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New_comer
11-23-2004, 18:51
Another Gen. Garcia in the making, but this time nipped at the bud.

What a waste... of our money! :soap:

What kind of values do they teach there?

Is the PMA really the Philippine Millionaire's Academy? With that disgusting 'mistah' culture that derails any efforts to eradicate the military ranks from scalawags / bandits-to-be?

Better burn the whole thing down, before it produces any more of these epitomes of abject national embarrassment! Heck, the ROTC may even be able to produce better officers than these. :soap: /rant off


Top PMA grad sent home by US academy for shoplifting
By Jaime Laude
The Philippine Star 11/24/2004


A young Army officer who graduated at the top of his class at the Philippine Military Academy (PMA) was sacked from a US military school and sent home in disgrace for alleged shoplifting.

And for allegedly stealing a compact disc (CD) worth a measly $12.95, the military career of 2Lt. Rolly Joaquin, valedictorian of PMA Class 2004, now hangs in the balance as he was placed under arrest on his return here last Oct. 28 to face court martial.

Army spokesman Maj. Bartolome Bacarro said Joaquin was dismissed from the US Army Infantry School at Fort Benning in Georgia where he had been sent for an officer’s training course.

Joaquin reportedly removed a 50-cent discount tag from a sale item and attached it to a $12 CD that he purchased from a store there.

"There was (a) sale in one of the stores and apparently, he interchanged the tag price of $0.50 attached to compact disc on sale and placed it over the $12.95 tag price on another CD which is not included in the sale," Bacarro said.

He said Joaquin was monitored by the store’s closed-circuit camera which led to his arrest.

As topnotcher of his class, Joaquin received a study grant from the United States Military Assistance Group (JUSMAG) for the Basic Officers Course at Fort Benning.

Joaquin was also the first among all PMA graduates to have delivered the valedictory address during their graduation early this year.

"On October 26, the Philippine Army received an information from the JUSMAG... that (a) Filipino student of the Infantry Officer Basic Course held at Fort Benning is being sent back to the Philippines by the US Army Infantry School after having been apprehended for shoplifting," Bacarro told a news conference yesterday.

He said Joaquin will be immediately restricted to quarters at Fort Bonifacio upon his arrival from the US.

And if probable cause is established in an ongoing inquiry, Joaquin could be put on trial in a military tribunal for conduct unbecoming an officer, Bacarro said.

"Independent from possible court-martial proceedings in violations of Articles of War 96 and... 97, subject officer can also be administratively charged under the (military’s) Efficiency and Separation Board," Bacarro said.

The shoplifting case is the latest black eye for the Armed Forces following the controversy generated by the corruption trial of retired Maj. Gen. Carlos Garcia and an Army major who is under investigation for allegedly soliciting oral sex from military recruits.

The latest scandals also focused on the quality of graduates produced by the country’s premier military institution.

"It’s not the quality of education at the PMA at question here, but rather it has something to do with personal character," Bacarro said in response to questions over PMA graduates.

Joaquin’s case cropped up barely four days after a videotape of Army Maj. Ferdinand Ramos, a member of PMA Class ’88, was shown on national television in an "compromising position" with an Army trainee.

The military said the videotape would be used as evidence in filing the appropriate charges against Ramos.

Ramos, a trainer assigned at the Army’s Light Armor Brigade (LAB) in Capas, Tarlac, was also ordered restricted to quarters pending investigation of his case publicized by a certain Richard who claimed to be one of his victims.

Bacarro said the LAB’s Provost Marshal would start conducting the investigation on Ramos to establish probable cause for another possible court martial.

Bacarro downplayed the two latest controversies involving Army officers, saying they were "isolated" in the 70,000-strong command.

He also assured the Army leadership will slap appropriate sanctions against erring officers.

"The Army leadership would like to take this opportunity to assure the public that these matters will be addressed accordingly and that appropriate punishment shall be meted out commensurate to the offense committed," Bacarro said.

"These two unfortunate incidents involving two Army officers (are) not representative of the entire Philippine Army as an organization, it is not representative of the more than 70,000 Army personnel.

These are isolated incidents involving individual acts," Bacarro further said. — With AFP report

PMMA97
11-23-2004, 20:34
Burn the whole thing down? If a UP grad becomes corrupt should we burn the institution down? If we utilize this idea there will be nothing left in the Philippine government. ;)

The PMA is under attack from the lousy bugs in it's ranks. I think that the best option would be that they consider graduating the 2004 to 2008 classes and start anew beginning with class 2009.

But thats just me. Im not a mistah nor do I try to imply that I understand what goes on behind the walls of Fort Del Pilar.

Dapat habang naka restrict sa quarters kabugin ng kabugin gawing plebo ulit! ;f

julianz
11-24-2004, 01:00
in a freshly harvested apple or kamatis meron talagang naliligaw na bulok , pag di itinapon yung bulok ..mabubulok na rin yung iba. tsk tsk tsk ano ba yan? ano pa kayang kahihiyan ang ibibigay sa bansa in this matter the AFP ng iilan, just look at the bright side it means close circuit camera is 100% fool proof and should be installed in all malls in PI baka may mahuling politician na naninikwat;f

bagito
11-24-2004, 01:58
Dapat habang naka restrict sa quarters kabugin ng kabugin gawing plebo ulit! ;f [/B][/QUOTE]

hidi lang kabug kailangan nyan; ^d ^d ~1 ~1

tanong natin kay Julianz kung ano ang ginagawa sa mga magnanakaw sa saudi. ;z ;z

doctabako
11-24-2004, 05:23
What the hell was that guy thinking!!! Another promising career(doing what.., I don't know ;f) down the drain. Stuupiddd ^8

atmarcella
11-24-2004, 05:30
i'm not surprised:cool:

julianz
11-24-2004, 07:07
Originally posted by bagito
Dapat habang naka restrict sa quarters kabugin ng kabugin gawing plebo ulit! ;f

hindi lang kabug kailangan nyan; ^d ^d ~1 ~1

tanong natin kay Julianz kung ano ang ginagawa sa mga magnanakaw sa saudi. ;z ;z [/B][/QUOTE]

PINUPUTULAN !!!!

Depende kung ano ang value ng sinikwat
kung mura DALIRI lang
kung Mahal Buong kamay
dapat eh mauso sa Pinas to mas mura kesa lethal injection or i'm sure you will all agree Firing SQuad kung nagtitipid eh di Reload gamitin.

Alexii
11-24-2004, 07:25
A government's nightmare, pure and simple. This guy is suppose to represent the best soldiers our country has to offer, worthy of emulation and admiration. And we spend two million pesos per PMA cadet?!

What a shame. What a loss.

kristiansen
11-24-2004, 07:40
He should be hanged in smokey mountain or payatas! coz that's what he is,GARBAGE! and this guy is a fresh graduate of PMA? court martial....NO! let us see his blood! (rant off)

9MX
11-24-2004, 07:46
he should be tasked to live with pma batch 88 grad maj. ferdinand ramos. who plays wifey is up to them;z

s.g
11-24-2004, 18:02
It's bad enough that he was a PMA grad.

What's worse, VALEDICTORIAN pa yun ng batch nila!

:soap:

New_comer
11-24-2004, 18:51
Di pwedeng dismissal lang ang parusa nyan.

Dapat isoli nya lahat ng itinustos sa kanya. Two million kesos pala ha...

Pati yung syokeng kabo at si General corrupt-cia. With 10% per annum interest...

Para mag-tanda!

Tapos putol daliri o kamay o leeg, proportionate to the crime committed :soap:

jerrytrini
11-24-2004, 21:38
Shoplifters come from all walks of life. I arrested a nurse (Pinay)
for stealing a blouse IIRC $20.00. A nurse in the US makes $40.00 dollars minimum.....oh well.

IMHO, the "Philippine Millionaires' Academy" should revisit their curricula and dedicate more in Values, Integrity and Respect (if they do not have these). I went through OCS for 11 weeks and half of the class time was devoted to integrity and moral values of an Officer and a Gentleman.

jerrytrini
11-24-2004, 21:40
Correction!!!!that's $40.00 per hour not including night differential.

asintaderoche
11-24-2004, 22:36
If i remember right, it was put in the news here in USA that since 9-11 american spend 80% of their life now under the camera. which means don't ever think about doing stupid. i fell sorry for this mal educated student. but i'm happy he got caught early, i don't want a stupid theft general in the future. hirap lang baka makalusot pa sa Pilipinas. bartolina agad.

PMMA97
11-25-2004, 03:38
Originally posted by jerrytrini

IMHO, the "Philippine Millionaires' Academy" should revisit their curricula and dedicate more in Values, Integrity and Respect (if they do not have these).

This maybe off topic but let me share an article I first saw in the plebes and cavaliers yahoo groups and other PMA forums regarding the current PMA mentality and other foreign service academies.

Three monkeys are placed in a large cage. Experimenters put in a banana on a string above the monkey's reach. Every time a monkey makes an attempt to get the banana, all three monkeys are sprayed with cold water. After a little bit (and a lot of cold water), the experimenters put away the water hose. Now, each time a one monkey jumps up and tries to get the banana, the other two beat the living hell out of the jumper. Finally, all of the monkeys finally get smart and stop trying and just sit there. The banana hangs over their head, and none of them go for it.

The experimenters then bring in a new monkey from a different room. They exchange the new monkey for one of the monkeys in the cage. The new monkey looks around, sees the two other monkeys, but is more interested in the food hanging slightly overhead. He thinks, "Hey, cool. A banana." He jumps up for the banana, then gets the piss beat out of him by the two originals (those cynical bastards). "Why," this new monkey thinks, "are they doing this to me? In the real world, wouldn't it make sense to go for free food? Isn't that normal?" But this new monkey quickly decides that the food is not worth getting beat up. So the three monkeys sit in the cage, scratching their butts and not doing a whole lot.

The experimenters, after a few minutes, decide to bring in another new monkey. They put him in the cage and take out one of the original three. Now there are two new monkeys, and only one original left. The newest monkey sees the goods overhead, and makes a go for it, only to find that this action is not acceptable in this cage. After getting kicked around for a while, he stops going for the banana, and the monkeys resume doing nothing in the cage. The banana swings dauntingly overhead.

Just for kicks, the experimenters bring in another new monkey and exchange him for the last original monkey. Almost right away, he goes for the food-on-a-string and gets beat up by the other two monkeys. Those two monkeys have no idea why they are beating the crap out of this other monkey, but that's the way they learned things, and by God, that's how things are going to be done in this cage. And so this cycle continues-with each new monkey, the tradition of beating is passed on for any attempt made for the food swinging overhead.

And so it is at PMA - with each new class, the previous and older classes beat the hell out of the new guys, either physically or mentally or whatever just because the new guys are trying to be normal. Being normal at the Academy is simply unacceptable and deserves punishment. The upper classes don't know why they beat the living hell out of the lower classes, but they continue to do what they do because that's just the way things are done.

New_comer
11-25-2004, 04:43
;P I see...

That would probably explain why they tend to act like total retards when they are mingled with regular citizens in society. The values beaten into them are nowhere near acceptable social mores and norms.

Worse, they may have also been subjected to the thought that PMA'ers are supposed to be on top of the social food chain, and us regular Juans and Pedros are but prey to toy with.

Enough of these conjectures... Like I said earlier, better 'burn' the whole thing down, symbolically of course ;): Scrap their educational system, the 'mistah' culture, predatory pre-disposition, a distorted superiority complex. I mean, doesn't the PMA faculty know how to inculcate the concept of civilian authority over the military?

One solution I'm thinking would be to flush their system clean of these misguided traditions. Let government appoint a whole new set of directors from the civilian sector instead of ex officers past their prime: educators from the scientific, religious, finance, business, and legal sectors. Let them overhaul the entire curriculum by putting more emphasis on being productive members of society in general, but with a more generous share of military discipline compared to civilian educational institutions.

Also, fielding our best and brightest to the frontline of a useless battle in Mindanao just to be killed by bandits is the most stupid training regimen they still do today. Remember that kid killed in Lamitan? What now of the people's investment in that kid? To become duckshoot target is by no means a way for us to optimize on his potential as a leader. Better round up the addicts, murderers and thieves in Bilibid and set them free in the frontline, along with a single shot pistol with one bullet. Whether they fire at themselves or at the enemy is entirely up to them.

Led by Major Syoke and Gen. Corrupt-cia, of course. ;)

bass one
11-25-2004, 18:10
just look at the bright side it means close circuit camera is 100% fool proof and should be installed in all malls in PI baka may mahuling politician na naninikwat PAGCOR casinos have a multitude of CCTV cameras...where the hell is the intel guy who exposed Erap's VIP gambling stints in Heritage hotel??? Your guess is as good as mine...;I

To those who have never entered and have no idea of what's going on inside pagcor, let me educate you a little.

I used to be a table supervisor in PAGCOR. It is posted in the rules and regulations board before entering the casinos that GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER THE CASINOS. I can name A LOT of topnotch politicos (senators, congressmen, govs, mayors, etc.) and military men (lots of generals) who play regularly and lose hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pesos in one night alone! AGAMs (Asst. Gaming Area Managers) ALWAYS write down the names of the people, especially high rollers/VIPs playing in his pit, including their estimated capital and win loss per game/day. There's also 1 cctv cam per 3 tables. What I'm driving at here is, if the gov't is really intent in going after erring officials they don't have to look elsewhere...

Allegra
11-25-2004, 18:36
And so it is at PMA - with each new class, the previous and older classes beat the hell out of the new guys, either physically or mentally or whatever just because the new guys are trying to be normal. Being normal at the Academy is simply unacceptable and deserves punishment. The upper classes don't know why they beat the living hell out of the lower classes, but they continue to do what they do because that's just the way things are done. [/B][/QUOTE]

Sa forums nila , they dont know why may hazing sila?
Pareho lang sa Frat yan
Pinag hihirapan, only the mentally tough survives, and those who do feel a sense of accomplishment and belonging at Loyalty sa institution.
Dont ask me how,I'm not a psychologist, it just does.
Parang stockholm syndrome siguro haha

Iba naman ang gradustes ng PMA sa other schools.
Pag hindi nila kinaya pressure ng upperclassmen, baka bumigay yan sa pressure ng Abu sayaff etc .

ogiebb
11-25-2004, 19:08
Originally posted by bass one
PAGCOR casinos have a multitude of CCTV cameras...where the hell is the intel guy who exposed Erap's VIP gambling stints in Heritage hotel??? Your guess is as good as mine...;I

To those who have never entered and have no idea of what's going on inside pagcor, let me educate you a little.

I used to be a table supervisor in PAGCOR. It is posted in the rules and regulations board before entering the casinos that GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER THE CASINOS. I can name A LOT of topnotch politicos (senators, congressmen, govs, mayors, etc.) and military men (lots of generals) who play regularly and lose hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pesos in one night alone! AGAMs (Asst. Gaming Area Managers) ALWAYS write down the names of the people, especially high rollers/VIPs playing in his pit, including their estimated capital and win loss per game/day. There's also 1 cctv cam per 3 tables. What I'm driving at here is, if the gov't is really intent in going after erring officials they don't have to look elsewhere...


The guy who exposed Erap's vids was a good Frat brod of mine ...he was never found....God rest his soul.

juramentado
11-25-2004, 20:23
my 2 cents worth..

I come from a family with a long history of military service. My dad, uncles, grandfathers and others are products of ghe PMA. and none of them did anything as stupid as this or stole from the government or the people they have sworn to serve and protect. To call for the closure of the PMA is a bit too harsh. the institution needs a solid kick in the nuts, that's for sure, but it must survive.

My late grandfather was Class '40 and was interviewed for a number of book about the PMA. He told me that back then, it was forbidden to touch a plebe, much less hit one. The upperclassmen treated their plebes with respect and that respect was returned. It is this sense of respect for their fellow man which was part of their education. He believed that somewhere along the line hazing and other stupid traditions (theft and corruption perhaps?) crept in. But the foundation and origins of the PMA were quite clean and well developed.

that valedictorian must be held accountable for his actions. a court marshal is not enough. I say keep him in the PMA and drag him out in front of every incoming batch as an example of what not to become. Serious, we should make an example of this moron. It cost us 2 million to educate him; lets put the retard to use naman.

Garcia's case: IMHO a quick trial is required and move onto slow and painful interrogation to get him to talk about other dirty generals. then give him a bullet to the head. end of story

PMMA97
11-25-2004, 21:13
Originally posted by Allegra

Sa forums nila , they dont know why may hazing sila?


Actually the post was in a thread that was trying to find a solution to hazing :)

PMMA97
11-25-2004, 21:15
Originally posted by Allegra
Loyalty sa institution.


Dito nagkakaproblema... not unlike in PMMA where the loyalty is for the school and the taxpayers:) most if not all of the PMA graduates are loyal to their CLASS hence the mistah mentality :)

atmarcella
11-26-2004, 22:02
you know what guys with all thats happening in and around our country, plus yung kakabasa ko lang na post ni bass one, parang wala na talaga ako pagasa sa bayan natin, there used to be a time na whenever i read the papers and check the stock market, cos my dad invests there, sabi ko if this happens and that happens, things will be ok, ngayon kahit ano pa mangyari i dont think things will get better or our economy will improve or something to that effect, i think the problem with majority of filipinos is deep seated, i always hear politicians cry that they are in public service cos they love the "taong bayan", but you never hear them say that they love the PHILIPPINES, you see there is a difference, if you love your country you will sacrifice comforts and privilages extended to the people for the betterment of the country, our politicians dont want to do that cos if they do that the people will not vote for them again, they see public service as a career, and they proceed to enrich themselves in public office, i think we lack patriotism, in the states especially in small towns they display their flag everywhere, dito medyo madalang ata, most of our govt. officials even have US visas, their exit strategy! anyway my finger are tired already, all these is just my 2 cents worth, goodnight:cool:

antediluvianist
11-27-2004, 04:04
It's very simple : 2nd Lt. Rolly Joaquin must have flunked the PMA course on "Shoplifting" (how to do it). Or maybe that particlular PMA course has to be updated to cover how to defeat present surveillance camera techniques.

I understand it's a required course. Also, "Controllership".

atmarcella
11-27-2004, 07:42
yung bakla pala PMA din pala yon, wow! nice school, take your pick, if they're not thieves they're gay;a

PMMA97
11-27-2004, 08:02
Let us not criticize the PMA but rather the very few who have shamed it. :) The PMA is still one of the best options for poor Filipinos to get a free college education. :)

atmarcella
11-27-2004, 08:25
yon na nga nkakalungkot sir, we pay for their education, then they steal our money, parang aso na pinakain mo na kinagat pa kamay mo, maybe its b'cos they dont teach religion or christian living or values devt. in govt. schools, sana man lang values devt., i think someone here suggested making civilians run that school, i think thats a good idea:cool:

jerrytrini
11-27-2004, 09:18
Did you know that security cameras in retail stores are so powerful they can see the movement of your wristwatch? During the holidays,
store detectives are double in numbers. I gues ex-LT Joaquin did not take those into consideration.

paltic
11-29-2004, 00:35
tama siguro ang naging proposal before....baguhin ang sistemang bulok ng PMA...saan ba magaling lang ang PMA nowadays???? sa marches,drills,etc........ other than that wala na.. wala sila ideas re: latest/modern officer training.... and also latest gadgets :) alam kaya nitong loko na ito ang ibig sabihin ng CCTV?????;e

Alexii
11-29-2004, 01:22
Failed miserably in Shoplifting 101. Sana man lang kung nakipagsuntukan dahil sa prinsipyo at na-deport, baka hero's welcome pa isalubong sa kanya dito.

Just learned that this scandal hit mainstream national news. With those of the pervert of a major and General Corrupt-cia scandals, things are really heating up for the Academy. However big these scandals are, it's simply a microcosm of the state the Philippine Government is in.

Tejeron
11-30-2004, 05:13
Parang minamalas tayo ;P

Police say a 46-year old man stabbed his ex-wife's new husband last night just off the Las Vegas Strip.

Officers responded to a fight call with a person stabbed around 7:30 PM. Upon arrival, officers found a 24-year-old victim was stabbed multiple times. He was taken to UMC but didn't survive his injuries.

Homicide detectives has identified the suspect as Rudy Distrito, an Asian male. Distrito resides in Southern California and was in Las Vegas visiting family. Distrito was last seen running from the scene on foot, and was wearing a silver sweatshirt and grey pants.

Anyone who has information on Distrito or his whereabouts is urged to contact Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department at 229-3521 or Crime Stoppers at 385-5555.

He is considered dangerous and should not be approached.

Link (http://www.kvvu.com/Global/story.asp?S=2613966)

julianz
11-30-2004, 05:40
oh man..he is the ex PBA(Phil Basketball Assoc) player who is tagged as the DESTROYER back in the philippines famous for his Basket brawl a good buddy of Ex Sen Robert Jaworski. ill go home now and watch TFC im sure its gonna be on the headline.

Alexii
11-30-2004, 20:49
This guy has been known to have a short fuse during his PBA days. If he's guilty, I hope they catch him and have him pay for his crime. There isn't a coach Jaworski there to bail him out of trouble, that's for sure.

atmarcella
12-01-2004, 02:59
bogs alam ko na bakit me hazing sa PMA, i made small talk to a former US marine on the bus on the way home, sabi nya sa kanila daw ( in english of course ), the training is so strenous and hectic and toxic in other words veryX10 hard, that at the end of the day they dont have enough energy to do anything but sleep, and the training is so hard that just passing or making it is very difficult and a challenge into itself already, no need for hazing, maybe training in the PMA is not hard enough?

Armed&Dangerous
12-02-2004, 01:10
Ex-Lt. PMA Valedictorian is nothing compared to Wynona Ryder. Talk about being sick!

Suggest the ex-Lt. obtain the services of Mark Geragos to defend him.

New_comer
12-08-2004, 18:44
PMA kicks out 2 cadets

Updated 08:40am (Mla time) Dec 09, 2004
Inquirer News Service

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FORT DEL PILAR, Baguio City -- Two cadets of the Philippine Military Academy here were dismissed this week for punching a freshman cadet on November 26.
Major Edgard Arevalo, PMA spokesman, said a battalion board found Cadet Third Class Michael Gaerlan and Cadet Second Class John Bayao guilty of maltreating Cadet Fourth Class Macario Acbang.

Acbang was hospitalized on November 28 for a jaw injury. PMA officials said he was recuperating at the Armed Forces of the Philippines Medical Center in Quezon City.

"The upperclassmen gave Acbang an order he did not fulfill so one of them struck him on the jaw. Acbang bled. But we could only order him to be confined to the hospital a few days later when we discovered the incident," Arevalo told the Inquirer in a telephone interview on Wednesday.

He said Major General Cristolito Balaoing, PMA superintendent, kept the incident confidential pending their investigation.

Balaoing ordered the technical arrest and confinement of Gaerlan and Bayao following the battalion board ruling.

"This unfortunate and isolated incidents of maltreatment will never go unpunished. The PMA will never tolerate this criminal act committed in the ranks of the Cadet Corps," said Balaoing in a statement.

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Mukhang tinablan... :cool:

chowchow
01-16-2007, 02:20
Maraming monitor kahit saan ngayon. Its not worth shoplifting kay nakakahiya.

darwin25
01-16-2007, 04:51
Originally posted by Allegra
Iba naman ang gradustes ng PMA sa other schools.
Pag hindi nila kinaya pressure ng upperclassmen, baka bumigay yan sa
pressure ng Abu sayaff etc .

E bakit ang Abu Sayyaf and oher rebel groups kinakaya ang pressure ng military ng wala namang hazing at trainig na katulad ng sa PMA. Ganun ba kahina ang mga PMA graduates natin? Resolve lang yan. And its the belief for a certain cause. Not something abstract. What are common in manu rebel and terror groups is that they have a common ground pagdating sa beliefs nila. Hindi loosely coupled and sets of principles nila. Unlike in the military, you may believe what ever you want, you just have to follow the chain of command. Iyon ang pagkakaiba ng discipline at resolve ng mga rebel and terror groups over sa discipline ng military. Sa mga rebelde at terorista, you have to believe all the way, not just in the chain of command. You have to be almost fanatical to cause you are fighting for. Buti nga ang sundalo, they can be relieved by other troops and be re-supplied. Ang mga kalaban nga nila can only hope that the military operations will finally stop dahil wala silang relief and re-supply. A soldier's days in bush last only while the operations last or while he is deployed. While their enemies, spend their whole time in the bush without rest and recreation. I just dont get the bull**** behind the hazing of fellow cadets if that is their reason. To think that they are professionals and are fighting ill-trained, ill-clad, ill-fed and ill-equipped ragtags. Mahiya nga sila

Allegra
01-16-2007, 06:31
Originally posted by darwin25
E bakit ang Abu Sayyaf and oher rebel groups kinakaya ang pressure ng military ng wala namang hazing at trainig na katulad ng sa PMA. Ganun ba kahina ang mga PMA graduates natin? Resolve lang yan. And its the belief for a certain cause. Not something abstract. What are common in manu rebel and terror groups is that they have a common ground pagdating sa beliefs nila. Hindi loosely coupled and sets of principles nila. Unlike in the military, you may believe what ever you want, you just have to follow the chain of command. Iyon ang pagkakaiba ng discipline at resolve ng mga rebel and terror groups over sa discipline ng military. Sa mga rebelde at terorista, you have to believe all the way, not just in the chain of command. You have to be almost fanatical to cause you are fighting for. Buti nga ang sundalo, they can be relieved by other troops and be re-supplied. Ang mga kalaban nga nila can only hope that the military operations will finally stop dahil wala silang relief and re-supply. A soldier's days in bush last only while the operations last or while he is deployed. While their enemies, spend their whole time in the bush without rest and recreation. I just dont get the bull**** behind the hazing of fellow cadets if that is their reason. To think that they are professionals and are fighting ill-trained, ill-clad, ill-fed and ill-equipped ragtags. Mahiya nga sila


I think you just answered your own question

Punisher_nbi45
01-16-2007, 14:40
Originally posted by darwin25
E bakit ang Abu Sayyaf and oher rebel groups kinakaya ang pressure ng military ng wala namang hazing at trainig na katulad ng sa PMA. Ganun ba kahina ang mga PMA graduates natin? Resolve lang yan. And its the belief for a certain cause. Not something abstract. What are common in manu rebel and terror groups is that they have a common ground pagdating sa beliefs nila. Hindi loosely coupled and sets of principles nila. Unlike in the military, you may believe what ever you want, you just have to follow the chain of command. Iyon ang pagkakaiba ng discipline at resolve ng mga rebel and terror groups over sa discipline ng military. Sa mga rebelde at terorista, you have to believe all the way, not just in the chain of command. You have to be almost fanatical to cause you are fighting for. Buti nga ang sundalo, they can be relieved by other troops and be re-supplied. Ang mga kalaban nga nila can only hope that the military operations will finally stop dahil wala silang relief and re-supply. A soldier's days in bush last only while the operations last or while he is deployed. While their enemies, spend their whole time in the bush without rest and recreation. I just dont get the bull**** behind the hazing of fellow cadets if that is their reason. To think that they are professionals and are fighting ill-trained, ill-clad, ill-fed and ill-equipped ragtags. Mahiya nga sila

Well said!:thumbsup:

chowchow
01-16-2007, 20:05
Pina deport kaagad sya huh. Ano kaya kong naging chief na sya sa explosives and ordnance division , biglang mawala yong mga granada natin e pinaprenda pala sa mga kalaban, hehehehe

isuzu
01-17-2007, 19:51
A friend of mine who is a PMA graduate and possibly now a general once told me that these things don't go unnoticed. He won't talk in detail, but he said those who disgace the PMA are "punished." They have their own kind of punishment, and I bet one is isolation.

PMMA97
01-17-2007, 22:37
Originally posted by isuzu
They have their own kind of punishment, and I bet one is isolation.

"Silent treatment" goes beyond the Halls of PMA.

chowchow
01-17-2007, 22:46
Dishonored and castrated pagkatapos. Iba ang kultura ng militar.

blueeagle
01-18-2007, 04:52
"... belief in a certain cause." this is what defeated the US in the vietnam war and this is the reason why the trouble in mindanao will not end. a fighting man who believes in a cause is worth a platoon of fighters who are in it for the money.

asian_glockster
01-18-2007, 05:51
Peemayers only represent around 20-30% of the officer corps of the AFP. Around 15% came from OCC (OCS Graduates). Most of the officers of the AFP are products of the ROTC program. They are Reserve Officers Called to Active Duty). They are the backbone of the officer corps. Although around 20-30%, peemayers occupies key positions in the AFP.