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lopressor
04-14-2001, 05:42
I have been shopping on the web and other places for 500 or 1000 round pricing for range ammo (new) not remanufactured. I found at www.natchezss.com (http://www.natchezss.com) Magtech @ $7.60 per box of 50. Does anybody know a better price and where to get it?
Chris
Dusty Bottoms
04-14-2001, 19:09
Also at Natchez, S&B ammo, which in my opinion is higher quality than Magtech, is one cent cheaper, @ $7.59 per 50.
I pay $150. cash for a case no shipping, I just asked at my local gun shop . You might want to try you never know.
Guns equal Freedom
04-15-2001, 13:00
The Sportsmans Guide has American Ammo (not reloads) going for $129 a case of 1,000. If you use the 20% discount coupon in your latest issue of the NRA rag it about pays for shipping. It cost me $123.19 for a case to my front door.
Follow the link!
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/showad.html?promo_code=WX0&item_id=32076&dc_id=60
This is the actual offer:
WX0 - 32076 - American Ammo™ .40 S&W 180Gr. C3 1000rds. $129.00
Originally posted by Guns equal Freedom:
The Sportsmans Guide has American Ammo (not reloads) going for $129 a case of 1,000. If you use the 20% discount coupon in your latest issue of the NRA rag it about pays for shipping. It cost me $123.19 for a case to my front door.
Follow the link!
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/showad.html?promo_code=WX0&item_id=32076&dc_id=60
This is the actual offer:
WX0 - 32076 - American Ammo? .40 S&W 180Gr. C3 1000rds. $129.00
How much of that stuff have you shot? American (based in Miami, FL) is said to be some of the worst factory ammo money can buy.
Guns equal Freedom
04-15-2001, 20:12
I have shot about 300 rounds of it, it's good stuff for cheap factory loaded range ammo.
It is on par (by my calibrated arm, eye, and shot placement) with UMC or PMC 180 stuff.
Buy a box and try it, make that decision on your own, don't take someone elses word.
GEF
American Ammo (out of Florida) IS some of the worst ammo you can buy. I won't use it or sell it to anyone else.
H.M. Murdock
04-17-2001, 04:59
I agree with the assessment of American Ammo. It's junk.
But you can get 165gr. PMC from the Sportsman's Guide at $7.97/box (if you order 3 or more boxes). That's a case for about $160. Then, when you apply the 20% discount, you're getting a great deal!
Guns equal Freedom
04-17-2001, 19:30
So can any of you tell me why American Ammo is junk?
I load my magazines, I insert them into my Glock, it goes bang everytime I pull the trigger.
The stuff is plinking and practice ammo, not self defense or target ammo.
It's so funny to read these posts, I can remember back about 3-4 years ago when everyone was saying that PMC ammo was crap.
Like I said, unless you have tried it you can't properly judge it.
GEF
topcop503
04-19-2001, 08:21
GEF, I'm with you. I bought a case and have shot 1/3 to 1/2 of it and have had no problems at all.
Again, using it for general plinking and practice before I have to requalify at the range.
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Here's a quick summary of what I've learned: brass is weaker, bullets are copper washed, not plated (leading becomes an issue), and there was more but I forget. Shoot it if you want. It's your gun. I like PMC, the big 3 http://glocktalk.com/docs/gtubb/smile.gif, S&B, and hopefully soon my own reloads.
rider2000
04-22-2001, 12:49
If you live in Oregon or Washington, a store called BI-Mart usually has a sale on Winchester pistol ammo about once a month.
A couple weeks ago I stocked up on .40 and .38 for $8.99 a box. .45 auto and 357 mag cost $11.99 a box. Full metal jacket (357s are hollow point. No shipping, no waiting.
It's great range ammo and a hell of a lot better than that bulk crap from Sportman's Guide (IMO).
RorySten
04-23-2001, 17:57
Greetings,
I've been using Ammerican Ammo both in 9X19 and .40S&W this last winter shooting IPSC matches and had no problems. As to these bullets being only "copper washed" that's what made them ideal for me since I was shooting at a small indoor range which doesn't allow jacketed bullets, (except frangibles like Ranier or SinterFire -big $$$.-) Since American Ammo is just "copper coated" I was allowed to use them. I don't reload yet and even if I did I wasn't excited about the throwing raw leaded bullets down my stock G35 barrel.
Yes, it's a little dirty, but I clean my guns after every use anyway so no big deal.
Be safe, be aware, and remember to have fun,
and George W is doing just fine thank you very much...
Rory
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NRA Member
GSSF Member
Where exactly do I find this coupon for 20% off?
Here is my experience with Ammerican Ammo. I bought a 1000 rounds for a little over $7.00 a box. I have 100 rounds left. Since I bought it I have had one bullet get stuck in the barrel, and one that was severly under charged. The bullet actually cleared the barrel but I felt no recoil, and the empty casing remained in the chamber. And lastly, which I found kind of interesting, I had the outer copper wash/plating actually come off of a bullet and get lodged in the target. Needless to say I now have a fresh 1000 rounds of Federal in the closet. I do have to admit that the price is hard to ignore.
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JAC
I am using MiWall reloaded .40 in competition (gutsy, or WHAT!). It's running $115 per 1000 rounds. Had a couple push back into the case, but very rarely a misfeed (time to replace mag springs for sure, not the ammo's fault)
I pick it up at gunshows for that price and save on shipping. I will be reloading it soon and then I will know just how good this stuff is! (grin)
check it out at: www.miwallcorp.com (http://www.miwallcorp.com)
HTH!
UPDATE - Sheesh - Just saw the part about *new* ammo in the original post (blush - I do know how to read, just forget to some times) Anyway, MiWall has 500 rounds for $85 = $8.50 per box of 50. I have used this stuff too, and it's great ammo.
Good luck...
[This message has been edited by Patrick Seeber (edited 04-24-2001).]
Originally posted by Guns equal Freedom:
So can any of you tell me why American Ammo is junk?
The stuff is plinking and practice ammo, not self defense or target ammo.
It's so funny to read these posts,
GEF
Do a search under American Ammo at Glock Talk. You will find some threads that will probably cause you to be a little less cocky about the fact that you haven't YET had a problem. I don't think all of those people invented all of those incidents.
I can buy Blazer, UMC and American Eagle at prices very close to that of American Ammo - so why take the chance ?? I have a relatively high regard for my Glocks and for my fingers.
Best wishes - safe shooting,
Dawg23 (Glock 19, 21, 23 and 27)
lopressor
04-24-2001, 15:13
Originally posted by dawg23:
Do a search under American Ammo at Glock Talk. You will find some threads that will probably cause you to be a little less cocky about the fact that you haven't YET had a problem. I don't think all of those people invented all of those incidents.
I can buy Blazer, UMC and American Eagle at prices very close to that of American Ammo - so why take the chance ?? I have a relatively high regard for my Glocks and for my fingers.
Best wishes - safe shooting,
Dawg23 (Glock 19, 21, 23 and 27)
Where do you buy your ammo and for how much?
Chris
Lopressor:
I buy at several sites, and find that they run specials periodically.
My FIRST preference is Natchez Shooter's Supplies (I see you have checked there). They have the best "day in, day out" prices and they have UNQUESTIONABLY the best customer serice. Have bought 40 S&W Blazer from them for as low as $7.25/box (in quantities of 10 or more boxes) when they run sales.
Second choice is place called CheaperThanDirt.com - their specials on Blazer are sometimes as good as Natchez, and their shipping charges are often lower.
Best wishes & safe shooting,
Dawg 23
Which brand of ammo would you guys get at the Natchez website?
How much "gr" should I get for my gun?
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I have never tried the S&B or the Magtech. Have always had 100% successful feed/fire with the Blazer. I SEEM to recall a thread discussing hard primers on the S&B ammo, but the older I get, the worse my memory gets, so you should try to search for any such discussions.
One "plus" for the Blazer, if you shoot at indoor ranges, is that their 165gr and their 180gr .40 ammo is Total Metal Jacket (TMJ), so you have less lead in the air to breathe. I realize that sometimes these are listed as FMJ, but I've been asured by 2 high-volume dealers that both are TMJ.
Originally posted by dawg23:
Which brand of ammo would you guys get at the Natchez website?
How much "gr" should I get for my gun?
I have never tried the S&B or the Magtech. Have always had 100% successful feed/fire with the Blazer. I SEEM to recall a thread discussing hard primers on the S&B ammo, but the older I get, the worse my memory gets, so you should try to search for any such discussions.
One "plus" for the Blazer, if you shoot at indoor ranges, is that their 165gr and their 180gr .40 ammo is Total Metal Jacket (TMJ), so you have less lead in the air to breathe. I realize that sometimes these are listed as FMJ, but I've been asured by 2 high-volume dealers that both are TMJ.
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Originally posted by dawg23:
Which brand of ammo would you guys get at the Natchez website?
How much "gr" should I get for my gun?
I have never tried the S&B or the Magtech. Have always had 100% successful feed/fire with the Blazer. I SEEM to recall a thread discussing hard primers on the S&B ammo, but the older I get, the worse my memory gets, so you should try to search for any such discussions.
One "plus" for the Blazer, if you shoot at indoor ranges, is that their 165gr and their 180gr .40 ammo is Total Metal Jacket (TMJ), so you have less lead in the air to breathe. I realize that sometimes these are listed as FMJ, but I've been asured by 2 high-volume dealers that both are TMJ.
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I've shot a bunch of S&B in 9mm. No problems yet.
Another advantage to Blazer is that their bonded jacket is less likely (they say it won't) to separate from the lead and fly back at you after hitting a hard target like steel plates.
Originally posted by Dusty Bottoms:
Also at Natchez, S&B ammo, which in my opinion is higher quality than Magtech, is one cent cheaper, @ $7.59 per 50.
Which brand of ammo would you guys get at the Natchez website?
How much "gr" should I get for my gun?
[This message has been edited by mco804 (edited 04-25-2001).]
Guns equal Freedom
04-29-2001, 19:32
Dawg23,
I searched the Glock Talk archives, I found one kaboom story with American Ammunition and two "messed up" ammo stories about it.
Plenty of "lead" and "dirty ammo" stories.
I also read the Frontsight story about the kaboom with American Ammunition and I found it to be informative.
However.....
I also found about the same amount of stories about the quality of Federal American Eagle ammo, and a kaboom story.
I did a check on every round of American Amunition I have and I didn't find anything unusual.
Tomorrow I'll weight 2 rounds out of every 50 round box I have and see if anything is different.
I also shot 75 rounds off on Saturday, I checked all of the cases and there were no cracked or deformed ones.
I can't fault any of you guys who want to shoot anything but American Ammunition. I myself clean my Glock after every shooting session, and I have yet to find it to be "leaded", any more son than anything else I shoot.
I also find it no more dirty than PMC or S&B ammo.
Lastly, if I went by other peoples experinces with the Glock 40 as a series then i would of never bought one. I mean everyone knows that Glock 40's don't have a fully supported chamber and they go kaboom all the time. That's what I read on the internet anyways.
Thanks again for the tips. The search proved to be most informative.
I will be calling American Ammunition tomorrow and asking for information.
DP Glocks
05-10-2001, 05:15
Are you going to call American Ammunition and ask them point blank if their ammo is crap? :-) I've had an awful lot of customers tell me that the brass from American ammo can't be reloaded because it is so weak. One of the owners of the shop I work in had a S&W 37 Airweight EXPLODE in her hand using American ammo, and we have the gun and tiny pieces of the case that were left, along with dents in the plate steel on the range where the topstrap and chunks of cylinder hit, and she has nerve damage in her hand and arm to prove it! Of course both American and S&W's first reaction was "hmm...why don't you send us the gun so we can inspect it..." HA! that'll be the day. Anyway, just be careful with American ammo, ESPECIALLY with a Glock with unsupported cases.
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Baron Holbach
05-17-2002, 04:14
I fired 100 rounds of American Ammunition 230 grain .45 ACP ball through my Sig P220 and had two misfires. If you look closely at the FMJ bullets, you will notice irregular surface and indentations. If the ammo works for you, fine. Use it. I do not plan to ever shoot American Ammunition again.
Stevie T
05-18-2002, 22:35
I bought a case of American Ammo in .45 ACP. When I tried to reload it, the case was so weak, that it bulged upon seating the bullet making the round unchamberable. I'd say that unless you can get it for less than CCI Blazer, go with something else.
The Pontificator
05-19-2002, 13:29
I'll ask Grenadier to put in his two cent's worth as to why American Ammunition is absolute junk. Somehting to do with the fact that the bullets aren't really "jacketed" and the brass is harder than most due to the addition of inferior metals (to save cost).
American brass (stamp is "A-merc") is absolutely unuseable for reloading purposes.
The Pontificator
05-19-2002, 13:31
Botach Tactical has frequent ammo sales on IMI ammo (Israeli) and their 155 gr .40 FMJ is cheap, about $130/1000 plus shipping.
grenadier
05-19-2002, 14:24
Argh!
American Ammunition is horrible stuff.
First of all, the bullets they use are NOT the same as Speer's excellent Total Metal Jacketed bullets! They use a soft lead bullet that is copper washed with a flimsy coating. You can lead your barrel up by using this stuff.
Secondly, their consistency is awful. You will get the worst standard deviation from this stuff. Sometimes, you may even get double charges.
Thirdly the brass is absolutely the worst. They use a brittle alloy that does not resize very well, and develops bulges during the seating and crimping stages. The result is a round that often times does not chamber, and if it does chamber, you run the risk of firing out of battery. (BOOM to your lovely firearm :( )
American Ammunition is the worst stuff around, as dirty as WOLF, as inconsistent as the worst of reloads, and just plain inaccurate. Please do not use this, for your own safety, and for the integrity of you firearms.
Get yourself a press and start reloading. If you shoot a lot, It can pay for itself in short order. I have a progressive Dillon 550B and can crank out about 200-250 rounds per hour. Gives me something to do when I'm not at the range.
Get yourself a press and start reloading. You'll be able to practice more or buy another Glock with the money you'll save you. I have a progressive Dillon 550B and can crank out about 200-250 rounds per hour. At any given time I'll have 500 to 1000 rounds of .40 S&W and 357 SIG loaded and ready to go. Gives me something to do when I'm not at the range.
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