Taking a hostage...in self defense?

[emt1581]

In an armed robbery or multiple BG situation, if the BG/main BG has his/her back to you and momentarily you can get the drop on him/her, but you aren't certain they are alone...

Would it be a good idea to use him/her as a human shield and bait (gun to back/side of head) as long as your not missing anyone who may be behind you?

I realize this is probably not the smartest idea along with being very dangerous, but curiousity is getting the best of me ;a

-Emt1581

[coastalcop]

That would be idiocy,

[PropheticZero]

I'd be thinking along these lines.....

If..

I'm assuming he's willing to kill me over money, and thats why I'm choosing to defend myself.

Then if I was to try to hold one potential murderer for money hostage to use as a human shield against another guy who'd kill over money.

It would be illogical, IMO, to assume his accomplish wouldn't shoot his buddy to avoid JAIL.

[K. Foster]

What coastal said. I recommend you read some books by people like Gabe Suarez, Jim Cirillo or Louis Awerbuck.

[emt1581]

Some good points. Thanks for the replies.

-Emt1581

[clubsoda22]

There is no honor among theives. If it means staying out of prison, i agree that the BG would probably shoot his accomplace.

Using them as a human sheild isn't always wrong, however, I'm not talking hollywood style arm around neck gun pressed to temple. If there are clearly multiple hostiles, you should flank so you only have to engage one at a time if at all possible. Instead of calling it a human shield, lets call it biological cover.

let me draw it out--X's are BG's O's are you. Ignore the periods, they're just for spacing.

X...X...X

....O

All three attackers have clear line of sight on you

O...X...X...X

Only one attacker has a clear line of sight on you, the other two have their sight obscured by their fellow BG's. If you start off in the first position, you should be moving towards the second position while engaging, that is, unless you happen to be standing next to something that would provide good cover to retreat, but, we're assuming an open area in this case. For instance, being confronted on a sidewalk when 3 attackers rounded the corner infront of you

[emt1581]

That's a good point about the postitioning of the BG's. On another note, it would be interesting to see if three double tap's could nail three BG's lined up if they were all head shots. In other words, you shoot the first one in the head two times, they drop, then the second, then the third. Like ducks in a row.

As far as choke holding a BG to use as a human shield, that probably should be left to Hollywood come to think of it. I've had training with multiple attackers in fist/knife scenerios, but I imagine trying anything that complex where guns are involved would get lethal on my end real quick.

-Emt1581

[clubsoda22]

while you're doing double tap on guy one, guy 2 and 3 are unloading into you. Be moving to an advantageous position and engaging targets with high volumes of fire to cover your movement. This is where high capacity magazines come in handy. A failure to stop drill is good and all with a single attacker, but engaging multiples, you just want to put a lot of bullets on target very fast because you have to keep moving or your dead. While you're lining up for that headshot, you're also getting shot at.

[Jake-Gallows]

Originally posted by clubsoda22
while you're doing double tap on guy one, guy 2 and 3 are unloading into you. Be moving to an advantageous position and engaging targets with high volumes of fire to cover your movement. This is where high capacity magazines come in handy. A failure to stop drill is good and all with a single attacker, but engaging multiples, you just want to put a lot of bullets on target very fast because you have to keep moving or your dead. While you're lining up for that headshot, you're also getting shot at.


So...you are saying that in a bank robbery...where there will probably be other people running around screaming in fear...you should "lay down high volumes of fire to cover your movement"?

And in the process of "laying down high volumes of fire" while moving, are you putting your shots on target, or just spraying them all over the place...john woo style?

I don't think that would be a very good idea at all. When you have to shoot, you are held accountable for each and every shot you take...and in a bank, with other innocents around...last thing you want to do is have a movie style shootout!

You should practice, practice, practice, practice..and when you do that...practice some more. Practice multiple targets, starting with single, well placed shots to each....then as you get better, your speed will get better....then move to multiple well placed shots to each, as you can do so...then practice the same thing while moving to cover...but take COM shots, as head shots are too hard to try for in real situations!

[clubsoda22]

Originally posted by Jake-Gallows
So...you are saying that in a bank robbery...where there will probably be other people running around screaming in fear...you should "lay down high volumes of fire to cover your movement"?

And in the process of "laying down high volumes of fire" while moving, are you putting your shots on target, or just spraying them all over the place...john woo style?

I don't think that would be a very good idea at all. When you have to shoot, you are held accountable for each and every shot you take...and in a bank, with other innocents around...last thing you want to do is have a movie style shootout!

You should practice, practice, practice, practice..and when you do that...practice some more. Practice multiple targets, starting with single, well placed shots to each....then as you get better, your speed will get better....then move to multiple well placed shots to each, as you can do so...then practice the same thing while moving to cover...but take COM shots, as head shots are too hard to try for in real situations!

read into what i said. you should put a lot of rounds on target. ON TARGET. Don't just waste ammo. If you have to move, be shooting at your opponents. Shoot as quickly as you can hit. If that's not very fast, so be it. But firing at the targets while moving is an essential skill.