View Full Version : draw, get 10 shots,3", 18m, 2.17 seconds.
At Armslocker forums, we've got a Fed claiming he can do this with a .45. I call him a liar. What say you? :-)
bull****.
this is the same kind of guy that told me he could hit a pack of smokes 100% of the time with a .38 cal. snubby freehand standing at 100 yards.
show me.
tact-shooter
10-09-2004, 01:07
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tact-shooter
10-09-2004, 01:09
If he had a 1 second draw that would put his splits at .10. I don't know anyone who can do that.
Originally posted by tact-shooter
If he had a 1 second draw that would put his splits at .10. I don't know anyone who can do that.
First shot = 1.0 (Could be .9) 2.17 - 1.0 = 1.17 1.17 / 9 = .13 slits. From concealment.
If not concealment that first shot could be down to .65
A zone at 7 yrds doesn't sound unbelieveable to me.
tact-shooter
10-09-2004, 12:51
Dude, I think it said 18m a little over 20 yds. Who can do a sub-one second draw at that distance? Who can do a .65 draw at 7 yds, consistently? Not just the one time they jumped the timer. This is fantasy land. If you have names give them.
The fastest timed draw to a single shot, to a 6" plate at 10m, I have ever achieved is .76 seconds. More usually I am pleased to get around 1.2-1.3 seconds, with the occasional sub 1 second, and still consistently hit the plate. I can drop five plates, from the draw, at 10m in under 3 seconds. I think this is far easier than grouping on a single target as I am moving during recoil.
Now clearly I am far from the best but I still find 10 shots in a 3" group at nearly twice the distance in 2.17 seconds hard to believe. That's a rate of fire of 276 rounds per minute!!!!!!!!
Get the guy to put it on video and post it on here. I'd be impressed!
Originally posted by tact-shooter
Dude, I think it said 18m a little over 20 yds. Who can do a sub-one second draw at that distance? Who can do a .65 draw at 7 yds, consistently? Not just the one time they jumped the timer. This is fantasy land. If you have names give them.
Well I was just saying what would sound believable to me and doing the math. I didnt see the word consistently anywhere.
I don't have an idea how to post the little BS flag or BS meter, otherwise I would.
Anything can happen once. I'd put $1000 on the fact he can't do it twice in a row. I'm in southern LA. If he is with a couple hours of me, I'd meet him. Tell him to bring cash.
Paul
BTW, post a link, please.
Deaf Smith
10-09-2004, 15:04
I see nothing about reaction time in gunkid's statement. Nor concealment. Nor with the type of .45, load, or holster, nor where his hands are to start.
So this is supposed to be 2.17 sec, with say a Kimber Gold match from a IPSC speed rig using 185gr waddcutter loads, and just above the gun butt, no reaction time. Don't know about 3 inch groups, but then there are master class shots that can do amazing things.
Think about it.
Deaf
Sam Spade
10-09-2004, 16:23
Originally posted by tact-shooter
Dude, I think it said 18m a little over 20 yds. Who can do a sub-one second draw at that distance? Who can do a .65 draw at 7 yds, consistently? Not just the one time they jumped the timer. This is fantasy land. If you have names give them.
I can.
Why in the world do you think that distance has anything to do with presentation time?
Now if you mean "time to first shot", say so. But equating presentation with shot suggests that every time you draw, you shoot. I freely admit that I don't travel in those circles.
tact-shooter
10-09-2004, 18:11
In competition your "draw time" always means from when the buzzer goes off til first shot, period. It can't be measured any other way. Yes it does take longer to draw and fire the first at 20 yds then it does at 7 yds. If you don't know that then you haven't done much shooting. I'm bases these opinions on what people like Rob Leatham, Dave Sevigny, Todd Jarrett and other top shooters can do consistently. Not what I saw in a movie once.
Anyone that can do a sub one second draw at 7 meters can do the same thing at 25 or 50 meters.
Whether they hit or not is a different matter.
Originally posted by MarkP
Anyone that can do a sub one second draw at 7 meters can do the same thing at 25 or 50 meters.
Whether they hit or not is a different matter.
I'm much faster if I don't have to hit anything. :)
Originally posted by talon
I'm much faster if I don't have to hit anything. :)
And if you "don't have to hit anything" , then you don't have to draw.
;f
gemeinschaft
10-09-2004, 21:22
I have a hard time believing this too.
Unless his name is Jerry Miculek, Matt Burkett, etc...
I would like to know what rig he is shooting out of, what gun and what load.
Originally posted by MarkP
And if you "don't have to hit anything" , then you don't have to draw.
;f
Actually I must, I am addicted to dry fire practice. I MUST draw daily. :)
mattburkett
10-10-2004, 20:00
gemeinschaft, Thanks for the compliment!
Ummm, as far as the subject goes, Bull*****. Probably just some 12 year old with an internet connection! Probably smoking something and then playing too much of Doom the video game and trying to tweak someones shorts. Looks like he is doing a good job at it!
My first question is what feds practice at 18 METERS?
I could get close to or do it if I had everything set up right and it went well - probably want at least a month of practice. BTW that would be with a racegun and rig though. My goal is 2 second bill drills at 25 yards. Most of the time I run about 2.3-2.5 seconds.
Sounds like the .30 draw BS we had on the other thread. I got cash ready for this one too! I would love to see it!
Hands at sides, audible start, 3" 6 shot group at 18 meters.
gendarms2000
10-10-2004, 20:39
. ;) Just realized who started this thread.
Jim,
Forgive my cultural stupidity, I guess I spent too many years in the sun of Israel to get it "I like pie".
Yoni
Undertaker-17
10-11-2004, 04:39
Originally posted by yoni
Jim,
Forgive my cultural stupidity, I guess I spent too many years in the sun of Israel to get it "I like pie".
Yoni
He also likes Viennese Schnitzel with Potato-salad...
and thatīs much more interesting, as "Sweatys" posts.;e
I like assault wheelbarrows.:)
yoni,
The guy who started this thread is a convicted felon and sociopathic liar. Anything he says is total crap and I don't want folks who are "new" here to get caught up in a thread thinking it might be legitimate. He is REALLY insane.
I like pie :-)
And here I thought he was just full of BS.
yoni
valkyrie182
10-11-2004, 09:54
Speaking of pie, man, one time I knew this former british commando that spent some time in 'nam and a few years in a siberian prison camp, this one time he was extracting some nuns from a mosque in downtown Tryrkmenistan, and he shot a pie like twelve times in two seconds with a .22 magnum derringer, becuase everyone knows the .22 performs awesomer than any .45 against multiple pie targets, all the way up to lemon merangue. Frickin' sweet, dude.
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