a affordable 1911 10mm ????

[hangmans joke]

looking for 1911 in 10 mm, reasonable, i dont have money to buy anyting kimberish if you know what i mean . anyone have suggestions ??


hj

[NetNinja]

www.gunsamerica.com

type in 10mm see what pops up.

[gsbell]

Dan Wesson makes very nice 10mm 1911's at a fair price. Not sure what a Kimberish price means?

If you need to go cheaper look at Tanfoglio Witness 10mm's. I Haven't heard much about them though.

[Dead Man's Hand]

When it comes to 1911 10mm pistols you are pretty limited in choices.

The Colt Delta Elite and Springfield Omega are discontinued and command a high price.

The Kimber Stainless 10mm is around the $900 mark and the Eclipse model is even more.

The Dan Wesson Razorback is still around the $800 to $900 mark and the high end customs are very high in price.

If you are looking for a bargain 10mm you will not find it in a 1911 platform, the best bang for your buck 10mm pistols are the Witness and Glock.

Check out 10mmTalk (http://www.10mmTalk.com) for more about the 10mm and the weapons they are available in.

[ussee]

and HomeGunsmithing Forums. You can get most, if not all of the parts used, the rest from Numrich and McCormick, and assemble one for $500-$600.

[KB4IFS]

Check the auction sites for the S&W 10xx series of 10mm pistols(1066, 1006, 1026, 1076, ext). Great bargins and will stand up to anything. Prices are reasonable.

[Medpilot 2]

Affordable 10mm 1911.

Now there's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. ;a

[MarkCO]

A DW in 10mm sold for $550 on Gunbroker last month. They make 10mm in more than just the Razorbacks.

Here is one from DW direct...

http://gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=23437559

Keep looking and you'll find one eventually.

[TooShyGuy]

I have a blued 10MM Pointman that I paid $559 for back in April. Haven't seen another one since. Great gun. Keep looking.

[srfl]

I have a Dan Wesson PT-EXP 10mm 1911. Purchased it for under $700 with adjustable sights and a stainless steel frame and blued slide. I e-mailed them directly. The PT-EXP is a nice gun. Accurate. But it came with some "baggage".

The gun has an external extractor. The brass bangs on the slide when ejected. As a result: brass "smudge" marks on the slide from the brass skipping off of the slide. DW's president, Bob Serva explained that is normal.

A couple of frustrating DW moments: they almost gave me some other dude's gun accidently....they shipped the wrong PT-EXP to my FFL with a custom serial number. They got the gun back from my dealer, but not after leaving me confused and not happy that I had to travel back and forth to my FFL. I was equally unhappy that no one at DW bothered to contact me to explain the mix up and status of my gun....I had to contact them to get answer.

When I got my gun, someone at DW failed to secure the dovetailed front sight (AAARRRGGGHHH). In fact, there wasn't even a screw hole drilled in the sight. As a result, the gun had to go back to DW to fix that major oversight on their part.

If that wasn't bad enough, I ordered three extra CMC mags...two were defective......moan, groan.....yes, they were replaced...but now one of the two replacements is giving me problems again!! This issue is not a hit on DW though.

All of that said, my gun is nice. It functions fine (with proper mags) with full power 10mm loads. It is most accurate with Double Tap Ammo's 165 grain Golden Saber JHP rounds.

[bigbadge]

If you can find a reason to come to oklahoma during a gun show, the prices on Delta Gold Cups are very reasonable. I have picked one up at the last two shows for $700 and $625, respectively. Great looking/shooting guns.

[sk65]

I just put a deposit on one this week. the total cost for me is $630 for a DW 10mm

[MoNsTeR]

Why cheap out on the gun when the ammo costs a fortune?

[Mwinter]

ONCE AGAIN, 10mm ammo is not much more expensive than 45ACP or 357SIG....sheesh. If it was, I wouldn't own 5 10mm pistols or carry one on duty.

For the good stuff (premium JHPs), it's the same price range as 40SW, 45, or 357SIG or even 380ACP! Shop on the net if you don't believe me....natchez routinely has JHPS for less than $10/20, and target ammo for about $10 per box.

The only significantly cheaper plinking ammo in a defensive caliber is 9mm, and maybe 38 Special.

Personally, I've bought 3 Deltas in the last 2 years....2 of GunBroker, 1 off GT FTF...

I haven't paid over $800 yet. I'd MUCH rather have a used Colt Delta in good condition than a new Kimber or DW.

[mr.squatch]

Originally posted by bigbadge
If you can find a reason to come to oklahoma during a gun show, the prices on Delta Gold Cups are very reasonable. I have picked one up at the last two shows for $700 and $625, respectively. Great looking/shooting guns.

oklahoma gunshow aka every other weekend :D

g

[coverdog]

Pick up a .40 gun and get the barrel reamed, a recoil spring. 10mm mags and your done.

[Old Coastie]

I guess it depends on what you are willing to spend. Last month I came across a Colt Delta 10mm (not Delta Elite) for $460. It is in good shape mechanically, just not a real beauty. It should be one heck of a shooter.

Good luck,

Mike

[MoNsTeR]

and target ammo for about $10 per box.
Like I said, a fortune. Saying it's no more than .45ACP or .357SIG isn't much, since those cost a fortune too.

If you're paying that much for ammo, you're either not shooting as much as you should, or you can afford to pay for a quality gun.

[Mwinter]

Well monster, just how much 'should' I be shooting?
50 rounds a week?
500 rounds a month?
10,000 per weapon per year?
or maybe 2k rounds in a day's training ala 22nd SAS CRW?

The jist of your post is that only relatively inexpensive defensive calibers are good ones....so an officer who is issued a 45acp shouldn't buy lots of practice ammo on his/her own? Or they should train with a cheaper caliber or different weapon?

Does round count on similar systems/weapons count in your book (ie practice with a .22lr or 9mm 1911 instead of a 10mm 1911?)

Or should we all reload, regardless of time spent?

And "quality weapon"....hmmm the Glock 20 I got for $200 is a quality weapon....but so is the one I bought at retail for $549...
the Colt Delta I paid about $579 for shoots almost as well as the one I paid $800 for....
Oh yeah the TRP I paid $1200 jams...imagine that!

just seeking more knowledge since you seem to know so much! ;z

[MoNsTeR]

Don't get all bent out of shape, man ;)

The jist of your post is that only relatively inexpensive defensive calibers are good ones.
No it isn't, and you know it.
I did not say anything about the merits of expensive calibers, I simply pointed out the fact that they are, in my opinion, expensive.

I don't know what other folks budgets or value scales are like, but $10/50 for ammo is something I just can't stomach. At that price I'll shoot maybe 100rds once or twice a month, and improve only slowly. However, others' means and priorities differ. Judging by how many folks I see at the range, burning through box after box of factory ammo (as much as $14/50 for .45), my attitude may in fact be uncommon.

The point is that if you can afford to shoot 500-1000 rounds a month at factory prices (that's $100-$200, at $10/50), you're doing yourself a disservice by insisting on a cheap 1911. The $550 you'll spend on a G20 gets you what I called "a quality gun." Spending the same $550 on a 1911, no matter who made it (full-house customs randomly found in pawnshops excepted), does not. If you can afford to pay that much for ammo, and you want a 1911, do yourself a favor and spend at least $1000.

I don't claim to "know" much of anything. Just an opinion from a guy with a couple of <$700 1911's, a couple of >$2000 1911's, and a couple of Glocks. Cheers! ;c

P.S. Yes, everyone should reload. Everyone.

[jcmios]

If you can find a reasonably priced 40S&W 1911 it is easy to rechamber the barrel and up the spring to 24lbs and a new mag. Or you can just buy a Kart drop in barrel, they make them in 10mm ramped and non ramped. I have recut chambers for customers and the cost is $85.00. If you buy a new barrel you will have a 2 in one gun.

[Mwinter]

Quite frankly, I think everyone should reload too....if only for the knowledge you gain. The nuts and guts of terminal performance, ballistics, firearm function (and MALfunction) are really brought home by 'rolling your own', even if it's low quantities on a single stage press like I do.

My budgetary advice for the original poster stands....that is, there are indeed 'inexpensive' 1911s out there that are perfectly fine. Yes, they're often used guns, but if my choice is a used Delta at about $579 (and tons of ammo and mags) or a new Baer/Brown/Wilson/etc. for $1500+ and a little ammo, I'll take the Delta hands down....that's kinda back to the ammo-budget argument again I guess.

Of course I hafta say it...just get a Glock
;f