Winchester White Box as carry ammo? [Archive]

gary newport

07-14-2004, 12:18

Um, what about WWB 147 grain hollow point? The box specifies that it is for self protection (rather than target/range) and the bullet looks very modern (two-stage hollow point, deeply skived jacket, same claimed muzzle velocity as Winchester's SXT and Ranger T 147 grain loads). Of course, it's a heckuva lot cheaper than the "premium" loads. Some folks might consider that a plus! :cool:

chevrofreak

07-14-2004, 12:44

Why would you carry FMJ?

I wouldnt hesitate to carry the 115 and 147 grain Winchester JHP's though

Steve in Utah

07-14-2004, 12:59

The 9mm WWB value packs from Walmart are ball ammo and that's why you can get 100 rounds for $10.97. These are super target practice rounds, but not intended for SD unless you want ball ammo for a specific purpose.

Pay $3.00 more and get 50 HP rounds in WWB if cost is a major issue, but carrying the $10.97 value pack for SD is no fun when the Ball starts. ;a

Dandapani

07-14-2004, 13:42

Originally posted by gary newport
Um, what about WWB 147 grain hollow point? The box specifies that it is for self protection (rather than target/range) and the bullet looks very modern (two-stage hollow point, deeply skived jacket, same claimed muzzle velocity as Winchester's SXT and Ranger T 147 grain loads). Of course, it's a heckuva lot cheaper than the "premium" loads. Some folks might consider that a plus! :cool:

<img src="http://www.glocktalk.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=2801721"/>

I'm carrying and shooting the 147 WWB JHP now.

Small write up here: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258165&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

I'm finding that at least in my short barrel Kahr PM9, the 147's hit harder!

pizzaaguy

07-14-2004, 13:46

IndyGunFreak

07-14-2004, 16:21

I've been carrying the 147gr USA JHP for a while, and have always been happy with it. Performs just as most other 147's do, so why not.

IGF

neeko

07-14-2004, 16:30

When people say WWB they should be refering to the 100 round FMJ value packs.

gary newport

07-14-2004, 16:33

Originally posted by neeko
When people say WWB they should be refering to the 100 round FMJ value packs.

Not unless they are referring to WWB 100 round FMJ value packs! All Winchester USA ammo is "white box."

RichardinNC

07-14-2004, 16:41

Originally posted by SUE ROVR
Do people actually carry with this stuff? 10.97 at wal-mart per 100?

Yes.

It's all I shoot in my P-89, which has been 100% reliable.

I don't worry about the FMJ issue. The Ruger is 15+1 capacity and, in my personal opinion, lots of range time and practice with a particular weapon outweighs the FMJ vs. JHP issue. Just my way of doing things.

SUE ROVR

07-14-2004, 19:01

So I have figured out the difference. Value pack = FMJ non-value pack can be whatever but it is still in a white box.

I picked up a 100 value pack and some WWB JHP 115 (I know I know but it was the only hollow point they had as they are stopping carring hydroshock and did not have any 9mm left).

$23.25 out the door for 100 of value and 50 of JHP.

Need something to practice with. I will get some 147 HP soon, very soon.

knuckle dragger

07-14-2004, 19:15

I carry the competiton.. Remington 100rd jhp pack..in 9mm and .40 around 13.00 in 9mm and I forget what I pay for .40 ,but it is under 20.00 bucks.

CalGlock

07-14-2004, 22:02

Check this out http://www.again.net/~steve/page8f9mmluger.html ;)

SUE ROVR

07-15-2004, 14:49

Federal JCQT Zink

I am unfamiliar with this one. What is it exactly?

cl147

07-15-2004, 22:05

All Winchester USA ammo is "white box."
This is true. When I make reference to White Box ammunition, I always make a point to specify bullet weight and FMJ or JHP.

With multiple White Box loads commonly available, it helps to spell out the difference.

While I don't have the fancy pictures like that which dmobrien2001 was kind enough to sare, I will say that my personal testing of the White Box 147 grain JHP was favorable. When my supply of Rangers is gone, I'll happily switch back to the Vanilla load.

PickwickDamCop

07-16-2004, 04:11

Read http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=194344
Played with the Sig 239 in 357 for a while but switched to a 19 with 147 grainers.

Fast Shadow

07-18-2004, 19:20

I would not use FMJ for self defense, personally.

denfoote

07-18-2004, 22:03

Originally posted by chevrofreak
Why would you carry FMJ?

Cobray 9 is from New Jersey.
It's illegal for him to possess HP ammunition!!

chevrofreak

07-18-2004, 22:06

Originally posted by denfoote
Cobray 9 is from New Jersey.
It's illegal for him to possess HP ammunition!!

There are much better choices. I believe that Federals EFMJ is NJ legal.

cl147

07-18-2004, 22:21

Originally posted by Fast Shadow
I would not use FMJ for self defense, personally.
Sometimes, ya gotta make what you have work for you. While a JHP is always my first choice for personal defense, a FMJ is still a projectile.

Alexit

07-19-2004, 14:45

A MP5 won't reliably feed un-capped JHP, so I always carry it loaded with FMJ...

gary newport

07-19-2004, 17:28

Originally posted by Alexit
A MP5 won't reliably feed un-capped JHP, so I always carry it loaded with FMJ...

Interesting. Do you carry the MP5 IWB or OWB? :)

lkblair

07-19-2004, 18:14

Originally posted by Fast Shadow
I would not use FMJ for self defense, personally.

I would be scared that if I did carry FMJ, it would punch a hole through the bad guy and might kill someone behind the threat. If the killing was justifed, I would be in deep trouble in court for the maim or kill of the person behind the threat.

Would the FMJ go all the way through? I would think it would but does anyone know for sure?

gary newport

07-19-2004, 18:28

Originally posted by lkblair
I would be scared that if I did carry FMJ, it would punch a hole through the bad guy and might kill someone behind the threat. If the killing was justifed, I would be in deep trouble in court for the maim or kill of the person behind the threat.

Would the FMJ go all the way through? I would think it would but does anyone know for sure?

Maybe it would, maybe not. And, if your hollowpoint fails to expand, it will function like hardball. Terminal ballistics is not exactly a Black Art, but there are no guarantees. However, worry FIRST about rounds that miss the bad guy altogether! Those are definitely dangerous to anyone other than the bad guy.

lkblair

07-19-2004, 18:59

Originally posted by gary newport
, worry FIRST about rounds that miss the bad guy altogether! Those are definitely dangerous to anyone other than the bad guy.

Good advice! A dangerous thing to do is 'machine gun' your pistol into a bad guy, using the 'spray and pray' type of defense.

Alexit

07-20-2004, 10:03

Originally posted by gary newport
Interesting. Do you carry the MP5 IWB or OWB? :)

Open carry in tac-rig across my chest...neighbors look at me funny when I walk the dog like that but most everyone crosses to the other side of the street:cool:

Sgt_Steiner

07-26-2004, 21:22

Ball 9mm is awful for SD and the white box is not very powerful stuff.

Steve in Utah

07-26-2004, 23:11

Conversely:

WWB 9mm HP's have performed surprisingly well in ballistic gelatin tests, so using "Winchester White Box as carry ammo" is OK and can get the job done.

Alogusz

07-29-2004, 14:39

How accurate are the Win whitebox JHPs?

Sgt_Steiner

07-29-2004, 14:48

They are accurate enough that alot of people use them at IDPA and IPSC matches.

Sgt_Steiner

07-29-2004, 14:49

Yeah I didn't think of the HPs as being white box also. But for SD I'm willing to spend the $$$ for Hydrashoks or Corbons.

Originally posted by Steve in Utah
Conversely:

WWB 9mm HP's have performed surprisingly well in ballistic gelatin tests, so using "Winchester White Box as carry ammo" is OK and can get the job done.

cl147

07-29-2004, 20:31

Originally posted by Alogusz
How accurate are the Win whitebox JHPs?
I've found the 147 grain loads to be particularly accurate.

matt7184

07-29-2004, 21:37

I currently carry the WWB 147gr HP as they are cheap to practice with, ~$10 for 50.

BrokenArrow

08-05-2004, 11:31

Throug denim:

Win 115/9 USA 14/.55
Rem 115/9 UMC 10.5/.60
Win 147/9 USA 17/.55
Rem 147 GS 18/.58

RugerFan58

08-05-2004, 15:57

Originally posted by RichardinNC
Yes.

It's all I shoot in my P-89, which has been 100% reliable.

I don't worry about the FMJ issue. The Ruger is 15+1 capacity and, in my personal opinion, lots of range time and practice with a particular weapon outweighs the FMJ vs. JHP issue. Just my way of doing things. I also have a P89 Ruger. Have you ever tried the heavier bullets?? I found myself a better shot with the 147 gr. and 125 gr. bullets. After 11 years I've never had a problem with it. Nice gun !!;c

RichardinNC

08-05-2004, 16:16

Originally posted by RugerFan58
I also have a P89 Ruger. Have you ever tried the heavier bullets?? I found myself a better shot with the 147 gr. and 125 gr. bullets. After 11 years I've never had a problem with it. Nice gun !!;c

I haven't tried anything except the 115gr. FMJ White Box ammo.

BTW, I woke up a few days ago and the P-89 had turned itself into a Glock 19. ;f

Oh well, these things sometimes happen. That Ruger sure was a good old gun, though.

USMC03Grunt

08-05-2004, 16:32

Not only no but hell no!!! The 9mm FMJ round has to be the sorriest man stopper it's been my sorry privlige to see. I had a Ssgt. over in Kuwait put 6 rounds right on the numbers of a towlie and it never slowed him down for a minute. A quick burst from the M-60E3 dropped him in his tracks though! Personally, I don't have any problems with the 9mm as long as decent high performance hollow points aer used. When it comes to ball ammo though, you just may be better served by a big rock or a pointy stick. All this isn't taking into consideration the overpenetration and richochet problems associated with FMJ ammo either. If you are going to carry a 9mm, do yourself and your health a favor and stick with anything but FMJ ammo. Use it on the range but when your life is on the line, use something that has something that resembles some form of stopping power. If your handgun won't function with anything but FMJ ammo, sell that nasty thing and get something that will. If you must use ball ammo though, get a bigger caliber sidearm and elave the 9mm to range use only. Yeah, that's how much I despise 9mm FMJ ammo for self defense!:soap:

RichardinNC

08-05-2004, 16:45

Originally posted by USMC03Grunt
Not only no but hell no!!!

Yeah, that's how much I despise 9mm FMJ ammo for self defense!:soap:

So many experts, so little time.

USMC03Grunt

08-06-2004, 04:39

Originally posted by RichardinNC
So many experts, so little time.

Hey, it's your ass, not mine so you do what you want, sonny. And no, I'm no expert, just someone that's been there and done that. So how 'bout you? Any real life experience or just what you seen on TV?;Q

FThorn

08-06-2004, 06:04

Originally posted by JaviFL
Although I am sure some people do carry it for whatever reasons, the boxes specify that they are meant for target use.

BGs are targets! :)

cl147

08-06-2004, 08:05

The thread's title is "Winchester White Box as carry ammo?".

I think there was a bit of confusion about White Box ammunition.

The thread's author apparently thought White Box was ONLY available in FMJ bullets. Several people since posted that it's also available in a Hollow Point Bullet.

Somewhere between that and now, we've gone back to the assumption that WWB is only available in FMJ.

The Point:

-Winchester White Box in JACKETED HOLLOW POINT bullets make fine carry ammunition.

-WWB in FMJ does not.

Call me crazy, but it looks to me as if some posters didn't read the entire thread before clicking the "reply" button. ;Q

BrokenArrow

08-06-2004, 09:12

Gee, that would be as silly as voting for legislation you have never read... ;b

cl147

08-06-2004, 09:23

Originally posted by BrokenArrow
Gee, that would be as silly as voting for legislation you have never read... ;b
And I'd be willing to wager that it happens. ;)

gary newport

08-06-2004, 12:09

Originally posted by cl147
The thread's title is "Winchester White Box as carry ammo?".

I think there was a bit of confusion about White Box ammunition.

The thread's author apparently thought White Box was ONLY available in FMJ bullets. Several people since posted that it's also available in a Hollow Point Bullet.

Somewhere between that and now, we've gone back to the assumption that WWB is only available in FMJ.

The Point:

-Winchester White Box in JACKETED HOLLOW POINT bullets make fine carry ammunition.

-WWB in FMJ does not.

Call me crazy, but it looks to me as if some posters didn't read the entire thread before clicking the "reply" button. ;Q

This seems to be an all-too-common phenomenon at GT! ;g

Sgt_Steiner

08-06-2004, 13:07

Your crazy!!!
;z ;a ;a ;f

cl147

08-06-2004, 14:17

Originally posted by Sgt_Steiner
Your crazy!!!
;z ;a ;a ;f
Hey, I resemble that remark. ;e

five-0

08-06-2004, 16:24

Originally posted by Alexit
A MP5 won't reliably feed un-capped JHP, so I always carry it loaded with FMJ...

An HK MP5? Uhh, since when? I've got thousands of JHP rounds through MP5s and MP5/40s...the only mals I've ever experienced was due to the ****ty plastic mags the MP40s are issued with.

What rounds have given you problems?

RichardinNC

08-06-2004, 19:06

Originally posted by USMC03Grunt
Hey, it's your ass, not mine so you do what you want, etc.;Q

Maybe I can put you in touch with a man in a nearby town. He brought a knife to his neighbor's house and was shot twice with a .25 ACP - a really crappy handgun round. Took him right off his soapbox and almost killed him. I'd guess that he would say, from his hospital bed, that shot placement was more important that caliber - at least in his case.

USMC03Grunt

08-07-2004, 05:54

Hell, if that's the case, why not just carry a .22 since shot placement is supposed to be the cure-all? Ammo's cheaper, recoil's lighter, less noise, muzzle flash, etc. Of course, it's not a good stopping round but hey, if it's all about shot placement, why not?;T

RichardinNC

08-07-2004, 10:57

Originally posted by USMC03Grunt
Hell, if that's the case, why not just carry a .22 since shot placement is supposed to be the cure-all? Ammo's cheaper, recoil's lighter, less noise, muzzle flash, etc. Of course, it's not a good stopping round but hey, if it's all about shot placement, why not?;T

Visit this thread and argue with them for a while.

Glock Talk > Main Room > Non-Glock Firearms > Deadly .22 LR

pevrs114

08-08-2004, 21:58

I carried WWB target/range 115gr ammo for awhile. Why? B/c I took to heart the rule about not carrying anything you haven't shot enough rounds to be sure it works. I only recently finished college, and it's tough affording 200-300 rds of quality JHP just to burn up while on a student budget. I preferred to spend it on practice ammo, and carry what I knew would feed and work.

Now that I'm working and can afford to splurge a bit, I've started testing quality JHP at the rate and amounts it takes to trust it. Besides, having something I know will shoot is better than not having anything at all... although I am now certainly more happy with JHP, it was just a matter of expense!

gary newport

08-09-2004, 11:24

For the financially challenged, note that the main ammo companies offer hollow point rounds in their generic product lines. While these cost more than hardball, they cost a lot less than the Dot/Saber/SXT stuff. Most are 115 grain, but Winchester has a nice white-box 147 grain hollow point.

kevfan

08-09-2004, 19:31

I picked up a box of Winchester Personal Protection 147GR JHP at Wallyworld for my G19. The price was $10.96/50. I wanted to see how they feed and shot compared to the $15/20 124gr+P Gold Dots I currently used. They shot great! Nice feel, not as sharp as the +P, quicker followup shots for me. At that price, I can afford to run 10 rounds every month.

BTW, no feed problems with the 2183 followers in two of my mags.

betyourlife

11-16-2008, 21:53

I bring sleeping threads back to life!

betyourlife

11-22-2008, 12:58

Bump!!!

ArmedDefense

11-29-2008, 16:19

betyourlife

11-29-2008, 16:43

For me I carry what I practice with all the time. Don't want to have any surprises or different feel. I practice with Remmington 115gr. It's cheap, but I can hit stuff with it up to 20 yards. If I could afford to send premium loads down range, then that's what I would do...Not happening anytime soon.

I tried all the wonder ammo. Corbon, Speer, Remington GS, Federal HS. NOTHING shot as accurately as my WWB 147gr JHP's. One ragged hole...

In more than 150 actual shootings, the majority of the bullets have penetrated 13 to 15 inches and expanded between 0.60 to 0.62 inches in both human tissue and 10% ordnance gelatin.

I used to buy the stuff for $11 a box. It is cheap to shoot, more accurate than anything else I have tried, penetrates really well, and expands very well too. Functions and shoots like a dream too.

nutty_one

02-15-2009, 13:45

With money getting tighter and tighter, I've switched back to the Win USA (white box) JHP's instead of springing for the Gold Dots or Golden Sabers I used to carry.

$15 gets 50 115 or 147 grain hollowpoints. The Win USA JHP's have always shot as well as the pricier stuff, and they always feed reliably and they go BANG when the trigger is pulled.

The only other round coming close price-wise is Hornady 124 grain JHP standard pressure stuff, at about $12 for a 20 round box when I bought 'em. Haven't used much of the Hornady stuff though to get a good feel for it.

Except for occasionally springing for Gold Dots - when I carried a .45 I ALWAYS had it stoked up with Winchester USA 230 grain JHPs. Looked like a dog dish at the business end. Recoil was fine, shot point of aim. Couldn't ask for more.

Yep, I'll continue carrying the white box SD ammo until the economy rebounds or I win some big lottery or something.

erichodges

02-20-2009, 06:26

Do people actually carry with this stuff? 10.97 at wal-mart per 100?

I'd love to know what wal-mart your getting wwb for that cheap??

im paying 21.99 for it here in Ky. (NO carry though) Strictly target ammo... Leave the Self defense up to the Win. Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1 9mm+p 124gr. JHP

WWII

02-20-2009, 06:40

I'd love to know what wal-mart your getting wwb for that cheap??

im paying 21.99 for it here in Ky. (NO carry though) Strictly target ammo... Leave the Self defense up to the Win. Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1 9mm+p 124gr. JHP

It was 5 years ago. :rofl:

GlenGLOCKER

02-23-2009, 16:40

Anyone have any data on the WWB 147gr JHPs through a short barrel gun such as the GLOCK 26? I have read some articles that said due to the slower speed with the short barrel they won't expand. I do use the WWB 147gr JHPs in my 17.

Six Feet Under

11-23-2009, 18:52

Man, that ammo price from 2004 made me want to cry. :(

glockandgroovin'

11-25-2009, 19:22

Dandapani

11-25-2009, 19:30

Zombie thread!

Tiller

12-09-2009, 22:09

The worst thing about necro-threads on gun forums is the reminder of how much ammo prices have increased. Sigh.

2006HD

12-09-2009, 23:02

i wish ammo prices would drop back down to that.

i did notice that most of the posters made it sound as though a FMJ 9mm won't hurt... it's still a bullet... i don't wanna be shot by even a BB gun let alone a 9mm

i doubt the bad guy is gonna say "whew, that was close. you shot me with a full metal jacket round. i sure got lucky"

come on guys....

i wouldn't carry it too but it'll still kill ya

jpshaw

12-10-2009, 06:00

Gee. I've never had a problem with WWB in both 115 and 147 gr.

Rusty Guns

12-10-2009, 18:53

Put a G-17 on lay-away at local range, last week.
I'll get it out next week when our bonus comes in.
It was used, but not very much, looks good.
Just not that much diff between new and used, except the price was right.
Now if I can just find some ammo for it.
I've got about 500 rounds of 115 FMJ left but no HP's at all.
So I'll continue to carry my 23.
Where I work we carry a Beretta 92-FS and 115gr FMJ No Choice there gun and ammo.
Wish we could carry G-22 with HP ammo. It aint gonna happen.

Rusty

five-0

12-12-2009, 15:40

Where I work we carry a Beretta 92-FS and 115gr FMJ No Choice there gun and ammo.
Wish we could carry G-22 with HP ammo. It aint gonna happen.

What sort of US agency (public or private) is that retarded in 2009?

Hugo R

12-13-2009, 00:32

The worst thing about necro-threads...Sigh.

Necro-threads? :rofl::animlol:

Hugo R

12-13-2009, 22:55

The worst thing about necro-threads on gun forums is the reminder of how much ammo prices have increased. Sigh.

WWB 100 Value Pack at Field Times in Westminster, Kali...$30.:dunno: Whatcha gonna do, at least they have a bunch.

They also had some .380, MFS 2000 from Hungry. Bought some to give it a shot. We'll see.

HR

Rusty Guns

12-15-2009, 21:23

I agree compleatly Five-0
I am not at liberty to pass that on, but it is Government controled.

I do have one magazine for the new G-17 that is loaded with a mix of Black Tallons, and Hydra Shocks, at least I can carry it if I want to.
They will do till I can find some More.

Rusty