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rick458
07-03-2004, 18:29
I run both Netscape 7.1, and IE.
Netscape I have set up to block popups, but some vidio files wont work properly.
IE does everything but is buggy as all getout, and popups out the butt.
I have heard about Mozilla but am clueless about it.
I prefer Netscape over IE, but which browser is really the best out there.
P.S. I am using an HP with AMD processor2.1g with 1 gig 2700 DDR SDRAM

NMGlocker
07-03-2004, 18:33
Firefox
http://www.mozilla.org/

rick458
07-03-2004, 18:59
Trying it now, it seems much faster than either IE or Netscape
looks like the old Netscape 4 series browser, before it got all AOLed up

NMGlocker
07-03-2004, 20:26
Search here on the GT Tech forum for pipelining and Firefox speed up, it makes it even faster.
No pop-ups, tabbed browsing, customization and speed make Firefox #1.

plato
07-03-2004, 23:23
What's the diff between the Firefox 0.9.1 and the Mozilla 1.7?

Only two things interest me, the tabbed function and FASTER speed.

I use dial up... how much faster?

Any pics of this tabbed window thing?

rick458
07-03-2004, 23:34
well I am broadbanding, but it seems at least twice as fast as Netscape, or IE.

nigneil146
07-04-2004, 00:05
Originally posted by plato
What's the diff between the Firefox 0.9.1 and the Mozilla 1.7?

Firefox is just a browser. Mozilla Suite includes a browser, email and newsgroup client, irc chat client, and a html editor.


Any pics of this tabbed window thing?

Here's a screen shot for you.

rick458
07-04-2004, 00:35
How do you get to the reload settings?

plato
07-04-2004, 00:45
Can I use Firefox with my MS Outlook Express?

That 'timed reload' function for open windows is pretty COOL.

I still don't see how the tabbed windows are any different from my minimized tabbed windows using my MS IExplorer... besides the timed reload thing.

Is FireFox faster than IE?


;c

nigneil146
07-04-2004, 01:10
Firefox is WAY FASTER than IE. The tab browsing is nice for a couple reasons. My favorite is it leaves my taskbar open for more important things than just IE. I hate how it crowds up the taskbar, but I also hate that group similar windows junk.

That timed reload thing is very nice for ebay. That is not built into firefox, it's an extension. There is an extension for everything you would ever need. You can customize the browser to look and to do anything you want.

Check out this website for a sample of some of the extensions and themes for firefox. http://texturizer.net/firefox/

Some other reasons firefox is better than IE.

No popups
None of the security vunerabilities that IE has
Customizable in appearance and function
Built in download manager

I also wanted to ask all kinds of questions and read up on why its better than IE and all that. I could kick myself for not using it sooner. My dvice would be to just install it and if you don't like it uninstall it. You really have nothing to lose since FF is free.

Also, if your going to use firefox for a browser, you should really think about thunderbird for an email client.

Just try it out, you'll be glad you did.

NetNinja
07-04-2004, 02:28
Don't you dare use Outlook Express!

Get rid of that POS!

Use Mozilla Thunderbird.

How long have you been lurking here? There are probably 100 or more posts about not using Outlook Express as your email client.

If you have Outlook use that

Harlequin
07-04-2004, 06:50
This is a copy and paste of a thread on another forum that I keep updated regularly.

For those who are tired of Microsoft program's constant security holes and lack of features, this post is for you.

The first step in computer security and reliability is to remove as much Microsoft software as possible from your computer. Since many use Internet Explorer and Outlook Express, that would cause a problem.

I've switched (permanently) to Mozilla Firefox (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/) and Thunderbird (http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/) for surfing and email, respectively.

Firefox

Rather than building a browser based on the engine of another existing browser, Firefox was coded from scratch. The download and installation is tiny compared to other browser with the same features. This is because the browser comes with everything it needs to surf the net, and that's it. Extra functions are added with extensions, allowing the user to have only the addons needed. Firefox includes tabbed browsing, cookie controls, popup blocking, and supports all internet programing code. I have yet to find a site that Firefox can't display. Things like Flash and Java are compatible with it as well.

I have the following extensions installed in Firefox 0.9.1:

Adblock (http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=10&vid=11)
Single Window (http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=50&vid=53)
TextZoom (http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=55&vid=58&category=Page%20Display)
Dictionary Search (http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=68&vid=152)
Openbook (http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=42&vid=44)
TabX (http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/clav/#tabx) (Does not seem to work in 0.9.1)

I use the Qute 2.1.2 (http://update.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=7&vid=144) theme.

Also, for fans of IESpell, there is an option to do the same in Firefox, without installing a different program. Instructions and all necessary files can be found here (http://www.4serendipity.com/journal/archives/000140.html).

In addition, adding these lines of code to the user.js file will speed up page rendering, a lot. These lines make the browser so fast it's freaky. The file can be found (on Win2K) at C:\Documents and Settings\(profile name)\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\default.***\user.js. Replace the user.js file in the profile folder with the one in this zip file. If there isn't one there, place this one there. Users have tested different settings based on computer and connection speeds, so chose the one that most closely fits your setup.

These files were modified on 6/27/2004. It turns out the line user_pref("browser.cache.disk_cache_ssl", true); is a possible, but not proven, security risk. The file can't be accessed from the internet, but the secure page is cached on your comp for any user to see! Update your user.js file to remove it.

Midrange computer (500mhz or so) on dialup connection (http://home.insightbb.com/~harlequin/midrange_dialup_user.js.zip)
Midrange computer on any broadband connection (http://home.insightbb.com/~harlequin/midrange_broadband_user.js.zip)
Fast computer (1.0 ghz and up) on dialup connection (http://home.insightbb.com/~harlequin/fast_dialup_user.js.zip)
Fast computer on DSL connection (http://home.insightbb.com/~harlequin/fast_DSL_user.js.zip)
Fast computer on cable connection (http://home.insightbb.com/~harlequin/fast_cable_user.js.zip)

It won't hurt to try several. If problems occur, just replace the user.js file with one for either a different machine or connection. You can't hurt anything.

Thunderbird

Thunderbird has all the features of OE plus built in spam filters. The filters are intuitive and "learn" as junk email is marked junk. I used to get a hundred or so spams a day, but now it's down to a couple a week. The rest automatically go. Thunderbird includes support for multiple accounts, has a built in spellchecker (which OE doesn't unless you have Office), and supports extensions and themes as well.

I have the following extensions installed in Thunderbird 0.7:

Contacts Sidebar (http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=thunderbird&id=70&vid=75)
Easy Get Mail Button (http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=thunderbird&id=110&vid=126)
Dictionary Search (http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=thunderbird&id=68&vid=153)

I've used IE and OE, Netscape, and Opera and haven't found a better combination then Firefox and Thunderbird. I'll never go back now. I think you'll find that the speed and built in features, as well as extra features that you can install, make these two programs excellent choices even if you have no problems with IE and OE. And the price is right!

G21-30
07-04-2004, 08:33
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Maxthemutt
07-04-2004, 08:51
Once you've decided you like firefox and thunderbird do you remove IE and OE?

nigneil146
07-04-2004, 09:50
TabX (Does not seem to work in 0.9.1)

Harlequin,

I'm using TabX 0.2 with FF 0.9.1 and it words fine. I got the extension from here. (http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=284)

Also, if your going to use TabX, to remove the close button from the tab bar place this in your UserChrome.css. I haven't done this yet.

/* Remove the close button on the tab bar */
.tabs-closebutton {display: none !important;}

Does AdBlock work good? I haven't downloaded it yet because I don't know how to set up the preferences to tell it what to block.

ronin_asano
07-04-2004, 15:07
Originally posted by nigneil146
Harlequin,

I'm using TabX 0.2 with FF 0.9.1 and it words fine. I got the extension from here. (http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=284)

Also, if your going to use TabX, to remove the close button from the tab bar place this in your UserChrome.css. I haven't done this yet.

/* Remove the close button on the tab bar */
.tabs-closebutton {display: none !important;}

Does AdBlock work good? I haven't downloaded it yet because I don't know how to set up the preferences to tell it what to block.

adblock works fine.

you set the preferences as you go. there's an 'adblock' button on the status bar. or you can right click objects you want to block, and add them to the filters.

ronin_asano
07-04-2004, 15:08
Originally posted by Maxthemutt
Once you've decided you like firefox and thunderbird do you remove IE and OE?

removing ie can't really be done. it's part of the os. it's also your file browser. you might want to keep it around so you can have easy access to windows updates when you need them. that's about all i use it for.

removing oe is something you should be able to do through the add/remove windows components in control panel. bring that up, uncheck the box for oe and follow the prompts.

Harlequin
07-04-2004, 15:47
I tried an install from that site. It was the exact same file and isn't working. Must be a little flaky or there's a problem with compatibility with one of my other extensions.

Maxthemutt
07-04-2004, 17:38
I've been using firefox since my last post, I like it. :)

nigneil146
07-04-2004, 18:03
I tried an install from that site. It was the exact same file and isn't working. Must be a little flaky or there's a problem with compatibility with one of my other extensions.

It could be a compatibility problem with some of the other extensions your running.

I'm not using:

Single Window
Text Zomm
Dictionary Search

I am running a whole bunch of other ones though with no problems. Here's a list:

Reload Every
Popup Count
IEview
FLST
Clone Window
Nuke Anything
TabX
Download Manager Tweak
Search Button
Disable Target For Downloads
Tabbrowser Preferences
CTC
Linky
Open Book
Show Image
Context Search
Adblock

Plus Java, Flash, Shockwave, and Calendar.

Sorry that one from that site didn't work.

Harlequin
07-04-2004, 21:24
I don't know what I did but in the process of uninstalling and reinstalling it it started working. It's a function that should be built in anyway.

Clyde in CO
07-10-2004, 17:31
holy crapola batman!


Just installed firefox, and it is amazing.

I can't believe I used IE for so long.


viva el zorro de fuego~

plato
07-11-2004, 01:38
I downloaded and ran FIREFOX... uh not impressed.

The 'speed' is actually slower than that of my IE 6.0

The tabbed windows was cool though, neat.

Alas, my IE 6.0 works great, my goggle pop-up blocker is good too.

If FIREFOX would've been faster than IE, I would've adopted it.

*sigh*

:(

David_G17
07-11-2004, 01:45
Originally posted by plato

Alas, my IE 6.0 works great, my goggle pop-up blocker is good too.


do you have pop-ups get through? i think the drudgereport and a few other sites have a way to get by google tool bar.

fwiw, firefox stops them.

nigneil146
07-11-2004, 01:55
The 'speed' is actually slower than that of my IE 6.0

I find that hard to believe.

Oh, nevermind.

I use dial up...

Did you try putting one of the codes that Harlequin posted in your user.js file?

plato
07-11-2004, 03:04
Originally posted by David_G17

do you have pop-ups get through? i think the drudgereport and a few other sites have a way to get by google tool bar.

fwiw, firefox stops them.

You're right, some get through with Google.

plato
07-11-2004, 03:05
Originally posted by nigneil146


Did you try putting one of the codes that Harlequin posted in your user.js file?

No... but I will give it a shot.

plato
07-11-2004, 03:20
http://home.insightbb.com/~harlequin/fast_dialup_user.js.zip

Would not work.

ronin_asano
07-11-2004, 06:30
Originally posted by plato
I downloaded and ran FIREFOX... uh not impressed.

The 'speed' is actually slower than that of my IE 6.0

The tabbed windows was cool though, neat.

Alas, my IE 6.0 works great, my goggle pop-up blocker is good too.

If FIREFOX would've been faster than IE, I would've adopted it.

*sigh*

:(

firefox *is* faster than ie out of the box. add the speed tweaks for page rendering and pipeling and it will leave ie in the dust.

Dandapani
07-11-2004, 06:54
Originally posted by nigneil146
Firefox is just a browser.

Here's a screen shot for you.

Yikes! It's so XP happy looking! Any other skins? I hate XP!

rick458
07-11-2004, 08:50
Does Pipelining make a difference with Broadband?

nigneil146
07-11-2004, 09:28
Originally posted by plato
http://home.insightbb.com/~harlequin/fast_dialup_user.js.zip

Would not work.

You don't run the file. You put the file in your profile folder. Check out this link here. (http://texturizer.net/firefox/edit.html)

Yikes! It's so XP happy looking! Any other skins? I hate XP!

There are tons of themes available for Firefox. Here's a little sample here. (http://update.mozilla.org/?application=firefox)

Does Pipelining make a difference with Broadband?

It makes a huge difference.

plato
07-11-2004, 19:58
The instructions for locating/creating my 'profile folder' are tedious/confusing. I use WinXP.

:soap: