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antediluvianist
09-18-2004, 22:59
"A 12-year-old San Antonio boy died Saturday afternoon south of Giddings when he was struck on the top of the head by the recoil of a Ruger .454 gun he was firing. The boy, identified by the Lee County Sheriff’s Office as Marcus Wall, was pronounced dead at the scene by Justice of the Peace Paul Fischer.

According to the Sheriff’s report, when Marcus asked to shoot the Ruger, Ramsey told the young boy the gun was too large for him to shoot. However, allegedly it was later “ OK’ed for him [Marcus] to shoot the gun”. The report did not identify who gave permission for the child to shoot, though Ramsey stood by the boy when he fired.

From the Sheriff’s account of the incident, Marcus was instructed how to hold and shoot the gun. “Mr. Ramsey assisted the victim [when taking aim] by holding his hand above the victim’s [hands] for the recoil,” explained Deputy Meyer.

When the gun was fired, the gun recoiled upward, hitting Marcus in the head causing head trauma. The gun’s owner, Ramsey, received injury to his fingers but was not transported for medical attention.

The Sheriff’s Office 911 dispatch received two calls reporting the incident, though only the second caller could identify their location. Deputy Mike York advised dispatch that he was in the area and had been flagged down and directed to the location. Upon arrival at the scene, Deputy York radioed to dispatch to cancel the call for an ambulance and to send out a Justice of the Peace.

The recoil velocity of the Ruger .454 has been noted for its strength for some time. In a May 2001 article in Shooting Times, author Dick Metcalf reported that “...when the .454 Casull version of the Super Redhawk was introduced in 1999, Ruger spokesmen candidly acknowledged they did not expect the new chambering to be shot a lot for casual plinking or for steel-target competition. Its recoil was simply too severe.”

antediluvianist
09-18-2004, 23:09
As you may know, I have been looking around town for what are the heaviest guns available locally. The Ruger Blackhawk and Super Redhawk are available at Twin Pines/Casa Armas (at the Topacio stores in general.)

In researching the Super Redhawk on the internet, I came across the newpaper clipping above. The 12-year-old boy was actually killed by the recoil.

Still, in some other caliber (not .454 Casull), it might be OK. Looks hilarious to hold it , though. Maybe a 6inch barrel S&W 686PP (with the internal compensator out front) will be about right.

doctabako
09-19-2004, 00:27
Its the height of irresponsibility, not to mention stupidity for that gun owner to let the boy fire that big bore. Even some grown men have a problem handling that caliber.

I've let my 13 year old fire almost all of my guns except for my .44 mag Super Blackhawk which I'm quite sure he couldn't handle yet. The gun though impractical, and as you say hilarious to hold is one of my favorites and I even have a Bianchi Texan rig for it(I like cowboy movies);f
Here's mine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/doctabako/DocsRSB.jpg

Jeff S.
09-19-2004, 00:36
That's it, ban it!







Seriously, sorry to hear of the boys death. Always a tragedy.

antediluvianist
09-19-2004, 00:43
Doctabako, you have a Super Blackhawk? Cool ! That must draw stares at a gun range/open-air competition. and B O O M !!!!

doctabako
09-19-2004, 01:41
Yup, It does create a bit of a stir when I bring it to the range but maybe the stares are their way of saying. "What does he need that gun for?", or "who's this wierdo?" ;f ;f Most people haven't seen single action revolvers up close so its really a novelty for some, specially how the bullets are loaded and unloaded.
Its pretty accurate and modesty aside I can hit 8 inch plates with it with boring regularity up to 75 meters( Our range's limit). They do come up and want to handle it and when I'm in a good mood I let them fire it. Its just a shame that we don't have silhouette competitions for guns like these in the Philippines. :)

9MX
09-19-2004, 04:57
Doc T,

if i'm able to shoot again in your turf this november, can you let me try that cannon for a couple or more;f ? i like the others, gape at that thing's size. i'm curious how it feels to fire one;Q

jeff s

welcome to bogs;Y

doctabako
09-19-2004, 05:12
Originally posted by 9MX
Doc T,

if i'm able to shoot again in your turf this november, can you let me try that cannon for a couple or more;f ? i like the others, gape at that thing's size. i'm curious how it feels to fire one;Q


Sure, I'm certain you'll enjoy it.:)

jmy
09-19-2004, 07:12
Originally posted by antediluvianist
As you may know, I have been looking around town for what are the heaviest guns available locally. The Ruger Blackhawk and Super Redhawk are available at Twin Pines/Casa Armas (at the Topacio stores in general.)

In researching the Super Redhawk on the internet, I came across the newpaper clipping above. The 12-year-old boy was actually killed by the recoil.

Still, in some other caliber (not .454 Casull), it might be OK. Looks hilarious to hold it , though. Maybe a 6inch barrel S&W 686PP (with the internal compensator out front) will be about right.


By the way,I know that this is kinda off-topic but since you mentioned Casa Armas and I remembered that a few post ago(Can't Really Recall The Post),someone was looking for a Glock 34.Well,I went window shopping last friday at Makati Cinema Square and there was a Glock 34 on display at Casa Armas.

jmy