My G19 IS MALFUNCTIONING... WTF?

[Bear_B]

Okay... I shot a local match this weekend with my G19... shot great. I put a total of 500 rounds through it this weekend counting both days... tonight I finished shooting and went to put my Defensive ammo back into it until I got home to clean it... but my Defensive ammo would not chamber!!!

I loaded the mag... inserted it and racked the slide but the round would not feed into the pipe... what the hell?

I thought it was the mag... changed mags... same thing.

Thought it was the ammo... changed to another set of hollow points... same thing.

Thought it was maybe just dirty... got it home... cleaned/lubed it really good... same thing.

Tried feeding some FMJ practice ammo... no problems... tried hollow points again... no luck.

I have shot hundreds nad hundreds of rounds thru this Glock with never ever a problem... now it wont even take the first HP out of the mag... the slide wont close fully and it wont even take the round completely out of the mag... unless its FMJ and then it chambers just fine.

WTF???

I am SO tempted to sell the F$#$ing thing and go back to a revolver... yeah I know im jumping the gun but I am SO pissed at it right now.

I took the gun apart completely and inspected it as carefully as I know how, but I dont see any damage or even any excessive wear.

Any ideas?

I dont think its the recoil spring... this pistol has less than 2000 rounds thru it...

It works fine with FMJ.

The followers on the mag are not of the variety that cause the problems.

Hollow point ammo is taking a "nosedive" as described above... but if I hand crank the round slow enough it will go, but not if I just "thumb" the slide release lever. I have shot a couple hundred rounds of hollow points thru it before with no problems at all... now all of the sudden...

the pistol is about 2 -3 years old but I just recently acquired it... and the fellow that had it before me only put a couple hundred rounds through it... andI have since put approx 1000 through it.

I dont know about buying new barrels and crap... this thing shold be 100% right out of the box... and spending another 150 dollars on barrels and springs when it "may or may not fix it"... I dont think so.

So I will either sell it... or maybe just use expanding FMJ rounds... I have not decided yet.

Its set up really nice... NP3 done by Robar, and the XS 24/7 Big Dot Night Sights... w/6 mags (including 1 15-round mag) and 3 different type of holsters, and two dual mag pouch carriers...

I would hate to get rid of it but this is not just a range plinker... its my CCW. Which means I need it to go BANG every time.

[C9X19]

You have the 2183-1 followers. Many people have complained about these followers making their hollow point/flat point round nose dive. You should get the 9mm3 type followers. I think glock has been out of stock of 9mm3s so I hope someone else can post where to find them...

I also heard that they were out, although I think someone on here very recently called them and will be getting some new ones.

I didnt bother waiting so I bought two of them from Jerry K (JWK) for $5 each.

[Rusty Shackleford]

If you do decide to sell the F$#$ing thing and go back to a revolver, I'll take it off your hands (at a price that reflects what a piece of junk it is, of course) ;c

What ammo was involved?
What kind of followers do you have?

Federal EFMJ is a flat point, and aside from not being hollow, has the same outside dimensions as 147gr speer gold dot hollow points. If they feed, the EFMJ should feed, and the other way around.

Thumbing the slide "release" isn't how the slide on a glock was intended to be released.

[Hydrilla]

I'm the one that called Glock today and was told they would be sending the new followers to me immediately.

Originally posted by HMC_44mag
I also heard that they were out, although I think someone on here very recently called them and will be getting some new ones.

I didnt bother waiting so I bought two of them from Jerry K (JWK) for $5 each.

[LOMAS]

Bear B, my new G19 is doing the exact same thing. I have 3 mags. 2 have the 9mm3 followers and 1 has the 2183-1 follower. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work. FMJ is not even 100%. I have extra power springs from Wolff on order. I will let you know if that works. If that does not work I will return it to Glock. Please keep us posted.

[striderglock]

It's not the followers causing the first round to nosedive. It's the new bbl design that doesn't drop down low enough relying to heavily on the feedramp.

StriderGlock-

Do you know when they started lowering the barrels? When serial numbers to they effect?

[WalterGA]

Have you tried chambering your h.p.'s by pulling the slide all the way back and releasing it abruptly, rather than "thumbing the slide release(sic)?? Have you polished the feed ramp and made absolutely sure that the chamber is clean??

[bunch_G17]

Originally posted by HMC_44mag
StriderGlock-

Do you know when they started lowering the barrels? When serial numbers to they effect?

F series just got off the phone with Glock.

Thanks.

I guess ill be looking for a D series now (I think some of the E series have the weak frames).

By the way, does anyone know the years D series G19s were made?

Do they sell for the same prices? Where can I get them, cuase I doubt my local store would still have them?

Thanks.

[J.P.]

Originally posted by bunch_G17
F series just got off the phone with Glock.

Typical Glock B.S.
I have bought two (2) "E" series that have the change/problem.
(G19 and 19c)

[jv56]

I have an F series G19 and have had no problems whatsoever!! I shot over 500 rnds all different kinds of ammo and experienced nothing but
one FANTASTIC glock 19. Followers are 2183-1.

[bunch_G17]

Originally posted by Xminor
Typical Glock B.S.
I have bought two (2) "E" series that have the change/problem.
(G19 and 19c)

Maybe I did not explain myself. I have an F series - no problems with hollow points. I called Glock for the "Free" followers. I'm not paying anyone here for something that I can get FREE it's the American way. The TECH said that the problem with 2183-1 started with the F series. My mistake and I should have clarified that.

Typical Glock B.S.???? Well I'm not the judge of that.


Oh yeah, I'm calling Glock tommorrow for my FREE bench mat. I got my FREE anuual last week and My FREE posters the week before. FREE is good.

[DJL2]

Why would they mess with "perfection"? Glocks were working well for years, why would they be mucking with the followers or the barrel? Is it a cost saving move?

[Lckydevl]

I got a DSP model 19. It was dated at 5/2000

[Bear_B]

Hey Guys... come to find out that all but one of my mags have the 2183 followers... and the one that does not have the 2183 follower is not giving me any problems at all... so I called Glock and they said they would send out new followers right away and should have them in a week or so... I called on Tuesday so I will let you know if this fixes the problem.

[ghostwn]

I've had my G19 F series for over a year and never had any type of problems. After firing a 1000 rounds, I did change the followers to 9mm3 just to be on the safe side. ;f

[hitecrednek]

Thanks to this post, I just checked my G19, and it also does a nosedive jam on the last round with JHP's...

the mags have the 2183 followers..called glock and they are sending new followers.

while waiting, I'm keeping an FMJ as the last round.


thanks for the tip!

[gary newport]

Originally posted by striderglock
It's not the followers causing the first round to nosedive. It's the new bbl design that doesn't drop down low enough relying to heavily on the feedramp.

Oh, really?

"Hey Guys... come to find out that all but one of my mags have the 2183 followers... and the one that does not have the 2183 follower is not giving me any problems at all... so I called Glock and they said they would send out new followers right away and should have them in a week or so... I called on Tuesday so I will let you know if this fixes the problem." Bear_B

Gee, maybe it WAS the followers.

[hitecrednek]

I had (had!) the same jamming problem....

here is a photo of the two followers-
on left is the replacement follower that is ok, on right is the bad one....just FYI

[Bear_B]

I swapped the followers last night... shot it today... PROBLEM SOLVED.

[CCV]

Good for you!

[deutscheglocker]

Bear_B

I guess your problem is solved by now.

Listen to Ruprect and WalterGA regarding the thumbing of the slide STOP.

The trainers I have taken pistol courses from ALL teach to rack the slide to the rear to chamber a round and not chamber by thumbing the SLIDE STOP.

It was explained to me that you have the FULL power of the slide recoil spring when it is pulled back all the way and are less likely to have a feeding malfunction.

[J.P.]

Originally posted by bunch_G17
Maybe I did not explain myself. I have an F series - no problems with hollow points. I called Glock for the "Free" followers. I'm not paying anyone here for something that I can get FREE it's the American way. The TECH said that the problem with 2183-1 started with the F series. My mistake and I should have clarified that.

Typical Glock B.S.???? Well I'm not the judge of that.



That's what I mean....
"The tech said that the problem started with 2183-1 started with F series"

That is obviously not true and you are likely to get a different answer from Glock if you talk to another tech.
they need to get together and get their story straight. ;)

[LOMAS]

The +10% wolff springs cured the feeding problem. The 9mm3 followers usually had round # 4, 5 or 6 nose dive and it was always the last round with the 2183 followers. It's so nice when things work. Bear, glad you are up and running also.

[ken-ken]

here is a photo of the two followers-
on left is the replacement follower that is ok, on right is the bad one....just FYI

Ok just looking at the difference in the 2 i could see how they might pose a problem. On the 2183 they are raised at the back, which would push the front of the bullet down, and the 9mm3 would have the front of the bullet point more up.

It doesnt really affect the rest of the mag cause of the pressue on the top(mag) and bottom(another round) and it it more in line to go in to the chamber.

FOr sure looks like a design flaw with the 2183.

Need to call in and get those 9mm3 followers.

[hitecrednek]

hi Ken-Ken

yup, if you lock back the slide and put one round in the mag, and let slide go foreword, the 2183 will jam a hollowpoint smack into the base of the feedramp; at least it did on mine....new followers shoosh 'em right in slick.


shoosh?

[ken-ken]

Can someone post a pic of 2 mags side by side, one with 2183 with one round loaded and another with 9mm3 with one round loaded.

[gary newport]

No can do on the pictures, but the more instructive thing would be for someone to post a video of a single (last) round being pushed forward out of the mag, using a thumb, for each case. It is VERY easy to see the nosedive a 2183 follower causes when doing this. It doesn't dive at all when the follower is a 9mm4! :cool:

[ken-ken]

Ill take a picture of a 2183 when i get home, only thing is i dont have any hollow points.

Which reminds mine i need to work on getting my CCW and some more ammo.

Ken

[gary newport]

The 2183 does the same thing to hardball as it does to hollow points, so it makes no difference to the demonstration.

The hardball rounds don't jam the gun on the last round because their pointy nose strikes the feed ramp a little higher than the blunt-nosed HPs and flat points, they don't have a sharply-defined edge to hang up on the bottom of the ramp, and the contour of the bullet allows them to slide up the ramp.

[Hydrilla]

I got my 9mm1 followers today, problem solved. Here's some pics.

[Hydrilla]

This one didn't turn out well at all, it's of the LRND.