you are scaring me (pm9)

[skar]

New pm9 for my ccw. I like this for my carry gun.
small light. I paid big bucks for it($530 plus tax)
but reading this forum (kahr club)it sounds like kahrs are over priced Junk ? I read more cons then pros.
I have not had time to break it in yet. only shot 12 rounds with it in the back yard.(need to go to the range so not to piss off the neighors.)? is this a good gun or not.
thanks

[ProfMoriarty]

Kahrs, particularly the all steel models, are excellent and dependable firearms.

It appears that they are still working the bugs out of the micro polymers, but Kahr, as a rule, has excellent customer service.

[Article2]

Keep in mind that with any online "product" forum there will generally be a disproportionate number of posts from owners with problems. These folks make a couple of posts, get help, and are on their merry way. And it's great that there are many knowledgeable "regulars" here that are willing to share their time and talent with others. Keep in mind that what we have here is in no way a representative sample of all Kahr owners. We don't hear from the vast majority who don't have a problem! I have 500 rounds through my PM9 without a single failure of any kind.

[cpirtle]

Unhappy people will seek out places to complain and can be very vocal, happy customers are typically less heard.

Kahr sells thousands of guns and there are typically a dozen or so people complaining about them at any one time. Probably not much different than a lot of other manufacturers.

I don't know if I even believe that there are "bugs" to be worked out. Sure there may be more more reports of problems with the poly line but that's the case with any newer venture for a company. I don't see them retro fitting a bunch of parts so it's hard to call them bugs.

I have a PM9 with about 1,000 rounds through it without a single failure. It went back for the recall and another 250 rounds without a single failure.

Also have a K40 I bought used, the older carbon steel so-called "buggy model" and I have put about 500 rounds through it without a single failure. I also have first hand knowledge of several other people that have Kahr's with zero problems.

When I say zero failures I mean nada, none, zip - same can be said for my Sig's, Glock's and HK's....

So with that said, while there are problems with them occasionally - Kahr's are IMO great guns, not over priced and have proven to be very relible.


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[john9]

Picked up a new PM9 with night sights Saturday. Shot 100 rounds CCI Blazer aluminum and 100 rounds CCI Blazer brass. No failures of any kind. Kahr advises 200 rounds for break in. Gun was shooting 3 inches high to start with, but after about 100 rounds it came down right to point of aim. I am very happy with this firearm.

[compman]

If half the NYPD is carrying them as back-up, I don't think they are junk.

[Dandapani]

Give it 200 rounds of WWB 115 break in ammo, then shoot some WWB JHP through it. Find a nice premium carry ammo that works well. Keep it clean and well lubricated. I carry mine 24x7 and it is always dependable.

[rgregoryb]

I own 2 pm9's and I have had no problems out of either one. I've put over 500 rnds through one and about 100 through the other...never a malfunction :)

[OKCGLOCKER]

I own 2 Kahrs (K9 & PM9) and absolutely love them. After the 200 round break-in period they have been perfect.
Both of my sons own Kahrs and all of theirs perform perfectly, as well.
I'll likely own another one in the near future.

[LGCubana]

Originally posted by compman
If half the NYPD is carrying them as back-up, I don't think they are junk.
I believe that only the K9 is on the NYPD's approved list.

[drofnas]

with my PM9. I now carry it more than my G26. Just easier to carry.

As was said above, when things go well, you often hear nothing. When there is a problem, everyone knows it. Worry not!

[CougarRed]

I have P9 Covert (same as a PM9, only a longer barrel), and it works perfectly. I trust my life with it.

[Gunmeister]

LGCUBANA is correct the K9 was an NYPD approved piece, however that was several years ago, I'm not sure if that certification still is in effect. Polymer Kahrs were not on the NYPD list.
I have to agree with PROFMORIARITY, the all stainless Kahrs seem to be less problematic than their polymer cousins. From what I have read on the subject, it would appear that "great" strides toward improving the polymer models have been undertaken. I personally have owned many Kahrs including two PM9s, both of which have been sold. Having become accustomed to my stainless Kahrs, the polymer versions just didn't feel the same. I had no real problems with either PM9, I just could not cultivate a warm fuzzy feeling toward them. I didn't like the polymer shavings that I found inside every time I shot one. The perceived recoil was slightly greater which I wasn't fond of. I simply prefer the "real gun" feeling of an all steel pistol be it stainless or blue. Which is why my Glocks rest quietly in the safe, they too are excellent, reasonably priced firearms but they still have that plastic feel that I personally don't care for. I like the look and feel of wood grips on a handgun which, unfortunately can't be fitted to either a polymer Kahr or a Glock.
As CPIRTLE correctly points out, unhappy customers will find a forum to complain, while the silent majority of satisfied polymer Kahr owners say nothing.
SKAR, there is absolutely no reason to be afraid of your PM9, there are thousands out there performing flawlessly. If it is of any comfort to you, new PM9s sell for around $580.00 in my part of Florida, that is if you can find one.:cool:

[compman]

I believe it may be recent.

[mmc45414]

My P-40 has NEVER choked on a factory round. Took me a while to get the reloads compatible, though.

[WorksForMe]

My new PM9 has about 150 rounds of both Federal and Winchester FMJ as well as Golden Sabre +P Hollow Points through it. Not a lot of rounds, but so far, not one failure of any kind.

I don't see what you're afraid of.

I've seen 90% positive comments on them. I'm sure that some will have a failure. Funny, everyone agrees how reliable Glocks are, yet on occasion if you just read the posts where people are having feeding problems or need to replace springs (which you must do on Kahrs as well) you would think that they were junk.

J-frame revolvers are considered to be the standard as far as pocket gun reliability, yet go to the S&W forum under the gunsmithing section and you'll find all kinds of questions about timing problems, end shake problems, etc...

Hell, read the newspaper and you would swear the country is collapsing into mayhem.

Keep in mind that people are much more likely to speak up if they ARE having a problem. Those of us that are not having any problems have no need to speak up.

Relax and enjoy shooting :)

[skar]

Ok thank you.I feel better.

[cole]

Originally posted by skar
New pm9 for my ccw. I like this for my carry gun.
small light. I paid big bucks for it($530 plus tax)
but reading this forum (kahr club)it sounds like kahrs are over priced Junk ? I read more cons then pros.
I have not had time to break it in yet. only shot 12 rounds with it in the back yard.(need to go to the range so not to piss off the neighors.)? is this a good gun or not.
thanks

Opinions will vary. It's a good gun. Is it the "best" in the Kahr line? No. Is it the best money can buy? No. These are my opinions

There have been some QC issues with the P-series more-so than the K-Series. This my observation.

Of coure, on internet Boards, the bad is often shared more than the good. Frustration can initiate action and is often more vocalized than satisfaction.

However, IMHO, if yours works, is reliable, if you like it and shoot it well, it's a good gun for you.

[cpirtle]

Just to add a little more...

One thing you hear quite often is a complaint and then never hear a follow up from the person as to how it was resolved. Did they fix it, have it fixed, dump the gun on someone else... etc.

I think many times people work out bugs in their cleaning procedure, were limp wristing or doing something else to cause a problem they complain about. Once they work out the problem are too embarased to come back and fess up or are now happy and not worried about their complaint. Unfortunately any damage they did is never rectified.

Limp wristing is the biggest problem I see in polymer guns. People go from an all steel or aluminum frame to a poly and all of a sudden have feed/extraction problems, many times if they hand the gun to someone else they have no problems.

When I first got my USPc 9 it was for my wife to pin shoot, we took it out and she had an FTE every other round. I would grab the gun and double tap away without a single glitch.

[JWM]

Originally posted by dmobrien2001
Give it 200 rounds of WWB 115 break in ammo, then shoot some WWB JHP through it. Find a nice premium carry ammo that works well. Keep it clean and well lubricated. I carry mine 24x7 and it is always dependable.

What he said.

[sailfish]

My MK9 is going on 4 years old and has never failed. It is perfect; reliable and accurate. Only drawback is its weight.

I bought the PM9 since its thinner and lighter than the MK9, perfect for South Florida carry. It too is extremely accurate but I've had problems with feeding, on occassion the slide doesn't go into full battery and I need to lightly push it forward. Not sure if the recall addresses this, but as I broke the gun in the problem decreased in frequency.

To answer the question, Kahrs are not POS guns, in fact quite the opposite.