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horge
10-22-2004, 07:49
Range Report and Evaluation

I decided on an Armscor Practical Series fullsize 1911 in .45 ACP, after failing to obtain a GI model: Squires Bingham had acted in very bad faith, utterly wasting over two months of my time, and so I sourced my unit instead from Starfire in Pasig, which provided the Practical Series unit for pickup in just a bit over 6 weeks, including a 1 week computer meltdown at FED.

The Armscor Practical comes in a hard black plastic case with eggcrate-foam padding.
http://mabma.thereeftank.com/postpics/armscornib.jpg
Bundled with the pistol were two 8-round magazines, an instruction manual with line drawings, and an AFAD gun-safety pamphlet. 1 year warranty form. No bushing wrench provided (or needed). Starfire threw in a 10-pack of XTP's on discount, with the admonition to break the pistol in with FMJ only.

The pistol sports a skeletonized 'combat' hammer, skeleton trigger, upswept beavertail, ambidextrous extended thumb safety, and Novak-style no-snag rear sights. Both rear and front sights are dovetailed into the slide. The duotone configuration involves a blued slide with broad rear and forward traction grooves (aka serrations), blued safeties and a 'stainless steel' frame.

On first inspection, I was disappointed with the unit. The inspection card indicated fitting and testing a month ago at Armscor in Marikina, suggesting a very new pistol. Unfortunately, it seems the parts used in assembling this pistol were a mix of old surplus and rejects. Many of the non-stainless internals were coated with veneer of fine rust, particularly the trigger 'stirrup'. The recoil spring guide rod was stripped of blueing. Most of the fine rust came off with oiled rag wipes. It was not some orange grease or preservative. It was rust. Cycling revealed some grittiness, and a rather creaky recoil spring.

The stainless frame --apparently the only part bearing a serial number by the way, is a dull grey-white finish. Even this 'stainless' steel frame had a spot of rust, right under the manual safety detent ball, concealed by the grip panel. The slide stop itself had corrosion breaking out through the blueing. The frame's ramp, was not polished --being the same dull finish as the rest of the frame. I am actually unsure if it is indeed of a stainless steel, or merely ordinary steel plated with a dull chromium alloy. The chromed barrel interior had tiny pits on both the lands and grooves.

The logo on the slide was actually crooked, and wearing off. This affair seemed to be a baked-on logo and may be too easy to remove. Note the legs of the M in Armscor. Check the slidestop for corrosion:
http://mabma.thereeftank.com/postpics/armscorlogo.jpg

I felt the plastic grip panels had too many sharp edges, and frankly, the 'black' of it all appealed little to me. We went off and bought ourselves some local grips, made of ebonywood ('kamagong'), priced anywhere from 150 to 250 pesos (3 to 5 US dollars) each:
http://mabma.thereeftank.com/postpics/armscorgrips.jpg

It was hard to find 1911 grips that don't have these pimpin'-funky 'gold' medallions set into them. All the grips we got were also for the GI configuration, and had to be relieved a bit for the ambi safety. Anyway... here's how the piece looked with wooden grips, and I think it's an improvement.
http://mabma.thereeftank.com/postpics/armscornewgrips.jpg

Stripped and cleaned, lubed and checked, with better-looking grips on... it was off to the range, with a box of Armscor FMJ. The first five magazines were a bonanza of break-in failures, mostly FTF: maybe that ramp was just too nasty at the start, and maybe the mags were themselves stiff... but hey, that's what breaking-in supposedly involves. The trigger could've used some work --but then maybe that was just the fine rust on the trigger 'stirrup', beginning to come loose... hehe. I disliked the ambi safety --it seemed excessive: those long levers seem to actually get in the way of things. However, they were a feature of the model, and I had signed up for them.

The pistol shot low, and I learned to cover the target with the front sight. By the ninth magazine, things started settling down, and I ran some quick freehand Mozambiques on a fresh target board at 10 meters
http://mabma.thereeftank.com/postpics/armscorgroups.jpg
Pitted barrel or no, it can shoot.

For all its weight, the thing points naturally for me.

I think with more breaking in, it can be a servicable weapon.
It is for me, however, too heavy for quick, real-world defensive transitioning, at least for my small frame. The natural ROF, as dictated by recoil and my muscles, is also sluggish. My wife won't use it: too big and heavy. Thus, our diminutive Bersa Thunder 380 still has pride of place in our defensive lineup.

I'm going to have that ramp polished, and the trigger tweaked.
It couldn't hurt to get a new extractor, and that rusted slidestop needs to go. Waitaminnit --see? For all my complaints, I want to work on the thing. There IS something to this pistol....

It's quite possible Armscor sends proper product overseas, leaving Filipinos with crap.
It's shootable crap, and for all my whining, I did enjoy blasting away with it towards the end of my session. 'Potential' is the sizable silver lining to this cloud, and really: tweaking/customizing a 1911 is half the fun of owning one, right?

I just keep wondering how great this pistol would have been
if it hadn't seemed to be so-obviously assembled from junk.
I would hope the export units (Armscor and RIA) are better made, and furthermore hope that one day, the local Filipino consumer of firearm products is shown some respect and care.



hth
:)
horge

PMMA97
10-22-2004, 08:20
Thanks Horge! :) How much was the unit all in?

Alexii
10-22-2004, 08:27
Would you still have bought the pistol had you seen it like this beforehand? ;)

Well, personally, if you can manage to overcome the initial glitches of FTFs by breaking in, I think it's an okay value for a 1911. It is, after all just a tool. Another route, though more costly and predictably more frustrating would be going the "semi-custom" route. Just purchase the main components (receiver, slide, and barrel) and purchase the parts of your choice individually.

9MX
10-22-2004, 10:05
horge,

^6 i too feel the urge for a 1911...and then i saw dogman's rifle;3

if in the future, i'd go for an armscor hicap, i won't mind the f...ked up aesthetics and rusted parts since its next stop would be to a gunsmith like col. bayang for some reliability work and parts replacement. just like mc_o's. but....i won't be mcolikot;f

i guess that's part of the joy and satisfaction of owning a 1911, its like a race car;z

horge
10-22-2004, 17:14
Hi.
For all my complaints, I guess I have a relatively-inexpensive pistol that works. From a little distance, it looks good too. What ticks me off is that I SAW an Armscor on display in Sugarland (Houston) TX in 2002, this same Practical Duo Tone FS, and it was so much prettier, great finish, smooth cycling, with wood grips. Compared to that, this felt assembled from reject parts.

PMMA97,
The unit in duo tone cost P20,000, while
license fees, requirements and expedition was another P5,500...
:)


I guess my complaints are mostly aesthetic...but 25K is not a trivial amount of money. Whole families can be fed for several weeks on that much.

It's not wrong to expect good quality in what I pay for, and while it is functional, 'quality' is not a word that comes to mind when I consider this thing. It's also not wrong to expect fair treatment, compared to the treatment given foreigners, and from a Filipino company at that. Compared to the export units I've seen, this thing was a disappointment.
:)

Eye Cutter
10-22-2004, 19:40
hi horge! congratulations on getting your first 1911. The Armscor 1911 is a fairly decent base for a custom 1911. Remember, I used the Imperial Defence Ranger from PBD as base myself for the 1911 STI Ranger Clone. And imho, it is worse compared to the armscor.

The factory mecgar SS mags are excellent. If you look at Novak's website, it sells 1911 mags made by mecgar. They just have the logo engraved on the mag body. If you plan to put a magwell, the plastic basepads of the mecgars need to be shaved to fit.

Your frame is not stainless but is hard chromed. Armscor blued slides are dull but you can polish it up some. The classic 2-tone look is elegant but I personally lean towards an all black pistol. Anyway, refinishing isn't that expensive. PBD can have it blackchromed for you.

Tuning the trigger is the logical first step to smithing work and it is fairly easy to adjust yourself if the sear and hammer hooks were fitted correctly. Anyone of the PBD smiths can do it for you. Change the trigger. Armscor triggers are crap. the bows are unequal in thickness and length and they tend to twist. Replace with a quality aftermarket trigger like an sti, ed brown or videki.

Where'd you get the wood grips? Looks excellent on the pistol!

malmon
10-22-2004, 19:51
Hi Horge,

The CD 2 tone I bought 2 years ago started out pretty much like yours. It just takes a little TLC and a lot of patience. :)

BTW, where'd you get the grips?

horge
10-22-2004, 20:00
Hi EC!
You know, this 1911 purchase is all your fault, actually --your STI Ranger clone thread got me all hot and bothered for it...
;f

Thanks for the info, malmon!
I got the grips from the security-guard supply shops near Camp Crame along EDSA and along Boni Avenue here in Metro Manila; this place where the cheapest steel handcuffs used to be PhP75 apiece, but now are up to PhP220...hehe. Parking's a real challenge though, it's hot/dusty in the afternoons, and you really have to sort through all the merchandise to find undamaged goods. Cheap holsters belts and magcarriers too. There are wooden grips for revolvers, 1911's, Beretta M9's, and Llama's.



horge

mikol
10-23-2004, 03:59
hi horge congrats for your new 1911 purchase!;z hope to see more range reports and good reviews also maybe afetr 2-3 months.

just got a wild imagination about some rusty small parts installed in your firearm. is it not possible that while on the "FED warehouse" new small parts are being replace with old since small parts don't have the serial # identical to those on the frame? just a wild theory roaming around my head.;Q

or maybe it really comes from the factory itself. since we are not able to inspect the "exact unit" prior of sending them to the FED for their corresponding inspection & license issuance.

nevertheless your firearm is a good shooter out of the box.(base on the picture you had posted)but i think it's not about the "pana" but it's more to the "indian" that the credits should go to.;)

Alexii
10-23-2004, 05:33
Originally posted by mikol
just got a wild imagination about some rusty small parts installed in your firearm. is it not possible that while on the "FED warehouse" new small parts are being replace with old since small parts don't have the serial # identical to those on the frame? just a wild theory roaming around my head.;Q

And that wild theory of yours just became mine. Bummer.

Not at all far-fetched. If their generals can purloin millions of pesos, then a few brand-new firearm parts swapped from warehoused pistols would be almost be legal within its walls. What are the chances that this have been done in the past? Or the chances of it being done at present?

mikol
10-23-2004, 06:01
Originally posted by Alexii
And that wild theory of yours just became mine. Bummer.

Not at all far-fetched. If their generals can purloin millions of pesos, then a few brand-new firearm parts swapped from warehoused pistols would be almost be legal within its walls. What are the chances that this have been done in the past? Or the chances of it being done at present?

well... i am not trying to corrupt the minds of the BoG's out there.;) i was just merely trying to make or establish a situation in order to come up with some answers to some questions running inside my not so genius mind.

after all we can still bring the unit to the store after we got it and show them the bad parts. maybe with any luck, they will change those parts and give it to you over the counter without any cost. (if they are the ones putting this things;Q );g

Eye Cutter
10-23-2004, 08:56
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/aagustin11563/psn00022.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/aagustin11563/psn00021.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/aagustin11563/100_1219.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/aagustin11563/100_1225.jpg

turned out to be a beauty, didn't it? ;f

New_comer
10-23-2004, 09:38
Thanks for sharing your review, horge :cool:

I'm seriously considering getting an Armscor myself, a 9mm this time as base for a future open gun. I could use your observations to determine if I shall have been 'conned' to owning a 'frankengun' of mismatched/ill-fitted parts. Thanks again ;)

mikol
10-24-2004, 04:10
hi horge,

i also notice onething in your firearm. why is it that the slide stop installed in your firearm is the "military type" when infact the full size practical series should have the "extended slide stop" as it's standard. the "military slide stop" as i know is the standard feature of the commander size practical series.

or maybe you specefied to the gunstore that you want it that way rather than the extended slide stop. but nevertheless that's just the thing i notice which is not on their standard feature. see below the specs of armscor as per their website;

**M1911-A1-45 FS2T**
" Cal. 45 ACP, full size, 8+1 capacity, extended slide stop, extended ambidextrous safety, double slide serration, extra power (3XP) firing pin spring, 2-tone ( stainless frame, blued slide )"

just my 2 cents bro! ;)

Valor1
10-24-2004, 06:40
At last! You got the unit home. Congrats! Better stock up on springs (ISMI is great) and get a new extractor (Ed Browns work well). great shooting too.

mc_oliver
10-24-2004, 08:14
Congrats on the purchase, dre. One of these days magkaka-single stack din ako uli. As a matter of fact, I still have my old kydex rig for it. ;f

Anyway, with FTF's here's what you can do if you're up to it.

1. Polishing the ramp and inside the chamber is a good start.

2. Hit the edges of the chamber with 400 grit sand paper. Do it lightly, you'll only need to smoothen the sharp edge so it won't shave brass.

3. Hit the disconector rail with the the same light sand paper treatment just to smoothen it. Carefully break the sharp edge nung disconnector and breech face junction (the one that makes initial contact with the disconnector head on return battery.)

4. Polish the inside of the mags lip. That way it ammo being chambered will not drag.

More info here. (http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/fluffandbuff.htm)

Good luck. ;)

horge
10-24-2004, 17:20
mc_o,
I fluffed and buffed it both prior to and after the session, but I was afraid to use sandpaper: I might take away too much metal.
So, I used superfine steel wool --this stuff feels more like cloth fiber, though less fine than cotton. It breaks up through use though, and the stray fibers were a problem until I whipped out a magnet to pick them all up. (best to do this on a dry, oil-free pistol, hehe)The pistol chambers even sharp-angled JHP real easy now.


mikol,
While the theft/swap scenario at the FED warehouse is all too imaginable... in this case I am inclined to suspect that this is all Armscor's/Squires' lack of diligence. I suspect that Armscor is scrabbling for parts because all the good stuff goes overseas. Maskipaps na lang ang local units.

Sa Squires pa lang, e....
I ordered an Armscor GI last GunShow in July, I'd even asked that day for solid confirmation that the unit existed, already assembled, and waiting for me --and I was given the SN. I gave my downpayment and should have gotten the unit in "two-weeks-only" from Squires Bingham.
So I waited, calling them up weekly for updates.

Several weeks of excuses later ("...baka next week na, sir. Be patient..."),
Squires changed tack and told me that my downpayment was insufficient,
and so my order had not yet even begun processing!!

Despite all I had been told over the phone, "nasa testing na" daw, "nasa Chief na", "Release na lang" etc...
puņeta naman oo.


Heto pa...
They quickly added: If I liked, I could place a new order
and get my pistol in just "two-weeks-only", all over again.
~1


I'd had enough of Armscor at that point.
I thought I'd buy the Imperial Defence Services Ranger 1911A1 (from Sheffield England, but made in Vietnam) like the one that EyeCutter customized, but I wanted the parked version with military rollmarks --the ones at PBD had giant commercial marks. I remembered seeing theparked/mil ones sold at one booth only nung GunShow... Starfire. I went to them and they advised me tha quality-wise (haha) Armscor na la'ang... Tukayo ko pala yung kausap ko, ayan tuloy... I wound up getting a Practical from them.

Anong Division nga ba puede ang ganitong 1911 sa IPSC?
;)

Eye Cutter
10-24-2004, 18:30
horge: sa Standard Division, Single Stack Category. Go get them partner!

bonus lang if you get the unit from PBD, lifetime free servicing from the other pbd smiths!

New_comer
10-24-2004, 18:39
bonus lang if you get the unit from PBD, lifetime free servicing from the other pbd smiths!
is this true? E di dapat sa PBD na lang ako kukuha ng Armscor 9mm hicap pag nagkataon. Malaki matitipid sa mga pa-tweaking lang... ;)

Pero mukhang wala silang Armscor, o baka pwede namang gawan nila ng paraan. Para bang sa auto supply, kahit anong pyesa meron, kukuha nga lang sa mga katabi, basta't wag ka lang aalis.

Yan ang ideal customer management, imho... :cool:

Eye Cutter
10-24-2004, 22:56
di ba meron kang peter stahl? yung barrel mo ba ramped or unramped? if it's ramped. all you need is an upper assembly plus magazines and you're good to go!

Alexii
10-25-2004, 00:38
Doc EC-- what modifications are allowed in the single stack category of IPSC? How many mags are needed? Can one use a concealment rig?

Thanks.

mikol
10-25-2004, 01:41
Maskipaps na lang ang local units.

hi horge. maskipapspano nalang basta ma completo ;z ;a ;f
as they say bro...it's not the arrow & the bow but the indian using it that matters.

just a few kalikut there and that then presto..!! your name is already in the top 10 in standard division one of this days. ;f :cool: just keep shooting your new baby and don't forget to give us more updates ok?

tsaka yung little brother nyan 'wag mo rin pabayan kasi baka pag-nagtampo yun baka di na puputok.;)

mc_oliver
10-25-2004, 02:20
Originally posted by Alexii
Doc EC-- what modifications are allowed in the single stack category of IPSC? How many mags are needed? Can one use a concealment rig?

Thanks.
Lahat pede mo gawin basta:
1. No barrel comp and optics. So slide "swiss-cheese" lightening pwede.
2. Fits the IPSC box. Only 8-rounders max. 10-rounders are already too long.

A typical IPSC long course has a max of 32 rounds. 5 8-rounders are sufficient if you're an accurate shooter, one on one for steel. But you'd probably be safer running 6 or more mags hanggang kaya abutin ng weak hand mo.

I started out with the cordura(?) IWB holster and pouches (with the flap covers cut) binili ko sa crame. Ang hirap! Dehado na sa capacity, lalo ko pa'ng pinahihrapan sarili ko. Not to mention the holster getting drawn with the gun. Graduated to using kydex. That's because I could not find any performance gain compared to my CR speed glock rig (tapos IDPA legal pa so I only need one type of rig).

The current trend sa matches ngayon eh wala ng draw and fire on an open target. Majority mey galaw muna bago engagement. So any safe and comfy holster and mag pouches will work.

;)

Valor1
10-25-2004, 02:39
Mga Sir,
Ok ba bull barrels sa IPSC single stack category? Thanks.

mc_oliver
10-25-2004, 03:04
Originally posted by Valor1
Mga Sir,
Ok ba bull barrels sa IPSC single stack category? Thanks.
Yep pwede. But if IDPA comes back, it'll make your gun illegal unless the barrel length is 4" (or something? Can't remember exactly. ;f) Or you can fit 2 barrels. ;)

Valor1
10-25-2004, 03:11
As always thanks for the help McOliver. Sarap lang kasing iputok ang mga bull barreled pistols.

Alexii
10-25-2004, 05:17
Thanks Oliver! Reasonable naman pala rules ng IPSC. I like the idea of using holsters one is comfortable using. Bonus pa pede sa IDPA if ever.

Eye Cutter
10-25-2004, 05:39
alexii: 6 magazines are enough (42rds + 1 in the chamber). the more the merrier! you don't want na maubusan ka during a CoF.

You can use your carry rig. Ito ang uso ngayon sa ipsc! Just use a straight drop holster. Avoid the holsters with the FBI cant. Pag-bunot mo kasi, baka nakaturo sa RO at uprange, DQ ka!

Valor: when idpa was around, andami gumagamit ng competition pistols nila! Armscor didn't impose the bushing barrel only in CDP!

Alexii
10-25-2004, 05:51
Thanks Doc! ;)

Valor1
10-25-2004, 07:05
Eyecutter,
Okey pa lang IDPA matches dito dahil allowed yan. Sa States kasi hindi allowed, kinakantyawan tuloy na kasi wala daw pistols na bull barreled si Bill Wilson. Maaalis ba iyon e sila nag-umpisa ni Ken Hackathorn.

Eye Cutter
10-25-2004, 07:35
dito sa pinas, madaming ipsc competitors ang gamit for comp and carry e 1 pistol lang. pag di mo pinayagan mga regular ipsc shooters sumali with their competition/carry pistols, sayang yung reg fees na mawawala.

New_comer
10-25-2004, 10:03
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
di ba meron kang peter stahl? yung barrel mo ba ramped or unramped? if it's ramped. all you need is an upper assembly plus magazines and you're good to go! Hi, doc!

Hinde,eh. Unramped na polygonal barrel yung installed sa kanya. Kung kakatay pa ng material mula sa frame baka masira pa yung baril, ok pa naman pumutok.

Pero napag-uusapan na rin lang, what if I have it converted to ramped barrel style, madali na bang maging multi-caliber na sya kaagad? ^8

Eye Cutter
10-25-2004, 16:55
if you have the frame milled, it's a lot easier to change calibers. salpak ka na lang ng upper assembly and quick change ng ejectors. the 9/38/40 uses the same ejector.

all you have to decide is if you want a Clark/Para (round) or Nowlin/Wilson cut (square) barrel lug. that could be a viable way to go with the open gun project. you get to save on another pistol purchase.

New_comer
10-25-2004, 17:41
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
if you have the frame milled, it's a lot easier to change calibers. salpak ka na lang ng upper assembly and quick change ng ejectors. the 9/38/40 uses the same ejector.

all you have to decide is if you want a Clark/Para (round) or Nowlin/Wilson cut (square) barrel lug. that could be a viable way to go with the open gun project. you get to save on another pistol purchase. Great tips, doc! It seems this is the better way to go to save on costs.

What I need to do pala is to find a trustworthy gunsmith, and buy the necessary parts during the gunshow (funds permitting, of course ;))

My grocery list pala are:
[list=1]
Slide - siguro mga 5-10K
Barrel - magkano kaya yung round ramped? 5-8K?
ejector - ???
Optics - mga 11-15K
Mount - 3-5K
Comps - 3K
Magwell - 2-3K
Mags - 4 pcs na mecgar mga 7K
pins, springs, others - 3K
Gunsmithing - ???
[/list=1]
YIKES!!;P

Kahit mumurahin na parts, aabot din ng 50K!!

E yung bagong Armscor 9mm hi-cap, 17K lang ata, me 2 mags na, di pa sasama loob ko na na-modify yung ps ko.

Me bago pa kong baril... hehehe :cool:

bulm540
10-25-2004, 17:53
Is the single stack category catching on?? I love shootign single stacks.

mikol
10-26-2004, 04:29
E yung bagong Armscor 9mm hi-cap, 17K lang ata, me 2 mags na, di pa sasama loob ko na na-modify yung ps ko.

Me bago pa kong baril... hehehe :cool:

bosing N.C. .. is it really only 17k the hi-cap 9mm and already with 2 mags? ;P wow it's cheap! i might get myself the Amscor practical series instead of the cal..45.:cool:

New_comer
10-26-2004, 04:53
Originally posted by mikol
bosing N.C. .. is it really only 17k the hi-cap 9mm and already with 2 mags? ;P wow it's cheap! i might get myself the Amscor practical series instead of the cal..45.:cool: Yan ang presyong naaalala ko nuon sa 9mm hi-cap. I may be amiss by a couple of grand pero mura pa rin, di ba? ;)

mikol
10-26-2004, 04:58
Originally posted by New_comer
Yan ang presyong naaalala ko nuon sa 9mm hi-cap. I may be amiss by a couple of grand pero mura pa rin, di ba? ;)

yeap it's really cheap bosing! kaso baka sa dec.(during my holidays dyan sa pinas) maybe the price will not be the same anymore?

bosing are you able also to inquire about it's availability in single stack and how much is the price? i am not in to comp. yet so provably i either go to single stack or hi-cap just for occassional plinking and also for home protection use narin. ;f

New_comer
10-26-2004, 05:44
Originally posted by mikol
yeap it's really cheap bosing! kaso baka sa dec.(during my holidays dyan sa pinas) maybe the price will not be the same anymore?

bosing are you able also to inquire about it's availability in single stack and how much is the price? i am not in to comp. yet so provably i either go to single stack or hi-cap just for occassional plinking and also for home protection use narin. ;f Ayon sa kanilang website, www.armscor.com.ph meron single stack na 9mm. Considering the naturally low prices that Armscors are sold (pwera yung mga Medallion, ha ;), I'm pretty sure na hindi aabot sa 16K yung 9mm blued model.

Nagmahal lang naman nung inilabas nila yung pang IPSC na 40SW (nasa 27K) at yung Medallion (36K to 56K yata). Pero yung basic models nagsimula sa 11k for milspec45 to 22K++ for the hicap 45.

mikol
10-26-2004, 06:05
thanks for the info bosing. i'll try to check nalang armscor to make sure how much is the going/ recent price for the hi-cap & single stack 9mm. pang bahay lang naman muna ang purpose ng FA na to bosing kaya ok na siguro yung 9mm.;f

gunfool
10-26-2004, 19:51
Originally posted by mikol
thanks for the info bosing. i'll try to check nalang armscor to make sure how much is the going/ recent price for the hi-cap & single stack 9mm. pang bahay lang naman muna ang purpose ng FA na to bosing kaya ok na siguro yung 9mm.;f Mag Glock ka na dre kontakin mo na si Deenoh habang sale pa.;f

mc_oliver
10-26-2004, 20:05
Originally posted by bulm540
Is the single stack category catching on?? I love shootign single stacks.
Unfortunately, no. Although there are some small side shoots composed mostly of LEO guys who setup stages on their own and compete among each other. These is where I see lots of singlestacks come out.

On the otherhand, I've heard IPSC level 2 and up matches are already recognizing Best Singlestack shooter. ;)

mikol
10-27-2004, 01:24
Originally posted by gunfool
Mag Glock ka na dre kontakin mo na si Deenoh habang sale pa.;f

di pa kaya this year bro ang glock. may iba na kasing napaglaanan yung ipon ko this year. getting me a 9'ner will just be a bunos this year. But for sure next year got a lot of budget na for FA's and i can get those other high end FA's na pang compt. na. ;f

gunfool
10-27-2004, 03:00
Originally posted by mikol
di pa kaya this year bro ang glock. may iba na kasing napaglaanan yung ipon ko this year. getting me a 9'ner will just be a bunos this year. But for sure next year got a lot of budget na for FA's and i can get those other high end FA's na pang compt. na. ;f Joke lang sir;f Ako din naman wala pa ring planong mag-compete sa ngayon maybe next year na siguro at medyo hectic pa ang sched ko sa ngayon. Anyway, good luck sa new 9'ner and stay safe.

mikol
10-27-2004, 05:23
Originally posted by gunfool
Joke lang sir;f Ako din naman wala pa ring planong mag-compete sa ngayon maybe next year na siguro at medyo hectic pa ang sched ko sa ngayon. Anyway, good luck sa new 9'ner and stay safe.


thanks bro. but honestly...since i started browsing & reading some threads posted here in BoG's & other forum's, i suddenly became very eager to try getting into competition.

sayang nga lang 'coz i was not able to see this forum earlier last year para sana napaghandaan yung pang bili ng pang ratrat na FA.

But still okay 'coz i learn alot of good things before deciding to get into this very expensive hobby. and hopefully next year i'll start shooting religiously ;f ;)

Eye Cutter
10-27-2004, 08:01
horge: any recent testing on the new pistol yet? Come on and try IPSC. The JR Speed holsters and mag pouches are available at PBD.

horge
10-27-2004, 08:28
Doc EyC,

Sayang, I was just at the PBD store yesterday, for some Bullseye ammo. I should have looked at the gear you mentioned.

As for PPSA membership... I was getting my ID photos shot this morning, for my membership application, but Edna (on the phone, at the range) advised me strongly to wait til January --sayang daw yung payment for this year, with only two months left.

An assitional considerationm: my PTT's just died on me, (heck, my PBD club membership needs renewing in a week) so any further gunning will have to wait for their renewal, which would best go with the PPSA thingy: multiclub agad. I'll (despite Edna's advice) probably sign up this November anyway, but after refreshing my PTT's. Baka next PTT renewal na lang maging multiclub for shoots.

Besides, I'm getting a little intimidated at this point, heheh --I've been training for defense my way, and there's quite a lot more to learn when it comes to racing. The lag, between PPSA membership and the multiclub PTT's that allow me to join matches, may be a blessing, training-wise.

;)

mc_oliver
10-27-2004, 17:46
Any chance to actually practice the gun with live ammo is a good thing. Add any type of competition pressure and the "training" (or probably more appropriately defined as "gun handling skills") goes up several notches. I personally believe all gun owners will benefit from a match or two.

The only downside to actually getting addicted to this sport is that ammo cost becomes a standard with which to base all your future non-gun expenditures. Like, Yang lacoste na polo shirt maganda ah. Teka ilang bala na kaya mabibili ko nyan? Or, Uy, mey level 2 next week. Saka na lang ya'ng toaster ni misis. ;f

9MX
10-27-2004, 18:09
Originally posted by mc_oliver

The only downside to actually getting addicted to this sport is that ammo cost becomes a standard with which to base all your future non-gun expenditures. Like, Yang lacoste na polo shirt maganda ah. Teka ilang bala na kaya mabibili ko nyan? Or, Uy, mey level 2 next week. Saka na lang ya'ng toaster ni misis. ;f

;N hahahaha! pareho pala tayo ng line of thinking;z

agentrod
10-27-2004, 18:50
I agree with the notion that ALL would benefit from joining a match or two. Iba kasi talaga when you're just practicing at the range, limited movements / drills (especially kapag indoor)tapos wala pang pressure.

On the Lacoste OR bala dilema, in my case - ilang can ng gatas (or diaper)na yan;a

Eye Cutter
10-27-2004, 19:43
horge: I dug up all the Ranger parts from my baul. It's a complete upper assembly (slide, barrel, bushing, guide rod, spring, fp, etc) plus the thumb safety, hammer, disconnector, hammer strut, sear, trigger, etc. I'll leave it with Gerianne this afternoon so you can take a look see.

kulang na lang frame and magazines, kumpleto na!

horge
10-28-2004, 07:31
Thanks Doc EyC.
I'll try to drop by tomorrow and look 'em over.
Prepare yourself... matindi ako kung tumawad! Hehe, actually, I'm pretty lousy at bargaining. Again, thanks for allowing an inspection!

horge

Eye Cutter
10-30-2004, 04:53
Horge: enjoy your new toy! thank you!

LexaDoig
10-30-2004, 07:24
Congrats on your new gun!

Kelan tayo magkakaroon ng Armscor Practical FS 1911 Chapterhouse?

horge
10-30-2004, 20:23
Doc EyC,
Thanks for leaving word with Ian.
I got caught in cemetery traffic, but was able to get to the range (and Ian) before the place closed. Left the payment with Ian, and am presently going over the parts. Thanks!

Lex,
Not anytime soon. ;)

Eye Cutter
01-26-2006, 04:31
;d

Eye Cutter
08-08-2006, 20:35
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