Are there 1911s w/o beavertails?

[Glockspiel]

This question is about whether anyone has tried to make a 1911 more concealable by omitting the beavertail and/or using a shrouded hammer. Has it been done? Can it be done?

Many of you guys may think that such a pistol would be blasphemous to such a good design as the one JMB conceived, but variety is a sign of quality.

That said, the Ultra 1911s are pretty neat, stealth-wise.

[auto45]

Para Ordinance makes a LDA model with a short bbl, virtually no beavertail and the hammer is "flush" with the slide...so to speak.

It is a double action trigger however.

That's the closest I have seen to what you describe.

[Jim Watson]

Detonics have no projection of the grip safety filler and a bobbed hammer. There are some low mass hammers with no spur at all and The Loveless conversions pretty much eliminated the beavertail.

Mr Browning and Colt did a concealed hammer prototype about 1908 but the Army was not interested.

[rick458]

the Beavertail is not the part of the pistol that prints, it is the Handle, or Grip, an Ed Brown KOBRA package will take an angle off the bottom of the frame, where the Mainspring housing fits in, and relocates the MSH pin location higher up the frame.
I am a broke dick or I would have one of My pistols done in that style.

[Glockspiel]

Folks, thanks for your input. I'm thinking about a Government sized 1911 in a SmartCarry holster, and the beavertail up above the pubic bone.

Any reportable discomfort?

[redwinger]

my faverite 1911 variant is the good old box stock 1911 period.for example one of the many 1991 s i have had from colt.the beaver tail on the stock pistol is suficiant for this shooter(me) not to ever have benn bitten by the hammer .i m definatly thinking of having the extended bevertail on my kimber ultra carry replaced with a stock length piece.besides it would reduce the lenght of my ultra carry by at leastt an inch if not a little more.better to conceale.

[Rob96]

my faverite 1911 variant is the good old box stock 1911 period

My thoughts exactly. I have two Colt 1991A1's, and prefer the gov't style grip safety. I was just holding a Kimber with upswept beacertail grip safety, and it just wasn't feling right to me. The original grip safety gives me a feeling that the gun is anchored in my hand.

[Kruzr]

Kimber made the RCP limited edition last year. The intent was the ultimate concealable 1911.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/pistols/summerle/thumbs/UltraRCPII.jpg

[G36's Rule]

The beavertail and hammer are not a issue with concealed carry, so it is meaningless. In ANY high quality CC holster, the hammer and grip safety are keep very close to the body, and thus invisible.

The grip length is more an issue.

[rick458]

That RCP is flat out ugly

[wildehond]

Many of the Colt models do not have beavertails installed as standard.

[wicked1]

Originally posted by Glockspiel
Folks, thanks for your input. I'm thinking about a Government sized 1911 in a SmartCarry holster, and the beavertail up above the pubic bone.

Any reportable discomfort?

I carry a 1911 sometimes in my smartcarry and it is not at all noticeable however in locked and cocked mode the stock spur hammer digs in my pelvis occasionally when sitting down. Main reason for going to a glock for daily carry. Its comfortable at all times.

[D2G19]

I have seen a gun with one of those Rick458; have you shot one?

[IMAS]

Originally posted by Glockspiel
Folks, thanks for your input. I'm thinking about a Government sized 1911 in a SmartCarry holster, and the beavertail up above the pubic bone.

Any reportable discomfort?

I don't have a smart carry but my 1911 is comfortable if I put it in the front. I prefer 3 or 4 in a threat solutions ucr though. If it did rub on you then you could round off the sharp corners. I guess it depends on which one you buy.

[Jeeps]

Springfield Mil-Spec and GI models do not come with beavertails. Stock straight 1911's with very little bells and whistles, but kick ass on the range.