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Eddie C.
09-25-2004, 18:30
My dealer received this today and I thought I'd share it with you.

KAHR PM9 BARREL RECALL NOTICE

IMPORTANT NOTICE- PLEASE READ IMMEDIATELY UPON RECEIPT


Dear Kahr Arms Customer,

Kahr's PM9 is one of our most reliable products for the concealed carry market. Nevertheless, in Kahr's pursuit towards continuous improvement, we are calling for the return of certain PM9 barrels for even greater reliability and safety.

Kahr Arms is asking all Kahr customers to return the barrels only from certain serial numbers of the Kahr PM9 3" barrel polymer frame 9mm pistols in order to repair or replace barrels that were found to not properly feed some brands of hollow point ammunition, which under certain circumstances may be unsafe for the user.

If you possess a Kahr PM9 3" barrel model within the range of the serial numbers noted below, please return the barrel only with a tag indicating the serial number of the gun. Barrels received will be repaired or replaced and shipped back within 7 business days. Please return the barrel and your name and address to:

Karh Arms
130 Goddard Memorial Drive
Worchester, MA 01603

Thank you for cooperating with us in our pursuit of continuous improvement. We apologize in advance for any inconvenience this may cause you.
If you have any questions or comments regarding this notice, please do not hesitate to contact David Konn, Director of Dealer Development at (561)656-1288.

Sincerely,
Frank Harris

VP, Sales and Marketing


Models involved: PM9093A, PM9093NA, 9094A, PM9094NA

Serial number ranges: VA0003--VA9999, VB0004--VB0999





Eddie C.

Dandapani
09-25-2004, 20:32
Thanks. Been there, done that. Barrel recalled, repaired and returned long back. Use the SEARCH link.

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=267476

Eddie C.
09-27-2004, 08:03
Originally posted by dmobrien2001
Thanks. Been there, done that. Barrel recalled, repaired and returned long back. Use the SEARCH link.

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=267476


No problem, thanks Dan. I just wanted to be sure people saw it. I don't own a Kahr, I wanted anyone here that carries one to be aware of the recall. My dealer gave me the notice the other day. I'll leave it up for a bit then let it go. If I forget and leave it up too long, let me know and I will release it.

Eddie C.

Dandapani
09-27-2004, 09:33
Originally posted by Eddie C.
I'll leave it up for a bit then let it go. If I forget and leave it up too long, let me know and I will release it.

Eddie C.

Sorry, Eddie, didn't realize you posted this a general warning. It can be left stickied. The other thread has gotten lost in the shuffle. New owners will see your post and can follow the link to the discussion. Thanks for looking out for us!

jmsfmtex
10-07-2004, 10:31
I was wondering if the problem is just with feeding certain types of ammo or a danger when fireing? If it is just with certain types of ammo and I have not had the problem why should I have to have it repaired or replaced? I fluffed and buffed the barrel when I first purchased it and do not see any sharp edges on or near the feed ramp. And I agree that if the barrel needs replacing they should just send out new barrels. I just got mine back from having a sight fixed and do not care to send it in again.

Colorado Fatboy
10-07-2004, 19:10
FWIW, myself and others with guns in the recall range have decided not to have our barrels fixed. The recall is only for feeding problems.

I'll stick with what I have said from the first time I heard of this recall. "If it ain't broke don't fix it!"

jmsfmtex
10-08-2004, 12:13
I am in total agreement. Tks

pbass
10-08-2004, 17:20
I shipped it out the afternoon of 9/24 Priority Mail Insured with Delivery Confirmation along with the slide (bought the Trijicon front and Novak tritium rear w/installation and zeroing, processing was concurrent and what the heck, they need the barrel anyway for this). Came back this afternoon 10/8 via FedEx priority overnight. Two weeks round trip works for me.

About sending 'em back--Corbon 115 +P JHPs were hanging up on the feed ramp after the first shot with a topped-off mag if I didn't slap that mag home (if I pressed it home gently, I think the round crept forward a tad in the mag lips, precipitating the hangup). Now if it had been my habit to slap 'em home I'd never have known there was a problem until some day when I didn't. Or my wife didn't. Not good! Or had I been shooting another kind of JHP with a different profile I'd never have known.

When MS offers an XP patch, I install it. So I know for sure that even if I hadn't gotten a hangup, I'd have sent it back. Things are pretty serious when a small company like Kahr is going out of their way to do all that work free and springs for all that shipping. Not that Colt ever recalled any Commander to throat it (haven't bought one of those since the late 70s, and guess why), but how many of those are they selling these days compared to Kahrs?

Now about the ramp, I clean every new gun before shooting it, and as I cleaned my PM9 I was squinting skeptically at the ramp. It looked like some kid with a Dremel had polished it with a rubber cone, all random swirlies. When I got my new or fixed barrel back, the ramp was pro-level slick and there was a new softness to the chamber/ramp transition.

I won't know how it shoots 'til later, possibly not 'til the local IDPA compact match on the 23rd, but considering it was darned close to being OK, I think it'll finally do. Anyway what's two weeks out of the life of the gun spent getting it street-reliable? My two cents.

10-10-2004, 13:27
Thanks for the sticky note on this. I don't come around too often, and this was the first I had heard of the recall. I haven't shot a large variety of ammo through mine, and it's worked fine, though it's always been a little stiff chambering the first round from a magazine.

I figure if Kahr thinks it's important enough to pay the money for shop time and shipping, who am I to argue. In fact, I'm glad they care enough to want their guns to feed any round you might buy. I shipped out my barrel yesterday.

Cheers,
Rusty

actnup2
10-13-2004, 15:59
I wanted to say Thank you for posting this recall notice. I sent my barrell off to Kahr last Thursday. I am waiting for a return package. I will post when I receive my package. I am optimistic about the CS at Kahr.

sailfish
11-26-2004, 06:46
Sent mine back two weeks ago and had it promptly serviced and returned. Looks like they polished up the feed ramp and removed some edges.

The only problem I had with the PM9 was an occasional failure of the slide to go into full battery, usually with the last round of the mag. I would have to thumb the slide forward about 1/8". The problem became less frequent as I broke it in. I've read on the other Kahr site that this was a common issue, so I'm curious if the recall had anything to do with it.

txgolfer45
12-13-2004, 18:27
I guess my barrel needs to go back for the recall. It is a VA3XXX PM9.

Ugh!!!

Scott

CROTA
01-28-2005, 11:17
My P9 is not listed on the recall. However, I have the exact symptons described, especially when I use the Corbon 115 + P's. I spoke with Kahr and they said send it back, no questions asked.

So, off it goes. Thx for the detaied info.:)

ScoPro
03-17-2005, 14:44
My PM9 is #VA11xx, but it only had 1 FTF in 500 rounds early on. Guess I'll skip the recall.

Can hardly wait for the P45.

hi50phd
06-06-2005, 20:05
when I read the page on their site. Complained about "feeling" the slide go into battery as with a weakened spring. Since this was my 2nd replacement after only 1500 rounds, I was set to complain.

The customer service person indicated that Kahr had redesigned the recoil spring set and sent me an example of the new set, gratis.

Now that I know the spring is fixed, I need to send my barrel in for "r or r". Good news and bad.

pbass
06-08-2005, 04:01
Was that just spring(s) or the guide rod too?

hi50phd
06-08-2005, 04:25
Kahr sent two new pieces, the spring and spring-over guide rod. And, they're very stiff. I had some concerns about whether the new parts might be too stiff, but they functioned well over 50 rounds.

hakuin
10-10-2006, 22:43
Glad this sticky was here...just bought an old PM9 #VA3xxx and due to this info, barrel went out today. I did take a moment to check with KAI customer svc to assure the recall wasn't already done to my new (old) gun first, though.

texagun
10-21-2006, 06:50
Many thanks for this post. I am heading out to the gun show today to buy a PM9 and thought I'd check the "Kahr" board before I left. Glad I saw this...I will avoid those serial numbers.
Ain't the internet GREAT??:supergrin:

Kaiser Soze
10-26-2006, 05:34
I just got me a PM9 a few weeks ago but forgot to check it out here...my serial is VA47XX so I'm within the recall...the gun shot Cor-Bon's ok so far...the thing that pisses me off is that I can't send my barrel back even if it was malfunctioning since I'm in the Philippines and shipping firearms parts to and from the US is illegal!!!

Alicia28
10-27-2006, 09:45
Does this affect any MK models too? Do the MK's have the same barrels as the PM's since they are the same size?

Alicia:hearts:

hakuin
10-28-2006, 20:06
"I'm in the Philippines and shipping firearms parts to and from the US is illegal!!!"

Isn't there some dealer who could send it back for you?
What about shipping "machine parts"?

Kaiser Soze
10-29-2006, 01:04
Originally posted by hakuin
"I'm in the Philippines and shipping firearms parts to and from the US is illegal!!!"

Isn't there some dealer who could send it back for you?
What about shipping "machine parts"?

The dealer could, but the deale is also know for moving like molasses in winter...

Broke the PM9 yesterday, 200 rds, no FTF's except when I used a ProMag 10rd magazine.


I don't think I need to send it back, it works like a dream.

hakuin
10-29-2006, 01:57
They sent my new barrel in about 1 1/2 weeks. Other than the new finish, it appears that the feed ramp is more polished. You're right that if it's feeding, you're probably okay.

rppnj
02-14-2007, 07:59
Kahr Customer Service returned my PM9 with a new barrel after I had to return it for a barrel "peening" issue - Ser# VB8***.

I haven't had an opportunity to shoot it with the new barrel yet. Can someone who experienced the same issue please tell me if the new barrel eliminated their problems.

My thanks to Kahr Customer Service for replacing the barrel.

bb7508
03-06-2007, 10:15
What exactly is peening? I just bought a Kahr PM9 last month (have shot 200 rounds of Speer Lamwan 124gr TMJ without a single failure). What should I look for? What does peening do to a barrel?

I noticed 2 things -- slingshotting the slide does not work at all. And I noticed a few times that after firing, the slide got stuck for a millisecond on its way back to home. But it did chamber a round successfully and the next round fired fine.

The gun was bone dry when they disassembled it in the shop, so they put a little oil on it and told me to go shoot it without any cleaning. I cleaned and oiled after my one and only range trip and it seemed to be in pretty good shape.

Dandapani
03-06-2007, 11:07
Originally posted by bb7508
What exactly is peening? I just bought a Kahr PM9 last month (have shot 200 rounds of Speer Lamwan 124gr TMJ without a single failure). What should I look for? What does peening do to a barrel?

I noticed 2 things -- slingshotting the slide does not work at all. And I noticed a few times that after firing, the slide got stuck for a millisecond on its way back to home. But it did chamber a round successfully and the next round fired fine.

The gun was bone dry when they disassembled it in the shop, so they put a little oil on it and told me to go shoot it without any cleaning. I cleaned and oiled after my one and only range trip and it seemed to be in pretty good shape.

This particular recall was not about peening, but rather had to do with feeding reliably. Many people didn't even send their barrels in because they had no trouble found.

What is your Alpha Prefix and first digit of your Serial number, like "VC2..."? That will tell us whether you MIGHT have a peening problem.

bb7508
03-06-2007, 11:25
Well, I usually don't have a "peeing" problem ;) but I was just wondering about peening. I actually found another GT thread that shows pics -- very useful! But thanks for asking about my urinary condition.

BTW, didn't mean to hijack this for peening when the issue in this thread is on feeding. Just kept hearing about it and couldn't find a good description of it.

Dandapani
03-06-2007, 12:15
Originally posted by bb7508
Well, I usually don't have a "peeing" problem ;) but I was just wondering about peening. I actually found another GT thread that shows pics -- very useful! But thanks for asking about my urinary condition.

BTW, didn't mean to hijack this for peening when the issue in this thread is on feeding. Just kept hearing about it and couldn't find a good description of it.

Oops. Fixed the typo.

You still didn't post your prefix. Ok, here's some info. Dottie is telling people that PM9's with serial number "VC2xxx" and higher have been redesigned to prevent peening. If yours is later, then don't worry, be happy...

bb7508
03-06-2007, 12:49
Sorry, thanks for the info -- my serial is VC6. So far so good. Will run another 100 or so FMJ and then a box of Gold Dots to make sure it digests it all before carrying.

texagun
03-06-2007, 15:47
Ok, here's some info. Dottie is telling people that PM9's with serial number "VC2xxx" and higher have been redesigned to prevent peening. If yours is later, then don't worry, be happy...


Thanks for posting that info. Very helpful. Mine is VC57XX and absolutely no sign of peening yet.

hhb
04-06-2007, 15:37
Has any problems with the PM9 Covert been reported?

AZ Traveler
04-06-2007, 21:01
Which the PM9 or the P9 Covert? There is no PM9 Covert.

hhb
04-07-2007, 03:33
I hate to bust your bubble, but I have a PM9 Covert. Same frame as the PM9, same slide as the P9.

hhb
04-07-2007, 03:35
I went downstairs and dug the box out. It is a P9 Covert.

AZ Traveler
04-07-2007, 07:14
The P9 Covert has the same slide and barrel as the P9. These are not known to have the peening issue.

The PM9 is generally known to be the one with the peening issue.

I personally like the Covert models. I find it has most of the concealablity of the PM models, without some of the issues. The Covert has the same slide and barrel as the P9 and therefore has the simpler recoil spring and guide rod design. The PM models has a more complex double captured spring and plastic guide rod assembly.

YMMV.

Z71bill
11-04-2007, 18:38
I have a VCXXXX PM9 - outside the recall -

I shot about 1,000 rounds with no problems -

Then had 2 jams - NOSE DIVE right into the feed ramp

Called Kahr - they sent me a new heavier recoil spring and a new barrel - they said my barrel should be OK - but WANTED TO MAKE SURE MY ISSUE WAS SOLVED THE FIRST TIME -

Replaced the recoil spring - have had no issues in the last 500+ rounds, never even installed the new barrel - but its nice to have a spare - its better to buy from a company that stands behind what they sell -

CaptAlNY
04-11-2008, 08:17
I've ran about 300 rounds through my PM9 and have wear along the top of the Barrel.

Is this Wear Normal or should she go back to Kahr?

Thanks
Capt Al



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/CaptAlNy/IMG_0007sc9.jpg?t=1207922628

billye1952
09-13-2008, 19:52
THANK FOR THAT INFOR

billye1952

duncan
07-13-2010, 00:32
Are they still honoring the recall?

john heckaman
03-03-2011, 16:50
I just picked up a PM9 within the recall serial number range. Previous owner has not sent the barrel in for repair/replace. Are they still honoring this?
Thanks
John

bad89stang
09-08-2011, 21:20
I just picked up a PM9 within the recall serial number range. Previous owner has not sent the barrel in for repair/replace. Are they still honoring this?
Thanks
John

Yes they are. I sent them an email yesterday to inquire about it. They said that they do not keep a list to see which guns have already had the recall done. I bought my PM9 used, so I was unsure whether it had been performed. He said to feed some Speer Gold Dots through it to see if it would malfunction. Think I will send it in and let them do the testing with their own ammo. As most PM9's, mine will not chamber the first round without using the slide release lever. The rounds will wedge against the feed ramp. Don't like that at all.

Linux3
09-08-2011, 22:30
As most PM9's, mine will not chamber the first round without using the slide release lever. The rounds will wedge against the feed ramp. Don't like that at all.
Well, this is how the manual says to do it.

IMHO a well broken in Kahr will slingshot if you have the correct procedure.

bad89stang
09-08-2011, 23:45
Well, this is how the manual says to do it.

IMHO a well broken in Kahr will slingshot if you have the correct procedure.

Yep, but it's a bandaid for a poor design. It should operate either way.

Mine has been around since 2003. Break-in? Yeah, I think we have passed that point. It's a great little gun, but it has it's downfalls that you either live with or get rid of it.

the perfesser
09-09-2011, 20:07
Linux3: some of us are never going to be able to slingshot chamber a round no matter how broken-in the PM9 is -- hand strength and arthritis are the culprits.

bad89stang: the designed inability to slingshot-load is definitely a shortcoming that should be better known before one makes the purchase, but it is what it is as per the manual.

So I load from slidelock and hope not to have to lose time with a clearance should SHTF. And think about a snubby as a New York reload!