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Colorado Fatboy
06-25-2004, 22:08
Normally I carry my spare mag in my watch pocket of my jeans, since that is what I wear 90% of the time. It seems the Kahr mags like to release the cartridges? I don't know why, I've carried both Glock and Kel Tec mags in there and never had a problem.
Can anybody suggest a mag carrier? As much as I HATE to have something else on my belt.
It seems like there is something strange about the way the cartridges sit in the magazine. It's like the next round is NOT pointing straight up (I will attach a picture). Anybody else notice this? I noticed today when hand cycling it would FTF, not all the time just a few. It would stick on the feed ramp. I really had to smack the slide to get it to feed. Makes me wonder about bullet setback becoming a problem. The feed ramp seems to be polished good, but I could allways do a little more.
Doesn't seem to have any problems when firing though.
Thanks in advance.
i'd call Kahr. IIRC, someone on pistolsmith.com said he had this same problem ( i know one of my 4 mags does this as well, but i never remember to mark them) and he called Kahr. I believe they replaced the mag body as a warranty issue.
Both of the mags that came with my Kahr do that also. I didn't really think much about it since the gun feed and shot fine.
my understanding is that there are two different mag designs. I have some of both--one appears sorta yellowish, while the other looks like plain ol' polished SS. Unfotunately, it won't show up on my digi cam, otherwise i'd take pics.
I have never had that problem, but I can suggest a solution with 2 words.
Milt Sparks
CF, I'm sure kahr could answer better but I believe the mag is designed to allow the top bullet to "stand" up for entry into barrel
and yes I can see how carrying in pocket would be a problem with
kahr mags,(I have also done this but with different brand gun).
Also I would caution against pushing on slide or forcing into chamber,
for sure not a good idea on a carry gun, perhaps ok on a full size
range pistol. If the cartridge doesnt want to feed problem with gun
or ammo.
Wulfenite
06-26-2004, 10:43
I have the same problem. Occasionally loose round in my pocket. I always just figured that that's the way it is.
Michigun
06-26-2004, 14:27
Some of my Kahr magazines are more prone to popping out rounds then others... it’s the way they’re designed. Kahr has that off-set feed ramp (one of the reasons the overall design can be so thin) so the mags need to be a little funky for proper function. The tradeoff is that they can pop out ammo if not properly carried... really not a huge issue for me though as I don’t like to carry any mag in my pocket because of lint & stuff. Could be bad news if not cleaned regularly! I also like to find mags in the exact same position I put them in every single time.
I need to get a magazine pocket holster myself for carrying a spare mag or 2 in my offside pocket (a pocket holster should keep out any foreign particles nicely)... been carrying a spare 7-rounder for my P9 Covert in a cheap belt knife sheath for a while now, but a pocket holster specifically made for carrying mags in a pocket would be nice. Thought about getting the biggest soft Uncle Mikes holster (that way it would match my Uncle Mikes pocket holster I use for my Covert) I can find & turning it into a double Kahr magazine pocket holster... with a pair of scissors & needle/thread it should be a VERY easy task!
I wish FIST made a OWB kydex double mag carrier (it doesn’t look like FIST makes (in leather or kydex) a double mag holder for ANY gun) like their #30 for the Kahr magazine... with its theoretical size it should work perfectly for both belt & pocket carry applications! (Hmmm... maybe I should contact FIST with the idea! :))
(It would seem that FIST (or any holster manufacture for that matter) could whip up a nice pocket holster easily!)
I do believe R.J. Hadely (sp?) makes a pocket specific holster for the Kahr magazine... or at least he has. Does Milt Sparks bayerta?
FYI Colorado Fatboy, oldguy is right on about everything.
ALL of my Kahr magazines hold the rounds like your pictured one & so do other magazine designs too! That’s the way they’re supposed to. No problem with that.
By the way, “hand cycling” isn’t a very sound “trouble shooting” technique. Things definitely work differently with live fire. Most importantly is how the gun does while shooting of course.
Colorado Fatboy
06-26-2004, 14:47
Thanks guys, I appreciate all the great advice. Just wanted to be sure. That way if there is a problem I can correct it before it becomes a problem when it could mean life or death!
I saw an Uncle Mikes mag holder the other day, don't know if it will work or not, I need to check it out more. I may try that or the knife case like Michigun uses sounds like a good idea too. At least until I can find one that I want to order or have made up.
The thing that really worries me about losing a round is the popping noise it makes! If I was in a situation where I was around people who don't know I carry (which is everybody but my wife) that noise would be a little hard to explain!
AggieMax
06-26-2004, 17:12
Not sure if I understand what you guys are looking for, but I have two OWB single magazine carriers that I use for Kahr magazines from Comp-Tac. It could easily slip into your offside pocket and would definitely protect that "loose" round. I am extremely pleased with their products and service.
Michigun
06-26-2004, 19:33
Originally posted by Colorado Fatboy
The thing that really worries me about losing a round is the popping noise it makes! If I was in a situation where I was around people who don't know I carry (which is everybody but my wife) that noise would be a little hard to explain!
Naaa, that wouldn't be hard to explain at all... if someone notices just scream at the top of your lungs & grab your crotch while falling into the “fetal position”! ;f
ProfMoriarty
06-26-2004, 21:53
Kahr mags are notorious for coughing up their contents given enough time and movement.
I use an Alessi double mag pouch. Very low profile and easy one-way snap belt attachment.
Colorado Fatboy
06-27-2004, 08:25
Originally posted by Michigun
Naaa, that wouldn't be hard to explain at all... if someone notices just scream at the top of your lungs & grab your crotch while falling into the “fetal position”! ;f
;z LMAO!
I guess I'm on the outside looking in. None of my Kahr magazines for my P40 or PM9 unexpectedly loose ammo. My spare PM9 magazine is sitting right here and I compared it to Colorado Fatboy's attached picture and it looks identical. Could it be that your magazine springs have become "lazy"?
My seven rounder did that. They should not do that. I called Kahr and they sent me a new one free of charge. I aked for a six rounder and got it..
sensei
Does Milt Sparks make a pocket specific holster for the Kahr magazine bayerta?
Yes they do. I highly recommend the PCH-M and all other Milt Sparks products. You wil not regret it.
Make Mine a .45
06-29-2004, 17:45
Call Kevin at KD holsters. He'll make you a nice magazine sheath which will allow you to carry your spare in your pocket with confidence.
I carry my spares in them and have yet to have had any Mag leakage!
He is reasonably priced too.
http://kdholsters.com/ (http://)
ColoradoPacker
07-04-2004, 02:55
Happens to me too - I keep a 7 rounder in my jeans watch pocket (coin pocket) and it often loses 1-2 rounds. I just make sure I check it in private 3-4x a day and catch it before it comes out completely.
I use one of those handle covers that comes on the Fajita pan at Chili's restaurant to carry my spare magazine in the pocket. They were giving them away free at a restaurant supply store one day. A buddy of mine just took one from Chili's but had a problem with dogs following him around until he washed it.;f
Colorado Fatboy
07-04-2004, 07:30
Thanks guys, I have noticed if I carry my Benchmade in my weak (left side) pocket the magazine seems to hold the rounds better. Must be the knife pushing up against it is causing them to come out. I've got a mag carrier on order, for now I'll carry my knife weak side.
Dandapani
07-09-2004, 12:00
Originally posted by Make Mine a .45
Call Kevin at KD holsters. He'll make you a nice magazine sheath which will allow you to carry your spare in your pocket with confidence.
I carry my spares in them and have yet to have had any Mag leakage!
He is reasonably priced too.
http://kdholsters.com/ (http://)
They have the Double Magazine Holder. Do the Kahr magazines just fit in this model? Their website doesn't seem to offer make/model specific holders nor offer dimensions. My two new 6 rounders would like a nice pocket holder :)
This is what I'm going to try:
I have some rubberbands that are about 1/2" wide by about 5" in circumference. If I slip one of them on the loaded magazine, it should be a perfect fit and keep the rounds secure.
ColoradoPacker
07-09-2004, 21:59
Originally posted by Catbird
This is what I'm going to try:
I have some rubberbands that are about 1/2" wide by about 5" in circumference. If I slip one of them on the loaded magazine, it should be a perfect fit and keep the rounds secure.
This way when you try a tactical reload you'll get the mag stuck when you don't remove the rubber band.
I'd rather be one round short...
Originally posted by ColoradoPacker
This way when you try a tactical reload you'll get the mag stuck when you don't remove the rubber band.
This is the basic procedure:
1. Remove the empty magazine from the gun.
2. Remove the spare magazine from your pocket.
3. Remove the rubberband from the spare magazine.
4. Insert spare magazine into gun with bullets facing forward.
5. Chamber round #1 using your preferred method.
6. Aim and pull trigger.
7. When empty, go to #1, above.
Dandapani
07-10-2004, 07:11
Originally posted by dmobrien2001
They have the Double Magazine Holder. Do the Kahr magazines just fit in this model? Their website doesn't seem to offer make/model specific holders nor offer dimensions. My two new 6 rounders would like a nice pocket holder :)
I contacted KD and received a nice reply from Kevin (the 'K' in KD?). They are going to make me the double mag holder for my two new Kahr 6 rounders. Pocket carry! $20 + $2 shipping. Very reasonable. The email response was tremendous. Provided about 6 different ways to pay. Said I can even call with credit card. Told me when he'd be in the office today. Outstanding!
Colorado Fatboy
08-09-2004, 11:14
I finally got around to solving my problem. Here is what I'm using now. It's from Rafter S Gunleather, I just throw it in my pocket and it works great. It's nice to have the option of putting it on a belt also. I did get a belt from Rafter S also and it is GREAT as well.
Here is a pic:
I've been watching this thread with interest, as I carry a spare in my weekside pocket- No problems until today, when I Tried to pay for lunch with a $5, two quarters and a 9mm... I've got an order in with KB also. I also called Kahr and discussed it with the resident armorer- His statement was that their "design" requires a high lift on the first round in the magazine to load correctly and "inadvertent" release if possible if not carried in a protected environment. I think I'll stick with the mags I have as they all feed well and I'll just watch my rotation to see if one mag is continually coughing up a round early.
Old NFO
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1907 Bisley Colt (38-40), 1911A1, G17, G26, G34, P9
I think I'm going to start looking for a Cordura belt sheath designed for a pocket knife....preferably one that has a fold-over flap with velcro.
Gunmeister
08-10-2004, 06:21
COLORADOF/B -- IMHO, carrying a spare magazine in your pocket is not the way to go, it will collect lint and other pocket debris. I use a belt case that came with a lock back knife. It's cheap, easy to get at and keeps the loaded mag clean. These are easily found at most flea markets and gun shows. The uneducated observer thinks you are just carrying a legal knife.
As for the FTF problem. Kahrs are built pretty darn tight, when new all of my Kahrs were a little fussy to feed while hand cycling. This normally eases up after a few hundred rounds. The prefered method of charging the gun is the slingshot method, which works well on my guns. Also it won't hurt to do some Dremel work on the feed ramp to get it extremely smooth. Failing that, get yourself some Cor-Bon PowR-Ball ammo and your feed problems will be gone.
I formed a habit years ago of tapping the back of a loaded mag on the palm of my hand just to ensure all rounds are seated properly. After you sling shot charge your Kahr, when you remove the magazine the next round will be pointed nose high. That's the way it's supposed to be.
Originally posted by Gunmeister
I formed a habit years ago of tapping the back of a loaded mag on the palm of my hand just to ensure all rounds are seated properly. After you sling shot charge your Kahr, when you remove the magazine the next round will be pointed nose high. That's the way it's supposed to be.
Good point Master Chief- That's an automatic from years of shooting 1911's in the military- Those were so loose they rattled like a kids toy http://glocktalk.com/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=2910550#
http://glocktalk.com/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=2910550# I had ordered a vest from Kahr, it came in yesterday and has two nice little sleeves in the vest for two magazines. I'll use them in the interim until I get a mag carrier. It's hard to find single stack 9mm mag carriers!
Thanks again-
Jim- Old Mustang Navy NFO
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