SIG GSR... runs into typical 1911 problems.

[Coolknight]

So SIG makes the GSR... the ultimate 1911... or so they claim. Well not much later SIGARMS runs into typical 1911 problems plus some of their own as they added some non 1911 parts.

While most GSRs run fine... many don't... you can check it out on the SIG forum... not going to provide a link.

But I must admit that this makes me smile... the Germans simply do not know how to make a 1911 and the problems they have with the GSR proves my point ;z It is not so easy to make a good 1911 dear SIG!

I guess... much better of with a GLOCK 21 then a GSR.

Regards,
Coolknight

[Jim Watson]

The Germans are not making the GSR. Those guns are assembled out of trade parts in New Hampshire, USA. Problems arise out of 1. trade parts from a variety of subcontractors, and 2. mutations to the 1911 design.

If there were 16 companies making knockoffs of P75 or G17, none, even the originals, would be of as good quality because of the rush to offer more "features" out of cheaper materials.

[fnfalman]

When you want a SIG, then you need to get a SIG and not something that they overstamped with their names (i.e. GSR, Trailside, etc.)

[gudel]

heh... even some of the americans can't even do it right! ;f

you better stick with the real deal horsey. if copies can't do, the real deal works.

[mark123]

Bah, my Kimber is fabulous! 100% perfect.

[45acp4me]

Your "I hate Sig now that they are American and German owned" is showing right through. They don't deal with the Swiss anymore, get over it. You start a thread on a gun you don't even own and probably haven't even fired.

So have you fired a GSR yet?

Regards,
Glen

[Screaming .357G]

My Kimber Stainless TLE is PERFECT 100% as good as it gets.

[live-free-r-die]

The problem is that people expect a gun that was designed to have loose tolerances to run well when it is hand fit.

1911's are great but you have to break them in, keep them dripping in oil and find ammo your gun likes.

If your life depends on it, carry a Glock, or HK.

BTW I love my GSR, but it took 1000 or so rounds to break in.

[gudel]

I never really needed to break-in my NRM 1911 ;)
Works out of the box.

[Coolknight]

Hey I am not bashing the GSR here, I know very well that the majority are fine guns. What I am saying is that SIG underestimated how hard it is to mass produce a 1911 type pistol, it is harder then making a P220.

SIG kind of went into the 1911 market claiming that they would carry over the same level of reliability they have with their other pistols, that's not so easy with a 1911. The level of quality ie. Kimber has reached for a mass produced 1911 is quite an achievement.

Regards,
Coolknight

[Sig Fever]

Given time, Sig will work out the bugs and produce a 1911 on par with their "Classics"! Just my URSNGEO

[gudel]

Originally posted by Sig Fever
Given time, Sig will work out the bugs and produce a 1911 on par with their "Classics"! Just my URSNGEO

the design has been around for more than nine decades, what bugs are there to fix?

build it right first time, it will work right. i can't say i have any troubles with my Colt.

[IMAS]

Originally posted by gudel
I never really needed to break-in my NRM 1911 ;)
Works out of the box.

Had the same experience with my Colt Defender and remember it's the "unreliable" 3in model. I don't think I got lucky though. I think I got a colt.

[Wildpony]

I'll put an ahmen to it. "Don't get lucky get a Colt". Kinda rolls of the toung in a nice way don't you think? It's like something you might hear The Duke say. :)

Don't go getting all offended anybody, I like Kimbers, Springfileds, RRAs, ecct. So thir defense against my statements is'nt needed.

[mdavid]

My sig GSR runs like a champ. I havn't had one malfunction with it; I have about 1400 rounds through her. It shoots great and I wouldn't trade mine for any other 1911...at least not anything under 3k.

[gudel]

"Don't get lucky get a Colt"

now if you can get lucky then get a Colt, it would've been a win-win situation!;f

[IMAS]

I don't think colt is the only good 1911, I have a whole list that I want. Sig GSR, Springfield, Kimber, S&W 1911, Wilson. My favorite is the Pony though.

[Barry Dan]

Originally posted by Sig Fever
Given time, Sig will work out the bugs and produce a 1911 on par with their "Classics"! Just my URSNGEO

The bugs were worked out about 90 years ago. The problem is with the morons who have been working them back in for the last 20 years or so.

Study a 1911 and study your Sig. Look familiar?

Be well

Barry

[jr_tex]

I agree with the last few posters. The 1911 design is reliable. It is designed to be loose and to shoot 230 grn RN bullets. That said, my original S70 colt will shoot JHP and SWC. I do have some trouble with the SWC 1 FTE in 150 I reload. But they are low powered rounds. Only 4.8 grns with a 200 grn SWC.

With 230 grn RN it feeds and fires with no problems. Imagine if we took a Glock 17, tightened the slide to the frame, used some new bullet design. I bet it would have problems, too.

Like I said the S70 works really well. I had a new Colt Commander that never hiccuped. I sold it to by the S70. I have another that I added a beavertail safety, commander hammer, lowered the ejection port and better sights. I left the short guide rod and did not have the slide tightened to the frame. It still rattles. The result is a very reliable 1911 that doesn't bite and doesn't bend my brass.:)

[mavrick]

First off, I don't begrudge anyone for having loyalty to a certain brand. That's one of the great things about America, we all get to choose. But I'll respectfully disagree with the "get lucky or get a Colt" statement. I have 5 or 6 non Colt 1911's in my safe that will shoot with anything Colt has made or currently makes, anytime, anywhere, period. I also currently own 2 Colt 1911's that are, like those I mention above, outstanding performers that I would not hesitate to trust my life to. In fact, one of those Colt's took part in a real life "situation" and it perfromed flawlessly, evidenced by the fact I'm typing this post. And finally, I'll also be the first person to admit that over the years, I've owned 1 Colt and 2 non Colt 1911's that simply didn't make the grade, needless to say, I no longer own those handguns... such is life.

In regard to the Sig GSR, as with any other company introducing a new firearm, there are bound to be issues. Every gun company goes through it and Sig is no exception. I'll apologize ahead of time to all the "true believer's" but the reality is that both Glock and Sig, as well as Kimber, Dan Wesson, Smith, etc, etc, have had their fair share of issues over the years. It's simply not a perfect world..

So, as far as I'm concerned, it pretty much comes down to what works best for you, it's all about what you like and what you shoot the best. Like I said, it's one of the great things about living in America, not only can we own guns, but we get to pick (at least for the most part) the one's we like best..

Good luck and good shooting..

mavrick

[sparky315]

I've owned 4 Colt 1911s over the years. Only one actually ran right out of the box, and the finish on it was horrible (old 1991 5"). The others ranged from marginally bad to horrible. I've heard good things about the NRM guns, but I won't buy one without handling it first and nobody around me stocks them. My 5" SA Mil-spec has run perfectly from day one and is as darn near as accurate as my custom 1911.

[IMAS]

Originally posted by sparky315
I've owned 4 Colt 1911s over the years. Only one actually ran right out of the box, and the finish on it was horrible (old 1991 5"). The others ranged from marginally bad to horrible. I've heard good things about the NRM guns, but I won't buy one without handling it first and nobody around me stocks them. My 5" SA Mil-spec has run perfectly from day one and is as darn near as accurate as my custom 1911.

Well Colt gives you a choice in finishes so if you don't like that one they offer some excellent finishes.

What sort of problems did you have? Feeding problems? Ejection problems?

[Sgt_Steiner]

I think it is true that SIG has some teething problems with the GSR but not on the level that some people want to believe. Mine runs great. High quality parts and Sig has great service if you need it. The 1911 has evolved quite alot from it's original design, much better metals and CNC machining have done wonders for reliability. I have been shooting 1911's since 1977 when I went in the Marines and have shot and/or owned pretty much all the major brands. My favorite right now is Les Baer which some people say are "too tight". But Baer owners know how reliable, accurate, and well made these pistols are.

[man0ica]

I have to agree with what Sgt_Steiner said. I have a couple of Colts, a couple of high end Kimbers, a Wilson CQB, a couple of old 1911A1's, and a GSR. The GSR runs perfectly, is accurate, and has an excellent fit and finish. I can't find anything wrong with it. O.K., I changed the grips cause I didn't like the factory grips, but other than that, it is a great pistol!