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CranialCrusader
12-07-2004, 23:12
So, Iím thinking about switching over to Linux, specifically an SELinux if I can. Or at least dual booting one of my two computers. Iím tired of being an M$ ***** and tired of spyware and virusesÖ I just want my computer to work! Without 8 icons in my system trayÖ

My friend wants me to use Fedora since Core 3 came out. I was thinking I might like Mandrake better since 10.1 just came out. However, Iíve never used either, or Linux that much at all ever before.

I can finally see the light after years in the dark side! (I was a Mac person originally)

What are your opinions?
CranialCrusader

lomfs24
12-08-2004, 00:26
If you just want something out of the box. Go with Suse. The latest version is really pretty slick. Here is my opinion of Fedora. It is a test bed for Redhat. That's where things get tested. That again is my own personal opinion. None the less, most questions on most boards that I have seen stem from a Fedora problem.

I have never worked with Mandrake but I have heard that it is pretty slick right out of the box too.

If you have the bandwidth to download an OS you might check out Slackware 10. It is a little more hands on but it is extremely stable. I have a newly built server running on it. 38 days uptime straight off the line. Not a bobble. I have only had it built for 38 days so that is pretty good. And so far there is no signs of me needing to reboot yet.

Just my thoughts.

Washington,D.C.
12-08-2004, 01:18
I've used Suse 9.1 and it was better than Mandrake 10.0.Suse 9.2 is suppose to be really nice.Mandrake has one of the best installers.That's important in Linux most are not so easy.I havw Mandrake 10.1 Official now because it is newer than Suse 9.1.I tried Fedora Core 3 and it wouldn't run on my Pent III.The install was all messed up.I tried a few times.I know that one PC is picky but Mandrake runs great on it.There is a refined Fedora from Italy called FTOSX.The 2004 version is still being tested but it's better than Fedora.Mepis is only one CD and includes all of the important software.You can run it live from CD before installing it.Mandrake is the best one to start.The boxed version includes a lot of really useful software.Most of it can be added to the download free version but it is some work.I have all of the links for extras for Mandrake.Get the 10.1 Official version.

HerrGlock
12-08-2004, 03:29
I'm running Fedora Core 2 on this laptop and have Core 3 on one of the machines upstairs. I have played around with almost all the distros available but always came back to RedHat, now Fedora.

I have another machine that I'm going to turn on the SE portions of it and see how that works. It sounds reasonable, but I wonder if it will be the pain that is DII-COE Solaris.

DanH

CranialCrusader
12-08-2004, 08:34
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Mandrake is the best one to start...Get the 10.1 Official version.

I already downloaded 10.1, all 2 GB worth, but I'm still thinking about using Fedora instead. Can anyone give me pros/cons of each system?

Thanks,
CranialCrusader

HerrGlock
12-08-2004, 08:53
Originally posted by CranialCrusader
Can anyone give me pros/cons of each system?

My "Pros" may be your "Cons" and the other way around. Install them both and see which one makes more sense to you. Mandrake and Fedora are two of the better supported (both by newsgroups and by the companies) out there so either is pretty good.

From my point of view, Mandrake tends to have bleeding edge stuff that occasionally (rarely) breaks and Fedora is slightly slower in updating but the stuff works when installed.

Both will install almost ignorably boringly into just about any system. That's come a bazillion miles since the .99 kernel I started with ;f

Seriously, install them both, spend an evening with each, and see which makes sense to you. One will edge out the other.

DanH

Washington,D.C.
12-08-2004, 09:00
I've had more hardware compatibilty issues with Fedora.CD1 of Mandrake is also a very good rescue disk that can even reinstall the Windows bootloadsr.I'll post the links for the Mandrake extras in a few minutes.

Washington,D.C.
12-08-2004, 09:03
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=159330

http://www.nutz.ch/content/texts/os/mdk10.php

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/162581

http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/soft/perl-URPM/


http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/eggnbacon/docs/mdk_urpmi.html
http://lea-linux.org/software/rpm.html

http://www.mandrakehelp.com/RPM-HOWTO.html
http://urpmi.org/

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/UrpmiResources

http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=383
http://rpm.nyvalls.se/

http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/

http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/install101.html

http://mandrakeusers.org/index.php?showtopic=17344

http://www.mandrakehelp.com/RPM-HOWTO.html

http://phantom.byu.edu/pipermail/newbies/2003-July/000508.html

http://www.freeos.com/articles/3102
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5456

http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/linux/

ftp://ftp.easynet.fr/plf/mandrake/10.1/i586/

http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi#Getting_list_of_deps_before_inst

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/UrpmiResources

http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/walter/geek/rpm-howto.html

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/UrpmiResources

HerrGlock
12-08-2004, 09:34
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
I've had more hardware compatibilty issues with Fedora.

That is not surprising. Core 1 kinda sucked. Core 2 was back to what I'm used to, install and go. I haven't done Core 3 yet.

Sinister Angel
12-08-2004, 09:40
I've never been able to get along with redhat for whatever reason, so I've always used Mandrake.

Washington,D.C.
12-08-2004, 09:52
FTOSX is based on Fedora.The 2004 version is based on Core 2 but is updated to where the packages are about as new as Core 3.It's really slick and made for non-Linux people.I started with Red Hat 6.something.I didn't have the internet back then.I think the internet had just gone public.I later got free dial up service.It was unlimited but that didn't last long so I got DSL as soon as it was available.I figured it would cost me just as much for a second phone line and that wouldn't be broadband.Later the DSL got faster and cheaper.The phone bill and DSL cost me about $100 a month now.That's not too bad.Cable and satelite TV aren't required here in the city so I don't have that expense.

St1650
12-08-2004, 10:56
IMO, any RPM-based Linux distro kinda sucks.

If you want 'real' linux experience I would either suggest you to try Debian/Debian-based distro (like Ubuntu,Knoppix) *OR* Slackware 10 *OR* Gentoo.

Take the time to read about the Linux kernel, gcc, etc.
Learn to compile your kernel, compile your softwares, etc; You'll get an extremly performant machine customized for you need.


Read this for getting started with Slackware: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=174447

Gentoo is still the best but isnt recommanded for newbies.
Knoppix should be the easiest to setup/install.
Slackware is the best to learn.

eljefe6
12-08-2004, 12:04
IHMO, Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/) is the easiest distro that I have used. Any extra software can be installed from APT.

If you don't like Ubuntu, I would recommend Mandrake. Their 10.1 Official just came out. The company is financially stable and will keep coming out with newer versions (for free as in beer).

Washington,D.C.
12-08-2004, 12:19
I tried Ubuntu.It wouldn't install on one PC I have.It also doesn't include much software and if you are new to Linux you likely wouldn't know what to apt-get.For Debian,Mepis is easy and full of needed software.For Slackware,Vector 5.0 SOHO or Buffalo 1.5.1 has easier installers than Slackware.Vector seems to work better than Buffalo even though the Buffalo installer is based on Vector.Gentoo is a real pain to install if you don't know Linux.I have Knoppix installed but the latest version has sound problems.Suse really seems to have things togerther.Along with the online resources and the free version of Mandrake 10.1 you should be able to get a good Mandrake system working.

eljefe6
12-08-2004, 12:31
They use Synaptic for apt. To find software, you just have to do a search of their database for keyword(s).

Washington,D.C.
12-08-2004, 12:39
You would still have to know the name of the packages and what they did.Mandrake lists the software and describes each package.It's a good choice to start.

CranialCrusader
12-08-2004, 13:50
It looks like Mandrake is a good place to start then. In the future I can branch out and try other things, or not.

I knew one Linux user that seemed to install a new flavor every week, he spent more time getting his computer to work than his computer worked for him.

I'd rather have my computer be a tool that works than a testbed of random stuff I always have to fix. Although I understand people do enjoy that sort of thing as a hobby.

CranialCrusader