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gudel
07-19-2004, 14:28
how the hell do you get it? i have my computer for 4 years at home, 2 years laptop, 4 years at work.
not once, i repeat, not once i get spyware or any kind of virus. nothing on adware, and nothing on NAV.

so, how do you do it? this always baffles me.

David_G17
07-19-2004, 14:32
kazaa, porn sites, warez, there are many sources.

ronin_asano
07-19-2004, 15:01
Originally posted by gudel
how the hell do you get it? i have my computer for 4 years at home, 2 years laptop, 4 years at work.
not once, i repeat, not once i get spyware or any kind of virus. nothing on adware, and nothing on NAV.

so, how do you do it? this always baffles me.

i have the same question. i have never been infected either.

gudel
07-19-2004, 15:04
Originally posted by David_G17
kazaa, porn sites, warez, there are many sources.
done them all. i still got nothing. what gives?

NetNinja
07-19-2004, 15:36
PORN!!!

David_G17
07-19-2004, 16:47
Originally posted by gudel
done them all. i still got nothing. what gives?

let me add one to the list:
teenagers with admin access.

berniew
07-19-2004, 17:51
Originally posted by gudel
done them all. i still got nothing. what gives?

do you click 'ok' to every pop up you see without reading it?

do you install any odd ball 'utility' that claims it will triple your internet speed, etc....

podwich
07-19-2004, 20:26
I got one once. I was dl'ing some software from a website and carelessly clicked the OK box after I clicked the download link (usually the first thing to pop up after clicking a dl link is the save as box). Well, turns out I said OK to installing some program that changed my homepage, search options, etc. and didn't want to go away. It took a bit of effort to get rid of it.

It was a dumb mistake. I knew better but was in a hurry and assumed. On the bright side, it's the only junk I've gotten on any of my computers yet.

gudel
07-19-2004, 23:42
Originally posted by berniew
do you click 'ok' to every pop up you see without reading it?

do you install any odd ball 'utility' that claims it will triple your internet speed, etc....

no, that's what popup blockers are for :)
no, i have broadband. ;f

i've seen gator, mouse cursors, sexdialer.exe, and other plug ins asking for installations. lots of these specially when you're downloading cracks ;P those keygens are never loaded with virus either ;)

and i do all this with internet explorer! ;f

PORN!!!
how many gigs do you have? ;f

srhoades
07-20-2004, 02:25
I got the netsky virus recently. Norton was up to date but I didn't have the latest updates from Microsoft so when I opened outlook express it automatically opened and executed what was in any attatchment. Got the updates and more importantly switched to Firefox and Thunderbird.

Harlequin
07-20-2004, 05:38
Most people surf the net completely clueless about basic security. They run all sorts of programs to help yet don't have the most elementary knowledge of what they are doing. All the firewall, ad blocking, ad removing, popup blocking, spyware detecting and removing, spam filtering, cookie controlling, virus detecting and removing software in the world won't protect someone who surfs aimlessly in places they shouldn't be and opens every attachment.

For people without that knowledge, taking the most basic steps toward security, like switching browswer and email programs and keeping virus software updated, will help considerably. Eventually, they will get hit.

Like gun safety, education goes much farther than mechanical devices. Same with computers. Learn how to protect yourself rather than installing more software.

Fireglock
07-20-2004, 10:09
Personally I'm not interested in being a MS or even PC guru. I want to use the computer, not be a slave to it. After running a Mac (still have it) and switching to the world of MS because of work, I find little to make me want to delve deeper into the swamp of "all the time PC maintenance." If cars were like PCs you would never get out of town. And that's what it takes to avoid problems, constant attention.

I pay attention, change software when I can to make thing easier and try to avoid the entanglements whenever possible. I think the best things I've done are moving to Firefox and Open Office. Now I need something that will replace Outlook, let me store my e-mails (my .pst files) and work for contacts and scheduling. Linux is next after that.

The title of this thread shows a snobbish attitude which I previously had noticed as being absent in this forum. :( To date I've gotten a ton of good useful information here, I hope that continues. Wondering why people get hung out using a PC shows a basic lack of understanding of what people buy computers for. There's more of us using them than making a living or hobby of fixing and nurturing them.

To HerrGlock, Harlequin, ronin_asano, MB-G26 thanks, I appreciate the help. There are many others who have helped me here as well, thanks to you.

ronin_asano
07-20-2004, 10:12
your outlook replacement is going to be thunderbird. the mail is stored in plain text and you can get at it with any program that can read plain text.

if you need a calendar, take a look at sunbird.

a piece meal solution, but the best so far from mozilla.

on linux, you can try evolution, which is an outlook type applicaton, which thought i have not used it, i understand it replaces outlook quite well. i'm not aware of a windows version, but it might exist.

gudel
07-20-2004, 11:13
Originally posted by Harlequin
Most people surf the net completely clueless about basic security. They run all sorts of programs to help yet don't have the most elementary knowledge of what they are doing. All the firewall, ad blocking, ad removing, popup blocking, spyware detecting and removing, spam filtering, cookie controlling, virus detecting and removing software in the world won't protect someone who surfs aimlessly in places they shouldn't be and opens every attachment.

For people without that knowledge, taking the most basic steps toward security, like switching browswer and email programs and keeping virus software updated, will help considerably. Eventually, they will get hit.

Like gun safety, education goes much farther than mechanical devices. Same with computers. Learn how to protect yourself rather than installing more software.

heh, did i pinch a nerve or what ;f it's sad that you feel that way about My post, but dissent is always expected. interested to note that people blame on the software, not the user. i never seen one post that says, "okay, i ****ed up, i open up some executable that i don't know where it came from, now my computer's jacked".
the same argument is used by anti gun people to say, gun is unsafe, it kills people by going off itself without mentioning the incompetency of the shooter. not necessarily education, a simple basic common sense is needed. when i first started gun, i didn't know much about it, except that i know i if i pull the trigger, it will go off, and put the business end away from myself.

so please don't say that it's snob title or anything, look at yourself. the computer didn't install malware on its own, neither the gun goes off on its own.

Fireglock
07-20-2004, 11:17
Originally posted by gudel
heh, did i pinch a nerve or what ;f
Obviously I wasn't clear. It's not my nerves, it's your attitude. :(

plato
07-20-2004, 13:30
Originally posted by ronin_asano

i have the same question. i have never been infected either.

I update frequently, MS windows, Adaware, spywareblaster, Norton, CWShredder, HijackThis, Spybot, Googletoolbar, I have my firewalls turned ON and I have my PRIVACY set on Medium High.

I do daily scans.

I still catch things once in a while. Major pain in the ass.



;1

SamBuca
07-20-2004, 13:52
Originally posted by gudel
so please don't say that it's snob title or anything, look at yourself. the computer didn't install malware on its own, neither the gun goes off on its own.
This is inaccurate. Your computer has a 3 point safety mechanism just like your Glock (virus/spyware/MS updates) however not keeping them up to date causes problems....just like not doing the safety upgrades from Glock.

Didn't do the G19 upgrade from '92? Whoops...slam fire.

Didn't do the MS update from last week? Whoops...spyware installed via IE exploit.

Virus programs can update themselves without user interaction...Windows can update itself without user interaction (XP service pack 2 will do a wonderful job of this)...spyware programs (like pestpatrol.com) require no user intervention. You don't need to be a computer whiz or a genius...you need to take FIVE minutes and do a few steps ONCE. Just ONCE. Granted, you shouldn't become oblivious to things...but it won't require constant babysitting or weekly posts on the board asking about the latest browser hijack.

You also don't need to do all these registry tweaks, Windows services hacks, install 8 programs, switch to a Mozilla product and all this other stuff. PM me for the easy way.

Moprine
07-24-2004, 01:06
switch to a Mozilla product and all this other stuff. PM me for the easy way.




MOZILLA IS FAR FAR BETTER THAN any other browser out there at this moment....especially for us average computer techs~~IMO anyways:)

Harlequin
07-24-2004, 06:00
Originally posted by gudel
heh, did i pinch a nerve or what

You quoted my post, yet I didn't say a thing about your original post or the attitude of it.

Bugs, viruses, and other computer afflictions are a fact of computing life and always will be. You don't have to be a comp genius to know how to deal with them. Someone who buys a gun and carries it daily but doesn't train or practice is nearly as dangerous as the criminal with it.

It's your computer. It's your grand you paid for it. It's your money at the repair shop when something goes wrong. Knowledge can be had for free. Just ask or Google it! That knowledge can save you a lot of money.

Fireglock
07-24-2004, 08:39
Originally posted by Harlequin
You quoted my post, yet I didn't say a thing about your original post or the attitude of it.

I think he was poking at me but had a "personal" computer error. :)

Harlequin
07-24-2004, 13:48
Well, perhaps he can be excused since he's still using IE. ;f

CranialCrusader
07-24-2004, 17:00
Originally posted by gudel
how the hell do you get it? i have my computer for 4 years at home, 2 years laptop, 4 years at work.
not once, i repeat, not once i get spyware or any kind of virus. nothing on adware, and nothing on NAV.

so, how do you do it? this always baffles me.


I just did two fresh installs of Windows XP. One for myself and one for my brother. The first homepage ie sets is MSN and it installs spyware without asking.

To avoid this you must go to windows update first and THEN go to download FireFox.

CranialCrusader

jolt8me
07-25-2004, 01:38
I know how my computer gets infected...2 words..my dad..

SamBuca
07-25-2004, 10:48
Originally posted by CranialCrusader
I just did two fresh installs of Windows XP. One for myself and one for my brother. The first homepage ie sets is MSN and it installs spyware without asking.

To avoid this you must go to windows update first and THEN go to download FireFox.

;Q

lomfs24
07-25-2004, 23:18
Originally posted by Moprine
MOZILLA IS FAR FAR BETTER THAN any other browser out there at this moment....especially for us average computer techs~~IMO anyways:)

I don't think that firefox is such a far superior browser than IE. There are fewer people using it so why would someone take the time to write a virus to exploit a browser that fewer than 5% of internet users use?
What I have found is that firefox, in my opinion, seems to load pages faster that if I am useing IE or a clone of IE like Avant. I like it and use it but it don't think it is far superior. It is just better at the moment.

Devorzhum
07-26-2004, 19:11
Here at work it's folks opening email attachments without thinking about it. I am an Assistant Art Director at a graphic design firm and I keep telling people if it doesn't have an art file extension (.eps, .tiff, etc) DON'T open the thing, even if it appears to be from somebody we do business with. We keep our anti-virus program updated, but there's always going to be a way in for that garbage as long as we stick with Windows. At least our Macs are safe, nobody seems to hate Mac enough to write viruses for it. Bill Gates on the other hand....

That said, I take a very dim view of bums that write these lousy viruses. When I was a kid it was crank calls, now these youngsters are damaging machines and I have to clean up the mess. Virus writers should be sent to fight in Iraq if they're so bored!
:(

NetNinja
07-26-2004, 21:16
I look at it this way. Since MS and virus writters and other deviants want to screw up the world I am more than happy to fix peoples machines for $$$$.

jrny
07-26-2004, 21:36
Originally posted by gudel
how the hell do you get it? i have my computer for 4 years at home, 2 years laptop, 4 years at work.
not once, i repeat, not once i get spyware or any kind of virus. nothing on adware, and nothing on NAV.

so, how do you do it? this always baffles me.

In addition to the other postings, many websites with common mis-spellings of legit sites.

lomfs24
07-26-2004, 21:59
Originally posted by jrny
In addition to the other postings, many websites with common mis-spellings of legit sites.

Just the other day I got a message from CitiBank that I need to click this link to "update" my profile with CitiBank. Not only do I not do business with CitiBank, the link that I was directed to was not a CitiBank URL. I was in Linux so just for fun I clicked the link. Imediately I got a box that said, "Your browser is not Win32 compatible so the page cannot be loaded."

That's how you get that junk.

David_G17
07-26-2004, 23:14
n/m

Moprine
07-27-2004, 02:56
www.spywareinfo.com

http://www.spywareinfo.com/articles/hijacked/prevent.php



hope you find it helpful~~

okie
07-28-2004, 13:33
I have had 1 virus, but Norton caught it. As far as spyware I get a few but not very many:)

frefoo
07-28-2004, 18:38
Originally posted by gudel
how the hell do you get it? i have my computer for 4 years at home, 2 years laptop, 4 years at work.
not once, i repeat, not once i get spyware or any kind of virus. nothing on adware, and nothing on NAV.

so, how do you do it? this always baffles me.

My first and last virus was when I left a floppy disk my friend gave me in the drive when I rebooted my Windows 95 box. (about 8 years ago).

As a consultant, the biggest problem I am seeing is with laptops going from the ABC Company office network to XYZ Company office network. It only takes 1 person to bring in an infected laptop from home to start spreading the sh!$ around.

The average user in Sales or Management is clueless about keeping the OS patched or "up2date". They get infected and then bring the infected machine to work.

From there it just spreads to other users just as unaware.

Despite my attempts at education it is still an endless cycle.

But it does pay the bills.

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One company I go to now kills the infected users network connection at the router (good for them). In order to get back on the network someone has to visit your desk, run the AV scans, once your computer is "clean" they will make a phone call and you are back on.

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