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Hando
12-13-2004, 17:36
I want to get a 19" monitor for Christmas and was wondering, is it true that 25ms response time is not enough to play games (shooters)?

Do you know of a brand that makes 19" LCDs with lower response time, 12ms, maybe?

grantglock
12-13-2004, 19:11
hold on, i think you are confused here. response time refers to the lag on your internet connection. I have never heard of a response time on a monitor, frames per second on video cards maybe but not 25 ms response time.

g29andy
12-13-2004, 19:30
Viewsonic makes some nice LCD's with 16ms response times. You may see some ghosting with 25ms.

Tvov
12-13-2004, 19:48
?? I'm confused. I've never heard of this (not that I am anyone special!). I have a Gateway FPD1730 17" LCD, and previously a Gateway 17" CRT monitor. As far as I can tell, I've never had any problems with either of them, and can't tell a difference in "response times" between them. I play fps games a lot, both single player and online.

So...Can you explain more what you are talking about?

Hando
12-13-2004, 20:11
Originally posted by Tvov
?? I'm confused. I've never heard of this (not that I am anyone special!). I have a Gateway FPD1730 17" LCD, and previously a Gateway 17" CRT monitor. As far as I can tell, I've never had any problems with either of them, and can't tell a difference in "response times" between them. I play fps games a lot, both single player and online.

So...Can you explain more what you are talking about?

wish i could help but i just learned about it today. all i know is that most 19" have 25ms response time and the guy at bestbuy said it is not fast enough for games. he recommended 12ms, which most 17" can do.

BTW seems dell has some 19" with better than 25ms response time

Washington,D.C.
12-13-2004, 23:06
I don't play games and I don't have a LCD monitor but I see some HDTV's have DVI and maybe VGA input.Now that might be interesting for playing games on a big screen.

Hando
12-13-2004, 23:27
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
I don't play games and I don't have a LCD monitor but I see some HDTV's have DVI and maybe VGA input.Now that might be interesting for playing games on a big screen.

yeah, or post on glocktalk from a hdtv :)

NetNinja
12-13-2004, 23:37
This has to be one of the best LCD monitors on the planet.

And it's 6 years old!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29502&item=5147667877&rd=1

The bad thing is you have to buy a multilink adpator due to the fact that SGI wanted to corner the market on thier propritary SGI connector.

troyboy30
12-14-2004, 08:02
go with the 20.1 inch dell. works great with all games from doom3 to HL2

grantglock
12-14-2004, 08:28
The reason I have never heard of that is because it was only an issue on really old LCD montiors.

Specks
12-15-2004, 14:07
I recently researched LCD monitors when I built my new system. I originally planned on getting a 19 inch monitor, but I found that most didn't have higher resolutions than the 17 incher's. Plus most 17's had better contrast and faster response times, and were cheaper. I'm perfectly happy with the 17" display I got. If your really serious about gaming, you want a low response time, somewhere around 12-14 ms.

DonL
12-16-2004, 03:50
PCWorld just rated a ViewSonic 19in LCD #1....12ms response time and first 19in to rate outstanding in both text and graphics.......$600

Hando
12-17-2004, 09:44
Originally posted by DonL
PCWorld just rated a ViewSonic 19in LCD #1....12ms response time and first 19in to rate outstanding in both text and graphics.......$600

is this the one your are talking about?
Viewsonic (http://viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/proseries/vp912b/)

where can i find it for $600?

Washington,D.C.
12-17-2004, 14:40
http://www.compusa.com/products/products.asp?N=200049+401378+502398&Ne=502396

Washington,D.C.
12-17-2004, 14:48
http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=558608&location_info=SG_3_DV_17_SC_1703028_SK_558608 and http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=400834&location_info=SG_3_DV_17_SC_1703028_SK_400834 and http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=483064&location_info=SG_3_DV_17_SC_1703028_SK_483064 and http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=708864&location_info=SG_3_DV_17_SC_1703028_SK_708864 and http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=708888&location_info=SG_3_DV_17_SC_1703028_SK_708888

Washington,D.C.
12-17-2004, 14:50
I think this is the one http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,118694,00.asp

Washington,D.C.
12-17-2004, 14:53
Here it is http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-116-338&depa=1

Washington,D.C.
12-17-2004, 14:55
The Sony HS94P is suppose to have simylar quality.

gamegod86
12-17-2004, 17:15
I am very happy with the LG L1920P.


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podwich
12-17-2004, 23:25
Response time=time required to change a pixel.

Tvov
12-18-2004, 10:29
So... what does the "ms" stand for? As in, 12ms?

"milli second", possibly?

podwich
12-19-2004, 06:23
Originally posted by Tvov
So... what does the "ms" stand for? As in, 12ms?

"milli second", possibly?

Correct. Millisecond=1/1000 second. So 12ms= 12/1000 second.

podwich
12-19-2004, 06:27
Another thing to think about: say you're playing a video game at 60 fps (frames per second). That's a frame every 16.7 ms. If you have a LCD monitor with a pixel response time of 25 ms, you can see you're going to have problems. If you have a response time of 12 ms, each pixel will be able to update before the next signal.

Cinic
12-20-2004, 08:12
I did some reading about response rates when I was buying my first LCD display. The posted response times are to change the pixels from black to white plus the time from white to black. This has nothing to do with changing the pixels from one color to another.

This article has some good, although fairly technical explanations of this. I think there are about 4 or 5 pages that talk about this subject.

Link (http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20031105/lcd-04.html)

In the end, you really should personally look at the panel before you buy or rely on some user reviews. Buying simply on response times isn't always the best idea.

Good luck in your hunt.

_John

Editied to fix link...

podwich
12-20-2004, 19:22
There are no white or black pixels-in general, you have RGB displays. I guess you could say something about all on vs. all off but I doubt there's really much of a difference in time when you're just varying light intensity.

Me&MyG23
12-21-2004, 09:07
I picked this NEC up from CC about a year ago. It's a 17" LCD. I compared it to everything that they had, did some research and read alot of reviews. For the price, it was second to none at that time. Well worth the money! I have had no issues whatsoever with it and I play a few games that are pretty graphic intensive. Anyway, good luck if you decide to get one!

Here is the one that I have.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000083K9E/ref%3Dpd%5Fsl%5Faw%5Falx-jeb-7-1%5Fce%5F2184995%5F2/102-0459986-2545746

Cinic
12-21-2004, 09:16
Originally posted by podwich
There are no white or black pixels-in general, you have RGB displays. I guess you could say something about all on vs. all off but I doubt there's really much of a difference in time when you're just varying light intensity.

That was kinda my point. They base the response times on going from black to white plus white to black which doesn't mean much in the real world. But the times can significanly vary from color to color. Read that article, it's fairly interesting.

All I'm saying is don't base your purchase solely on the response times.

podwich
12-22-2004, 03:52
Originally posted by Cinic
That was kinda my point. They base the response times on going from black to white plus white to black which doesn't mean much in the real world. But the times can significanly vary from color to color. Read that article, it's fairly interesting.

All I'm saying is don't base your purchase solely on the response times.

Do you have a different link? That one's dead.

Cinic
12-22-2004, 07:50
Originally posted by podwich
Do you have a different link? That one's dead.

Sorry about that...

Try this one: Link (http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20031105/lcd-03.html)

Here's the beginning of the article: Link to beginning (http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20031105/index.html)

There are some other links within the article.

One example in there is a panel that was 17 ms from white to black, but 54 ms from white to gray.