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Shane Pratt
05-08-2004, 23:15
Thought since the .38 super is getting popular again with the surge in the 1911s right now and since reloaders love the round like I do, I thought it would be nice to have a .38 super forum.

I'll start at #1

duckslayer79
05-08-2004, 23:34
#2 here.

Im all for a 38 super forum.^5^5^5

Shane is right, its getting more and more popular.

Take Care
"duck"

dmy19
05-09-2004, 00:30
I shot a 38 super a few weeks ago... the guy said it was popular in Mexico because of some funny laws they had where the govt said civilians couldn't have bigger guns than the military... he also said that it was a very balistically accurate shell. Glock doesn't have a 38 Super, do they???

duckslayer79
05-09-2004, 07:35
Originally posted by dmy19
I shot a 38 super a few weeks ago... the guy said it was popular in Mexico because of some funny laws they had where the govt said civilians couldn't have bigger guns than the military... he also said that it was a very balistically accurate shell. Glock doesn't have a 38 Super, do they???

Nope they dont. Not yet anyway. If they were to, the minute it hit the shelf it would be mine.;f

I didnt think that any guns were legal in Mexico?

Take Care
"duck"

Longbow
05-09-2004, 13:17
Me 3 :) I think the round has so much potential for wide application. Imagine a Glock 20 chambered in .38 super! Awesome!^7

Shane Pratt
05-09-2004, 13:49
47 more to go:)

Brian Dover
05-09-2004, 16:58
Sounds Super to me, I'm in!

GSD17
05-09-2004, 17:47
Im in

duckslayer79
05-09-2004, 18:00
45 more guys!!!!!!;f;f

Take Care
"duck"

ryucasta
05-10-2004, 23:05
Count me in.

96EUNOS
05-12-2004, 16:24
Me too.

Springfield nickel plated 38 Super sissy pistol.

Shane Pratt
05-12-2004, 16:34
42 more. Come on guys we can do it.

duckslayer79
05-13-2004, 07:28
Originally posted by Shane Pratt
42 more. Come on guys we can do it.

Theres gotta be more than 42 more 38 supers fans out there;f;f;f;f;f

Come on guys!

Take Care
"duck"

E5MC
05-15-2004, 01:26
I'm in. Love those 38'salsa's. ;g

Fireman64
05-15-2004, 17:42
I would be interested.

Shane Pratt
05-15-2004, 18:35
38 more!

DannyR
05-17-2004, 04:43
I would be pleased to be a charter member and support this forum. The .38 Super is an excellent cartridge, and I may just have to get a pistol chambered for it.:cool:

duckslayer79
05-18-2004, 23:14
;d

Take Care
"duck"

straightblast
05-19-2004, 22:22
I'm in, one of my all-time favorite calibers.

grendelbane
05-20-2004, 14:44
Count me in. I owned my first .38 Super back before Gaston even thought of drastic plastic.

Currently, I am assembling a new one. Colt slide, Caspian frame. Lots of nice little touches. Everybody ought to have at least one Super!

gabriel999
05-20-2004, 18:26
Nope they dont. Not yet anyway. If they were to, the minute it hit the shelf it would be mine.

Gun ownership is a constitutional right in Mexico, legal guns to own include:
- Revolvers up to and including 38 Special
- Semi auto handguns up to and including .380
- Bolt, lever action and semiauto rifles up to and including .30 Caliber (except .223 and 7.62x59mm)and african hunting rifles up to 45 caliber
- Shotguns (semi auto, pump and double barrel) up to 12 ga. and with a barrel larger than 25"

Documentation necessary for purchase is a certificate of clean criminal record, income and place of residency certificates. The most common pistols for sale are the Glock 25 and the Beretta 84, the problem is not actually obtaining the purchase permit, but to be there when the guns arrive because they usually don´t last more than 3 or 4 days.
:)

Shane Pratt
05-23-2004, 18:53
15 more.

toast
05-23-2004, 19:08
Count me in!!!

LiberalHater
05-23-2004, 20:46
Originally posted by dmy19
I shot a 38 super a few weeks ago... the guy said it was popular in Mexico because of some funny laws they had where the govt said civilians couldn't have bigger guns than the military... he also said that it was a very balistically accurate shell. Glock doesn't have a 38 Super, do they???

Like some European countries Mexico has a set of laws that preclude civilians from owning guns chambered in the same CALIBER as the military, i.e. 9mm, 45 etc. Thus the popularity of the .38 super in Mexico. I had not heard of caliber restrictions mentioned above. That is also why Gaston made the 45 GAP, besides the fact that he wanted the Glock name on a cartridge.

Count me in for the .38 super forum, it is the original IPSC caliber of choice.

Lib

glock_19guy1983
05-23-2004, 21:30
I shot my favorite super today. count me in

duckslayer79
05-24-2004, 10:40
;d

Take Care
"duck"

Gasconade
05-25-2004, 15:34
ME TOO !

hile
05-25-2004, 17:09
What the hell, I'm in. Even though I have never fired a weapon in this particular calibre.

Gasconade
05-25-2004, 18:10
Originally posted by hile
What the hell, I'm in. Even though I have never fired a weapon in this particular calibre.

Me neither, but after watching the big boys shoot them at the steel matches and it looks like the recoil is equal to a rimfire, I'm thinking I need a new slide for my gold cup in 38 super.

Compy
05-25-2004, 21:47
The .38 super has always intrigued me. Sign me up.

duckslayer79
05-26-2004, 00:41
;d

Take Care
"duck"

gabriel999
05-26-2004, 09:23
12 more here. The 38 Super rules!

duckslayer79
05-27-2004, 02:47
I figured I would list all the chater members that have placed there vote. Here they are in order:

1. Shane Pratt
2. duckslayer79
3. Longbow
4. Brian Dover
5. GSD17
6. ryucasta
7. 96EUNOS
8. E5MC
9. Fireman64
10. DannyR
11. straightblast
12. grendelbane
13. toast
14. LiberalHater
15. glock_19guy1983
16. Gasconade
17. hile
18. CompensateThis
19. gabriel999

Come on folks;f;f;f

Take Care
"duck"

Shane Pratt
05-27-2004, 06:01
I have some that signed up through email too, Duck. I'll post their names later when I get some free time.

gabriel999
05-27-2004, 18:42
Since you are all interested in the 38 Super I´m going to tell you a story I was told some years ago (from a very reliable source)

It happened in the 50´s, a bodyguard of president Miguel Alemán, he carried a Colt .38 Super (it is a sure thing it was loaded with 130 grain ball because that was all there was available at the time). During a tour of the state of Veracruz, our man was in the process of having extramarital sex with a woman when they were caught by the naturally enraged husband, who was a very obese man. The husband grabbed his machete and charged the Super carryng guy who then emptied all 8 rounds (it being the custom of the day to carry your Colt chamber empty) into the man, whose only reaction was to chase the other guy (his pistol now on slide lock)for 8 blocks before he finally sat down and died. It is unknown why the husband tried to hack up the bodyguard, since another loaded .38 Super was found on his body.
Even though there are several stories like this one regarding the poor stopping power of the Super´s 130 grain FMJ, it is still a favorite in the rural areas of Mexico.

grendelbane
05-27-2004, 18:59
That is the second time this week that I have heard some one say that .38 Super mags hold 8 rounds.

I have two .38 Super pistols, a Gov't model, and a lightweight Commander. Every magazine I have ever seen has been 9 rounds, except for some 10 round versions. I have never seen an 8 round .38 Super magazine.

Why were there 8 round versions, when the 9 round works so well? I apologize for hi-jacking this thread, and now return to regularly scheduled programming.

gabriel999
05-27-2004, 19:01
Yes, you are right. Colt .38 Super magazines hold 9 rounds.
I stand corrected.
;P

Shane Pratt
05-30-2004, 19:10
^

Gasconade
05-30-2004, 19:53
Originally posted by grendelbane
That is the second time this week that I have heard some one say that .38 Super mags hold 8 rounds.

I have two .38 Super pistols, a Gov't model, and a lightweight Commander. Every magazine I have ever seen has been 9 rounds, except for some 10 round versions. I have never seen an 8 round .38 Super magazine.

Why were there 8 round versions, when the 9 round works so well? I apologize for hi-jacking this thread, and now return to regularly scheduled programming.

grendelbane, I'm surprised you haven't had more people say they hold 8 rounds. I've never seen one either, but they do/did exist. Check out this link

I tried a link to it and it didn't work so:
Go to www.e-gunparts.com (Numrich Gun Parts) and search on
1911 38 super magazine

You'll find the 8 rounders there along with the 9 rounders.

Kuroineko
05-31-2004, 21:20
I plan to purchase a .38 Super soon. Count me in! :)

Tracer
06-02-2004, 17:08
One more.
tracer

Adam Thiel
06-11-2004, 18:15
I just bought a new Colt .38 Super today. ;Y I'm in.

Gasconade
06-11-2004, 19:41
Originally posted by Adam Thiel
I just bought a new Colt .38 Super today. ;Y I'm in.

Congrats ! Did you get it for a good price?

Adam Thiel
06-11-2004, 20:15
Thank you :) . I probably paid the going rate out here in CA. But the gunshop I've dealt with for many, many years (The Stockade) has had the absolute best guys to help me. Even if I had to pay top dollar, I wouldn't mind. I also had the luxury of looking at a couple, which I like. When it comes to Colts, I really don't like the idea of buying one sight unseen.

The Series 80 I got is the enhanced model with the older MKIV rollmark. But it is brand new, with the new barrel with the dimple in the feedramp, as well as the super long trigger like on the new rollmarks. It's a real beauty. I read that Colt is switching over to the new rollmarks on their .38 Supers. Once they've made the complete switchover, I can see the day when the old rollmark guns will no longer be on the "CA legal" list. So I grabbed this while I could. I've always liked the MKIV rollmark, and it has the deep bluing. My new rollmark Colt .45 has the grainy finish to it. I suspect that the new rollmark .38 Supers will also exhibit the same grainy finish. This is my first .38 Super; I never even fired one before; but I can't wait.

grendelbane
06-11-2004, 20:23
with the new barrel with the dimple in the feedramp,

OK, I admit it! I am out of the loop! What is this about a dimple in the feed ramp?

I have been shooting a .38 Super over 20 years, and I never felt that the feed ramp needed a dimple! What is going on?

Next year, every car in America will have holes in its sides.

Adam Thiel
06-11-2004, 20:33
For the last year or two, the new Colt barrels have a small groove in the feed ramp. Apparently, it ensures more reliable feeding for hollowpoints and some of the exotic cartridges. Over at the 1911 Forum, one of the members (Mark 1648), who is a Colt employee, stated that this barrel has drastically reduced the returns that Colt gets from customers who claim that their guns are unreliable. The new barrels are also super accurate.

I've noticed that all the new Colts exhibit a super tight lockup; as opposed to some of the Series 70s and early Series 80s that I've handled. In short, the new Colt 1911s are absolutely first rate, excellent sidearms. Maybe some of the best Colt has ever made.

grendelbane
06-11-2004, 20:53
I bought a new Colt 70 series .38 Super back in 1983. It was a constant battle to keep it fed hollow points that it would feed. Nothing seemed to help. Remington JHP worked well, as did Hornady, until they changed the profile of their bullet, (which Remington also did later). Sierra was hopeless. Speer's contribution to the effort was a 125 grain JSP. (Remember it?). It had the dual ability of neither feeding well, or expanding.

I blame most of the problem on the collet style bushing. They only made one size bushing, and the .38 Super, and 9mm barrels were enlarged at the muzzle to fit the bushing. Closer to the chamber, the barrel was much smaller. I recently purchased a pre-70 series barrel and slide, on E-Bay, of all places, and it seems to feed much better.

Does anybody else remember the 125 grain .38 Super cartridge that Winchester sold in the early 80s? Basically, it was their .357 revolver bullet, seated into a .38 Super case. It did not feed well in my .38 Gov't model either. I have a relatively early production LW Commander that will feed anything, however. ;a

A_Swede_17_1911
06-12-2004, 00:24
sign me up for the .38 super forum, theres one made by RIA in the case at the local dealer ive been looking at.

mb1129
06-20-2004, 15:14
I'll take a Glock in 38 Super !

Gasconade
06-20-2004, 20:58
Originally posted by mb1129
I'll take a Glock in 38 Super !

I want a real gun in .38 super ! I'll have a Tac Four in .38 Super thank you. Then next, I'll have a P18-38 in .38 Super.

Of course, there isn't such a thing yet but I can dream.

Dead Man's Hand
07-04-2004, 02:18
I ran across this thread looking for info on the .38 Super, a club would be useful. Sign me up! :)

SMITH45
07-04-2004, 06:46
i dont no much about the 38 super,but i am interested enough to be in.if glock would make one i would buy it.(heard they are very accurate;f

Fireman64
07-04-2004, 11:39
Any info. on this club.

Clyde
10-03-2004, 21:12
Super Nut

So far just Single stacks.....

Hmmm

Double Stack not to far behind.... (fingers crossed)

4eyes
10-03-2004, 21:26
I'm in. How many do we have?

mikebrng
10-25-2004, 14:51
Originally posted by Shane Pratt
Thought since the .38 super is getting popular again with the surge in the 1911s right now and since reloaders love the round like I do, I thought it would be nice to have a .38 super forum.

I'll start at #1 I am having a racegun built in 38 super comp" rimless 38 super :)

4eyes
10-25-2004, 16:30
Mine functions fine with 38 super or super comp. Seems like an extractor tune rather than a chambering issue. Anyone enlighten me otherwise?

mikebrng
10-26-2004, 21:35
Originally posted by 4eyes
Mine functions fine with 38 super or super comp. Seems like an extractor tune rather than a chambering issue. Anyone enlighten me otherwise? If you reload try vitavouri powder this will maxamize the velocity on your of your 38 super. The reasons I chose super comp the comp works better in hi cap mags.The other reason I chose the comp is regular 38 super headspaces on the rim.Due to differents of rim thickness from different manufactorers is where 38 super had problems. Supercomp headspaces on the shoulder which is more accurate. An extractor tune would be nessassary to shoot comp. The 38 supers biggest pain in the tail was to this day SAMMI has not standardized the the standard dimensions of the case. Hope this helps Sincerely mikebrng If I can ever help you let me know. My name is Michael Browning Email mikebrng@comcast.net

Lou Abbott
10-29-2004, 06:30
:)
Count me in as well. I am currently building one on a Caspian frame.

4eyes
10-29-2004, 07:42
Originally posted by mikebrng
reason I chose the comp is regular 38 super headspaces on the rim.Due to differents of rim thickness from different manufactorers is where 38 super had problems. Supercomp headspaces on the shoulder which is more accurate. An extractor tune would be nessassary to shoot comp. [/email]

Thanks Mike. I built my gun with lots of local pro help (fat handle Caspian). Chambered short so the super chambers on the mouth like comp (actual comp chamber?). It shoots super and comp interchangably and the same loadings in either brass are equally accurate. I run both brass through the mag at the same time. This is a 3 barreled gun in 40 , 9, and 38 super. I use one recoil spring and extractor for the 40 and a different recoil spring and extractor for the 9 and 38 super. Same extractor for the 9 and super. Same ejector (EGW long)works for all 3. No breechface problems to date.

Dumb luck maybe on the super/comp function. I tuned on the extractor until it functioned super and comp. No change when I added the 9mm barrel later.

dougader
11-27-2004, 18:03
Why haven't I noticed this club before? I have a SA 9x23 Winchester and also shoot scrounged 38 Super brass from the range that I reload relatively light in comparison to my 9x23 loads.

I'd love a double stack glock in 9x23 or a Caspian.