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Fonzy
09-18-2004, 03:21
best tip you've gotten that significantly improve your shooting/game.

question is a little bit general, but care to share anyway?

fire away ^c

:cool:

Eye Cutter
09-18-2004, 04:06
Dito madami ka mapupulot na mga tips for improvement. Medyo mahirap lang mag-filter ng information kasi ang dami-dami talagang materials to read. Tiyagain mo lang. Treasure trove of info for those who want to improve their shooting skills!

Brian Enos' Forums (http://brianenos.ibforums.com/index.php?act=idx)

If you are really serious to improve fast, invest ka sa shooting coach. Very expensive in the short term, but the learning curve will be shortened! Nasa 10k per module siguro.

Fonzy
09-18-2004, 05:23
hey, thanks eye cutter (i owe you two - dumating na jr speed ko :) )

here are some points that i'm trying to inculcate (tama ba spelling ;f ) in my newbie mind:

- the all important four basic rules of safety
- don't rush out and spend on equipment (ask the experts from bogs first)
- forget speed (for the meantime), it's the safest for beginners
- forget time, concentrate on target
- not blinding speed but smoothness
- if in doubt, fire away! (joke ;f ;m ;Q)



:cool:

Eye Cutter
09-18-2004, 05:47
correct! aralin mo muna proper stance, grip, trigger feel, what the sights look like when the gun recoils, precision and accuracy. graduate ka unti-unti sa mag change, drills, shooting stong hand, weak hand, prone, kneeling, crouching, movers, etc.

once you've mastered the basics, you'll find that the shooting becomes natural. you don't have to work on speed really. as my tagline says, shoot slow, fast! you have to see and know each and every shot as you pull the trigger. where the sights were in relation to your target as the gun goes bang! pag alam mo ganun parati, you can't miss. that's calling your shots.

tapos, yung mga ibang tricks and trade secrets, unti-unti mo na matututunan!

tapos, don't be turned off by the equipment race. Basta 100% reliable ang pistol mo, kahit 13 or 15 rounder lang mag capacity, competitive ka pa rin. tignan mo si sec. ppts! he uses a G19 for comps but he always places in the top spot! Ang importante, master mo ang gamit mo.

always ask what you can't and don't understand. Hindi maramot ang majority ng ipsc shooters!

Eye Cutter
09-18-2004, 05:50
what model jr speed did you get? yung copy ng cr speed or yung bagong gawadini (amadini ghost/limcat) style?

you're a medical representative? what pharmaceutical company? meron ba tayong mga samples dyan??? hahahaha!!! ;f

Fonzy
09-18-2004, 06:12
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
what model jr speed did you get? yung copy ng cr speed or yung bagong gawadini (amadini ghost/limcat) style?


- sir yung copy ng cr speed, galeng ni jun (improved version)


you're a medical representative? what pharmaceutical company? meron ba tayong mga samples dyan??? hahahaha!!!

- sa nutritional side ako doc, gatas ng ina - este para sa baby pala ;P


para di OT sa thread...

i should learn to crawl before i walk, so speed is not particulary that important for me (as of now). sabi mo nga, master the basics first!

:cool:

bagito
09-18-2004, 07:32
Originally posted by Fonzy
hey, thanks eye cutter (i owe you two - dumating na jr speed ko :) )

here are some points that i'm trying to inculcate (tama ba spelling ;f ) in my newbie mind:

- the all important four basic rules of safety
- don't rush out and spend on equipment (ask the experts from bogs first)
- forget speed (for the meantime), it's the safest for beginners
- forget time, concentrate on target
- not blinding speed but smoothness
- if in doubt, fire away! (joke ;f ;m ;Q)



:cool:

amen;W ;W ;W

julianz
09-18-2004, 07:36
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fonzy
[B]hey, thanks eye cutter (i owe you two - dumating na jr speed ko :) )


chief magkano kuha mo?

Allegra
09-18-2004, 09:56
Originally posted by Fonzy
hey, thanks eye cutter (i owe you two - dumating na jr speed ko :) )

here are some points that i'm trying to inculcate (tama ba spelling ;f ) in my newbie mind:

- the all important four basic rules of safety
- don't rush out and spend on equipment (ask the experts from bogs first)
- forget speed (for the meantime), it's the safest for beginners
- forget time, concentrate on target
- not blinding speed but smoothness
- if in doubt, fire away! (joke ;f ;m ;Q)



:cool:

About speed, basically tama yung kalimutan muna ang bilis
But, you can spot talented beginners right away sa bilis nila
Madami mikes, puro kanto , walang control but you know right away this guy is gonna be good

paltik45
09-18-2004, 12:04
Fonzy try mo pre na sumama sa mga weekend practice shoots ng LAGCOM and dont be shy. I bet they are more than welcome to give you some pointers. Try to ask ninong Puling or Ochit Amante for some pointers and by the way ano nga pala gamit mo pre? 1911 or sa production class ka? Thanks.;f

Allegra
09-19-2004, 03:40
Originally posted by paltik45
Fonzy try mo pre na sumama sa mga weekend practice shoots ng LAGCOM and dont be shy. I bet they are more than welcome to give you some pointers. Try to ask ninong Puling or Ochit Amante for some pointers and by the way ano nga pala gamit mo pre? 1911 or sa production class ka? Thanks.;f

Kamusta na ba ang LAGCOM?
Madami ako kaibigan dun

mc_oliver
09-19-2004, 03:48
Lots of Dry Fire, anyway it's free. ;)

doctabako
09-19-2004, 04:22
Originally posted by Allegra
Kamusta na ba ang LAGCOM?
Madami ako kaibigan dun

One of their shooters, Roel Mayol now shoots with us, having been assigned at the NPC plant in Calaca.

atmarcella
09-19-2004, 08:10
mga sir,
tanong ko lang sana which is a better holster yung jr speed or JETHRO? i have a glock22 i'm with 7 lakes gun club, newbie also THANKS!

Allegra
09-19-2004, 08:52
Originally posted by doctabako
One of their shooters, Roel Mayol now shoots with us, having been assigned at the NPC plant in Calaca.

Oops, yung mga luma ang kakilala ko eh
Diloy, Ochit, Ruel etc

Eye Cutter
09-19-2004, 17:29
eto pa best tip:

the most expensive equipment does not mean the best equipment for you. get equipment that fits you and your shooting style. and make sure it is 100% reliable. No.1 turn off in ipsc e pag jam ka ng jam! that goes for your ammo, too!

mc_oliver
09-19-2004, 19:11
Originally posted by atmarcella
mga sir,
tanong ko lang sana which is a better holster yung jr speed or JETHRO? i have a glock22 i'm with 7 lakes gun club, newbie also THANKS!
Hands down JR. Ang layo ng quality ng plastic. ;)

jasonub
09-19-2004, 20:08
fronzy, if you want personal shooting instruction, i dont charge much;f

mc_oliver
09-19-2004, 20:27
;z ;z

9MX
09-19-2004, 22:08
Originally posted by mc_oliver
;z ;z

at hwag ka m_colikot sa baril;f pag pumuputok, ayos pa yan;z

Eye Cutter
09-19-2004, 23:24
Originally posted by 9MX
at hwag ka m_colikot sa baril;f pag pumuputok, ayos pa yan;z

Need I say more!!! Tignan mo kahapon, flawless yung baril! Ganda ng performance! Todo enjoy ang shooting experience! Basta ba wag experimento nang experimento, e!

hahaha!!!

;e

jasonub
09-19-2004, 23:28
best quotes

See what you need to see- Jerry Barnhart
call your shots- everybody i know
aim for the a zone- everybody i know

and most important for me- practice.

mc_oliver
09-19-2004, 23:58
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
Ganda ng performance!...

hahaha!!!
;e
Ay ewan ko dyan sa portion na yan doc.;f Yung all-swinger stage ang bago ko'ng kalaban ngayon. Kelangan mag practice ng puro swingers!! Lalo na yung may mga half-boards pa!

Eye Cutter
09-20-2004, 00:07
yun? sisiw lang yun a? Batangueno, dogman and I had no problems with the swinger stage. got good hits there, too, kahit dun sa half boards. Pag ganun na stage na mataas chance a lot of shooters will trash the stage, piso-piso na lang, di ba!?!

ginawa namin 2 positions, on signal, step sideways, activate the popper, engage 3 boards, move to the other side to get the last board.

meron sana ako i-ta-try. Instead of moving to one side, 1 big step backwards. Kita na kasi sana lahat ng boards but the half boards medyo covered. Magandang diskarte yun for optics sana.

I think best time dun was 6 secs all in.

mc_oliver
09-20-2004, 00:43
Wow! 6 sec? Nakuha ko yata ng mga 10+ yun close to 11 sec.;P Nahilo pa ako kakahanap ng hits ko kasi di ko matandaan kung ilang beses ko na napututukan. YAY!

Kaya sisw yung hit factor ko, ang liit-liit! ;f;f hehe

9MX
09-20-2004, 00:59
Originally posted by Eye Cutter

I think best time dun was 6 secs all in.

IIRC, that was Christian Panaganiban

batangueno
09-20-2004, 01:02
Ang problema ko ngayon, doon naman sa mga easy targets ako nagkaka-mike. :(

mc_oliver
09-20-2004, 01:08
Originally posted by batangueno
Ang problema ko ngayon, doon naman sa mga easy targets ako nagkaka-mike. :(
Hehehe, trap yan ng mga designer. Sa sobra'ng lapit ng targets, tempting ratratin. Dapat kita mo pa rin sights even at this distance. Dyan ka na nga lang makaka-siguro ng alpha eh...;)

Eye Cutter
09-20-2004, 01:24
Originally posted by batangueno
Ang problema ko ngayon, doon naman sa mga easy targets ako nagkaka-mike. :(

hindi, a! si batangueno yun!

;e

9MX
09-20-2004, 03:06
Originally posted by batangueno
Ang problema ko ngayon, doon naman sa mga easy targets ako nagkaka-mike.

Originally posted by Eye Cutter

hindi, a! si batangueno yun!


^8 siya naman talaga di ba? ;a

mc_oliver
09-20-2004, 03:12
Sa sobra'ng bilis ni doc sa mouse, no-shoot tinamaan. Eto yata dapat target quote nung reply nya.

IIRC, that was Christian Panaganiban

;f;f;f

batangueno
09-20-2004, 04:04
Hindi 'no. Kapag naka-open na ako saka nyo ako i-compare kay Christian. ;f

Eye Cutter
09-20-2004, 04:13
ooops! no-shoot nga natamaan ko!!! hehehe!!!

si Kenneth yung naka 6 sec. accdg. to Mang Ely, the CRO ng stage 1.

Batangueno: Tapusin na natin yang open gun project mo!

;e

jasonub
09-20-2004, 05:43
i got that at 8 so so with a mike. credit to marlon valencia who told me to slow down and i did. I knew i miked the small swinger but moved anyway;P

jasonub
09-20-2004, 05:58
Originally posted by jasonub
fronzy, if you want personal shooting instruction, i dont charge much;f

biglaan tuloy may tumawag sa akin asking me to teach them. (beginners)distorbo sa practice pero meron pera naman;f

9MX
09-20-2004, 06:16
Originally posted by jasonub
i got that at 8 so so with a mike. credit to marlon valencia who told me to slow down and i did. I knew i miked the small swinger but moved anyway;P

one of the first lessons that i learned and violated several times is never to change my gameplan. it disturbs the mindset:)

Eye Cutter
09-20-2004, 06:36
uuy! magandang topic din yang gameplan. iba-iba kasi ang diskarte. pati style of shooting so you need to find out where you're comfortable.

Eye Cutter
09-20-2004, 06:48
Learn to continuously be moving forward to the next array to finish the CoF. At the beep, nakahakbang ka na forward as you are engaging the first target towards the next one. Lamang ka agad if you are even only 1/2 step ahead of the other competitors as you start out at the beep!

Everybody must learn how to engage targets while moving. Its a skill level one must learn to progress/improve. Like most of the BoG veterans here are comfortable shooting on the move. Si ppts, homogenizer, batangueno, judge, mc_olikot, jasonub, etc. Nasan na ba yung ginawang video ni mc_olikot para mapanood nang mga bago sa forum?

The newbie might be better off shooting stationary from one position and engage all seen targets from 1 position before moving on. Pag ok na sa ganun style, progress slowly from there to shooting while on the move. Ang importante, the sights remain the same as if you are shooting in a static position.

Eye Cutter
09-20-2004, 06:53
another concept to consider while planning your gameplan is how to engage targets that offers the least amount of movement and shooting positions. Usually, you engage the first target as you are approaching and choose which target to engage while getting out of that position. Kelangan minsan magtimpi ka and hold back para the first board you see will be the last board to engage while moving back out.

Eye Cutter
09-20-2004, 07:02
Usually, engage low targets going up. Para di natatakpan nang kamay yung low targets. Mabilis makita alpha.

Usually, you engage target arrays depending on your eye dominance. Right eye dominant and most Right handed shooters usually engage L to R. Left eye dominant, left handed or cross dominant shooters usually R to L.

Avoid madaming zigzag and up-down movements. Usually, dapat pa U or C. Sweep the targets from L to R or R to L.

Eye Cutter
09-20-2004, 07:07
practice shooting steel! Andaming nahihirapan tamaan bakal specially mga round and square plates.

when a CoF includes steel targets, pero nasa gitna, usually paper-steel-paper ang sequence. Dapat isingit yung bakal para di na kelangan mag verify which takes extra time. Sa last shooting position, usually ginagawang stop plate or stop popper para maka save sa oras!

Andami na ko na-share! meron na bayad dapat ito! hahahaha!!!

;e

atmarcella
09-20-2004, 07:51
Hands down JR. Ang layo ng quality ng plastic.
__________________________________________________


MC_OLIVER THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!

Fonzy
09-20-2004, 16:46
hey guys,

thanks for the tips and offers, dami ko natutunan sa board na 'to. now its time to practice...

fire away!

:cool:


galeng ng tips mo doc eye cutter!

aztig
09-22-2004, 00:15
You guys are all cool, Dami ko napulot but so much to learn. Thanks

batangueno
09-22-2004, 01:48
Sama pa kayo sa mga shoots at marami pa kayong matututunan. :) Kaya lang ako matigas ang ulo at hindi matuto-tuto. ;f

julianz
09-22-2004, 03:13
keep it coming DOC EC salamat ng marami...

bass one
09-27-2004, 02:25
Got this from another site...


http://www.americanshooter.com/Features/features.html

mbclubph
09-28-2004, 16:35
i'm going to mcs later planning to buy holster and mag pouch any suggestions??


belt jr speed nylon P800 or uncle mike's nylon with velcro P2400
holster for glock uncle mike's kydex P1800
mag pouch don't know what to buy? ilan kailangan sa competition mga sir???


HELP HELP HELP!!!

OK BA KYDEX NA fobus or uncle mike's for comp???
mag pouch???

JuDGe
09-28-2004, 17:28
Any tips on how to nail those A's on a swinging target? A swinging board is my dreaded target on a COF. Basta swinger na, alam kong I'll always miss one shot or at most both. ;Q

one_eye_kirat
09-28-2004, 18:15
Originally posted by JuDGe
Any tips on how to nail those A's on a swinging target? A swinging board is my dreaded target on a COF. Basta swinger na, alam kong I'll always miss one shot or at most both. ;Q
shoot the swinger at the end of the arc...thats where it usually slows down. before i shoot a stage with a swinger, i always get a sight picture where the end of the arc is, that way i dont have to rush myself. the approach on swingers depends how fast it swings usually. try to get more options brother. :)

one_eye_kirat
09-28-2004, 18:17
Originally posted by mbclubph
i'm going to mcs later planning to buy holster and mag pouch any suggestions??


belt jr speed nylon P800 or uncle mike's nylon with velcro P2400
holster for glock uncle mike's kydex P1800
mag pouch don't know what to buy? ilan kailangan sa competition mga sir???


HELP HELP HELP!!!

OK BA KYDEX NA fobus or uncle mike's for comp???
mag pouch???
try to get those quick draw rigs from P.B. Dionisio...you wont regret spending for those.

New_comer
09-28-2004, 19:58
Originally posted by one_eye_kirat
shoot the swinger at the end of the arc...thats where it usually slows down. before i shoot a stage with a swinger, i always get a sight picture where the end of the arc is, that way i dont have to rush myself. the approach on swingers depends how fast it swings usually. try to get more options brother. :) One tip I learned from the more mature shooters in my group is to try to let go of the first shot before the end of the arc, so that by the time the target is about to change direction, the shooter is just about ready to release the second shot.

Been trying to do that with improving results. Dapat kabisado mo splits mo para ma tantya kung gaano kababa yung swinger sa release of the first shot. Duon nagiging importante yung test activate; malalaman mo yung tyempo. Kung napakabilis, nag-end of arc ako, two swings na lang. Kung mabilis-bilis, minsan 45degs, dapat bitaw na; pag mabagal, mga 15-30 deg sa horizontal, ok na. Buti na lang sa Ermita cup, wala akong mintis sa mga swinger. Yung 2A's saka na yun. ;)

ppts799
09-28-2004, 20:13
re swingers, since i'm not yet that confident with my hits, i give it 3 shots. :)

...and like they said, end of the arc when it slows down. but during the walk through, i look at the background of the swinger to have a point of reference so that i would more or less know where to point my sights even before the swinger gets there (end of arc).

i'm sure mc_oliver and eyecutter can write a book on swingers alone:cool: :cool:

mc_oliver
09-28-2004, 20:25
Swingers and movers are very tricky animals. But do not kid yourself when shooting them by spraying more rounds. The best way to know if you're shooting them correctly is to shoot static targets.

Place static targets replicating the same way a swinger looks like at different arcs. Try putting fast 2's. If you cannot get consistent 2 A's at a static target, what do you think are your chances when that target is already swinging? ;)

After the static practice, wainting for the swinger to reach max arc will no longer be a problem. However, it's not always efficient lalo na kung yung transition target mo involves another mover or swinger.

The next is to learn to track the swinger. The Burkett Dry Fire Drills (http://www.burkettvideo.com/dryfire.html) has a very good swinger target you can use in dry fire. Let the target swing and just follow with your pistol. Learn to know and see correctly your sight pic relative to the target's position while working the trigger.

;)

jasonub
09-28-2004, 20:32
i have never miked a swinger on a match except for the last match with the half target swinger The stage had 4 swingers, 2 half targets and 2 whole targets activated by a single activator. For this target i shot it on the move and suffered the conseqences.

Anyway the trick for swingers is a blurred swinger and a blurred front site. if you dont see the sight lift of the swinger, shoot it again.

shooting bobbers is another issue, since its too fast and hides too quickly, i often shoot 3 on that sucker. good luck

julianz
09-28-2004, 22:54
Originally posted by JuDGe
Any tips on how to nail those A's on a swinging target? A swinging board is my dreaded target on a COF. Basta swinger na, alam kong I'll always miss one shot or at most both. ;Q

tips from Saul Kirsch Activated targets – swingers, turners, movers
Updated 02.06.04

Many shooters view these as a difficulty and a problem. This is totally the wrong approach. The reason for this attitude is that we do not often practice on these props, so they seem intimidating when we encounter them in a match. Practice them at your range! Also, we are told as beginners that moving targets are tough, and easy to miss. So we “grow up” believing this. Wrong! There is nothing difficult about moving targets. In fact, they should be viewed as an opportunity to gain ground, and show your ability. The principle is simple: See what you need to see as you make the shot! That’s all there is to it. Always try to time an activated target. Never approach it with the attitude “We will see where it is when I get there”.

Bobbers (swingers)
• Always try to shoot the bobber target at the end of its swing. In this position it is not moving.
• If you can get both shots on it, try to get your first shot as it’s about to stop, and your second shot as it lifts back, up from the bottom of its arc.
• Follow through on your second shot (or first, if you are shooting one). Continue to track the moving target with your sights as if you were going to shoot again. This will make sure you call your shot well, and see what you need to see.
• Choose to follow a bobber or mover away from a N/S target rather than into one. You hardly ever shoot early on such a target, since you have not seen it yet. But - you can shoot late – and if you are chasing it into a N/S…
• Use your timer – clock the delay until is appears, and how long it is visible for. Then the delay as it goes away again.
• Be very aware of what you are seeing as you shoot. You have to practice calling your shots on a bobber, same as you do on a static target. This is the only way to know if you have hit.
• Practice bobbers visible in all positions. On the right, left, and top as well. Sometimes you will be forced to take a shot at a bobber when it is at the top of its arc, at full speed. Usually you will have time for one shot only in these cases, so don’t rush it! Plan one accurate shot on each pass. Be sure you know from which direction the bobber will be arriving into your window of sight, so you can be expecting it correctly.

Turners (gravity turners)
• Turners are viewed by some as “bonus targets”, since misses don’t usually count as the target disappears. This is the wrong approach to have. You can almost always make your 2 hits on any turner.
• Use your timer to check how much time there is between the activator being hit, and the turner opening.
• Use your timer to check for how long the target faces you.
• If the turner is a fast one – be sure you are waiting for it to open with your sights right there. Do not swing to it once it opens, be there earlier!
• Remember: the closed target is the center-line of the open target.
• Remember that the target will usually be dropping down. Set up to shoot your first shot a little lower than usual, so that you are not too high for the second shot. (Specially important with steel sight guns.)
• Practice this type of target in your home range!

Movers (targets moving across range)
• These too are not bonus targets! On these too you want nothing less than 2 A’s!
• Set them up in your range, and practice shooting movers, both left to right and right to left.
• Learn from experience how much lead to give in your point of aim to compensate for the target’s movement. Usually you will not have to aim outside the C, or the edge of the A.
• Have a solid, long, follow-through on each shot. Continue to follow the target with the gun after the shot breaks, to make sure you saw what you needed to see as you shot.
• Do not accept less than a perfect sight picture on these targets.
• Use your timer to see for how long they are visible in each section, and how long it takes them to first appear, as you plan your stage tactics.
• Usually they are much slower in the first part of their movement. Choose to shoot them early, before they gain too much speed.

Eye Cutter
09-29-2004, 03:25
syet! sisiw lang yan! isipin mo lang na para din static targets binabaril mo! pick a spot and shoot 2 aimed shots! abangan mo where it stops at the end of the arc para nakatigil. or where the swinger exits at the barricade. pag di mo nakita front sight on brown paper, bigyan mo ulit. sayang kasi mga mikes! hahaha! Minsan mas mabilis piso-piso kesa mataguan ka!

I'm off to the PPSA Production Nationals at Clarkfield on Saturday and Sunday! Kahit walang practice! Wala bang maglalaro sa inyo?

julianz
09-29-2004, 03:28
goog luck doc..intayin na lang namin name mo sa result.

mc_oliver
09-29-2004, 04:30
Good luck Doc. :)

glck17
09-29-2004, 04:45
doc ec, i'll be there on friday and try to finish it in one day.;)

one_eye_kirat
09-29-2004, 09:54
Originally posted by New_comer
Yung 2A's saka na yun. ;)
That's a bad start bro...always aim for the alphas

New_comer
09-29-2004, 10:22
Originally posted by one_eye_kirat
That's a bad start bro...always aim for the alphas Well, at least I'm honest enough to admit that my eye-pistol-mover alignment and shooting skills have not reached 'Zen' levels yet.

My present motto is "2C's are better than 2M's".

Papasaan ba't darating din tayo sa 2A's... gradually ;)

Fonzy
09-29-2004, 10:30
In a CoF, which activity do you usually loose significant time? i.e. drawing, reloading, re-aiming after movement, swingers, etc.

:cool:

New_comer
09-29-2004, 10:45
Shooting on empty ;P

Fonzy
09-29-2004, 10:52
Originally posted by New_comer
Shooting on empty ;P

;z

hope your 2A's come soon!


:cool:

Eye Cutter
09-29-2004, 16:19
new_comer nailed it! a standing reload eats up a lot of time.

regarding re-aiming after movement: always keep both hands and your pistol up everytime you change position. bumitaw ka if more than 3 steps takbuhan mo but keep the pistol near your eyes. swing your support and pistol hand para may bwelo sa takbo.

Eye Cutter
09-29-2004, 16:27
for right handed shooters:

during lateral movement, while going to the right, keep your pistol hand palm up. going to the left, keep it palm down. di ka mag break nang 180 that way.

for CoFs that starts farther uprange, iwanan mo pistol hand with the palm down as you run uprange. mabagal kasi yung tatakbo ka paatras, delikado pa baka ka matisod. as you shift position facing downrange again, just twist your pistol hand to an upright position and resume a normal firing grip. di ka ma DQ nun.

mc_oliver
09-29-2004, 18:39
Originally posted by Fonzy
In a CoF, which activity do you usually loose significant time? i.e. drawing, reloading, re-aiming after movement, swingers, etc.

:cool:
You lose a lot of time by being indecisive about your actions.

If you observe the really good shooters, you'll notice deliberate yung mga actions. Bawat galaw, putok. Naka program agad kelan gagalaw, saan yung target na puputukan, kelan ang reload, etc.

And when you look at the top shooters, you'll also notice they don't move faster than the good shooters. One thing that differentiates them are the hits. One on one sa steel at kokonti points down.

In a given COF, mga 90% of your time is spent doing non-shooting stuff. So once you have the basic mechanics of shooting down, time to concentrate on making the other stuff more efficient. ;)

SMBeerDealer
09-29-2004, 20:02
Eye Cutter,

I'll try your tip on keeping your hand palm up and down. Almost broke the 180 rule on one stage as I was running uprange sa de Leon Cup.

Eye cutter, mc_o, BoGs,

Any tips on sticking to the gameplan? The only reason I ran uprange on the stage I mentioned above is that I broke my gameplan. Saw a round plate that wasn't in my gameplan to shoot yet and I engaged and re-engaged that's why I moved to a closer position, the one where I was supposed to end the stage. Also had to do a standing reload 'cause of this. Whole plan came apart. How do you correct this?

Thanks guys.

JuDGe
09-29-2004, 20:31
SMB: hehehe... na rattle ka lang nun kasi kung ilang beses ka nagre-engage dun sa round plate at nanggigil ka ng husto, kaya nawala ka sa gameplan mo. Di bale, you are relatively new to the competitions, sooner you'll learn to adapt and learn to think/decide on your feet. Gawa ka ng plan a and plan b or even a plan c para may options ka if things don't go the way you want it to be.

At sali lang ng sali sa mga competitions para ma expose ka and gain experience. Mamaya nyan ilalampaso mo na kami! ;f

Cheers! ;Y

one_eye_kirat
09-29-2004, 21:52
Originally posted by New_comer
My present motto is "2C's are better than 2M's".

Papasaan ba't darating din tayo sa 2A's... gradually ;)

True, what I follow is DCV...happy shooting!

SMBeerDealer
09-29-2004, 22:17
Originally posted by JuDGe
SMB: hehehe... na rattle ka lang nun kasi kung ilang beses ka nagre-engage dun sa round plate at nanggigil ka ng husto, kaya nawala ka sa gameplan mo. Di bale, you are relatively new to the competitions, sooner you'll learn to adapt and learn to think/decide on your feet. Gawa ka ng plan a and plan b or even a plan c para may options ka if things don't go the way you want it to be.

At sali lang ng sali sa mga competitions para ma expose ka and gain experience. Mamaya nyan ilalampaso mo na kami! ;f

Cheers! ;Y

Thanks Judge. Basta ba sasama mo lagi ako at mauuna ka sa stage para may magaling akong pwedeng gayahin ang diskarte. Sa kakasali lang ng competition talaga nadedevelop yung adaptation to different situations. :cool:

Lampasuhin kayo? Ewan ko lang, hahabol ng konti pwede pa. Ika nga, marami pa kong bigas na kakainin. Hehe! ;f

JuDGe
09-29-2004, 22:27
Originally posted by SMBeerDealer
Ika nga, marami pa kong bigas na kakainin. Hehe! ;f

Nakaow!.... huwag masyado ang kain ng bigas... hirap mag diet! ;f

SMBeerDealer
09-29-2004, 22:41
One month lang tapos South beach diet na tulad ni Tigra. ;f ;f ;f

Try mo later ha? Si Mbclub nag confirm na, si Tigra subukan din.

Eye Cutter
09-29-2004, 22:55
hep, hep, hep! sali ako dyan! ano ba yung i-te-try ninyo???

SMBD: minsan, it's better to leave a round plate up kung ayaw tamaan. kasi kakain lang sa time. if you can make up the miss fast, ok yun, pero pag ayaw talaga tumumba after 2-3 reengagements, iwan na lang.

yung mga ibang CoFs may mga targets na kita from multiple positions so kung hindi mo matandaan, pwede mo i-re-engage ulit from the other positions, talo ka na naman sa oras.

mc_oliver
09-29-2004, 22:56
Originally posted by SMBeerDealer
Any tips on sticking to the gameplan? The only reason I ran uprange on the stage I mentioned above is that I broke my gameplan. Saw a round plate that wasn't in my gameplan to shoot yet and I engaged and re-engaged that's why I moved to a closer position, the one where I was supposed to end the stage. Also had to do a standing reload 'cause of this. Whole plan came apart. How do you correct this?

Thanks guys.
What Judge said. Experience counts. And wag ka mag-madali masyado. Find A-zone, look at front sight, shoot. Bayaan mo yung iba'ng best-time best-time na yan. Mahilig kasi tayo sa best-time, kulang naman sa hits. In the end sa pagmamadali, lalo'ng tumatagal yung oras dahil sa mali at tensyon. ;)

SMBeerDealer
09-30-2004, 01:10
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
hep, hep, hep! sali ako dyan! ano ba yung i-te-try ninyo???

SMBD: minsan, it's better to leave a round plate up kung ayaw tamaan. kasi kakain lang sa time. if you can make up the miss fast, ok yun, pero pag ayaw talaga tumumba after 2-3 reengagements, iwan na lang.

yung mga ibang CoFs may mga targets na kita from multiple positions so kung hindi mo matandaan, pwede mo i-re-engage ulit from the other positions, talo ka na naman sa oras.

Thanks sa tip Doc EC. Dami ko natututunan sa mga forum na to. Try nila pumunta sa CPPSA. Di pa kasi sila nagkikita ni mbclub e. ;)

SMBeerDealer
09-30-2004, 01:13
Originally posted by mc_oliver
What Judge said. Experience counts. And wag ka mag-madali masyado. Find A-zone, look at front sight, shoot. Bayaan mo yung iba'ng best-time best-time na yan. Mahilig kasi tayo sa best-time, kulang naman sa hits. In the end sa pagmamadali, lalo'ng tumatagal yung oras dahil sa mali at tensyon. ;)

Guess I really need to join competitions. Before every stage I tell myself: "dahan dahan lang, lakaran mo lang" pero so far to no effect. Pag beep takbo narin. Kailangan pang matuto ng control in all aspects. Thanks sa tulong sir. :)

julianz
09-30-2004, 03:46
Originally posted by glck17
doc ec, i'll be there on friday and try to finish it in one day.;)

good luck also glck17 ..post pictures of the action .

julianz
09-30-2004, 03:49
Originally posted by New_comer
Well, at least I'm honest enough to admit that my eye-pistol-mover alignment and shooting skills have not reached 'Zen' levels yet.

My present motto is "2C's are better than 2M's".

Papasaan ba't darating din tayo sa 2A's... gradually ;)

you got that right just seeing holes on paper is far more enjoyable that not seeing anything at all.

Fonzy
09-30-2004, 08:44
Originally posted by SMBeerDealer
Guess I really need to join competitions. Before every stage I tell myself: "dahan dahan lang, lakaran mo lang" pero so far to no effect. Pag beep takbo narin. Kailangan pang matuto ng control in all aspects. Thanks sa tulong sir. :)

smbdealer ;Y

gigil, sarap rat-ratin, hirap magtimpi, (parang s@x ;f - we need control),

it's all in the rookie's mind, i'm also guilty...


:cool:

julianz
09-30-2004, 09:15
Originally posted by Fonzy
smbdealer ;Y

gigil, sarap rat-ratin, hirap magtimpi, (parang s@x ;f - we need control),

it's all in the rookie's mind, i'm also guilty...


:cool:


double here parang manok na laon pag nakakita ng kalaban tira agad . me pag nakahawak ng baril gusto araw araw nasa range. ;I

mbclubph
09-30-2004, 10:39
help bought uncle mikes kydex for my glock 19 planning to use it for idpa or ipsc prod. any modification with the holster??? medyo matigas to draw eh post pic naman






thanks brothers

Eye Cutter
09-30-2004, 17:46
mbclub: ayos yan. luwagan mo lang yung screw para mas madali mag draw. pwede mo rin bawasan yung front para mas madali mag clear ang muzzle ng glock mo.

tanggalin mo yung +2 base pad at palitan mo ng original na flat. bawal mga +2 pads sa ipsc.

mc_oliver
09-30-2004, 18:46
mb, what doc eyecutter said. Plus armour-all sa loob, para slick yung draw. ;)

mbclubph
10-01-2004, 00:14
what do you mean plus armour???

mc_oliver
10-01-2004, 00:38
Armor-all. Yung ginagamit mo pang pakintab sa dashboard ng kotse or something similar. Punasan mo yung loob ng holster para madulas. ;)

At wag mo isama yung plastic frame ng glock ha, baka mawili ka sa kakapunas. ;f;f Sa mags pwede at loob mismo ng magwell. :)

http://www.armorall.com/prodcat/images/2_2_product_1.jpg

SMBeerDealer
10-01-2004, 05:44
Fonzy, Julianz,

Sana sa kaka-practice mahiwalay rin yung bilis ng movement sa bilis ng putok habang di pa kaya bilisan ang putok. :) When I hear the guys around me firing fast nadadala ako. Sarap pakinggan ng ratrat e. ;f

Eye Cutter
10-01-2004, 06:06
SMB: hahaha!!! Nakakahawa nga mga rumarat-rat! Pero ang mga top shooters meron cadence ang putok. Pansinin mo mga putok nang rat-rat wannabes, ang bilis at erratic pero pag scoring na, ang daming down and miss. Ang mga magagaling walang pause ang putok kahit sa transition.

Yung libreng san mig lite ko, pag nagkita-kita na lang ang tropa!

;e

julianz
10-01-2004, 09:50
Originally posted by SMBeerDealer
Fonzy, Julianz,

Sana sa kaka-practice mahiwalay rin yung bilis ng movement sa bilis ng putok habang di pa kaya bilisan ang putok. :) When I hear the guys around me firing fast nadadala ako. Sarap pakinggan ng ratrat e. ;f

correct si doc EC dyan ..pag ako lang mag isa sa arange i emulate the fast shooter sa comps feeling magaling ba..pag check ko sa papel minsan 1 out of 2 or puro mikes pero when i go over the same stage taking my time at di nangigigil aba pati pepper poppers one shot tumba.
for us newbies di muna kailangan mabilis kailangan muna tumama at unahin ang mental aspects of the sports , we have to learn to control ourselves first.
Last time i was PI i was invited by a friend to joined a club shoot(not the club i am a member of) since bagong mukha ako pinasikatan ako ng mga regulars and tyros doon ..rigs state of the art, matitinde mga gamit, may mga naninindak sa tingin at may mga trash talkers naku kung papansinin ko eh malilintikan lang ang laro ko .di ko tinatangal ang ear plug ko at tip na rin ng friend ko pag aralan ko na lang ang COF kesa intindihin ang mga competitors.
Ng putukan na ..whooozz ang bibilis ...wham may nadapa..bhug ..may nalaglagan ng pistol ..opps...may nag jam ang baril..may nalilito kung anong targets ang uunahin..
Ako bagito sige tira ..binagalan ko lang pero tumatama(practisado bukid eh) got 3 miss and didnt win but it didnt bother me at all coz i went there to have fun and test my pistol and myself kung kaya ang pressure, quite amazed coz i did better than the regulars who got more mikes than me ..some DQed coz of negligence some didnt finished the shoot coz of malfunctions..
bottom line is sa stats nagkakatalo ...kung mabilis yung iba wala namang hits sa papel useless di ba ..pero pag magisa lang ako sa range sige ratrat ;I

New_comer
10-01-2004, 10:35
Just have to get this off...

Get your finger out da trigger guard while not shooting! Especially while on da move!

Live to play another day, as they all say... ;P

/rant off/

Allegra
10-01-2004, 10:45
Originally posted by New_comer
Just have to get this off...

Get your finger out da trigger guard while not shooting! Especially while on da move!

Live to play another day, as they all say... ;P

/rant off/

that's what i thought I was doing dati
sinisigurado kong trigger finger out
Until, nag video kami, kitang kita nasa loob yung finger when running :)

atmarcella
10-02-2004, 00:25
tanggalin mo yung +2 base pad at palitan mo ng original na flat. bawal mga +2 pads sa ipsc. [/B][/QUOTE]
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DOC AKALA KO PWEDE PLUS 2 SA IPSC, BILI SANA AKO SA KAY TAYLOR FREELANCE, BTW STANDARD DIVISION AKO NAGLALARO DOC, PWEDE BA DOC OR NOT? THANKS

JuDGe
10-02-2004, 01:13
Originally posted by atmarcella
DOC AKALA KO PWEDE PLUS 2 SA IPSC, BILI SANA AKO SA KAY TAYLOR FREELANCE, BTW STANDARD DIVISION AKO NAGLALARO DOC, PWEDE BA DOC OR NOT? THANKS

Busy ata si DocEC sa Production Nationals this weekend sa Clark. ;f

Anyway, sa Standard Division puwede extended base pad as long as your pistol with magazine inserted fits in the ipsc box. Sa Production Division bawal yung +2/ext base pad.

Cheers!

ReccaH
10-02-2004, 01:45
Originally posted by JuDGe

Sa Production Division bawal yung +2/ext base pad.



Eh yung naka +4? ;f

JuDGe
10-02-2004, 01:49
Originally posted by ReccaH
Eh yung naka +4? ;f

Sabi nga nila; 'promoted ka to open division' ;f

Pero +5 ka di ba? ^5

glck17
10-02-2004, 04:17
guys, just finished the prod nationals yesterday. with all those swingers and movers(ang lalayo pa) in the match, buti nlang at may mga tips dito sa board na napulot ko at hindi ako nagka mike sa mga targets na ito. I had 2 mikes all in all, in 20 meters static targets. keep more tips pouring guys.;)

i used my glock 17 in the match and almost all the cro's questioned my front site which they thought was fiber optic. well i just told them that it was only nail polish(borrowed from my wife);f buti nlang at hinde ako nilagay sa open division.

jasonub
10-02-2004, 06:52
Originally posted by New_comer
Just have to get this off...

Get your finger out da trigger guard while not shooting! Especially while on da move!


Live to play another day, as they all say... ;P

/rant off/

i noticed when i run to a port especially if its a far port more than 4 steps i flick the safety on. It was automatic its easy to flick it off when needed.

atmarcella
10-02-2004, 10:11
Anyway, sa Standard Division puwede extended base pad as long as your pistol with magazine inserted fits in the ipsc box. Sa Production Division bawal yung +2/ext base pad.

Cheers! [/B][/QUOTE]

_____________________________________________________________________

judge thanks ha! you think if i install a +2 on my G22 it will still fit the box?

ogiebb
10-02-2004, 10:49
Originally posted by jasonub
i noticed when i run to a port especially if its a far port more than 4 steps i flick the safety on. It was automatic its easy to flick it off when needed.


ang bilis mo pala talaga may time ka pa mag safety ng mga 4 or more steps..pag ako nag run ng stage iniisip ko lang na trigger finger out ako at kung saan ko ipaplant ang foot ko para sa next target...:cool: :cool: but tulad ni allegra nung nasa video ako naka trigger finger din ako minsan.;f

ogiebb
10-02-2004, 10:53
Originally posted by atmarcella
Anyway, sa Standard Division puwede extended base pad as long as your pistol with magazine inserted fits in the ipsc box. Sa Production Division bawal yung +2/ext base pad.

Cheers!

_____________________________________________________________________

judge thanks ha! you think if i install a +2 on my G22 it will still fit the box? [/B][/QUOTE]

i had a chance to screw around with this when i read it.. if the IDPA box is exactly like the IPSC box pwede pa ata +5 ng grams base pad....hmmm sarap nun kung dalawa yung slide mo 17 and 22 pwede production pwede standard;f ;f

9MX
10-02-2004, 10:55
being relatively new in IPSC, safety was solidly emphasized to me before. IIRC my trigger finger is always out of the guard during transitions. If it wasn't, I'm sure there would have been several ADs and DQs since I began.;e

matingnan nga yung videos ko;f

JuDGe
10-02-2004, 15:11
Originally posted by atmarcella
judge thanks ha! you think if i install a +2 on my G22 it will still fit the box?

Yup!... I believe so, back when saruman and i were using G35 naka +2 base pad kami.... and it still fits in the box.

Ogie... sarap nga nung setup ng interchangeable slides and barrel ka 17/22 or 35...... hhhmmmmmmnnn..... ;f

ogiebb
10-02-2004, 15:34
Originally posted by JuDGe
Yup!... I believe so, back when saruman and i were using G35 naka +2 base pad kami.... and it still fits in the box.

Ogie... sarap nga nung setup ng interchangeable slides and barrel ka 17/22 or 35...... hhhmmmmmmnnn..... ;f


uy nagka idea si judge he he...;f ;f ;f

Eye Cutter
10-03-2004, 04:49
Guilty rin kami nila batangueno dito! hahaha! tinatapos mga Level 3 1/2 day! Kaya naman sa kankungan pinulot!!!

Pag ganyan mga Level 3 matches, dapat talaga i-pace mo putok mo! We did 6 stages yesterday, 6 stages today. Sayang yung last 2 stages kahapon kasi basa na lupa at maputik, di na makatakbo nang mabilis!

Sorry mga sirs, tumatanda na talaga! ang bagal na kung kumilos! hahaha!!! ;f;f;f

PS: glk17, dapat ikaw nagbibigay nang mga tips dito! atsaka andun na sa f&m - trash talk edition thread mga pics kinuha ko sa production nationals!

;e

atmarcella
10-03-2004, 06:27
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JuDGe
[B]Yup!... I believe so, back when saruman and i were using G35 naka +2 base pad kami.... and it still fits in the box.
_____________________________________________________________________

thank you ulit judge, sana bili na ako ng +5 USPSA legal lang pala sya, +2 na lang

Fonzy
10-03-2004, 08:44
Originally posted by 9MX
being relatively new in IPSC, safety was solidly emphasized to me before. IIRC my trigger finger is always out of the guard during transitions. If it wasn't, I'm sure there would have been several ADs and DQs since I began.;e

matingnan nga yung videos ko;f

do ro's strict on this rule, based on other posts mukhang yung iba di yata napapansin, tama ba? anyway, better safe than sorry (especially for newbies like me :) )

:cool:

Fonzy
10-03-2004, 08:53
Last time i was PI i was invited by a friend to joined a club shoot(not the club i am a member of) since bagong mukha ako pinasikatan ako ng mga regulars and tyros doon ..rigs state of the art, matitinde mga gamit, may mga naninindak sa tingin at may mga trash talkers naku kung papansinin ko eh malilintikan lang ang laro ko .di ko tinatangal ang ear plug ko at tip na rin ng friend ko pag aralan ko na lang ang COF kesa intindihin ang mga competitors.
Ng putukan na ..whooozz ang bibilis ...wham may nadapa..bhug ..may nalaglagan ng pistol ..opps...may nag jam ang baril..may nalilito kung anong targets ang uunahin..
Ako bagito sige tira ..binagalan ko lang pero tumatama(practisado bukid eh) got 3 miss and didnt win but it didnt bother me at all coz i went there to have fun and test my pistol and myself kung kaya ang pressure, quite amazed coz i did better than the regulars who got more mikes than me ..some DQed coz of negligence some didnt finished the shoot coz of malfunctions..
bottom line is sa stats nagkakatalo ...kung mabilis yung iba wala namang hits sa papel useless di ba ..pero pag magisa lang ako sa range sige ratrat ;I [/B]

thanks for sharing your experience julianz.

ganda yung tactic mo, wear your ear plugs and ignore the wanna-be's ;f . daming psychology sa sport natin, sabi nga nila shooting is more of a mental game. di kaya dahil daming naloloko dito, diretsong mental hospital ;f ;a .

:cool:

vega
10-03-2004, 10:56
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
mbclub: pwede mo rin bawasan yung front para mas madali mag clear ang muzzle ng glock mo.
IDPA Ruling - You cannot modify an approved holster in anyway. Don't know about IPSC.

vega

9MX
10-03-2004, 19:08
Originally posted by vega
IDPA Ruling - You cannot modify an approved holster in anyway. Don't know about IPSC.

vega

EC was most probably referring to IPSC rules. IDPA matches here are very rare these days.

vega
10-03-2004, 20:37
9MX - What happened? There used to be one every month at Armscor.

vega

batangueno
10-03-2004, 20:42
Originally posted by vega
9MX - What happened? There used to be one every month at Armscor.

vega Too few participants. Yung mga nahuli parang kami-kami na lang ang kasali kaya certificates na lang ang awards. Tapos nagka gun ban pa kaya nawala na talaga. I don't know if Armscor is planning on bringing it back.

jasonub
10-03-2004, 21:00
Originally posted by ogiebb
ang bilis mo pala talaga may time ka pa mag safety ng mga 4 or more steps..pag ako nag run ng stage iniisip ko lang na trigger finger out ako at kung saan ko ipaplant ang foot ko para sa next target...:cool: :cool: but tulad ni allegra nung nasa video ako naka trigger finger din ako minsan.;f


Sana mavideo din ako para makita ko kung nakapatong din sa trigger when i run.

SMBeerDealer
10-03-2004, 23:33
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
SMB: hahaha!!! Nakakahawa nga mga rumarat-rat! Pero ang mga top shooters meron cadence ang putok. Pansinin mo mga putok nang rat-rat wannabes, ang bilis at erratic pero pag scoring na, ang daming down and miss. Ang mga magagaling walang pause ang putok kahit sa transition.

Yung libreng san mig lite ko, pag nagkita-kita na lang ang tropa!

;e

Practiced doing the cadence last saturday. Nagpaturo ako kay Ernie Claudio. Mas mabilis parin ako sa pa-double tap double tap muna. Pag nagka-cadence ako i'm forced to extend my split para pumatay sa transition. Too slow pa sa transition to be able to have a good cadence. Pa-praktisin na lang baka gumanda rin pakinggan, pati narin ang hits. :)

As you guys said, hits na muna intindihin kesa sa time. Pansin ko talaga maganda hits ko pag dahan-dahan. Aagahan ko nalang pumunta sa matches para konti lang maririnig kong rumaratrat at di ako mahahawa. Hehehe! ;f

Let me know nalang when to bring the SML.

SMBeerDealer
10-03-2004, 23:40
Originally posted by julianz
correct si doc EC dyan ..pag ako lang mag isa sa arange i emulate the fast shooter sa comps feeling magaling ba..pag check ko sa papel minsan 1 out of 2 or puro mikes pero when i go over the same stage taking my time at di nangigigil aba pati pepper poppers one shot tumba.
for us newbies di muna kailangan mabilis kailangan muna tumama at unahin ang mental aspects of the sports , we have to learn to control ourselves first.
Last time i was PI i was invited by a friend to joined a club shoot(not the club i am a member of) since bagong mukha ako pinasikatan ako ng mga regulars and tyros doon ..rigs state of the art, matitinde mga gamit, may mga naninindak sa tingin at may mga trash talkers naku kung papansinin ko eh malilintikan lang ang laro ko .di ko tinatangal ang ear plug ko at tip na rin ng friend ko pag aralan ko na lang ang COF kesa intindihin ang mga competitors.
Ng putukan na ..whooozz ang bibilis ...wham may nadapa..bhug ..may nalaglagan ng pistol ..opps...may nag jam ang baril..may nalilito kung anong targets ang uunahin..
Ako bagito sige tira ..binagalan ko lang pero tumatama(practisado bukid eh) got 3 miss and didnt win but it didnt bother me at all coz i went there to have fun and test my pistol and myself kung kaya ang pressure, quite amazed coz i did better than the regulars who got more mikes than me ..some DQed coz of negligence some didnt finished the shoot coz of malfunctions..
bottom line is sa stats nagkakatalo ...kung mabilis yung iba wala namang hits sa papel useless di ba ..pero pag magisa lang ako sa range sige ratrat ;I

Kailangan talaga ma-develop ko yung mental conditioning ko. Have to refrain, mahirap nang gigil masyado. My next goal is no mikes kasi, kailangan bagalan muna. Pag nasanay na ang hits unti-unti ko nalang bibilisan. I remember the last stage of the first match I joined recently. Nilakaran ko lang and yung stage na yun no mikes no deltas. Mga 3 charlies lang out of 30 rounds, got my best HF on that stage. Thanks for the advice. I'll keep my plugs on nga more often sa matches think that'll help a lot. :)

mc_oliver
10-04-2004, 00:43
Originally posted by SMBeerDealer
Pag nagka-cadence ako i'm forced to extend my split para pumatay sa transition.
Tama yan. A consequence to this is that you'll be ready to break the shot the moment your sights hit the A-zone. Shoot, shoot, snap eyes to next a-zone, gun follows, shoot, shoot. The objective is not to improve your splits but your vision.;)

Eye Cutter
10-04-2004, 03:49
don't worry about the speed, if you know what to see when you break the shot everytime, bumibilis ang sequence of events.

glck17
10-04-2004, 04:09
just see your front sight lift on the A zone every time you pull the trigger;)

Fonzy
10-04-2004, 11:54
Originally posted by glck17
just see your front sight lift on the A zone every time you pull the trigger;)

calling your shots ba tawag dito sir?

what i really don't grasp at the moment is follow through, kala ko sa tennis or bowling lang meron nun ;f ;P . or is this what glck17 meant when he posted the above?

thanks bogs ;?

:cool:

Fonzy
10-04-2004, 12:13
Just found this on the net, newbies like me might find this useful...

Plaxco's Shooting Principles:

1. Accuracy take precedence over speed.

2. Speed is economy of motion.

3. Speed will come with practice (if you practice to be fast).

4. Let the sight dictate the cadence of fire.

5. You must learn what is an acceptable sight picture and trigger control for the shot required.

6. Shoot one shot at a time.

7. When all else fails, align the sights... squeeze the trigger.



Any comments, reactions?... fire away!


:cool:

Plaxco nga pala ay champion ispc shooter, di ko alam yung full credentials :) .

Eye Cutter
10-04-2004, 20:27
ito yung concept gaya sa golf swing: keep your head down, complete swing through before you raise your head to follow the ball. sa tennis, swing the racket forward, up and over your shoulder.

sa shooting, you need to keep the pistol still until after the bullet cleared the barrel. this is true even if your eyes have moved on to acquire the next target. pag nadala mo kamay mo towards the next array, mag-miss ka.

Eye Cutter
10-04-2004, 20:31
You must learn what is an acceptable sight picture and trigger control for the shot required

dapat alam mo saan ang point of impact ng bala when the front sight is centered in the notch, when it is aligned more to the left or to the right, when the FS is higher in the rear notch or when it is lower.

SMBeerDealer
10-04-2004, 21:32
mc_o, glck17, Eye Cutter,

Thanks sa tips. I'm sure this'll all contribute to my growth in this game. ;f

glck17
10-05-2004, 05:58
Fonzy:calling your shots ba tawag dito sir?


yup. if you didn't see your front sight lift in the target zone, then you'll have mikes. ;) when in doubt? engage again.:)

atmarcella
10-05-2004, 07:33
have any of you guys used a MAGLOC RECOIL CONTROL THUMB REST FOR GLOCK PISTOL? pls. see picture and give feedback thanks!!!!

ogiebb
10-05-2004, 07:43
Originally posted by atmarcella
have any of you guys used a MAGLOC RECOIL CONTROL THUMB REST FOR GLOCK PISTOL? pls. see picture and give feedback thanks!!!!


i had one before ..i got it from ebay its a total waste ..its too darn big, even the magwell is kinda cheesy...;)

atmarcella
10-05-2004, 07:57
THANKS OGGIEBB!!!!!!!!!!!

ogiebb
10-05-2004, 08:52
Originally posted by atmarcella
THANKS OGGIEBB!!!!!!!!!!!


no problem buddy..;)


i think the best upgrade that a person can do to a glock is to have a ghost rocket connector and a steel guide rod...but in the end theres always charlie vanek;)

atmarcella
10-05-2004, 09:58
pare who installed your ghost rocket?............who is charlie vanek?

ogiebb
10-05-2004, 10:24
Originally posted by atmarcella
pare who installed your ghost rocket?............who is charlie vanek?


its not so hard to set up konting dremel work lang at tadaa!!! good trigger na. konting polish pa at masarap na irat rat;f ;f

Charlie Vanek is a Glock guru ..he can tune your trigger as low as 1.5 # and make it feel like an STI:) i once did my own trgger job on my G24 and had it down to 1.5 - 2# but it still ain as nice as Charlie's trigger

http://www.vanekcustom.com/

http://ghostinc.zoovy.com/category/35_rocket

atmarcella
10-06-2004, 06:52
meron ba gunsmith dito sa atin na marunong mag install ng ghost rocket? do i have to buy that orange slide plate na half cut for ease of installation daw?

ogiebb
10-06-2004, 07:24
Originally posted by atmarcella
meron ba gunsmith dito sa atin na marunong mag install ng ghost rocket? do i have to buy that orange slide plate na half cut for ease of installation daw?


you can do it yourself...madali lang sya install and you dont need to buy the orange plate. toothpick lang ang katapat nyan...also change the springs if you want an even better trigger;)

9MX
10-06-2004, 07:54
Originally posted by ogiebb
. toothpick lang ang katapat nyan...also change the springs if you want an even better trigger;)

correct! save your money! i'm not sure where you are, but if you're here in manila, join us in our practice sessions, we'll show you how;)

naks, parang kabisadong kabisado ko na ah:cool:

seriously, madali lang yan.

atmarcella
10-06-2004, 08:43
sir i live in san pablo city, cguro once i get my ghost rocket dalhin ko na lang yung receiver lang ng pistol ko dyan sa range ninyo, btw san range nyo sir? as of the moment pala i'm still waiting for my brass magwell, extended mag release and slide stop, and tungsten guide rod which i ordered from topglock, mga ilang araw pa kaya yon, sir meron na kayo experience sa topglock?

ogiebb
10-06-2004, 09:21
you have to bring your upper for the fitting kasi you still ahve to check if the striker will be functioning after the installation..

9MX
10-06-2004, 09:57
Originally posted by atmarcella
sir i live in san pablo city, cguro once i get my ghost rocket dalhin ko na lang yung receiver lang ng pistol ko dyan sa range ninyo, btw san range nyo sir? as of the moment pala i'm still waiting for my brass magwell, extended mag release and slide stop, and tungsten guide rod which i ordered from topglock, mga ilang araw pa kaya yon, sir meron na kayo experience sa topglock?

topglock's service is A-1, i've ordered from them a couple of times but the delivery was within US territory, just had a friend transport the items for me. i'm just not sure of their performance internationally, but i bet it should be topnotch as well.

if you're a member of any shooting club in san pablo, i'm sure there is a glocker there to help you. otherwise, let us know in advance when you plan to go to manila. i shoot at armscor by the way. anyway, i believe there is a level 2 match in balayan this november, maybe you can meet us there:)

doctabako
10-06-2004, 10:35
Originally posted by 9MX
i believe there is a level 2 match in balayan this november, maybe you can meet us there:)

So sorry, our club is undergoing a major overhaul.Had to resolve some internal problems and "ghosts" from the past to make us more efficient which also involves weeding out inactive members and "excess baggage".. We will even be changing our club's name and SEC registration but will retain our PPSA accreditation. Once we iron everything out I'll just keep you guys posted on when the next match will be.:)

atmarcella
10-07-2004, 08:09
yup, i'm with 7 lakes gun club, i think the guys are going to batangas city this weekend, badtrip nga cant go with them duty calls, have to go to naga city for area meeting, anyway pare what if mechanically challenged talaga ako and i just wanna bring my gun to a smith, do you know of one who has installed a ghost rocket? i remember me nabasa ako na thread dito that mentioned MANG DOLPHO, yung gunsmith sa MCS, as being very good with glocks, you think he can install a ghost rocket?

9MX
10-07-2004, 08:21
Originally posted by atmarcella
yup, i'm with 7 lakes gun club, i think the guys are going to batangas city this weekend, badtrip nga cant go with them duty calls, have to go to naga city for area meeting, anyway pare what if mechanically challenged talaga ako and i just wanna bring my gun to a smith, do you know of one who has installed a ghost rocket? i remember me nabasa ako na thread dito that mentioned MANG DOLPHO, yung gunsmith sa MCS, as being very good with glocks, you think he can install a ghost rocket?

i'm not sure, but most likely, he can.if money and time is not an issue, go for it. personally, nanghihinayang ako. have you tried asking your fellow club members?

Eye Cutter
10-07-2004, 09:38
atmarcella: order ka na lang kay charlie vanek ng trigger kit nya or sa Custom Glock Racing. Yung orig na trigger assembly mo, itabi mo na lang. Pag ibebenta mo na, balik sa stock.

do you need extra .40 mags? meron pa ako 2pcs natabi from my old G22. I can sell it to you if you need more mags.

ogiebb
10-07-2004, 09:44
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
atmarcella: order ka na lang kay charlie vanek ng trigger kit nya or sa Custom Glock Racing. Yung orig na trigger assembly mo, itabi mo na lang. Pag ibebenta mo na, balik sa stock.

do you need extra .40 mags? meron pa ako 2pcs natabi from my old G22. I can sell it to you if you need more mags.



baka next month pa daw si charlie bumalik sa triggers ..busy daw kasi ... syet a g22 in standard class.. pwede siguro mag run ng 20 +1 dun kasi medyo maiksi naman ang slide e:)

atmarcella
10-07-2004, 23:52
Originally posted by 9MX
i'm not sure, but most likely, he can.if money and time is not an issue, go for it. personally, nanghihinayang ako. have you tried asking your fellow club members?


9mx, lahat sila naka 1911, yung iba lumalaban sa production naka browning or some other double action first shot 9mm variant

atmarcella
10-07-2004, 23:58
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
atmarcella: order ka na lang kay charlie vanek ng trigger kit nya or sa Custom Glock Racing. Yung orig na trigger assembly mo, itabi mo na lang. Pag ibebenta mo na, balik sa stock.

do you need extra .40 mags? meron pa ako 2pcs natabi from my old G22. I can sell it to you if you need more mags.


doc you know what i just ordered from topglock and they replied that they no longer take orders from the philippines cos they have such a hard time getting it thru customs daw, you think charlie vanek or CGR takes orders from here? doc i have 3 mags already, i'm gonna try arredondo accessories meron sila +3 thats IPSC legal, sana they can deliver here, pero if i need more doc i'll PM you, thanks

atmarcella
10-08-2004, 00:01
Originally posted by ogiebb
baka next month pa daw si charlie bumalik sa triggers ..busy daw kasi ... syet a g22 in standard class.. pwede siguro mag run ng 20 +1 dun kasi medyo maiksi naman ang slide e:)


ogiebb i have asked robin taylor about that kasi meron sya +5 basepad sabi nya USPSA legal lang daw yon di daw kakasya sa IPSC box kung naka +5