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darwin25
11-02-2004, 17:15
I just bought a 6 round .22 magnum revolver from a fellow BOG for a very reasonable price. I expected to get a a S&W revolver. But the gun far exceeded my expectation. It is a piece of Jewel. Its a 3.5 inch barrel Model 51.

I imeediately bought 1HKS speedloader before the meet so I can test it with revolver. The accuracy is A1. The action is very smooth. DA pull is about 9 to 10 lbs. SA pull is about 2 1/2 lbs. Weight is about 25 lbs. Then I bought another HKS speedloader so I already got two of them. Its definitely a keeper. The finish of the gun is very good.

as soon as I got home, I immediatle detailed strip the gun and found out that the parts are in very good condition. I lubed the all and now the action is even more smoother. Shooting the revolver, I found that it has very good accuracy. Recoil is almost none existent and even more with Pachmayr Gripper.

This will be the most versatile gun I will ever have. It will be my designated car gun.

Ate Edna of PB Dionisio told me that on the next guns show, they will be introducing a 9- shot .22 magnum by Ruger. I haven't heard ar read anything yet about the gun so Im gonna do some research.

Anybody thinks that a 6 shot .22 magnum revolver with 2 speedloaders loaded with Remingtons is a viable defensive handgun?

BTW, its very good dealing with you Alexxi.

Can anybody please teach me how to post pics so I can show you guys my new piece of jewel? ;f ;f ;f

New_comer
11-02-2004, 18:09
Hello, darwin

My father has one of those classic S&W 22 magnums, and still in pristine condition. He's quite proud of it, and looking forward to the day he'd turn it over to me, just like the excellent Remington 870 shotgun he gave me last year.

We tried the Remington softpoints/hollow points at Cavite one time using hollow blocks as target, and easily made mincemeat out of them. Truly a sweet shooting gun, and to me with experience in the snappy recoil of 9mm's and major 45's, it shoots without undesirable recoil and smooth trigger. So easy to shoot POA.

As to its defensive value, I wouldn't want to stand downrange with someone holding a gun that easy to hit as aimed. :cool:

PS: Where did you get those speedloaders?

darwin25
11-02-2004, 18:55
Originally posted by New_comer
Hello, darwin
PS: Where did you get those speedloaders?

I bought it at Tools Trading sa 3rd floor Robinson's Fairview. Its a good resource for speedloaders. Ask the Model HKS-48K. They also have 9 shot speedloaders for the Taurus .22 LR and a lot of other hard to find speed loaders.

antediluvianist
11-02-2004, 22:30
I had an S&W .22 magnum revolver a long time ago. With hollow points, and at normal handgun range (10 meters or less), in my opinion that gun is good enough as a self-defense weapon.

Try firing it into a tree (hollow point ammo.) I did. The damage and penetration you see will boost your confidence.

The only problem I had was that the spent cases were sometimes difficult to extract after rapid fire, owing to heat expansion of the cases. Verify you don't have that problem or your speedloader will be useless for rapid fire.

jundeleon
11-02-2004, 23:32
Is it safe to fire 22lr rounds in a 22mag revolver?

Does it follow the same principle as a 38spl/357 magnum or 44 spl/44magnum?

New_comer
11-02-2004, 23:54
Originally posted by antediluvianist
I had an S&W .22 magnum revolver a long time ago. With hollow points, and at normal handgun range (10 meters or less), in my opinion that gun is good enough as a self-defense weapon.

Try firing it into a tree (hollow point ammo.) I did. The damage and penetration you see will boost your confidence.

The only problem I had was that the spent cases were sometimes difficult to extract after rapid fire, owing to heat expansion of the cases. Verify you don't have that problem or your speedloader will be useless for rapid fire. Agree. This happens particularly when we use local Armscor or PMC bullets. Only after testing a whole boxful of Remington softpoints / hollowpoints did we stick to that brand exclusively for use in my father's gun.

Is it safe to fire 22lr rounds in a 22mag revolver?

Does it follow the same principle as a 38spl/357 magnum or 44 spl/44magnum? No, it won't. The case length of the LR is too short,though both are rimfire cartridges. I suppose using LR's will unnessesarily erode the innards of the chamber

I bought it at Tools Trading sa 3rd floor Robinson's Fairview. Its a good resource for speedloaders. Ask the Model HKS-48K. They also have 9 shot speedloaders for the Taurus .22 LR and a lot of other hard to find speed loaders. Thanks a lot, darwin

I'll pay a visit to their shop one of these days. ;)

antediluvianist
11-03-2004, 03:31
Originally posted by jundeleon
Is it safe to fire 22lr rounds in a 22mag revolver?

Does it follow the same principle as a 38spl/357 magnum or 44 spl/44magnum?

As New_Comer said, no this is not safe. The .22 magnum case has different dimensions. (Also,.22magnum ammo is much more expensive than .22lr.)

There are some threads in other forums which classify the .22magnum as an "underrated" caliber. It certainly is much more powerful than .25acp, but of course that is not saying much.

Eye Cutter
11-03-2004, 05:39
the main issue with the .22 caliber as used for defense/carry is over penetration.

Alexii
11-03-2004, 05:53
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
the main issue with the .22 caliber as used for defense/carry is over penetration.

That's good, so lack of penetration isn't a problem with this round? We just have to select a good JHP round that'll expand reliably. That makes it viable as a car gun, i.e., bullets maintaining its trajectory after shattering car windows at oblique angles.

Darwin25's .22 Magnum revolver is extremely accurate. I was able to squeeze in six shots in the 2x4 inch A-zone of the target's head 10 feet away. Changed my opinions on revolvers outright. Now I seem to want one in lieu of a 1911. More sleepless nights. Bummer.;)

Eye Cutter
11-03-2004, 06:27
imagine a projectile travelling at over 2000 fps. and that's just the .22LR round. imagine the velocity of the .22Magnum! more than 3000 fps!

i'd gladly have one than nothing at all

darwin25
11-03-2004, 17:37
Originally posted by Alexii


Darwin25's .22 Magnum revolver is extremely accurate. I was able to squeeze in six shots in the 2x4 inch A-zone of the target's head 10 feet away. Changed my opinions on revolvers outright. Now I seem to want one in lieu of a 1911. More sleepless nights. Bummer.;)

HAHAHA. The moment I squeezed my first shot, I decided that I will not give you a chance to back out of the deal;f ;z. I was very satisfied that I did not haggle with the price. ;f

zorkd
11-03-2004, 17:54
more like 2700 fps is the maximum velocity you can get from a .22 mag, and that's from a rifle, using cartridges that fire a 30 gr bullet.

as for .22 lr, the fastest i've seen claimed is like 1500 fps, for the yellow jacket remington stuff.

the remington stuff is devastating on rats, even big ones.

Vault Keeper
11-03-2004, 18:07
Originally posted by zorkd
more like 2700 fps is the maximum velocity you can get from a .22 mag, and that's from a rifle, using cartridges that fire a 30 gr bullet.

as for .22 lr, the fastest i've seen claimed is like 1500 fps, for the yellow jacket remington stuff.

the remington stuff is devastating on rats, even big ones.

Dapat pala yan nalang ginamit ng anak ni Jawo instead of the big ones (m14's...);f ;f ;f

New_comer
11-03-2004, 18:38
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
imagine a projectile travelling at over 2000 fps. and that's just the .22LR round. imagine the velocity of the .22Magnum! more than 3000 fps!

i'd gladly have one than nothing at all That's too much. Here's Remington's ballistic chart for the 22 mag fired from a rifle I presume:

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.22 Win. Mag.
Cartridge Type Order No. Weight (grs.) Bullet Style
.22 Win. Mag. Premier PR22M1 33 V-Max™
.22 Win. Mag. R22M1 40 Jacketed Hollow Point
.22 Win. Mag. R22M2 40 Pointed Soft Point

Velocity (ft./sec.)
Energy (ft.-lbs.)
Cartridge Type Muzzle 50 yds. 100 yds. Muzzle 50 yds. 100 yds.
33-gr. V-Max™ 2000 1730 1495 293 219 164
40-gr. JHP 1910 1610 1350 324 230 162
40-gr. PSP 1910 1600 1340 324 230 162

Long-Range Trajectory*
Cartridge Type 50 yds. 100 yds. 150 yds.
33-gr. V-Max™ 0.6 0.0 -4.3
40-gr. JHP 0.9 0.0 -5.7
40-gr. PSP 1.0 0.0 -5.8

*Note: Figures derived with sights 1.5" above axis of bore.
===========================================================

Say there's a 30-40% reduction in velocity. That's still a supersonic 1200fps 40grain slug capable of expanding up to .32 cal, as I've seen in the now defunct ammolab.com.

I certainly wouldn't feel undergunned with a 6-shot 22mag revolver, with its excellent shootability and highly penetrative round.

darwin25
11-05-2004, 23:21
Here it is guys.

My Smith & Wesson Model 51 with 1 speedloader and Smith & Wesson HRT Tactical Folder

darwin25
11-05-2004, 23:22
:)

darwin25
11-05-2004, 23:26
S&W M51 and Daewoo DP51

darwin25
11-05-2004, 23:27
S&W M51 with 2 HKS speedloaders

New_comer
11-05-2004, 23:48
Originally posted by darwin25
S&W M51 with 2 HKS speedloaders Guwapo talaga ^c

Magkano nga pala HKS speedloader?

Alexii
11-06-2004, 06:09
Originally posted by darwin25
S&W M51 with 2 HKS speedloaders

It didn't look that good when it was with me.;f

Seriously, I'm happy that gun found a new owner. It sure deserves a better treatment than being stashed away for another decade.

New_comer
11-07-2004, 05:53
Originally posted by darwin25
I bought it at Tools Trading sa 3rd floor Robinson's Fairview. Its a good resource for speedloaders. Ask the Model HKS-48K. They also have 9 shot speedloaders for the Taurus .22 LR and a lot of other hard to find speed loaders. ;g... just my luck

The two you bought were the last pair. Went there today, dragged my entire family from the Manila Memorial Park in Parañaque to Fairview just so I can buy that gift for my father. What they have are 9-shooter speedloaders.

Also found out that they're another outlet of Twin Pines. might as well order myself a couple at their MCS outlet na lang. They may still make it by gunshow time. :cool:

Dandapani
11-07-2004, 05:57
One word: headshot.

I killed a vicious stray dog in my barn with Ruger Stainless Steel 22 SA in 22mag, 5.5" barrel. I shot him 5 times in various parts of his torso as he scurried around my barn with no effect. The only telling blow was the 6th shot, headshot.

9MX
11-07-2004, 06:53
Originally posted by dmobrien2001
One word: headshot.



right on!