Just got a G30, what are the must haves?

[braindead0]

I've already got 4 mags, and I found a must have for my big hands is mag finger rests...

Before I order, anything else I should pick up at Glockmeister?

-Glockmeister modified carry package
-Grip extensions (thinking scherer, mostly cause I want 4)
-Factory extended slide lever stop.

Primary purpose is carry, secondary is IDPA.

I also want to pickup a mech-tech CCU, anybody have any good source for them? I found Davis Custom Firearms has them for $299, but they don't list the new mid-size models.

[jeremy54b]

The G30 is fine stock.

If you want grip extensions, go for it, but I tried them and discarded them soon after. They made the pistol too long.

Don't get an extended slide stop. All it will do is make you reliant on it to drop the slide instead of slingshotting it like you are supposed to, and it will cause you to lock the slide back at inopportune times.

Ammo and a good carry setup are all you need...maybe some night sites;)

[Harlequin]

If you want to go with grip entensions, I think you'll be happier with Pearce. Just personal preference, but they look like they were made for the gun. When I first saw my baby I thought they were supposed to be there, not aftermarket. They are a bit more but worth it.

Other than that, night sights and Agrip are must haves in my opinion. There is unlimited tinkering available but it just depends on what you like.

[braindead0]

like you are supposed to
If that where the case, there would be no reason for a release. Granted, some schools teach slingshot, but others do not.

As far as the grip extensions, like I said I've got big hands..;-)

As far as night sights, I'm not a big on those. I've got a set on my 870 but that's intended for deep dark night work.

I think the agrip might not be kosher for IPDA.

No comments on the trigger? I like the competition trigger I picked up for my wife's 17, but for carry work I'd rather have something more like... the carry trigger. Don't care much for stock Glock triggers myself.

[George Erdel]

Get your LAZERMAX It is ALL YOU NEED!!!

George

[groverglock]

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The voices told me to shoot more ammo.;f ;f ;f ;f

[jeremy54b]

Hmm, since the little dohickey is referred to as a "slide catch" or "slide stop" by almost everyone...including all 4 Glock certified armorers I spoke to today...it is meant to hold the slide back, not to release the slide. But, whatever, your gun...your parts.

[braindead0]

More ammo goes without saying;a

I'm not into lasers, if I got one my wife would want one and then if a BG came into the house I wouldn't gnow which was mine.

[braindead0]

Decided to nix the carry trigger, did go with the scherer mag dealies, due to them being bigger (concealment will not be an issue, I can easily conceal my 4" GP-100 ;-)

[Gunboat1]

The stock (not extended) slide stop lever is steeply angled and relatively smooth, as it was designed to be pushed UP on to lock the slide back, NOT to be pushed down on to release the slide. It is shaped for that purpose (locking back the slide), and to be unobtrusive so that it won't be accidentally put on by your hand while shooting if your grip is improper, and so it won't snag on holsters and such. It was NOT shaped to be pushed down on by the thumb. (Yeah, I know the manual says you can release the slide by pushing down on it as an alternate technique.) You can carve a statue with a butter knife, too, but Glock USA teaches Glock instructors that the proper method of slide release is the "handover method", sometimes mistakenly called the slingshot. (A true slingshot takes hold of the rear of the slide by pinching between thumb and index finger.) The handover has the thumb towards the chest, gripping the rear of the slide between the heel of the hand and all four fingers. Be sure not to cover the ejection port as you do this, lest you induce a malfunction! Grab a handful of slide, honk back on it hard, and let it go as it reaches the rear of its travel (don't ride it back into battery.) Big, gross motor motion, taking advantage of maximum grip strength and hand/slide surface area, for best chance of getting it done under stress, or when hand is wounded or slick with blood, mud, water, etc. Finding that little bitty lever with your thumb alone, and getting it to depress without slipping off it or missing it entirely isn't going to be easy under the stress of a fight, as it is a fine motor action, and fine motor coordination is the first thing to go when the adrenaline hits.

The Glock was designed as a fighting tool; it is best operated using techniques which will give the maximum chance of working in a fight for your life.

Now, all that said - it's your gun. Shoot it like you want to! :)

[braindead0]

Problem is with a gun this small, and hands as big as mine, I can't 'grab a big handful' of the slide without covering the ejection port. I can pinch it with my first 2 fingers and thumb though.

As far as gross motor movements, it's no less fine than pressing the mag release button.. is there a "GlocK" method for that as well;P

[SMSTRICK]

Go with what is practical for your own feel and need....I agree that the G30 is very reliable out of the with no modifications, as is the H&K USP 45. ......As for my G30,...I brought the trigger to between 3 1/2 - 4 pound pull, which has made all the difference in controlled accuracy. ....I put a extended Aerotek slide stop on mine so that I can make the quicker and more efficient mag changes. ( You never know when you will have to opperate a pistol with just one hand. I like to know that I can, effectively , if the time pops up.) I have low profile Aerotek Green tritium insert night sights, because most self defense situations usually occur in low light ......I do not recommend this for every one, but,....I sent my G30 to Robar for a grip reduction. It now fits my hand like a glove and it has also improoved my shooting . By doing this, I conformed the gun to fit me rather than me having to conform to what I consider a fat, thick, bulky grip.( It even conceals better for how I carry it.)...I have put more money into my G30 that I will ever be able to get back out of it.....I did not modify it to sell. It is a tool to carry on a daily basis for which I depend on to defend my life as well as the lives of my family.....I have many 1911's and other types of pistols,...but,.....the G30 is what I would rely on with my life. The beauty is in its simplicity......A gun is a tool. Go with what is comfortable for you. Noone has the right answer to this kind of a question but you. Do your home work and do what is practical.

[braindead0]

That's what I intend to do (go with what's comfortable). I figure I'll give the stock trigger a year to grow on me..I'll probably not shoot it as often as my PT92, cause hey.. 9mm ammo is so darned cheap, I don't mind reloading a 1000 a month or so, but even progressive I have better things to do (like shoot!).

[Signal Zero]

I put the factory extended slide release on my G30 but went back to the flat one because it never wanted to catch the slide when pushed up manually. The Pearce extenders also work well--I plan to get more of those. I saw where Mech-Tech is now making carbine uppers for the G29 and G30, but I don't know where they are available from.

[braindead0]

I'm still waiting to hear back from mech-tech, their website says they are available but lists no prices.. One distributor I checked with said they aren't making them yet...and had no idea when they would be...

[RKC2000]

Winchester Ranger RA45TP - 45acp 230gr+P

jwkpatrick@yahoo.com

This would be a great start for your carry ammo.

[braindead0]

I wanted to get some Ranger, but they were out.. Picked up some Rem GS and Corbon +P to wring things out..

Also found that at least the one mag I've taken apart has the dreaded "too long follower legs", ground them down and waiting to get to the range and make sure it's good to go...holds 10 rds now. ;-)

[4eyes]

Originally posted by Gunboat1
The stock (not extended) slide stop lever is steeply angled and relatively smooth, as it was designed to be pushed UP on to lock the slide back, NOT to be pushed down on to release the slide. It is shaped for that purpose (locking back the slide), and to be unobtrusive so that it won't be accidentally put on by your hand while shooting if your grip is improper, and so it won't snag on holsters and such. It was NOT shaped to be pushed down on by the thumb. (Yeah, I know the manual says you can release the slide by pushing down on it as an alternate technique.) You can carve a statue with a butter knife, too, but Glock USA teaches Glock instructors that the proper method of slide release is the "handover method", sometimes mistakenly called the slingshot. (A true slingshot takes hold of the rear of the slide by pinching between thumb and index finger.) The handover has the thumb towards the chest, gripping the rear of the slide between the heel of the hand and all four fingers. Be sure not to cover the ejection port as you do this, lest you induce a malfunction! Grab a handful of slide, honk back on it hard, and let it go as it reaches the rear of its travel (don't ride it back into battery.) Big, gross motor motion, taking advantage of maximum grip strength and hand/slide surface area, for best chance of getting it done under stress, or when hand is wounded or slick with blood, mud, water, etc. Finding that little bitty lever with your thumb alone, and getting it to depress without slipping off it or missing it entirely isn't going to be easy under the stress of a fight, as it is a fine motor action, and fine motor coordination is the first thing to go when the adrenaline hits.

The Glock was designed as a fighting tool; it is best operated using techniques which will give the maximum chance of working in a fight for your life.

Now, all that said - it's your gun. Shoot it like you want to! :)

I have never seen anyone use this method to drop the slide in an action pistol game. It is way slow. Rocky squirrel cartoon method, even. Looks macho when you try to impress your girlfriend.

Change mags from slide stop and drop slide with left thumb as you reacquire the shooting grip.

What is with the "one hand poster" dropping the slide with one hand? If you only have one hand and shoot to slide stop, how are you going to change mags?

[braindead0]

Yup, M.A.'s Stressfire teaches you should always drop the slide with the release, the reason being that you can train yourself to always thumb the release whenever changing mags (even if simply replacing a partially depleted mag with a fresh one) without risk of ejecting a perfectly good round. Plus it's faster, and with a good grip on the firearm, your thumb will be able to find it easy enough (if practiced) even in a serious pucker situation.

What is with the "one hand poster" dropping the slide with one hand? If you only have one hand and shoot to slide stop, how are you going to change mags?

Easy, eject mag, place firarm between knees with mag well pointing forward (or up if kneelin), grab mag with good hand and insert. Grab gun release slide and go. You can so something similar with revolvers, rifles, etc.

One of our IDPA competitors has essentially one good hand (his other arm is very extremely stunted) and he can perform mag changes quite well.

[Gunboat1]

Ahh, I get it, we are talking about "games" techniques. I though we were talking about a fighting gun. ;Q

The esteemed Mr. Ayoob may teach using the slide release (especially if on a gun which has one, and where the part is designed for that use, unlike the Glock's slide stop lever.) Many other fine instructors teach the handover method for actual combat, as it is far more certain in a SHTF situation, especially when armed with a Glock. It also works with any other semiauto; you may have to fight with an unfamiliar gun. What if you pick up your friend's SIG, or Walther, or Ruger, or HK P7? Can you find the unique slide release of each in a hurry, under stress?

One technique - all guns. Simple and effective.

If your weak hand is disabled, then there are several one-hand reloading techniques which are effective, and the slide can be dropped by the thumb on the slide stop lever, or catching the rear or front sight on your belt, pocket or shoe sole, or pushing the slide on a nearby post, etc. You do what you have to do to get the gun running and stay in the fight. But that doesn't mean it's the best way, or the one you should choose as your primary, "gotta get it done" method.

All of the above is intended for defensive, not competitive, use. But if you carry your Glock with a standard slide stop lever, and think you might have to fight with it one day, I stand by my recommendation. Practice like you plan to fight, and you may just win the day when and if you ever have to.
:)

[braindead0]

Ahh, I get it, we are talking about "games" techniques. I though we were talking about a fighting gun.
Not quite, we are talking about combat techniques. I just mentioned the friend that shoots IDPA as a one hand example. Obviously there are many schools of thought on this issue, and many techniques for one-hand reloads.. and everything else.

If the glock slide 'catch' wasn't designed to be used as a release, they would not have put grooves on it to provide grip, instead it would be polished so you could not use it.

And you would think that if Glock didn't intend it to be used as such, that they wouldn't sell a factory extended release. If I'm not mistaken the G34 comes with it from the factory... odd

[Harlequin]

One technique - all guns. Simple and effective.

Not to mention the fact that if you are doing a tactical reload or clearing a misfire you'll have to rack the slide anyway. Ok, you don't have to rack the slide in a tactical reload but it may be a good idea. So you're racking sometimes and thumbing the slide stop others? Why not just do one for all reloads and clears? Seems easier.

[braindead0]

If you did a tactical reload and rack the slide, you've just wasted a perfectly good round.

I think most people recommend when clearing misfires that you first make sure the magazine is inserted fully (tap), then rack and roll the pistol to the side (easier to dump out any jammed ammo).

A simple 'rack the slide' has a good chance of doing no good during a jam.

What if someone gives you a Ruger Mark II?? Then who wouldn't be able to chamber a round :-)

[braindead0]

Just occurred to me that I should have never asked the question in the first place, or phrased it more like "Any suggestions for accessories"..

I know a few people that have the extended slide catch/release/butter knife holder/whichever.. so I can give it a try and see what I think.

[4eyes]

Originally posted by braindead0

Before I order, anything else I should pick up at Glockmeister?

-Glockmeister modified carry package
-Grip extensions (thinking scherer, mostly cause I want 4)
-Factory extended slide lever stop.

Primary purpose is carry, secondary is IDPA.


Check to see if the extended slide release will fit the G30. It will fit all the small frame guns. I'm not sure about the thickness of the 10mm/45 frames and slides.

If you plan to try IDPA, get a Hi-Viz front sight. Best thing since a "HOT" butter knife.

And one a them fancy reloader thingies that runs around in a circle whilst dropping fresh rounds out.

Shoot and repeat the reloaded thingies.

[braindead0]

Check to see if the extended slide release will fit the G30. It will fit all the small frame guns. I'm not sure about the thickness of the 10mm/45 frames and slides.
They have them listed for the G30, but as I said..already made my order (no extended release). A few of the guys in the club have Glocks (okay, several ;-) and I think one of our guys has a G30.. I'll see if he has one on it.
If you plan to try IDPA, get a Hi-Viz front sight. Best thing since a "HOT" butter knife.
Not too worried about that, never have much trouble acquiring the rather crummy front site on my Tuarus PT-92 (did have our club smith install a fiber optic in it...just to see).

Oh, and I've been shooting IDPA for several years...I am after all the secretary of our local club ;-)

And one a them fancy reloader thingies that runs around in a circle whilst dropping fresh rounds out.
If only I could get my wife to do that..

[Gunboat1]

And you would think that if Glock didn't intend it to be used as such, that they wouldn't sell a factory extended release. If I'm not mistaken the G34 comes with it from the factory... odd

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That's exactly why Glock designed their extended SSL; those wacky and inflexible American shooters insisted on using their strong hand thumb to release the slide.

The G34 is intended as a COMPETITION gun, not a primary carry piece - ergo the difference.

Harlequin - you have grasped the logic. One simple technique = likely to succeed under stress.

The grooves on the standard SSL are there to provide an emergency ALTERNATE method, not to encourage poor combat technique. :)

Actually, I own a Ruger Mk II ; handover works fine, you just contact the bolt lugs with your thumb or heel of the hand and index finger, not gripping the receiver. Sure would hate to have to take one to a gunfight though! THAT would be a bad day! ;f

[Gunboat1]

Also, I have seen many students try to reload very quickly, and under just that amount of stress, get the order of steps mixed up and drop the slide a fraction of a second BEFORE fully seating the mag. They then reenter the "fight" (of course, it's only training) with an empty chamber........CLICK! Great for setting up a malfunction drill, but lousy if you are fighting for your life! Imagine the hurry you will be in if you are really in battle.

With the handover method, it's almost impossible to do that. Sometimes, when you slap the mag home, the slide drops itself. Otherwise, the left hand isn't empty to continue the process of reloading until the mag is seated, then flows to the slide to perform the handover technique and release it. It may add a few hundredths of a second (or not, with practice) but it works every time. I'll take that trade if we are talking about serious use, vice competition.

YMMV. It's a free country, and I'm not expecting to change anyone's mind. Just thought a few Glockers would like to think their procedure through and choose what best suits their needs. :)

[braindead0]

One final point, if handover is the only proper method.. why does the manual clearly state you can use either (making no note of preference either)?

Shouldn't they outta fix that?

As far as making mistakes, I've seen 3 people handover a loaded gun and eject a live round out of habit. That will never happen using the slide lock.

And, if you use the Israeli method of racking the slide, you must have a different practiced set of moves to clear a jam anyway.

I don't think handover qualifies as one motion to do it all.

[axel]

Check out a FIST Kydex Tuckable IWB.

[Gunboat1]

Originally posted by braindead0
One final point, if handover is the only proper method.. why does the manual clearly state you can use either (making no note of preference either)?

Shouldn't they outta fix that?

As far as making mistakes, I've seen 3 people handover a loaded gun and eject a live round out of habit. That will never happen using the slide lock.

And, if you use the Israeli method of racking the slide, you must have a different practiced set of moves to clear a jam anyway.

I don't think handover qualifies as one motion to do it all.

(sigh) Point one: because it is POSSIBLE to do either, doesn't mean one isn't better than the other.

Point two: OK, so IF you eject a live round, you get back in the fight with a reloaded gun, down one round. Wouldn't you rather have that than an empty chamber?

Point three: Israeli method? Why would any sane person use THAT obtuse technique?

Point four: I can see that. Your screen name is actually pretty apt.

I'm tired of this thread. Shoot however you want to, dude. ;P

[braindead0]

Don't care much for IWB's, do like the Fist pancake for my GP-100 though...

[braindead0]

Originally posted by Gunboat1
[B](sigh) Point one: because it is POSSIBLE to do either, doesn't mean one isn't better than the other.
Correct.

Point two: OK, so IF you eject a live round, you get back in the fight with a reloaded gun, down one round. Wouldn't you rather have that than an empty chamber?
How are you on an empty chamber by releasing the slide with the catch?

Point three: Israeli method? Why would any sane person use THAT obtuse technique?
My wife uses that because it's easier for her to rack the slide. In fact a lot of women use that method (or something very similar). Just because you don't, it's automatically wrong? I see.


Point four: I can see that. Your screen name is actually pretty apt.
And now that you have no logical arguments to make, you stoop to this kinda thing? Oh, AOL user (thus the reference to 'screen name') that explains a lot.

[Gunboat1]

Originally posted by braindead0
Correct.


How are you on an empty chamber by releasing the slide with the catch?

My wife uses that because it's easier for her to rack the slide. In fact a lot of women use that method (or something very similar). Just because you don't, it's automatically wrong? I see.


And now that you have no logical arguments to make, you stoop to this kinda thing? Oh, AOL user (thus the reference to 'screen name') that explains a lot.

OK, Try to stay with me, I'll write realllly slowly..... ;g

Re-read my previous post; it's not uncommon for a shooter reloading in a hurry to drop the slide prematurely with the strong hand thumb, resulting in an empty chamber. That's how using the slide release can lead to an empty chamber. In a match, that's an oops. In a fight, that can be a catastrophe.

"Israeli technique" is usually defined as carry with an empty chamber, draw and bring weapon to center chest, rotate top of slide 90 degrees inward. Grip slide with slingshot grip, punch weapon forward while pulling back on the slide, thereby racking the slide and chambering a round. Some instructors of his "technique" incorporate a martial arts "horse stance" into the mix. Most serious instructors here in the U.S. find this pretty obtuse. I'll just bet you that if your wife tried handover, tucked in close to the body and with the muzzle pointing left of center and pushing/pulling with both hands, she would find that easier than the above. Handover uses the gripping strength of the whole slide hand, rather than just the thumb and finger. MOST people find that easier and more reliable.

Israeli isn't wrong because I don't use it; I don't use it because it's wrong! :)

I stress again, handover is TAUGHT and advocated by the Chief firearms and armorer instructor employed by Glock USA. It is a point of a standard curriculum used in teaching law enforcement all over the country and Glock users all over the world. The data on the design of the slide stop lever and its intended use comes directly from the manufacturer of the gun in question. D'ya think they maybe know something about it? Or are you more of an authority on the combat use of the Glock than Glock?

This thread is kinda like wrestling with a pig; you just get dirty, and then you realize that the pig LIKES it!

I'm out. ;a

[braindead0]

Well, I know 3 LEO departments who are issued glocks that do not teach handover, perhaps they didn't consult with Glock (which would seem odd). Yes, that's 3 outta hundreds but it does seem very odd.. if this was universally the *only* way to do things there would be 0.

When I stated Israeli method, I'm just referring to the slide racking part (not carry empty, really doesn't make any sense with a Glock I think). She was tought how to handover during stressfire training, and could not manage it as easily or quickly.

I must admit, at least you attempt to raise logical reasons besides coming up with ridiculous claims "it'll wear out the gun", or "doing that will damage your gun if done on an empty chamber"..etc...etc (oh no, now we'll get into that aspect)

I expect to be shooting my G30 this season, perhaps I'll try to get into the handover slide drop and see how it works for me in relation to slide release.

[ducati]

braindeado you are right, when i was leo and our dept. adopted the glock, we were taught to use the slide stop/release. this was from our instrutors that just returned from the glock school. this school is the one that teaches how the glock is suppose to be used.

[braindead0]

Originally posted by ducati
braindeado you are right, when i was leo and our dept. adopted the glock, we were taught to use the slide stop/release. this was from our instrutors that just returned from the glock school. this school is the one that teaches how the glock is suppose to be used.
Oh lord, are you saying that the glock school tought using the slide stop/release? If so, I wonder when they changed?

[4eyes]

Originally posted by braindead0
Oh lord, are you saying that the glock school tought using the slide stop/release? If so, I wonder when they changed?

My guess would be in the '97/'98 timeframe when IDPA started becoming popular. IDPA mandates shooting to slide lock. Emergency wrist breakages and people getting shot during standard stages forced IDPA officials to ban slingshot slide drops.

(Ain't a word of truth in the above statement by 4 Eyes, but the opportunity was too good to pass up).

[braindead0]

My guess would be in the '97/'98 timeframe when IDPA started becoming popular. IDPA mandates shooting to slide lock. Emergency wrist breakages and people getting shot during standard stages forced IDPA officials to ban slingshot slide drops.
Well then, that sure explains a lot. :-)

[Poohgyrr]

This was probably mentioned already somewhere above, but, FWIW I'd say:
more ammo,
more mags,
more training (always want more training),
night sights, and
holster/belt/ mag holders.
;Y

[braindead0]

Originally posted by Poohgyrr
This was probably mentioned already somewhere above, but, FWIW I'd say:
more ammo,
more mags,
more training (always want more training),
night sights, and
holster/belt/ mag holders.
;Y

Got's plenty of ammo, belt..mag holdrs... haven't decided what (if any) night sites to get...

always more training.. I'm kinda lucky in that our club has weekly members only evening shoots, where we get a chance to do low light (and no light) shooting and a variety of training scenarious run by LFI and TDI instructors (although our TDI instructor is flying the coop middle of this year). So I get free training, not generally as comprehensive as many classes but a good addition to regular 'class work'. Pretty sweet deal I figure ;-)

[axel]

FIST IWB (Untucked)

[axel]

FIST IWB (Tucked)

[Alexii]

For defense and IDPA, I'd go for AO Big Dot night sights.

I'd also install a smooth G21 trigger unit hand polished by T.R. Graham.

A plug for the grip hole.

[braindead0]

Originally posted by Alexii
For defense and IDPA, I'd go for AO Big Dot night sights.
I like them on my GP-100 that's for sure. Do you have any problem with the huge front sight snagging on holsters?

I'd also install a smooth G21 trigger unit hand polished by T.R. Graham.I can hand polish the trigger myself, see no reason to pay someone to do that work.

A plug for the grip hole.
I still don't get that one, never seemed to have a problem with the 'hole'..

[Perry F.]

axel, On the IWB fist, Does the gun rest on your bare skin or is shirt under the gun? I have never used IWB just curious, thanks.

[racerkvn]

braindead
Not really sure what you are after, but as far as add ons, the only thing I did to my G30 was Hogue grips, I know alot of people said they much prefer the a-grips I never tried them, but my hand really fits good with the Hogues. My hands are kinda big, you said your hands were big too, you might want to try the Hogues, hell, their only 10 bucks, if you try them and don't like them, oh well. I like the full hand feeling of the G30 with the grips. I also did put in an extended slide release(take down lever) my fingers (finger nails)just couldn't grip the stock one. But not really sure I like it as well as I thought I would.

racerkvn

[braindead0]

Not really sure what you are after, Just getting an idea of what kinda accessories people like. I've found I can manage with the stock grip quite nicely so I'll be sticking with that. Had to cut the legs off the mag followers on all my mags to get 10rds into them (a whole other issue) but I'm setup decent.

Now all I gotta do is figure out if I'm going to shoot G30, or GP-100 or PT92 in IDPA this year ;-).. We've got a classifier scheduled in a few weeks.. Last time I shot both SSR and SSP, perhaps I'll do the same and only have to chose between G30 or PT92 ;-)

[Alexii]

Originally posted by braindead0
I like them on my GP-100 that's for sure. Do you have any problem with the huge front sight snagging on holsters?

Nope. Heinie's front sight even seemed to be taller than my AO Big Dots. Never had a snagging problem with either in any of my holsters.

[Alexii]

Originally posted by braindead0
I still don't get that one, never seemed to have a problem with the 'hole'..

The plug actually prevents debris making its way towards the internals of the gun. It's unobtrusive, almost weighs nothing-- so I deemed it a worthy addition.

[4eyes]

Originally posted by braindead0
I still don't get that one, never seemed to have a problem with the 'hole'..

Re: Plug. The plugs help speed up mag changes. They are worth $6 0r $7 for the increased speed.

[allhowl]

I'm having problems with my mags holding 10 rounds, could you share some info on how much to trim the legs? I also like the 3 & 1/2 LB trigger on mine.;)

[allhowl]

Never mind, I did a search and found lots of good advice on what to do.;)

[SilverState]

Here's what I got for mine:

Extended mag release
Extended slide release
Channel plug
Night sights
Ten mags (keep 5 loaded and 5 unloaded)
Metal bore brush
Gold Dot in bulk

If my hands were bigger, I would get the Scherers. I have them on all my 27 mags, but the 30 is big enough for me with the stock 10rnders.

[talon]

I always hear this. But tell me please. How did you find that itty bitty mag relase button in the first place ? Tell me the gross motor function you used to depress it.

After performing a fine motor skill to eject the mag we now must use a gross motor skill to release the slide ?

Originally posted by Gunboat1
The stock (not extended) slide stop lever is steeply angled and relatively smooth, as it was designed to be pushed UP on to lock the slide back, NOT to be pushed down on to release the slide. It is shaped for that purpose (locking back the slide), and to be unobtrusive so that it won't be accidentally put on by your hand while shooting if your grip is improper, and so it won't snag on holsters and such. It was NOT shaped to be pushed down on by the thumb. (Yeah, I know the manual says you can release the slide by pushing down on it as an alternate technique.) You can carve a statue with a butter knife, too, but Glock USA teaches Glock instructors that the proper method of slide release is the "handover method", sometimes mistakenly called the slingshot. (A true slingshot takes hold of the rear of the slide by pinching between thumb and index finger.) The handover has the thumb towards the chest, gripping the rear of the slide between the heel of the hand and all four fingers. Be sure not to cover the ejection port as you do this, lest you induce a malfunction! Grab a handful of slide, honk back on it hard, and let it go as it reaches the rear of its travel (don't ride it back into battery.) Big, gross motor motion, taking advantage of maximum grip strength and hand/slide surface area, for best chance of getting it done under stress, or when hand is wounded or slick with blood, mud, water, etc. Finding that little bitty lever with your thumb alone, and getting it to depress without slipping off it or missing it entirely isn't going to be easy under the stress of a fight, as it is a fine motor action, and fine motor coordination is the first thing to go when the adrenaline hits.

The Glock was designed as a fighting tool; it is best operated using techniques which will give the maximum chance of working in a fight for your life.

Now, all that said - it's your gun. Shoot it like you want to! :)

[Gunboat1]

Oh, I get it. Because we have to do ONE difficult thing, we should make a point of doing EVERYTHING the difficult way. That'll ensure our survival. Sure makes sense to me. ;g

One technique for handling the slide, for loading, clearing, malfunctions and reloads is better. Simpler is better. Gross motor is better. More surface area and gripping strength is better. Fully-compressed recoil spring power to return the slide to battery is better.

Now that DOES make sense to me. But some people will just never get it. And that's OK! It's a free country. :)

[talon]

Originally posted by Gunboat1
Oh, I get it. Because we have to do ONE difficult thing, we should make a point of doing EVERYTHING the difficult way. That'll ensure our survival. Sure makes sense to me. ;g

One technique for handling the slide, for loading, clearing, malfunctions and reloads is better. Simpler is better. Gross motor is better. More surface area and gripping strength is better. Fully-compressed recoil spring power to return the slide to battery is better.

Now that DOES make sense to me. But some people will just never get it. And that's OK! It's a free country. :)

Nope you dont get it. The point is its not that difficult. My thumb can release the mag just fine and my thumb can release the slide just fine. Or I'm gonna be so messed up I can't do either.
IMHO when you have an empty gun faster is better. I'm a big believer in what works for YOU so I won't argue with your methods.(your logic maybe).

[Poohgyrr]

Originally posted by braindead0 I still don't get that one, never seemed to have a problem with the 'hole'.. [/B]

I detail stripped & cleaned some G .40s recently. Prior to taking apart, one had a trigger that was slightly off on the squeeze. I found dust bunnies inside the spring area.

That hole in the bottom of the grip leads into that hollow space in the grip. Way up inside, a hole through the frame leads into the trigger spring area where the bunnies were. A plug, or regular maintenance & cleaning, should prevent this bunny problem. ;c

[magsnubby]

The 30 dosen't really need much in the way of modifications. A Pearce finger extension and not much else. An extended mag release does makes sense from one view point. Most people were tought to hit the slide release not reach up and grab the slide. for me it's easier to get back on target by hitting the slide release than racking the slide. It really just boils down to personal prefrence.

[lastevolution]

Originally posted by magsnubby
The 30 dosen't really need much in the way of modifications. A Pearce finger extension and not much else. An extended mag release does makes sense from one view point. Most people were tought to hit the slide release not reach up and grab the slide. for me it's easier to get back on target by hitting the slide release than racking the slide. It really just boils down to personal prefrence.

Trijicon night sights are good as well.

[quiksilver9292]

So, I must be in the minority here but I have smaller hands that just found the combo of a double stack mag and the stock glock trigger combo a bit too inaccurate..I moved to a 3.5# trigger and it was like I was shooting a different gun...now it is just like I think where i want my rounds to go, and she obeys...I reccomend the trigger mod...;P