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jhall
10-07-2004, 13:58
The prices are all actually from newegg.com. It's where I looked over the parts and decided which ones I think I want. Anyway heres the list.

Case (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=11-144-026&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE) - Aspire X Dreamer II (Black) $54.00

MOBO (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-492&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE)- ASUS P4P800-E Deluxe, I865PE chipset, Socket 478 $111.00

Processor (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-171&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE)- Intel Pentium 4 3.0ghz 800mhz FSB Socket 478 1MB L2 Cache $189.00

HDD (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=22-152-014&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE)- Samsung 160GB 7200 RPM IDE $90.00

System Memory (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-141-423&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE)- Kingston ValueRAM Dual Channel 1GD DDR400 $170.00

Video (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-353&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE)- Saphire ATI Radeon 9600PRO 256MB DDR $115.00

DVD/CD - 1 - Samsung (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=27-151-051&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE) DVD/CD-RW 52x32x52x16 (Black) $37.99
- 1 - NEC (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=27-152-032&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE) 16x Dual Layer DVD+-RW Drive (Black) $76.99

For a grand total of around $860 shipped. Of course thats if I buy it all from newegg.com.

I'm going to use the onboard audio at first to save some money which is why I didn't include it. And I've got a monitor,keyboard,mouse, etc already, so..

What do you more tech savy people think? I do have some questions about the MOBO if any one has one or knows more about them though.

AZ-Boog
10-07-2004, 14:19
about the cpu. You should go with a Northwood core:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-163&depa=0

The Prescotts run HOT!

The Northwood is a better performing cpu. And it will run WAY cooler.

I would also recomend an 875 chipset motherboard:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-464&depa=0

little more expensive, but worth it.

Deathwind
10-07-2004, 14:27
My main suggestion would be to get a quality power supply (either via replacing the one that will come with that case, getting a bare case and seperate power supply, or getting a case that has a quality PSU with it). There's nothing quite like the frustration of hundreds of dollars of parts not working correctly because you chose to skimp out and go with a no-name cheap PSU (seeing how Aspire sells their 500W glowtastic units for $20, I'd say the bundled one is maybe a $10 part). I've had excellent results with Antec power supplies, you may pay a little more up front, but it's most definitely worth it in the long run.

fastvfr
10-07-2004, 14:53
The Prescott proc is fine; the Northwood might run 2-5C cooler, but there are functions that the Prescott flat-out spanks the Northwood core in, such as video coding and other intensive number-crunching tasks.

The gaming and benchmark performance from a 3.0E and a 3.0C is nearly identical; the C does a few things better than the E. The E does some things better than the C. It evens out.

With decent case ventilation, you will be just as happy with either, so shop for prices and availability.

I can't stress enough how right Deathwind is about the PSU!!! If you don't spend around 60% of the price of the MOBO on the power supply, you will be disappointed. I see it every time.

Even if a cheapo PSU provides smooth, clean, noise-free power (which is super-rare but it could happen), they are always lighter (due to flimsy heatsinks) and that means that they tend to radiate heat into the case.

The two things I insist to my customers: Buy a decent power supply. And buy an Uninterruptable Power Supply for the wall jack to plug the good PSU into!

I have been building PC's here for 3 years, and I have not had a single failure of any components yet. That is to say, given that the PC was set up to these standards originally, they seem nearly bulletproof.

My rigs, and all the gaming rigs I have built so far, use Lian-Li, Chieftec or Thermaltake cases with Antec PSU's purchased separately. BTW, I prefer Asus boards also.

Best regards, and yes, the parts and prices look just fine!

FastVFR

jhall
10-07-2004, 14:55
Good replies. This is the type of stuff I needed to know.

I decided I would try Intel as i have an AMD now and it runs hot, I was trying to get away from that. I see the Processor is only 10 bucks more than the prescott. thats great if its a lot cooler and runs better. How much difference is there between the 875 chipset and the 865?

And I had no idea about the cases. I just picked one.. Thanks for steering me clear of cheap stuff.

jhall
10-07-2004, 15:01
Also, with this setup would i be able to play most of the pc games out there?

Ive never been big on games(the last one i had installed was wolfenstien 3d when it was out) but i want to start getting back into it.

I noticed everyone seems to be benchmarking their systems to Doom 3 now. I realize it wouldnt be the greatest FPS but will that video card handle it at all?

AZ-Boog
10-07-2004, 15:04
For a power supply go with a PC Power and Cooling or Tagan or an Enermax.

And I stand by my advice to get a Northwood core.

Cinic
10-07-2004, 16:55
I have this case and have been completely satisfied with it and the included PS.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=11-129-127&DEPA=0

Also, any reason you're not going with a SATA hard disk? A similar one is only $6 more and gets rid of one of those IDE cables. Or you can have the DVD drives on separate channels. If you wanted to get really experimental you could get two 80GB drives and set them up in raid 0. But then you're definately adding cost.

I also noticed that some people have recommended aftermarket heatsink and fans for that CPU. I was very pleased with the cooling and noise reduction from the HSF that I installed on my Athlon XP. However, I mainly did it because I was building a quiet machine.

Good luck w/ your build.

jhall
10-07-2004, 17:19
I just haven't ever had a SATA HDD. Not real sure what the benefits etc. are. I will be adding another HDD down the line though..
Will the SATA make it easier to do that?

I need to look into it some more I suppose.

davejax904
10-07-2004, 20:30
i suggest you get a SATA HD, because it is defintily faster, and will definitly prove this when moving/creating/reading larger files (persay if you do video or audio editing like i do)and it gets rid of thoese pesky ribbon cables as was mentioned before which will also help with airflow in your case. and it also frees up IDE channels
which leads me to another point, if you do get a SATA HD be sure your MB supports SATA, which i believe it does, i have that mb i think.... and also take note of how many channels of SATA it is capable of, and keep that in mind when purchasing HD's. ie. if you can only have 2 channels of SATA, buy two very large HD's dont get the 120's or 140's go for the 180...200....etc

darin2
10-07-2004, 20:46
You get what you pay for. I've had 3 or 4 of these type cases in the past year. They have all had the power supplies replaced within 6 months. It's probably fine for a low end MB, but nothing else.

Originally posted by Cinic
I have this case and have been completely satisfied with it and the included PS.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=11-129-127&DEPA=0

Also, any reason you're not going with a SATA hard disk? A similar one is only $6 more and gets rid of one of those IDE cables. Or you can have the DVD drives on separate channels. If you wanted to get really experimental you could get two 80GB drives and set them up in raid 0. But then you're definately adding cost.

I also noticed that some people have recommended aftermarket heatsink and fans for that CPU. I was very pleased with the cooling and noise reduction from the HSF that I installed on my Athlon XP. However, I mainly did it because I was building a quiet machine.

Good luck w/ your build.

David_G17
10-07-2004, 21:04
some of the best cases and power supplies are made by a company called Antec.

i believe it's a french company, but still good stuff.

very popular too.

David_G17
10-07-2004, 21:06
Originally posted by jhall

I noticed everyone seems to be benchmarking their systems to Doom 3 now. I realize it wouldnt be the greatest FPS but will that video card handle it at all?

yes, i believe one of my friends plays with that exact card (i'll ask when i see him this weekend).

it should play fine. you won't be able to play on the games highest settings because there aren't cards on the market to play it with greatest detail.;g

jhall
10-07-2004, 21:30
Well, I like that case, So im going to get this (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-921&depa=0&manufactory=BROWSE) power supply for the case. The consensus seems to be for Antec, so I'll just replace the cheap PSU.

I'm also going to switch to the SATA HDD I believe. The MOBO specs show that it has 2 x Serial ATA 150 by ICH5R and 2 x Serial ATA 150 by Promise 20378. Does that mean 4 channels of SATA?

Roland-G23
10-07-2004, 21:32
I built my current system primarily from Newegg.com.

Abit Intel 875 chipset motherboard
Intel P4 3Ghz
1.5GB PC3200 DDR RAM (Corsair)
2x WD Raptor SATA drives
Plextor 8-in-1 DVD+ everything
Lian Li case
Enermax PS
Asus GeForceFX 5950 Ultra w/ 256MB RAM

Don't skimp on RAM, P/S, and stick with a well known motherboard manufacturer. I prefer Abit, Asus, and Intel boards.

IndyGunFreak
10-07-2004, 21:54
I've said before, there really is no real competition to Antec when it comes to cases. I've also used their powersupplies with good success...

I forgot about Enlight, I've used several of their cases and really like them.

http://us.enlightcorp.com/

Happy Building..

IGF

Cinic
10-08-2004, 07:37
Originally posted by darin2
You get what you pay for. I've had 3 or 4 of these type cases in the past year. They have all had the power supplies replaced within 6 months. It's probably fine for a low end MB, but nothing else.

Ouch...did you even look at the link? As noted above, Antec cases and power supplies are well regarded. That power supply is $60 when bought separately and that is hardly comparable to the $10 supplies typically included with cases. BTW, it's run my slightly OC'ed A7N8X Deluxe for nearly a year now w/o problems.

AZ-Boog
10-08-2004, 09:59
Antec makes great cases. I've got an Antec SX1030B (http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=976) case and it is without a doubt the best case I've had so far. I bought the case without the PS and installed one of my choosing.

The case is heavy duty with removable drive bays and rolled edges on the all steel construction.

It's got all the room, and then some, for extra fans and extra peripherals that you could possibly want.

great case.

Bronson7
10-08-2004, 10:36
I'd go for some higher quality memory ie Crucial, Corsair. A lot of these new boards are sensitive to cheap memory. Also, do you plan on using a floppy drive? I know it's not needed with an XP OS but they come in handy from time to time to download drivers, and to possibly run a burn-in program or for instance " Tuff Test". Happy computing. You're going to have a blast!;a
Bronson7

jhall
10-08-2004, 11:28
yeah, im going to throw in one of those 7in 1 FDD i think. That way I still have the floppy in case i need it, and i can have an internal memory stick reader instead of this usb thing sitting on the desk.

SanduneCC
10-08-2004, 15:57
Here's my humble opinion jhall:
1) P4 Northwood core
2) 875 chipset
3) 2 sticks of 512 instead of one 1G RAM to run dual channel (Crucial)
4) Antec case with PS
5) SATA drives all the way, WD or SeaGate
6) Stock HS/Fan is OK if you don't OC, otherwise ThermalRight + Panaflo

jhall
10-11-2004, 01:31
Well, Heres what I ordered so far.

The Asus mobo i mentioned above.
The p4 chip i mentioned above
WD Caviar 200Gb hdd SATA for 99 bucks i might add. cheap!!
Kingston 512 mbs of ram
a modem cause dont have cable internet
and a powermax case.

All from tigerdirect.com

659 dollars shipped.

im going to pick up the dvd burner and video card from best buy locally. they are just as cheap. and i can put it on the BB card. lol

David_G17
10-11-2004, 08:40
Originally posted by jhall
Well, Heres what I ordered so far.

The Asus mobo i mentioned above.
The p4 chip i mentioned above
WD Caviar 200Gb hdd SATA for 99 bucks i might add. cheap!!
Kingston 512 mbs of ram
a modem cause dont have cable internet
and a powermax case.

All from tigerdirect.com

659 dollars shipped.

im going to pick up the dvd burner and video card from best buy locally. they are just as cheap. and i can put it on the BB card. lol

good deal. i think you'll be pleasantly surprised.