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10-27-2004, 03:59
hi guys,

Just wondering, I came from PB a while ago an saw their RANGER .45 pistol costing around 16k... very cheap. And they say it was made in England...

Is this pistol any good? Comments would be appreciated.


10-27-2004, 04:41
Parang si Eyecutter ata e ginawang project gun iyan. Aya mo norinco?;)

Eye Cutter
10-27-2004, 05:07
ok na yung mga bagong ranger frames. yung dati raw na mga frames tabingi mga butas

Eye Cutter
10-27-2004, 05:08
yep. i used the ranger as my base for the sti trojan clone. England ang mother company. sa vietnam ang planta. sa pbd range sa del monte ina-assemble mga pistols.





10-27-2004, 07:36

The Imperial Defence Services 1911A1 "Ranger" pistols are rollmarked as coming from Sheffield, England. However, we have to keep in mind that IDS is primarily an intitutional reseller of military supplies sourced elsewhere on the globe.

There was furthermore, early word from both PB Dionisio staff, as well as staff from Starfire, Hahn and Secure Arms, that the pistols were actually made in Vietnam. That was prior to the gun show, when the parked GI version wasn't widely available. Most models then had a large italicized RANGER on a blued or chromed slide, and I was pretty underwhelmed by th fit and action.

At the gun show, the newly-common parkerized GI model, with the military-style small rollmarks, impressed me better. It was furthermore discounted to PhP 12,800.oo from a retail tag of PhP 16,000.oo. (Thus, it might be worth waiting for the next Gun Show and another possible discount).

At the last Gun Show, everyone was now saying: 'Vietnam? These pistols really ARE from England, period.' Which is it? Long after the show Starfire steered me gently away from buying one at 16,000 and suggested I go for the cheaper Armcor GI at 13,500 --on quality issues, supposedly. Dunno.

As seen above, Doc EyC used the Ranger frame to successfully build a handsome STI-clone racegun, and he used the latter, GI version. If Doc says the Ranger GI frames are good, then they're good.

Eye Cutter
10-27-2004, 07:54
the rangers are investment cast in vietnam. i only used the frame. everything else was replaced.

yes, the fit and quality of the 1st batches were really piss poor. the people of IDS came over and the pbd gunsmiths pointed out everything wrong with the old frames and what the buyers wanted. mostly mounting holes that were not straight and out of spec. the subsequent units imported were improved upon versions. for a cheapo 1911 its alright.

every gun enthusiast should, no, must have at least one 1911 to tinker with and appreciate John Moses Browning's genius mind.

10-27-2004, 10:01
if ever, sa armscor na lang ako. i don't see any value addition getting a unit made from vietnam....unless its dirt cheap;z

10-27-2004, 18:03
Doc Eyc,

Do you still have the Ranger's original slide, grip safety, thumb safety?
How much would you sell it for?

Any chance PBD will market the IDS HiPower?
:cool: :cool: :cool:

Eye Cutter
10-27-2004, 19:06
horge: yep, all the ranger parts are with me. i'll leave it with gerianne at the range so you can take a look at it.