View Full Version : P7M8 vs P7M13
thejackbull45
10-17-2004, 09:55
Whats the difference other than capacity? What is a good price NIB?
FLIPPER 348
10-17-2004, 12:45
The 13 has a big fat grip as opposed to the M8's perfect slim fit. I've owned both and the huge grip of the 13 takes away the 'zen' of the P7 (for me anyways). Shoot them both before buying!
Upside for M13, faster reload's and more rounds. I don't own firearms for their 'zen' factor so that is not a consideration for me. The last NIB M13 I purchased a year ago $1100.00 with 2 mags. NIB M8 a couple years ago $850 2 mags. Add 30%+ todays prices.
Some of us "Cult Members" like the full figured Gal.
But basicly the M13 is a tad wider in the grip when you look at the numbers on paper. But the M8 does feel alot smaller than the M13.
GA has M13 (1295 - 2500) I would say 1300.
GA has M8 (1059 - 1372) - So I would guess approx 1000
Best of luck:cool:
Really, the only dif between the M8 and the M13 is capacity and grip width. In fact, holsters designed for one, will fit the other.
The PSP, OTOH, has a heel mag release, a shorter trigger guard, no heat shield, and a slightly diferent firing pin bushing.
Lost of people prefer the thinner grips on the M8 or the PSP, and choose one of those for their CCW piece. There are plenty of people who carry the M13 daily. I own both a 13 and an 8, but carry the M8 since it is lighter and therefore more comfortable for me.
The P7 series has a rather short slide, and a heavy butt, so choosing a good holster is important. Lots of people like the Sparks Versa Max 2 (I currently use one) and the Alessi CQC-S. However, if you are into the P7, you are likely into the best of everything, and teh best holster out ther come from Matt DelFatti. Afterall, if you buy a Ferrari, you wouldn't put cheap tires on it, would you?;)
The P7 was designed in its compact PSP version.
As more law enforcement agencies started asking for more rounds, the M13 was developed.
More expensive
More rounds
But what really is an obstacle, it's a brick and very thick in the grip.
So a lot of P7 lovers end up trading them away.
Love my PSP!
Eddie C.
10-28-2004, 19:57
I have owned about 5 or 6 P7M13's over the years. There is just something about that gun that makes it desirable. Every time I sell the one I have, I end up spending more for another. This time I'm keeping the one I got. I bought it brand new in the box with all the paperwork for $1400.00. I sent it out to Tripps Research and had it hard chromed, added some night sights, and a pair of Nill grips.
B-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l!;f
Reheater
11-07-2004, 00:52
Shot a P7 two days ago... that will be the next major purchase. All I can say is wow.
I've never even seen a P7 before, so please excuse my ignorance. But why would you pay so much for a compact 9mm when there are so many cheaper, and I dare say just as reliable, other makes out there? What makes the Hk so special? I'm asking from truly interested point of view so please don't think I'm bashing?
Reheater
11-07-2004, 11:43
Dont know about everybody else but heres my reasons for going H&K P7M8 instead of some of the other competitors.
http://www.triebel.de/bilder/hk_p7M8-p7M13.jpg
1. Highly concealable: Im a 150 lbs light framed guy, so thats a big issue on just how big a pistol I can carry, most recently my carry gun has been a S&W J-frame, but this offers me the reload speed of an automatic in a weapon nor really noticably larger then my J-frame.
2. Incredibly controlable: Ive shot Kahr, and they are brilliant guns, but that long forceful trigger pull does nothing to help the accuracy in a high stress situation like being assulted with a deadly weapon. With the squeeze cocker and many owners will tell you this, the faster you shoot it the better it actually works. It also lacks the hammer of some of the smaller carry pistols which is one less thing to get snaged when you need to get it out fast.
3. Compatability: Im a lefty, so thats a big issue when I buy a firearm. Ive got a USP because they are ambidextrous. I stay away from SIG's because I can reload faster by handing it off to my right hand then trying to mess my left. Same is true here, H&K made a totally ambidextrous gun. There are only 2 controls to worry about on the whole pistol and they are both within reach of either hand.
4. Dependability: H&K is deffinately out in front on this one when compaired to alot of other manufacturers. Not to say that all other guns will fail when compaired in durability and resiliance, but the quality control is just better. When I buy a firearm I want the best, because I know in a situation when I really really need it, that two hundred or five hundred dollar differnce wont mean as much to me then.
FLIPPER 348
11-08-2004, 01:12
Originally posted by Brasso
I But why would you pay so much for a compact 9mm when there are so many cheaper, and I dare say just as reliable, other makes out there?
mostly the fixed long barrel..............but once you shoot one you will understand
Eddie C., please post a picture of your P7M13. I'm thinking of sending my P7M8 to Tripp Research.
The P7M13 is also heavier. That is a big consideration for some people, myself included. The M13 still has polygonal rifling. The P7M10 has standard rifling grooves.
I'd love to own one of each, but that's not likely.;Q
This is a picture of my three single stacks. I should have included my Kel-Tec P32 and made it a four single stack picture. I like different things about each one. However, the P7M8 is one of my favorite pistols of all time! :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/AR-50_Fan/Guns/Pistols/2004_1105Image0006-2.jpg
Brasso
I've never even seen a P7 before, so please excuse my ignorance. But why would you pay so much for a compact 9mm when there are so many cheaper, and I dare say just as reliable, other makes out there?
Reheater makes many good points. I like the fact that you don't see one in every range bag. The gun is a natural pointer and very easy to shoot.
Take it apart and it's an amazing piece of engineering. :cool: :cool:
Eddie C.
11-08-2004, 20:36
Hiya Rob, I don't have my camera at the moment. My brother took it last summer and hasn't given it back to me yet. Some people like the single stack H&K's. I do also, but the M13 fits my big hands easily. I have many single stack pistols, including my Sig P220 and P239, my 1911's (6 of them), Seecamp, Walther P5c, Walther PPK/S, and a few others I'm sure I'm forgetting at the moment.;)
GlockShmock
11-08-2004, 22:55
Ever look at a really expensive, well made watch and think, "my timex keeps just as good time" but you buy the well made watch anyway because it feels so damn good just winding it? It's just like that only the P7 can kill and the watch can't. Of course, you can kill time with your new watch, but it's not the same thing.
Originally posted by Brasso
I've never even seen a P7 before, so please excuse my ignorance. But why would you pay so much for a compact 9mm when there are so many cheaper, and I dare say just as reliable, other makes out there? What makes the Hk so special? I'm asking from truly interested point of view so please don't think I'm bashing?
Why do people buy Ferrari when a Corvette is cheaper? ;)
The P7 is elegant and a dream come true to a pure minimalist. Most reliable of the elegant diminuative pistols. elegant and SEXY as hell in Hard Chrome!:cool:
GlockShmock
11-09-2004, 19:20
Originally posted by CZ-75
elegant and SEXY as hell in Hard Chrome!:cool:
Mr. CZ, you use the word sexy quite often when referring to firearms...shall we explore this? May I call you Hanns?
http://www.4faculty.org/includes/digdeeper/images/lesson10.gif
GlockShmock
11-11-2004, 12:37
And they make some SEXY leather for it too...;)
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/album/00000364/delfattis0001.JPG
May I call you Franz? ;n
With that kind of leather, surely you're no Newbie to the P7...;)
Originally posted by Brasso
I've never even seen a P7 before, so please excuse my ignorance. But why would you pay so much for a compact 9mm when there are so many cheaper, and I dare say just as reliable, other makes out there? What makes the Hk so special? I'm asking from truly interested point of view so please don't think I'm bashing?
It can be drawn, cocked, and fired accurately faster than any mainstream pistol available...according to H&K's website and my own personal experience.
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