I tried to warn you about Arnold Kennedy

[magsnubby]

He's finally showing his true colors. He signed the bill banning the BMG 50 cal and the sale of .50 cal ammo.

I tried to warn people. I honestly did.

Two weeks before the recall:

Gun store owner:"Don't worry about it (proposed gun legislation). Arnold will veto it."

"He will? Do you know where he stands on gun control? He supports the AWB."

"Well...uh...he's a Republican..."

"Yeah right! He's married to a &#@^%$* Kennedy!"

Blank stare.

I laid the S&W 642 i was looking at (i went there to buy it) on the counter and walked out.

Well California you #&@% your bed and now you're going to have to sleep in it.

[Mossberg]

Kalifornia is a disease that needs to be separated from the US. An earthquake will probably take care of that though.

Kalifornia Island!

[striderglock]

Originally posted by Mossberg
Kalifornia is a disease that needs to be separated from the US. An earthquake will probably take care of that though.

Kalifornia Island! We can only hope. Who cares, Ca is a loss and I could care less what happens there.

[Ookster]

Hey, at least you got rid of that clown Gray Davis. GWB is in favor of the AWB, but he's a hell of a lot better than John Kerry. Gotta take what you can get.

[WalterGA]

He's a Kalifornia Republican, and he's good for the party. What would you expect, considering the number of pusillanimous pansies with whom he has to work?? I won't lose a lot of sleep over a bunch of Kalifornians' getting more of what they're used to. :)

[scottiew]

Originally posted by striderglock
We can only hope. Who cares, Ca is a loss and I could care less what happens there.

Yeah well what happens when they move to your state?

[Jeff S.]

Originally posted by Mossberg
Kalifornia is a disease that needs to be separated from the US. An earthquake will probably take care of that though.

Kalifornia Island!


And then my property would be beach front!

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Glad that he was a key speaker for the GOP!

This is the wrong forum for this topic anyway. I would want one of the Barrett's if I could afford it and had a place to shoot it.

I had the chance to shoot one once. However, I had a broken wrist in healing and choose not to risk it. It was quite a neat gun. When it went off, I felt it in my feet. BOOOOM!

[ZenShooting]

You are the reason we have gun control laws in this country. Like California or don't (I live here, and I hate it), what happens here sets prescedents all over the country. we have @ 50,000,000 people in this state (about one fifth of the COUNTRY'S estimated population of 250,000,000 - these numbers could be slightly off, but not by much), and that's a huge prescedent. Remember how much you don't care about California when you are living under a national AWB that is as restrictive or more so, than what we currently have in California. Don't think it will happen? Nobody thought the '94 AWB would pass or withstand legal challenge either.

[Jeff S.]

Originally posted by scottiew
Yeah well what happens when they move to your state?


Indeed, indeed. It seems that NV is becoming more and more liberal as Cali folks move here. My local school was doing more than fine until a California lady came and messed it all up. I guess it's our fault for putting her in charge. God, I will never live there. Beautiful place (minus the amount of people), but stupid political ideas.

[Richard G]

Where was the NRA?

[AlexTheShotgunn]

I like california!...im just not fond of some of its people and its laws.

[flatrock]

Arnold never claimed to be pro-gun.

However, he was probably you're best choice of someone who was likely to get elected.

The Republican party is drifting toward gun control in many parts of the country, not just CA.

Both of my "Republican" senators here in OH pushed for renewing the AWB.

We need to work to get the Republican party back on track.

[Bearcat]

Hey ZenShooting,

I used to buy into that bullcrap about Kalifornia setting the direction that the rest of the country is heading. Maybe it once was true. Now it sets the direction that New Yersey, Massachusetts and New York City go. Kalifornia does still have one unfortunate contribution to the direction other states take------they poison the population of good states such as Oregon by their sleazy migration out of Kali. and into surrounding states. Just like cancer cells migrating and infecting healthy parts of a body, they enter a different state and then begin to poison it's legislature and public government. I have lived in Oregon all my life and I am sickened at the changes that have taken place here because of immigrating liberals from other states-----particularly The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. The state of Washington has suffered similar damage. Why can't you people stay in your "workers paradise" and quit trying to change everyone else.
The above comments are not meant to disparage the good, conservative, people who are stuck in The Peoples Republic for one reason or another. I understand there are exceptions to everything. It's just that when I start thinking of all the crap that migrant Kali's have brought to OR, particularly Portland, I get pretty hot! But on the bright side, we still can own "assault weapons", hi-cap mags, and even fifty caliber BMG rifles------------at least for now!

[scottiew]

* rant mode: on *

The media is a BIG problem. They pollute and embellish the lies and falsehoods. They give huge covers for the Brady Bunch notwithstanding their lack of statistics.

Take our local paper, which happens to have a monopoly, the Houston Chronicle:

There was a picture on the front page of the paper or maybe it was a section of the paper (don't honestly remember) of a picture of the raunchiest looking character (long hair, tattoos all up his arm -- by the way, no offense, nor stereotype inteded, to those with tattoos) firing an Uzi. Of course the article's title was related to the ban sunsetting. They ran it this past weekend. I know clean cut attorneys with semi-auto TEK 9s. Wonder why they didn't pick them? ;Q

The TV news isn't any better. I don't understand why anyone would volunteerly give up their right to defend themselves nor do I understand their logic by banning certain guns; criminals will not get ahold of them. Hasn't seemed to work for drugs. :(

Asking a liberal or AWB supporter for statistics to support their arguments results in asinine responses. These people need to get their heads out of the sand.

* rant mode: off *

I apologize for the rant...

[DLL]

Originally posted by Bearcat
The above comments are not meant to disparage the good, conservative, people who are stuck in The Peoples Republic for one reason or another.

Well thanks for recognizing that we're here. ;g

I hate how most people have this vision of LA or SF in their heads and they think that is how all of California is. Let me tell you something, I hate how our state is ruled by all the liberals in our large cities. But there are good people here in California. We're just (evidently) in the minority.

[magsnubby]

You should all be afraid. Be very afraid. The AWB will be back. Bigger.Badder.Stronger.

It might not happen during Dubya's next term (did everyone forget he stated he WOULD SIGN it if it reached his desk? What the hell makes you think he wouldn't sign a new version?), but sooner or later (probably sooner) the anti gunners will prevail.

So all of you remember: Gun Control, coming to your home town soon.

[striderglock]

Originally posted by ZenShooting
[B]You are the reason we have gun control laws in this country. I keep up my membership with NRA and state rifle assoc, I called and emailed my senators to let the AWB sunset. You don't know what you're talking about.

Like California or don't (I live here, and I hate it) Why don't you move? You piss and moan about it but stay there.

There is no winning in Ca, it's about cutting your losses. You guys come here and post whining about another gun law and nobody cares. I'm not going to waste my time on a lost cause.

[scottiew]

Originally posted by magsnubby
You should all be afraid. Be very afraid. The AWB will be back. Bigger.Badder.Stronger.

It might not happen during Dubya's next term (did everyone forget he stated he WOULD SIGN it if it reached his desk? What the hell makes you think he wouldn't sign a new version?), but sooner or later (probably sooner) the anti gunners will prevail.

So all of you remember: Gun Control, coming to your home town soon.

I've heard that. I'm not sure it will happen in his next term -- especially if the Republicans still rule the House and Senate. The Senate Majority leader didn't want to vote for it so I don't think it has much of a chance there. Hassert said he'd alow it to be voted on but I think the general consensus is to let it expire and keep it like that.

Either way, I'm getting an AR15 Tactical while I can at a decent price :)

[magsnubby]

scottiew,
I hope you're right.

The point i was trying to make is please, all of you people out there in the FREE WORLD, don't let your guard down. Don't become complacent. Keep up on all antigun legislation,pending or proposed, in your state and on a national level. Vote. Write letters. Vote. Send e-mails. Vote. Make phone calls. Vote.

I remember years ago when Canada first proposed banning "military style" rifles. I laughed at the stupidity of it all. "Ha! That could never happen here."

Be ever vigilant.

And remember: VOTE.

[scottiew]

^6
Agreed!

[Covert Mission]

Originally posted by AlexTheShotgunn
I like california!...im just not fond of some of its people and its laws.

It's true. Lived there for 20+ years, and it's lovely---except for about 40 million of the people there now. Grrrrrrrrrr.

People who grew up there in the 50s and 60s, and even into the 70s, are sad...it's gone down the tubes by comparison. Used to almost be Paradise in San Diego when I first got there in '76. Not now.

[atfsux]

Originally posted by Ookster
Hey, at least you got rid of that clown Gray Davis. GWB is in favor of the AWB, but he's a hell of a lot better than John Kerry. Gotta take what you can get.

Do you always embarrass yourself in public by crapping on yourself like that? They're the same.

[atfsux]

Originally posted by Jeff S.
Indeed, indeed. It seems that NV is becoming more and more liberal as Cali folks move here. My local school was doing more than fine until a California lady came and messed it all up. I guess it's our fault for putting her in charge. God, I will never live there. Beautiful place (minus the amount of people), but stupid political ideas.

Ditto for the Arizona scene. We need to enforce that damned Kommiefornia border.

[TEX]

There are plenty of level headed folks in California, they just need to take their state back. All the 50 cal ban means is that someone will neck the 50 Browning downm to a 475 or something and sell those instead. Same gun, different barrel. I have a brother in SAC, he was liberal for the longest time, but he is finally starting to see the light. Maybe there is still hope. I don't think GWB would sign a new assualt weapons ban. I think he only said he would sign a renewal of the old one to apease certain people, knowing full well that Tom Delay would never let it get to his desk. If he is reelected, he doesn't have to worry about pleasing anyone. On that note, he can go ahead and go into Iran and Syria without worrying about re-election.

[atfsux]

Originally posted by TEX
There are plenty of level headed folks in California, they just need to take their state back.

As I say,...shut down the border with the PRC so that they get Darwinian and fight or die. As long as they can continue to flee, they will. The problem is that some of the mentally infected follow them and spread the disease. Quarantine the damnable place.

[ZenShooting]

I keep up my membership with NRA and state rifle assoc, I called and emailed my senators to let the AWB sunset. You don't know what you're talking about.

You don't know what I'm talking about?

Who cares, Ca is a loss and I could care less what happens there.

This is what I'm talking about. It's ok, as long as it happens "over there." This is the attitude that allowd the ban to pass in the first place. What happens here in California may not be as important to you as say what happens in your town - but when you ignore people like Feinstein (who by the way is part of our NATIONAL congress, and one of the original AWB's cheif authors- you get what you deserve, but unfortunately you drag the rest of us down with you.

All I hear about around here is how I don't care what law they pass, as ling as it doesn effect me. Well this is the point- it WILL effect you, maybe not today, but in two years when congress passes another ban, written by Feinstein, and modeled after the successful (quoting all those accurate California statistics)- it will.

When the original ban passed I know alot of people that were not upset because it did not effect them personally (they didn't have anything that was being banned, and had a couple full capacity mags for what they did have) and so they did nothing. In 1999 when California passed the State AWB they were furious, because now it effected them. Funny how that seems to happen.

I'm not a visionary, I'm just pointin' things out.

[Ookster]

Originally posted by atfsux
Do you always embarrass yourself in public by crapping on yourself like that? They're the same.

Take it easy, boss, or I just might take a crap in a box and mail it to you.:soap:

Arnold is the same as Gray Davis? Do they have the same stance on driver's licenses for illegal aliens? Do they have the same outlook on fiscal policies and government spending? Could you see Gray Davis giving a key note speech at the RNC?

They are far from the same.

[Lvfreedm]

They are the same. Both Big Government. They just take a little longer to get there. Watch what they do, not what they say. We have Hillary-care now. Massive deficit spending now. Federal control of the schools. Destruction of individual rights. The Communist Chinese are our buddies.
Don't trust the Republicans, they will sell us out.

[JBA111]

if Klinkaforny leads all the rest of us, then where the hell is YOUR CCW PERMITS???
No klinkaforny falls right in line with the other High Hat liberal cesspools like NYC, DC, Chicago!!
Yea and these Liberal wonderlands have practically no crime with all their gun laws do they???
YEA RIGHT!!!

[magsnubby]

JBA,
First off no body on this post said Clif. doesn't have crime or we're one damn bit safer because of our strict gun laws.

Do you think the liberal a hoes woke up one morning and said "Hey. This looks like a good day to pass some gun control bills" and it just magically became law?. It starts slowly and works up to the main agenda. And you, and the rest of the US, are part of that agendy.

Do you honestly belive Calif.,NYC,Chicago or any other state or city thought it could happen to them? Hell no we didn't. But it did. Do you honestly think that the liberals don't already have a new version of the AWB drawn up?

And you better all chuck you're holier than attitude and wake up and smell the gun powder. Or someday you will all be in the same boat as we are here in Calif.

[philipk]

What's the surprise?

Kali is so far left that a pro-gun candidate couldn't get elected dog catcher in a state-wide race. And it's only getting worse.

Philip

[philipk]

Originally posted by magsnubby
Do you think the liberal a hoes woke up one morning and said "Hey. This looks like a good day to pass some gun control bills" and it just magically became law?. It starts slowly and works up to the main agenda. And you, and the rest of the US, are part of that agendy.

Exactly!

Just look to our north. Who would have guessed just 20 years ago that Canada would turn so liberal.

When I visited Canada in the late 70's the mindset of the people was like here in the US. That started to change in the 80's. Now when I travel to Canada, I feel as though I am in a socialist European state.

Sad thing is that they like being considered European.

The loss of new world freedoms!

Philip

[magsnubby]

phillipk,
This ain't about Calif.,it's about your state and every other state in the US. Maine is working on a AWB as i write this. Who knows how many other states have one in the planing stages. If you can't do it on a national level, then you do it state by state.

Kennedy and Kerry are already making noise about how a 30.30 will penetrate body armor or an armored limo (i'll see if i can find the link,but belive me,it's some scary stuff). Make yourself a list of how many hunting calibers fall into that catagory. If that don't make you crap your shorts then you've already lost.

[Stanze]

My wife is anti-gun(thanks to the guy who shot Lennon), after I told her the facts regarding .50 cals on: non-crime use, cost, Fed legal, etc. Even she said, that the ban made no sense.

Reasoning? Common sense? Out of a card carrying Dem lib?

I told her that was so hot.;f

[philipk]

Originally posted by magsnubby
phillipk,
This ain't about Calif.,it's about your state and every other state in the US.

That was my point. If it can happen in Canada nationwide, it can happen in the US.

Philip

[magsnubby]

Found the link.Scroll down to "Nobody WantsTo Ban Your Deer Rifle Either".

www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/crosshairs/maine.htm

[scottiew]

Originally posted by magsnubby
Found the link.Scroll down to "Nobody WantsTo Ban Your Deer Rifle Either".

www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/crosshairs/maine.htm

Yup if someone can't read the writing on the wall, they need to get some glasses and do some reading.

At this point it's an all or none issue. That's what I don't get about people who "claim" to own firearms yet support the ban. I mean I figured someone who owns a firearm would understand how it works. That said, how can they support the ban if the guns in the ban are functionally the same as the ones they are "ok" with and own. I called one guy out on another forum. I told him he was the pot calling the kettle black. It's blasphemy.

[JTB]

Originally posted by Richard G
Where was the NRA?
The NRA and the other gun right groups were there but since we did not support Arnold, why should he support us.

[magsnubby]

JTB,
Yes the NRA and other Calif. pro gun groupes were here. They were supporting the only real pro gun candidate on the ballot:McClintock.

Please explain why any of these groups should have supported Arnold Kennedynegger. He never would state his postition on gun control. Hell, he wouldn't state his postition on anything. He just stood around with that dumb @$$ grin on his face holding a broom.

He is, and always be a Democrat in a Republician loin cloth.

[atfsux]

Originally posted by Ookster


Arnold is the same as Gray Davis? .

I meant George the Lesser and that brain donor Kerry. Geez, you ARE easily distracted.

[Ookster]

atfsux,

You make about as much sense as brail keypads on a drive-up ATM.;z ;a

What are you talking about? You're saying that GWB and Kerry are one and the same? If so, please elaborate as I'm sincerely curious.

I don't agree with a lot of things GWB has done while in office, but I'm pretty convinced that he's much better for our country than Kerry. What does Kerry even stand for?

And why all the nasty language towards me, one of the nicest, easiest going GT members around? I don't even know you from any of your other posts since you've only been a member for a couple of months. We're all on the same team here as gun owners and supporters of 2nd ammendment rights. So if you can help point out the error of my ways, by all means do so without telling me I'm "crapping all over myself in public," whatever the hell that means.

Eric

[Secant Ogive]

I get tired of this talk "move out" "it's a lost cause" etc. What if we fought wars that way? The first principle of the military arts is to FIND THE ENEMY AND HIT THEM WHERE THEY ARE!

Let's quit the defeatist talk with regard to our neighbors who are under state-imposed tyranny and let's HELP THEM FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT! Let's go into those states and REDOUBLE OUR EFFORTS! They are the enemy camp. LET'S HIT THEM WHERE THEY SLEEP!

:(

[atfsux]

Originally posted by Ookster
atfsux,

You make about as much sense as brail keypads on a drive-up ATM.;z ;a

What are you talking about? You're saying that GWB and Kerry are one and the same? If so, please elaborate as I'm sincerely curious.

I don't agree with a lot of things GWB has done while in office, but I'm pretty convinced that he's much better for our country than Kerry. What does Kerry even stand for?

And why all the nasty language towards me, one of the nicest, easiest going GT members around? I don't even know you from any of your other posts since you've only been a member for a couple of months. We're all on the same team here as gun owners and supporters of 2nd ammendment rights. So if you can help point out the error of my ways, by all means do so without telling me I'm "crapping all over myself in public," whatever the hell that means.

Eric

The arrogance you display in proclaiming we gun folks are all on the same side is so damned abrasive, I'd almost rather shave with a disc sander. Would that be the side that feels losing our rights slowly is OK because it's better than losing them quickly? Is it the side that still sides with the NRA depsite how they sell out the expendable sub-groups within the gun culture? There is a faction of this unique culture you and I belong to that realizes compromize only serves our enemies, and that faction grows yearly. And in equal proportion each year, more and more I keep hearing this same mewling plea repeated, as if saying it enough will make it so;...we're on the same side. Well I'm not on any side that votes for a guy who whispers in the NRA's ear that he'll support a national CCW for everyone, then openly speaks out against the 2nd Amendment and refused to help kill the AWB.

Both Kerry and Bush support bigger more intrusive gov't. Both refuse to pull out of Iraq. Both support gun control. Both think rights are curtailable in the pursuit of security. Any difference between them beyond those issues are so inconsequential in comparison that it's like asking if you'd rather have tuberculosis or cancer. Both of these idiots are a national shame. No way in hell I would lend credibility to the seating of either of these fools as our leader by casting a vote for one of them. Not only would it be wasting my vote, but I'd have to live with myself afterward.

As for using nasty language towards you,...OK,...I'll admit I was being confrontational and it was likely uncalled for. But understand how deeply you offend some us here when you lump us in with you lemmings. Please endeavor to refer to Bush gun people as Bush gun people, and not gun people as Bush people.