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norton
01-22-2005, 08:19
Since we have probably listed the best bikes of all time, I think its time for a list of the worst you have ridden/owned.
My personal worst was a homemade "Chopper" my B.I.L. owned. It was based on a Honda 305 twin, with extended front end, 15" ape hanger bars, and the worlds tallest and ugliest sissy bar. It had no front brakes, and was constantly trying to fall over on its own.
Wish I had a photo of it. Good for a few laughs.

epsylum
01-22-2005, 12:53
How about any streetbike with three wheels. For those who own a trike. This is NOT a motorcycle. If all you want is wind in your hair, get a convertible. It'll probably be cheaper.

45acp4me
01-22-2005, 13:25
Originally posted by epsylum
How about any streetbike with three wheels. For those who own a trike. This is NOT a motorcycle. If all you want is wind in your hair, get a convertible. It'll probably be cheaper.

And corner better, cheaper to maintain, look better, etc. I hate getting behind some old guy on a trike when I'm going down a curvy road on the bike or in my convertible, every one has been a rolling road block.

Regards,
Glen

Texas T
01-22-2005, 19:00
Originally posted by epsylum
How about any streetbike with three wheels. For those who own a trike. This is NOT a motorcycle. If all you want is wind in your hair, get a convertible. It'll probably be cheaper. That's a pretty cold statement. I'd wager that a large number of trike riders have been riding longer than you've been alive, but due to injury or age they aren't able to swing a leg over any longer. This is a way that they can maintain doing what they've been doing for years. Why would you choose to deprive them of that?

epsylum
01-23-2005, 00:15
Originally posted by Texas T
That's a pretty cold statement. I'd wager that a large number of trike riders have been riding longer than you've been alive, but due to injury or age they aren't able to swing a leg over any longer. This is a way that they can maintain doing what they've been doing for years. Why would you choose to deprive them of that?

I know from personal experience ALOT of trike riders are not physically challenged. Some are, but alot are people who are just too lazy to actually buy a bike and ride it. They want some sort of road-legal La-Z-Boy. That is why %90 of them are freaking gold wings. They want to feel like they are part of the motorcycling crowd without actually riding a bike. A trike has a huge stability problem (since a triangle is not very stable, laterally). They are pretty physical to ride, since you now have to force the bars to turn and shift your weight to keep from tipping (kind of like riding a quad or 3-wheeler, both are very physical to ride). If they can do all that, I think they should be able to ride a real bike. I have met people with missing hands and arms that still ride street bikes (the missing hand guy rides an R1 with his prosthetic for crying out loud).

If I was injured to the point of not being able to ride a bike or my quad. I would give up on the sport and find something new I can actually enjoy. Putting around on a trike is not my idea of fun.

If they are injured and that is the only way they can enjoy motorcycling, sure. Have at it. But I have seen ALOT of trikes lately and most of the people getting off are walking around just fine. I personally would still have more fun in a Miata than some over-weight, slow, insanely over-priced, unstable, turd of a wanna-be bike. Hell I would bet dollars to doughnuts that a Miata could even out-run one.

45acp4me
01-23-2005, 11:26
Originally posted by Texas T
That's a pretty cold statement. I'd wager that a large number of trike riders have been riding longer than you've been alive, but due to injury or age they aren't able to swing a leg over any longer. This is a way that they can maintain doing what they've been doing for years. Why would you choose to deprive them of that?

Yes they should be deprived of their trike because they are poor handling, dangerous pieces of junk. You have to wrestle them in a turn, the old fart driving the thing has to slow to a crawl to make it. I've been behind guys that corner slower than my old work van, they could probably have been run down from behind by a semi truck on a right hand turn. I can't even imagine what one is like to ride in the rain if they are that ****ty on dry pavement.

Notice how they stopped making three wheel ATVs? If they are that bad, then why make a road legal one?

Regards,
Glen

the-fixer
01-23-2005, 11:38
For what it's worth... two bikes that I've personally ridden and while maybe not worst at least qualify as difficult:

1980 Yamaha 500 single. Fun in town but turns your back into mush with highway vibration.

1978 (79?) Suzuki Rotary engine. Poor puppy ran so hot in Reno that you just learned to ignore the temp gauge and pray that your legs wouldn't cook too badly.

norton
01-23-2005, 19:28
Originally posted by the-fixer
For what it's worth... two bikes that I've personally ridden and while maybe not worst at least qualify as difficult:

1980 Yamaha 500 single. Fun in town but turns your back into mush with highway vibration.

1978 (79?) Suzuki Rotary engine. Poor puppy ran so hot in Reno that you just learned to ignore the temp gauge and pray that your legs wouldn't cook too badly.

Fixer,
I owned the SRX 600 Yamaha single. It only came to the U.S. for one year (1986 I believe). I actually loved that bike, the only problem was it was easy to start hot or cold but if it was just warm and died (which is seemed to do at stop lights) it was a pig to refire. Kicker only.

And the rotary. Never owned or rode one, but I guess you could say it was the answer to a question no one asked.

epsylum
01-23-2005, 20:01
Originally posted by norton

And the rotary. Never owned or rode one, but I guess you could say it was the answer to a question no one asked.

It was the late 70s/ early 80s and the rotary was anew fangled idea. It was supposed to have replaced all piston engines by now. All the buzz about the RX-7 and such, so they started trying to make it work in other vehicles. Obviously it wasn't as revolutionary as they would have made you think.

Rotaries are nice and all, but if want 2-stroke like power, I will take the 2-stroke. It is even LESS complicated than the rotary.

the-fixer
01-24-2005, 08:15
Since you mentioned two-strokes.

I rode a friends Kawasaki two-stroke 500, around '77. The Mach I? O MY GOD! That thing would cruise along like a regular bike, hit its powerband and proceed to scare the life out of me.

Yep, it was too fast, handle too poorly and I loved that bike.

epsylum
01-24-2005, 14:48
Originally posted by the-fixer
Since you mentioned two-strokes.

I rode a friends Kawasaki two-stroke 500, around '77. The Mach I? O MY GOD! That thing would cruise along like a regular bike, hit its powerband and proceed to scare the life out of me.

Yep, it was too fast, handle too poorly and I loved that bike.

Yeah that's what I hear about the old kawi triples. Now imagine the 750cc version.

norton
01-24-2005, 18:06
Originally posted by epsylum
Yeah that's what I hear about the old kawi triples. Now imagine the 750cc version.

My B.I.L. owned 2 of the 750 triples. It was a snotty beast. I rode it several times, and it seemed amazingly fast and almost uncontrolable.
But, compared to the new iron available today, it probably wasn't really that fast.
My favorite ring ding of all time was the RZ 350. My B.I.L. owned one of the Kenny Roberts signature models. It was a hoot to ride.
The R.D. 350 (air cooled) was a great wheelie machine. I owned a 1973. It fouled plugs on a regular basis, but it was stupidly easy to bring the front wheel up on this lightweight Yamaha

epsylum
01-24-2005, 21:54
Originally posted by norton
My B.I.L. owned 2 of the 750 triples. It was a snotty beast. I rode it several times, and it seemed amazingly fast and almost uncontrolable.
But, compared to the new iron available today, it probably wasn't really that fast.
My favorite ring ding of all time was the RZ 350. My B.I.L. owned one of the Kenny Roberts signature models. It was a hoot to ride.
The R.D. 350 (air cooled) was a great wheelie machine. I owned a 1973. It fouled plugs on a regular basis, but it was stupidly easy to bring the front wheel up on this lightweight Yamaha

My brother has an RD350 enigne in his garage. He use to have the whole bike, but it was soooo beat up it wasn't worth trying to bring it back. So he kept the motor (since it is so stupid simple to make into runnig condition). He has planned on using it as powerplant for a lot of projects that hasn't happened yet. First he was going to put in a beat up Warrior quad chassis for a budget banshee, but sold the chassis. Then he wanted it in a go-kart (not a cheesy one, but like a used shifter cart). Now it just sits there in his garage until he can actually do something with it.

There is a lot of power hidden in those things (it's essentially an air-cooled banshee/RZ engine). I have seen one guy get about 60hp (about 171 hp/l)out of it on his track bike.

Rinspeed
01-25-2005, 13:34
Originally posted by epsylum
My brother has an RD350 enigne in his garage. He use to have the whole bike, but it was soooo beat up it wasn't worth trying to bring it back. So he kept the motor (since it is so stupid simple to make into runnig condition). He has planned on using it as powerplant for a lot of projects that hasn't happened yet. First he was going to put in a beat up Warrior quad chassis for a budget banshee, but sold the chassis. Then he wanted it in a go-kart (not a cheesy one, but like a used shifter cart). Now it just sits there in his garage until he can actually do something with it.

There is a lot of power hidden in those things (it's essentially an air-cooled banshee/RZ engine). I have seen one guy get about 60hp (about 171 hp/l)out of it on his track bike.


I have a very good condition '75 RD350 in my basement. 2730 miles with the original tires and battery. Can't figure out what I want to do with it. Probably just hold onto it, I've only ridden it twice and it is fun.

Rinspeed

Catbird
01-25-2005, 13:46
The Enfield. All of the ones on the showroom floor had metal pans under them to catch the oil drippings. ;T

RugerFan58
01-25-2005, 13:52
Originally posted by norton
My B.I.L. owned 2 of the 750 triples. It was a snotty beast. I rode it several times, and it seemed amazingly fast and almost uncontrolable.
But, compared to the new iron available today, it probably wasn't really that fast.
My favorite ring ding of all time was the RZ 350. My B.I.L. owned one of the Kenny Roberts signature models. It was a hoot to ride.
The R.D. 350 (air cooled) was a great wheelie machine. I owned a 1973. It fouled plugs on a regular basis, but it was stupidly easy to bring the front wheel up on this lightweight Yamaha I owned a Kawasaki 750 triple and the Yamaha RD 350 and RD400. The 750 was widely called "The Flexible Flyer" and the RD350 was called "The Giant Killer" when it first came out. The 750 could do wheelies with just a flick of the wrist but was useless in the corners. I had a few tank slappers at high speed with mine. Like you say the older bikes seem slow compared to the newer ones. My old Yamaha XS1100 with a Wisco Big Bore Kit[1196]and 33MM smooth bores got passed by a box stock Yamaha 400-4 one day. That 400 was fast but I did get 89,000 out of my XS1100 before I sold it. It still ran and fired up without a complaint.

TreeTrooper
01-25-2005, 14:50
My Sportster (883) was a real turd, and my Low Rider was an even bigger, more expensive turd.

norton
01-26-2005, 06:23
Originally posted by Catbird
The Enfield. All of the ones on the showroom floor had metal pans under them to catch the oil drippings. ;T

You know why the British never made television sets?














Engineers couldn't figure out a way to make them leak oil

epsylum
01-26-2005, 18:26
Originally posted by norton
You know why the British never made television sets?














Engineers couldn't figure out a way to make them leak oil

I thought it was because thier engineers were too busy putting the worst electronics known to man in Jaguars.;f

Rinspeed
01-26-2005, 18:54
Originally posted by epsylum
I thought it was because thier engineers were too busy putting the worst electronics known to man in Jaguars.;f


What are you talking about? Juguars have great electronics....










As long as it doesn't rain.

Catbird
01-26-2005, 19:14
I said:
The Enfield. All of the ones on the showroom floor had metal pans under them to catch the oil drippings.
I remember, a few years ago, stopping by an Enfield dealer while out riding my BMW R1100RTL just out of curiosity because I like bikes. I was talking to the manager and asking questions about the Enfield and its history, etc. I finally got around to asking him to demonstrate how that odd little lever (spark advance/retard) on the handlebar worked. To make a long story short...he tried and tried to get that thing started -- he's probably still trying. ^8

norton
01-26-2005, 20:35
Originally posted by Catbird
I said:

I remember, a few years ago, stopping by an Enfield dealer while out riding my BMW R1100RTL just out of curiosity because I like bikes. I was talking to the manager and asking questions about the Enfield and its history, etc. I finally got around to asking him to demonstrate how that odd little lever (spark advance/retard) on the handlebar worked. To make a long story short...he tried and tried to get that thing started -- he's probably still trying. ^8

I had forgotten-Enfield bikes are now made in India, aren't they?
The original Enfields came from the U.K.
All of the U.K. bikes from the 50's up through the 80's had oil leak problems. They also had crappy electrical systems. They did have very nice chrome (at least the Triumph's did). And fwiw, The tear drop gas tank on the Triumph Bonneville was a work of art.
I oughta know. I owned a
1978 Triumph Bonneville
1967 BSA Lighting
And I still have a 1973 850 Norton Commando sitting in my garage. Its not leaking oil right now, cause the oil in the bottom end is as thick as molasses.

Rexzilla
01-27-2005, 21:23
My first bike was a Bridgestone 90 when I was 15 back in the day. It leaked oil and was almost imposible to start. I built some nice calf muscles on that thing. The top speed was about 42 mph with a wind behind me. My idiot brother decided to make a dirt bike out of it, chopping the fenders and installing knobby tires. It did not last long as a dirt bike since it had a pressed steel frame. The thing eventually split in two.
There are many bikes that I just hated in the looks department. The old Suzuki 500cc with the ram air injection were awful and slugs. I had a friend who had one. I just hated the sight of it.
The Kaw 2 strokes actually were nice bikes in the looks department but the suspension was extremely primitive with the horsepower they could put out.
I loved the looks of the old BSA and Triumphs, but hated the oil stains they left in everyone's driveway. You always knew that there was an english bike in the neighborhood...lol!
I hated the chop jobs ppl did on bikes in the eighties. These homegrown customs were just dangerous. Many a person got impaled on the "swank" sissy bar they put on their bike.
The seats back then on bikes were killers from the factory. You would have a set of bruised balls until the seat wore in or wore you in.

fastvfr
01-28-2005, 00:11
Well, Hardley's try at a ricebike has got to be right up there...
http://allpar.chooseyouritem.com/motorcycles/photos/66500/66643.1996.Buell.Lightning.S1.jpg

See those mostly-heat-shieldless pipes there? Now you know where the term Buell Leg Syndrome came from...

They are sort of fast, and sort of maneuverable...but in the end any Ninja or CBR over 600cc will make a Buell and its rider look ridiculous.

Bullwinkle J Moose
01-29-2005, 10:41
Originally posted by epsylum
Yeah that's what I hear about the old kawi triples. Now imagine the 750cc version.
I won a new 3 cyl 2 stroke 75 Suzuki 750 Water Buffalo in a raffle. It was my first bike. It would fly. The folks from the bike club I won it from said it was THE fastest stock bike around. I have no reason to doubt them.;f

RugerFan58
01-29-2005, 14:41
Originally posted by Bullwinkle J Moose
I won a new 3 cyl 2 stroke 75 Suzuki 750 Water Buffalo in a raffle. It was my first bike. It would fly. The folks from the bike club I won it from said it was THE fastest stock bike around. I have no reason to doubt them.;f Ron Pierce of Boston Cycles used to sell high preformance kits for those bikes. He was a Suzuki factory rider in the 70's. Also in the 70's Suzuki made a rotary engine street bike. Remember those?? Bet they'd be worth some money today.;c

gixxer11
02-08-2005, 21:05
Originally posted by RugerFan58
Also in the 70's Suzuki made a rotary engine street bike. Remember those?? Bet they'd be worth some money today.;c
The glorious RE5. I'd pay $100K for one right now.;g