT2

JCD Tactical Law Enforcement Sales
1630 California Ave.
White Oak, PA 15131-2104
(412) 673-1304

Baby Face Travis
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[Glockafeller]

I never said anything about a bet. make a movie and show us all. It will be the first time I've ever seen anyone do it with a full auto glock. All the movies I've seen show a large guy leaning way too far foward to have any mobility and still spraying all over a man sized target. Prove me wrong. Embarrass me here by posting a movie. Just shoot the movie standing behind the shooter looking at the target and then walk up to the target while filming so we can clearly see all the holes in the 8 inch circle.

Come on shows us all why it is a great gun and we should want it rather and a semi auto

[John@JCDLESales]

Your Quote: "I'm willing to bet you can't put all 33 rounds in an 8 inch circle on full auto."

Get Your FFL/SOT An I'll Sell You One With A PD Demo Letter. Then All you questions will be answered.

So what your saying is you really have No Money to bet with just a Semi Auto Keyboard;P to shoot. You've never fired a Select Fire Glock and you have all the answers. Hey do you know Sample Dave???

John;Q

[Glockafeller]

ok it was a figure of speech.

You supposedly have a full auto glock. I've asked you to prove me wrong about the ability to control it by making a movie of it. Entertain us all.Prove me wrong and let's stop this pointless bickering like little children.

While we are on the topic I would offer that there is probably not a single police agency in the US issuing Glock 18s for daily carry for the very reason I have proposed. Furthermore I doubt there is a single one issuing themfor the tactical squad. Anyone have any proof to the contrary on this?

Oh and rengade glocker wher can I get your movies of full auto glocks?

[Glockafeller]

oh and John, we are talking about Glocks that are full auto, like the Glock 18 in the title, not burst fire. BTW who makes the mods for the glock that you have on yours? Is that what your company does? Does your pistol perform burst,single shot and full auto? What do those sell for?

[ProGlock]

Why does anyone have to prove anything to you? Just because you doubt someone owns a Glock 18 or a converted one does that make the possibilities untrue?

Whenever you get a G18 or converted one of your own, you can then have the room to talk about how uncontrollable it can be from your viewpoint.

[hcook]

Glockafeller, why don't you prove that what you  say is true? You are expecting us to accept your claims as truth, all the while you're casting dispersions on people who know their stuff and showing your ignorance.

It's fine if you want to ask pointed questions, fine if you want to learn, great if you want to think critically, etc. But you can't just waltz into a Chevy dealership, badmouth the Corvette, then taunt the dealer into proving that the Corvette will indeed beat a Mustang in the quarter. You can't walk into a VFW hall, rant about how whatever firearm sucks or whatever tactic sucks, and expect the folks there not to boot you out on your ass. Same thing goes here.

You are the one who started making claims. You are the one casting doubts. You started it. Now you need to cowboy up and prove your case.

[Glockafeller]

ok so if I post sample movies of people shooting full auto glocks and it flying all over creation does that prove it? No. What that proves if that the person in the movie can not control it. I, like most the people here, have seen mpg clips of full auto glocks. I have yet to see a link to a single clip showing they can be controlled. So on my side we have all the glock full auto clips with people who can't control them to the standards that others are claiming they can. On their side is nothing other than a claim they can do it.

Search the archives and you will see links to the clips I'm discussing. Here's a link too.

http://fxclips.com/uploader/incoming/Fully%20Automatic%20Glock.mpeg

I don't think the guy in that clip has great control

In the car example if all that anyone can find of the mustang and corvette racing is evidence of the mustang beating the corvette, then if the corvette salesman says the corvette is faster he could point me to evidence, such as road tests or race results.


I don't doubt that John owns a converted Glock or Glock 18. I am genuienly interested in what he has. sounds like cool stuff to me. I think some of you misunderstood my questioning about his weapons as being a smart ass. It was not. I honestly would like to know what it is he has. I've never heard of anyone else with a select fire 24c that was legit.


The whole point of my comments, which many of you are missing, is that I have serious doubts about the merits of the Glock 18 as a self defense weapon. The idea of going full auto and getting off only a couple of sprays at best and then being left with an empty gun just doesn't excite me. Now give me a glock with a three round burst and that would be a great weapon.

As Dennis Miller says, that's just my opinion.I could be wrong.

I'd just like someone, somewhere, John, proglock, renegade glocker or anyone else including Gaston Glock to show me if I am wrong. The way to do this is find a movie somewhere of a person controlling it well

[John@JCDLESales]

How many times did the fellow in the Vid shoot the weapon before the Vid was made. Does this individual shoot the weapon frequently? Why was the Vid made?

Now when you take into account that the express reason for the Vid was to show Firepower and NOT Accuracy or total control of the weapon you have to basically challenge your own doubts.

I stated that a Glock 24C (C)=Compensated is MORE Controlable than a M/11 without the Gemtech Viper Suppressor attached and it definatelly is without question. I also stated my 16 year old nephew can and will demonstrate that 31 Rds. from said 24C with the stock extended will indeed stay in an 8" circle and they will.

Full Auto Fire still exists even when your finger is The Burst Control as is the case with ALL Full Auto Option Weapons... That is a given.

I have had visitors from Sweden that have made the device I make from plans and they also find that weapon very controlable especially with a folding stock attached. It is not Magic just practice and shooting the weapon to become profecient with it.

I would suggest that you first get some time with a given Select Fire Weapon before making unfounded claims to the contrary.

Below is attached a picture of my friend Hillman from Sweden and several of his friends that visited me in the summer of 2002 to test the Select Fire Glock Device. The Lab is Murphy and he is the same dog in my Avatar.

Oh The C5 Corvette is mine and the smile on Hillman's face attest to the fact that that what I have runs and runs well. I have NO reason in the world what-so-ever to BS you my friend...


http://www.hunt101.com/img/102917.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/img/102919.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/img/102922.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/img/102924.jpg

[UZIFORME]

Sorry you have such a case of Glock 18 envy that you try to spoil it for others with your ignorance.

First off I have never been attacked by an 8" circle. You speak of spraying all over a man sized target. I would call that pretty effective myself.

So review the following pictures and just report to me how much vertical climb you can see in the slides of the guns.

http://myweb.cableone.net/uziforme/twoglocks.jpg
http://myweb.cableone.net/uziforme/creekglock.jpg
http://myweb.cableone.net/uziforme/g19-full.jpg

And if an 8" circle does ever assault me I can just flip the selector to semi auto and be just as on target as you fantasize you are.

In case you think no one can hold down a full auto 308 I submit for your viewing pleasure.

http://myweb.cableone.net/uziforme/beretta.wmv


Just which of the above guns would you want to be in front of the muzzle on?

[Glockafeller]

John I did not realize you were talking about using an extended stock. With an extended stock it becomes like other full auto weapons I have fired, so yes I agree it can be controlled. However the glock 18 does not have such a stock, correct?


Uziforme it also appaears you have a stock attached to your weapon. Again, not the normal handgun configuration we usually see with a Glock 18.

Since the thread is was titled glock 18 I thought we were talking about full auto handguns. In my world you do not hold a handgun against your shoulder to fire it.

Seems our views on this are not that far apart. I just assumed that since Glock does not make anything but pistols that when I said something about a full auto glock we were still talking about pistols, not a carbine with a very very shot barrel.

[Glockafeller]

and by the way uziforme drop with the personal insults and questioning what gun I want to be in front of.

[RenegadeGlocker]

Originally posted by Glockafeller
renegade glocker or anyone else including Gaston Glock to show me if I am wrong. The way to do this is find a movie somewhere of a person controlling it well

http://renegade.tgtech.com (fixed)

Click "Guns", then scroll down and select a video.

The G20/10mm video was my first mag dump with that caliber. The G34/9mm video was after about 5-6 mags. So even with little experience, it was in good control.

Keep in mind the FA Glock was designed for professionals. I only had limited experience when these videos were shot. A Professional who trains every day for TAC OPS is going to be able to control this weapon like it was a BB gun.

[Glockafeller]

Thanks for the link renegade but I can not get it to work. IT says the page is unavailable when I click on it. Any suggestions?

[hcook]

try this... http://renegade.tgtech.com

[John@JCDLESales]

As a Very Wise Man once told me, "If You See Me Exit The Aircraft You'll Know All Is Not Well"...

John;a

[ProGlock]

I see the point Feller is trying to make, however I agree the G18 would NOT be my first choice for a full-auto handgun, rather the MP5K would.

[Cold1]

[John@JCDLESales]

MPEG Feature on my Nikon CoolPix. My Nikon D1 doesn't have the MPEG feature and that is what I shoot most of my Pics with.

Cold and Very WET here in SW PA due to all the snow we got the last 6 weeks so I'm sure I can talk Travis into burning a few cases as soon as it warms up a bit.

I'm also headed to Camden,TN March 20 so being able to make a few Vids would be nice. A SOT friend of mine just built himself a Bowling Ball Mortor so that should also prove Vid Worthy. I'm gonna give it a go and practice on the dogs as they are always good for Hamming It Up for a pic.

John

[UZIFORME]

The Glock stocks are readily available from Fobus. They just click into the empty space behind the magazine well. They will fit all but the subcompact without modification. The insert tab needs to be shortened on the smallest of subcompact glocks to fit.

For those who say full auto is silly, well our full auto can do everything your semi autos can do and more. Just how silly is that? It's called versatility.

http://myweb.cableone.net/uziforme/glockstock.jpg

[UZIFORME]

Look at your own posts, they are full of. I think, I have never, I can not believe, I doubt that.

Perhaps you should stop all that conjecture and listen to people who do, have done, know rather than guess, have seen.

Is the Glock 18 for every shooter off the street. Probably not maybe not for you. For those who are proficient with it, it gets it's intended job done.

NE State patrol issues them to desirving troopers. Not all but the most qualified.

[John@JCDLESales]

And those who have never played with one are missing Tons Of Fun. Do those who "Know All" not know that most ALL Glock select Fires are issued with a detachable stock???

Hey I need some advice on a couple Post Sample Uzi's I want to build, please PM me if you get the time.

John

[amphibian]

Well its not a G18, but here is my MICRO I just finished up.
It is a Registered Receiver by Wilson Arms. It had no stock when I got it. It was all beat up when I got it. It was in Dan Shea's inventory at one time and I highly suspect it was a movie gun from all the scratches it had.
I got it mainly to complete my UZI family but I'm really digging it.

Like all the garbage that has been posted here, I had so many people tell me that it was uncontrollable. Those people must not know how to shoot or don't have any firsthand experience and making ASSumptions. I've been shooting my MINI UZI for years and can keep a tight pattern with it. The MICRO is just a little more violent but still controllable. It is "Tons of FUN" especially with a suppressor. I 3 lugged all my UZI's for suppressors.

http://home.cfl.rr.com/c3stuff/uzi/micro.jpg

BTW, I've shot a converted Glock23 with and without a compensator and I think with some serious practice, it can be controlled. I didn't get a chance to try one with a stock though.

I've got a C2 buddy that is going to make the conversion device so I can play with it when I meet him at the range.

One thing I don't like about the FA Glocks is that I've been told (by Joe at SWR) that they don't work with a suppressor.

www.c3junkie.com (http://www2.c3junkie.com:6721/)

[Cold1]

hey Amphibian


Is that doctor sight a worthwhile investiment for Sub guns and the like, I have heard good things but havent heard enough. I am delighted to see one on a gun like yours and was wondering if anyone has heard how they work on glocks (since I see them for sale on some glock sites) anyways any thoughts you could provide on the issue would be great thanks again

Cold


also is it a battery operated or a self illuminating?

[amphibian]

Cold1,
I guess you've never checked out my website:
www.c3junkie.com (http://www2.c3junkie.com:6721)
I make some custom Docter Sights and I think I'm addicted to them.
I came up with the mount idea you see below.
I went with this setup because I wanted a low profile optic that would clear the can.
I went with the forward mount because I don't want anything obstructing the rear slide serrations and I can put pressure on the rear sight if I need to clear a hard jam. I have replaced the factory plastic rear sight with an old steel one. I have had some functioning issues with the new barrel/can. The Glock is flawless with no can on it.
Sorry to hijack this thread. Please contact me offline if you want more info. Hopefully we can get back on track talking about the G18.
http://www2.c3junkie.com:6721/glock/right1.jpg

[RenegadeGlocker]

Let me add something to Amphibian's comments.

I have the Dr. Optics sight in the traditional rear mount on a G34. This works great for normal applications. However, after having used it this way for over 500 rounds with an attached silencer (SWR/GS9K2), I have noticed some particlate fouling on the glass of the Dr. Optics sight. This is caused by blowback coming out of the breech and blasting particulates into the sight.

So Amphibians forward mount seem like a great idea, and would solve this problem.

[Cold1]

Has anyone used the select fire switch from the guy who exports them from germany? just curious? and if so is it reliable for form and function?


Cold

[SSTRUCKNGUY]

i am considering getting one. they say they can only ship to non us addresses. well what if i had a overseas address then mailed it back to the states i wonder if that would be ok?

[Ninja Monkey]

SSTRUCKNGUY, I could care less if you owned one, and I'm sure most of the people here would say the same. However, the BATF would love to nail you on that for possession of an unregistered machinegun, illegal importation of a firearm, tax evasion, and probably a couple other charges too.

[John@JCDLESales]

Originally posted by SSTRUCKNGUY
i am considering getting one. they say they can only ship to non us addresses. well what if i had a overseas address then mailed it back to the states i wonder if that would be ok?


Not the smartist thing posting what you Might Do. I've heard the Guy in Germany sometimes loses orders?? In other words some of his product never is received. I made the ones I have from plans I found on some full auto Glock site.

John

[SSTRUCKNGUY]

Originally posted by Ninja Monkey
SSTRUCKNGUY, I could care less if you owned one, and I'm sure most of the people here would say the same. However, the BATF would love to nail you on that for possession of an unregistered machinegun, illegal importation of a firearm, tax evasion, and probably a couple other charges too.

how is a part a unregistered firearm or illegal importation of one??? i see full auto sears for sale all of the time here in the us. the kicker is you cannnot install them the same rules should apply here as well. i never said i was going to make a full auto glock. i am merely interested in the engineering aspects of it.

[NoSoMo]

I too would like one for educational purposes.

[Cold1]

where is there a web page with plans for construction for one, and are they reliable? also the doctor sight, with the forward mount does it have any problems from muzzle blast?

[ProGlock]

Originally posted by SSTRUCKNGUY
how is a part a unregistered firearm or illegal importation of one??? i see full auto sears for sale all of the time here in the us. the kicker is you cannnot install them the same rules should apply here as well. i never said i was going to make a full auto glock. i am merely interested in the engineering aspects of it.

One can actually go out and buy a brand new HK sear, it will even be included in a brand new full-auto trigger pack!

Now, suppose you happen to have, oh say, a HK91 rifle laying around the house too...hmmm...if ever 'the law' got wind of those two objects being in the same place, chalk up a few years of spending time in Club Fed.

[amphibian]

Originally posted by Cold1
the doctor sight, with the forward mount does it have any problems from muzzle blast?

I wouldn't know. After I got my SWR GS9K2, I don't shoot without it.

[Cold1]

Yes I know if my agency got wind of it, they would be right on top of it

[Unnamed]

Renegade your site is one of the most irritating I've been at any time recently. Drop the damn music, or at least give viewers an option to turn it off.

[RenegadeGlocker]

Unamed - thanks for the info. Since it is my site, I never visit it.

Here is a nice G18C for sale, just $3500:

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=40962

Jeff is a good guy, I do a lot of business with him. I'd buy that thing in a NY second if he could sell it to me.

[ProGlock]

That's something I will not understand. A G18 probably costs maybe $50 more than a G17...why does it cost $3500?! It's just a modified slide with a selector and some small piece of metal in there...that's it!

[RenegadeGlocker]

They are supply/demand items. If the PD wanted to order them direct from Glock, it is about $100 over G17 I am told. But Glock will not sell even to FFL with Demo Letter, so in order for FFL to get them they must get them from PD and supply is limited. Glock is not happy PDs sell them to FFL's, but nothing they can do about it.

This of course, creates capitalistic market for US-made conversion devices.

[MikeG23]

Originally posted by Cold1
where is there a web page with plans for construction for one, and are they reliable? also the doctor sight, with the forward mount does it have any problems from muzzle blast?
gunnutjoe used to have the plans but now when you do a search for him the site that used to have the plans comes up as an error.

[UZIFORME]

The deal is ATF considers some things replacement parts. Some things are machinegun conversion devices.

An HK full auto trigger pack is a replacement part. An HK full auto trigger pack modified to clip onto a semi auto receiver is a machinegun.

There is very little legal use for the imported glock conversion deviced. They are regulated machineguns, they would have to be imported post 86 at the request of a LE dept. to a dealer. A title 2 manuf. can not order in one and register it because he did not make it. It is an imported machine gun.

There are U.S. made glock backplate conversion devices for LEagencies in the US so no reason to order in the foreign made ones.

[John@JCDLESales]

For Instructional Purpose Only:

http://www.hunt101.com/img/105896.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/img/105900.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/img/105902.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/img/105903.jpg

[SSTRUCKNGUY]

now how many people here can understand those plans?

[UZIFORME]

Here is an old video clip I forgot I had on the computer. It has my glock in it, no it does not show the target, no I probably did not group 8" at 100yds with it, I think any reasonable person can view the gun and see it's not out of control.

http://myweb.cableone.net/uziforme/DaveH.WMV

[TomSplasky]

Originally posted by Cold1
I would love to see the movie of the 16 year old shooting the FA glock, I bet he can keep all 31 rnds in an 8 inch or less circle, not to mention, that WOULD BE A GREAT VIDEO TO SEE!!!!!! I am not for betting I just think it would be awsome to see!

I won't have a video, but I think I'll have some pictures of my shooting Johns FA Glock.

I'm 15

[GADeputy]

Originally posted by Cold1
where is there a web page with plans for construction for one, and are they reliable?


I haven't tried making one (and probably never will) but here's where you can find the info.

Full Auto Glock Conversion (http://www.jassing.com/josh/full_auto_glock.htm)